History DethroningMoment / ProfessionalWrestling

9th Nov '16 10:50:20 AM dlchen145
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* Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: For me, it was the push to the moon of [[Wrestling/FergalDevitt Finn Bálor]] following his official main roster debut in August 2016. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the man himself. I think Finn is one of the best athletes in the company as a whole, and definitely deserves to be at the top of the card for at least some of his career. What I don't get is how WWE screwed up such an easy angle to run. You'd think a likeable, charismatic guy like Finn would get the crowd on his side pretty easily after a few weeks and then get a push, right? Nope, WWE hotshotted him to winning their brand-new Universal Championship (still one of the worst names and belt designs I've ever seen, btw), right out of the gate when most of the casual fans were still scratching their heads over who exactly he was, or just cheering him because he wasn't Wrestling/RomanReigns. It doesn't help matters how management made Wrestling/SethRollins, his opponent, play the same cowardly chickenshit heel character the fans were tired of seeing against him, and how Finn continually made him look like a chump, and Finn saying he "earned" the opportunity when people like Wrestling/SamiZayn have been toiling in the lower midcard for more than a year is more than laughable. The "Demon King" was intimidating on NXT, but just plain cheesy on the main roster, and I feel like the "feud" was less of that and more of Vince or someone in management trying to throw the smarks a bone after realizing that they buy most of the merchandise nowadays, disregarding the fact that a bland, flat character pushed to the moon is exactly what the smarks don't want to see once the novelty wears off. Wrestling/{{WWENXT}}, while great, has one major flaw as seen in this case: it allows wrestlers to coast on their independent reputation with the smarky crowd and doesn't develop characters in many occurrences. In a strange way, Finn's injury may have helped out all the parties more in the long run: it created a comeback narrative that most fans can get behind for the man himself, allowed Rollins to finally complete his turn into the {{Badass}} AntiHero we all wanted to see, and gave a title reign to [[spoiler:[[Wrestling/KevinSteen Kevin Owens]]]], one of the arguably most deserving men on the roster.

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* Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: For me, it was the push to the moon of [[Wrestling/FergalDevitt Finn Bálor]] following his official main roster debut in August 2016. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the man himself. I think Finn is one of the best athletes in the company as a whole, and definitely deserves to be at the top of the card for at least some of his career. What I don't get is how WWE screwed up such an easy angle to run. You'd think a likeable, charismatic guy like Finn would get the crowd on his side pretty easily after a few weeks and then get a push, right? Nope, WWE hotshotted him to winning their brand-new Universal Championship (still one of the worst names and belt designs I've ever seen, btw), right out of the gate when most of the casual fans were still scratching their heads over who exactly he was, or just cheering him because he wasn't Wrestling/RomanReigns. It doesn't help matters how management made Wrestling/SethRollins, his opponent, play the same cowardly chickenshit heel character the fans were tired of seeing against him, and how Finn continually made him look like a chump, and Finn saying he "earned" the opportunity when people like Wrestling/SamiZayn have been toiling in the lower midcard for more than a year is more than laughable. The "Demon King" was intimidating on NXT, but just plain cheesy on the main roster, and I feel like the "feud" was less of that and more of Vince or someone in management trying to throw the smarks a bone after realizing that they buy most of the merchandise nowadays, disregarding the fact that a bland, flat character pushed to the moon is exactly what the smarks don't want to see once the novelty wears off. Wrestling/{{WWENXT}}, while great, has one major flaw as seen in this case: it allows wrestlers to coast on their independent reputation with the smarky crowd and doesn't develop characters in many occurrences. In a strange way, Finn's injury may have helped out all the parties more in the long run: it created a comeback narrative that most fans can get behind for the man himself, allowed Rollins to finally complete his turn into the {{Badass}} badass AntiHero we all wanted to see, and gave a title reign to [[spoiler:[[Wrestling/KevinSteen Kevin Owens]]]], one of the arguably most deserving men on the roster.
15th Oct '16 7:49:11 AM chucknormie
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** Tropers/DrZulu2010: I removed my original entry because, speaking of Undertaker vs Shane O' Mac, in the end, the Hell In A Cell match between them was that because of how moot the whole thing was. Shane, despite losing, still has control of Raw and the Undertaker may have wrestled his final match (or at least, his final non-wrestlemania match) while giving Shane a proverbial slap on the wrist. For something like that to happen on Wrestlemania, which is supposed to be similar to a season finale was a good sign of Vince's lack of long-term thinking.

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** * Tropers/DrZulu2010: I removed my original entry because, speaking of Undertaker vs Shane O' Mac, in the end, the Hell In A Cell match between them was that because of how moot the whole thing was. Shane, despite losing, still has control of Raw and the Undertaker may have wrestled his final match (or at least, his final non-wrestlemania match) while giving Shane a proverbial slap on the wrist. For something like that to happen on Wrestlemania, which is supposed to be similar to a season finale was a good sign of Vince's lack of long-term thinking.
* Tropers/{{chucknormie}}: For me, it was the push to the moon of [[Wrestling/FergalDevitt Finn Bálor]] following his official main roster debut in August 2016. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the man himself. I think Finn is one of the best athletes in the company as a whole, and definitely deserves to be at the top of the card for at least some of his career. What I don't get is how WWE screwed up such an easy angle to run. You'd think a likeable, charismatic guy like Finn would get the crowd on his side pretty easily after a few weeks and then get a push, right? Nope, WWE hotshotted him to winning their brand-new Universal Championship (still one of the worst names and belt designs I've ever seen, btw), right out of the gate when most of the casual fans were still scratching their heads over who exactly he was, or just cheering him because he wasn't Wrestling/RomanReigns. It doesn't help matters how management made Wrestling/SethRollins, his opponent, play the same cowardly chickenshit heel character the fans were tired of seeing against him, and how Finn continually made him look like a chump, and Finn saying he "earned" the opportunity when people like Wrestling/SamiZayn have been toiling in the lower midcard for more than a year is more than laughable. The "Demon King" was intimidating on NXT, but just plain cheesy on the main roster, and I feel like the "feud" was less of that and more of Vince or someone in management trying to throw the smarks a bone after realizing that they buy most of the merchandise nowadays, disregarding the fact that a bland, flat character pushed to the moon is exactly what the smarks don't want to see once the novelty wears off. Wrestling/{{WWENXT}}, while great, has one major flaw as seen in this case: it allows wrestlers to coast on their independent reputation with the smarky crowd and doesn't develop characters in many occurrences. In a strange way, Finn's injury may have helped out all the parties more in the long run: it created a comeback narrative that most fans can get behind for the man himself, allowed Rollins to finally complete his turn into the {{Badass}} AntiHero we all wanted to see, and gave a title reign to [[spoiler:[[Wrestling/KevinSteen Kevin Owens]]]], one of the arguably most deserving men on the roster.
24th Jul '16 11:06:30 AM nombretomado
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* SNL95: To put how little the WCW title meant after these aforementioned incidents; after Wrestling/{{Goldberg}} lost the title it changed hands 32 TIMES in two years with the longest reign being 3 months. Some title reigns didn't even last a week and David Arquette and VinceRusso were among the champions. Hell ChrisBenoit willingly giving up the title is a testament to how meaningless the title had become under VinceRusso's booking.

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* SNL95: To put how little the WCW title meant after these aforementioned incidents; after Wrestling/{{Goldberg}} lost the title it changed hands 32 TIMES in two years with the longest reign being 3 months. Some title reigns didn't even last a week and David Arquette and VinceRusso were among the champions. Hell ChrisBenoit Hell, Wrestling/ChrisBenoit willingly giving up the title is a testament to how meaningless the title had become under VinceRusso's booking.
10th Jul '16 11:25:20 AM KingLyger
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* [=KingLyger=]: "Hardy vs. Hardy: The Final Deletion" has been said to be SoBadItsGood by half of the people who watch it, and SoBadItsHorrible by the other half. This troper personally feels the latter category is more justified. Beyond just using Wrestling/JeffHardy and Wrestling/MattHardy to recreate spots that were way past their prime, the editing was so bad that it was impossible to follow along. The SpecialEffectsFailure of using holograms from drones just looked flat-out ridiculous, even by the standards of professional wrestling. There are so many {{Ass Pull}}s, {{Shocking Swerve}}s, and random costume changes that the match simply had no basis in reality anymore. The flat-out {{Narm}} of lines like "it's a dilapidated boat!" killed the credibility even further. Also, as CrazyAwesome as Matt Hardy's character is supposed to be, his constant bleating of "Brother Nero!" quickly became the MostAnnoyingSound of the whole video. Finally, the audio quality was just terrible, with noticeable popping and scratching every time either wrestler hits the mat. It's already being called "''Film/TheRoom'' of pro wrestling matches," and it's not hard to see why. It has this troper convinced that TNA won't live to see 2017.
24th Jun '16 4:31:51 AM DrZulu2010
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* Tropers/DrZulu2010: Backlash 2006. Wrestling/VinceMcMahon vs God. Yes. ''the'' god. To put it lightly, this was in the time where Shawn Michaels became a born-again christian. So, in response to that, Mr. [=McMahon=] has booked a fight with Shawn Michaels to question his faith. This results into a Tag Team between Vince and his son Shane against Shawn Michaels and God at Backlash. The results are embarrasing; with a dance-off between Vince and God (who is shown as a freaking ''spotlight'') and the fight who ends with [=McMahon=] beating Shawn Michaels and, therefore, God himself. J.R. saying "That's bullshit" himself pretty much sums up the reaction of the audience and viewers who has to watch this shameful ego-trip.


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** Tropers/DrZulu2010: I removed my original entry because, speaking of Undertaker vs Shane O' Mac, in the end, the Hell In A Cell match between them was that because of how moot the whole thing was. Shane, despite losing, still has control of Raw and the Undertaker may have wrestled his final match (or at least, his final non-wrestlemania match) while giving Shane a proverbial slap on the wrist. For something like that to happen on Wrestlemania, which is supposed to be similar to a season finale was a good sign of Vince's lack of long-term thinking.
15th Jun '16 8:30:20 AM Berrenta
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9th Jun '16 6:33:00 PM Berrenta
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[[caption-width-right:300:[[Wrestling/JohnCena THE CHAMP IS]]....[[FacePalm unable to comprehend these fails!]]]]While maybe professional {{Sports}} can't be used as a DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck, the fact that pro wrestling always has a predetermined outcome means it is also subject to the same moments of suck as its media cousins.

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[[caption-width-right:300:[[Wrestling/JohnCena THE CHAMP IS]]....[[FacePalm unable to comprehend these fails!]]]]While
While maybe professional {{Sports}} can't be used as a DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck, the fact that pro wrestling always has a predetermined outcome means it is also subject to the same moments of suck as its media cousins.
5th May '16 11:09:57 AM Peridonyx
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* clownishchimp: The whole Triple H as the COO angle. Before that the angle was about Wrestling/CMPunk shooting on Wrestling/VinceMcMahon and WWE, taking shots at their behind the scenes activities and their attempt at a PG public image. As a result Vince suspended him and decided to give someone else a shot at the title until John Cena confronted him and demanded that Punk get his shot or he would walk out. Vince agrees but says if [[YouHaveFailedMe Cena fails to beat Punk, he is fired]]. So Punk gets his shot, and despite Vince's attempts at another Wrestling/MontrealScrewjob, Punk wins and escapes with the title. At this point WWE is getting a ton of praise over the angle and people can't wait to see what happens next. The following night they hold a tournament to crown a new WWE Champion, while Cena is about to be fired by Vince, making people wonder if Vince would actually do it or not. Then the angle goes downhill when Triple H shows up completely out of the blue and announces that the Board of Directors has relieved Vince of his duties (even though VinceMcMahon is the majority owner of the company) and that he is the new COO. There's also the fact that this is VinceMcMahon the man whose been running WWE since the 80's and brought wrestling to the mainstream and boom periods such as the Rock N Wrestling and [[Wrestling/AttitudeEra Attitude Eras]], and who has played the BigBad of WWE programming since the MontrealScrewjob, and yet he's just kicked out of his own company out of nowhere and dropped and forgotten about like a bad date, just to stop him from firing Cena. It gets worse when Cena simply gets the title back the next week and Punk shows up right after he wins it. This has lead to an extremely confusing angle in which HHH and Punk are feuding, yet neither wants to do a FaceHeelTurn, making it hard for the fans to figure out who to root for. Then at Summerslam Punk beats Cena to be undisputed WWE champion, but is then attacked by Wrestling/KevinNash so that Wrestling/AlbertoDelRio, a heel whom WWE had pushed to the moon despite his lack of overness with the fans, can become the new champion. So Cena is now busy feuding with Del Rio for the title, while the angle turns into a three-way feud between Punk, HHH, and Nash(who is the one playing the heel), two of them being semi-retired from in-ring competition. There's a whole mystery over who sent the text to Nash, but he then reveals he sent it to himself, so HHH fires him. HHH and Punk finally face each other at Night of Champions, which has interference from TheMiz, [[Wrestling/RonKillings R-Truth]], and Nash, and HHH winds up winning the match, thus burying Punk. He then fires Miz and R-Truth and makes a Triple Threat match for HIAC between Punk, Cena (who beat Del Rio cleanly to win the title), and Del rio for the title. It ends with Del Rio winning the title despite just losing it weeks ago when Miz and R-Truth attack Punk. This incident leads to the entire roster becoming threatened by an "unsafe workplace"(yeah, they are afraid of the [[SmugSnake MIZ]] of all people), and pretty much everyone on the roster walks out since they do not have confidence in Triple H and want him to step down. Yes, almost the entire roster pulls a FaceHeelTurn because they do not support HHH, whom is being portrayed as the sympathetic face of the storyline. And there's no end in sight for this angle. To make things even worse, they are playing up [[YesMan John Laurinitis]] as the [[TheManBehindTheMan the person, or one of the people, behind the conspiracy]], meaning that potentially the angles payoff of this whole storyline is a semi-retired Wrestling/TripleH fighting one of his [[VinceMcMahon father-in-law's]] former stooges for control over WWE. Alternatively it could also lead to yet another feud between Wrestling/TripleH and his wife Wrestling/StephanieMcMahon for control over their father/father-in-law's company. What would make the latter potentially worse is that it may extend to Wrestlemania 28, in which the Wrestlemania ten years earlier saw the last feud between HHH and Stephanie, which was terrible and the match that the feud was building up to, HHH vs Wrestling/ChrisJericho, [[EpicFail somehow got to be the final match on the card over]] [[Wrestling/DwayneJohnson The Rock]] vs [[Wrestling/HulkHogan Hollywood Hulk Hogan]], one of the biggest matches of all time. And Wrestlemania 28 has Rock vs Cena as the schedule main event. [[FridgeHorror Which means WWE could be repeating history by booking HHH and Stephanie's marriage problems over one of the biggest, most anticiopate matches of all time.]] So basically it looks like this whole thing is just to make HHH [[CreatorsPet the center]] [[SpotlightStealingSquad of attention]] once again. And as big as this rant is, it still probably doesn't fully cover how bad this is, but I will leave that to anyone else who has something to say about it.

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* clownishchimp: The whole Triple H as the COO angle. Before that the angle was about Wrestling/CMPunk shooting on Wrestling/VinceMcMahon and WWE, taking shots at their behind the scenes activities and their attempt at a PG public image. As a result Vince suspended him and decided to give someone else a shot at the title until John Cena confronted him and demanded that Punk get his shot or he would walk out. Vince agrees but says if [[YouHaveFailedMe Cena fails to beat Punk, he is fired]]. So Punk gets his shot, and despite Vince's attempts at another Wrestling/MontrealScrewjob, Punk wins and escapes with the title. At this point WWE is getting a ton of praise over the angle and people can't wait to see what happens next. The following night they hold a tournament to crown a new WWE Champion, while Cena is about to be fired by Vince, making people wonder if Vince would actually do it or not. Then the angle goes downhill when Triple H shows up completely out of the blue and announces that the Board of Directors has relieved Vince of his duties (even though VinceMcMahon is the majority owner of the company) company [[note]]However, according to RealLife business laws, while the majority shareholder does get the final say most of the time, the Board and/or the other shareholders can still file a legal injunction against his actual voting power if they feel that his actions just endanger the overall company too much -- which was presumably what ({{Kayfabe}}) happened here.[[/note]]) and that he is the new COO. There's also the fact that this is VinceMcMahon the man whose been running WWE since the 80's and brought wrestling to the mainstream and boom periods such as the Rock N Wrestling and [[Wrestling/AttitudeEra Attitude Eras]], and who has played the BigBad of WWE programming since the MontrealScrewjob, and yet he's just kicked out of his own company out of nowhere and dropped and forgotten about like a bad date, just to stop him from firing Cena. It gets worse when Cena simply gets the title back the next week and Punk shows up right after he wins it. This has lead to an extremely confusing angle in which HHH and Punk are feuding, yet neither wants to do a FaceHeelTurn, making it hard for the fans to figure out who to root for. Then at Summerslam Punk beats Cena to be undisputed WWE champion, but is then attacked by Wrestling/KevinNash so that Wrestling/AlbertoDelRio, a heel whom WWE had pushed to the moon despite his lack of overness with the fans, can become the new champion. So Cena is now busy feuding with Del Rio for the title, while the angle turns into a three-way feud between Punk, HHH, and Nash(who is the one playing the heel), two of them being semi-retired from in-ring competition. There's a whole mystery over who sent the text to Nash, but he then reveals he sent it to himself, so HHH fires him. HHH and Punk finally face each other at Night of Champions, which has interference from TheMiz, [[Wrestling/RonKillings R-Truth]], and Nash, and HHH winds up winning the match, thus burying Punk. He then fires Miz and R-Truth and makes a Triple Threat match for HIAC between Punk, Cena (who beat Del Rio cleanly to win the title), and Del rio for the title. It ends with Del Rio winning the title despite just losing it weeks ago when Miz and R-Truth attack Punk. This incident leads to the entire roster becoming threatened by an "unsafe workplace"(yeah, they are afraid of the [[SmugSnake MIZ]] of all people), and pretty much everyone on the roster walks out since they do not have confidence in Triple H and want him to step down. Yes, almost the entire roster pulls a FaceHeelTurn because they do not support HHH, whom is being portrayed as the sympathetic face of the storyline. And there's no end in sight for this angle. To make things even worse, they are playing up [[YesMan John Laurinitis]] as the [[TheManBehindTheMan the person, or one of the people, behind the conspiracy]], meaning that potentially the angles payoff of this whole storyline is a semi-retired Wrestling/TripleH fighting one of his [[VinceMcMahon father-in-law's]] former stooges for control over WWE. Alternatively it could also lead to yet another feud between Wrestling/TripleH and his wife Wrestling/StephanieMcMahon for control over their father/father-in-law's company. What would make the latter potentially worse is that it may extend to Wrestlemania 28, in which the Wrestlemania ten years earlier saw the last feud between HHH and Stephanie, which was terrible and the match that the feud was building up to, HHH vs Wrestling/ChrisJericho, [[EpicFail somehow got to be the final match on the card over]] [[Wrestling/DwayneJohnson The Rock]] vs [[Wrestling/HulkHogan Hollywood Hulk Hogan]], one of the biggest matches of all time. And Wrestlemania 28 has Rock vs Cena as the schedule main event. [[FridgeHorror Which means WWE could be repeating history by booking HHH and Stephanie's marriage problems over one of the biggest, most anticiopate matches of all time.]] So basically it looks like this whole thing is just to make HHH [[CreatorsPet the center]] [[SpotlightStealingSquad of attention]] once again. And as big as this rant is, it still probably doesn't fully cover how bad this is, but I will leave that to anyone else who has something to say about it.
1st May '16 3:10:55 AM tsstevens
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** Tropers/tsstevens: I would second this and by rights this should probably be considered worse because of the disrespect shown to Amy Dumas as a person rather than the character she played. However for a moment put this shameful act in context of Lita being a slut heel, that was the villain she was. What brought this on to a degree was the Wrestling{{Kane}} angle where she is kidnapped and raped. Think about that for a moment: they try and sell a character by using rape. RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil is very much a RealLife trope. It deserves to be treated as being that heinous for real. If the WWE wanted to market Kane or Glenn Jacobs again this would be a major issue, or should have been, instead the whole idea seemed to have been forgotten or buried. To make it worse this seems to be a bout of punishment against Amy Dumas with other incidents such as male abuse and humiliation, all for saying that recreating the kiss she had with Wrestling/MattHardy would ruin the magic. And to make things even worse they had an angle with Gene Snitsky where he caused Lita to have a miscarriage of a baby she did not want in the first place and run with this angle for years. In the words of Wrestling/JimCornette who has spoken out against such ideas, fuck this company!

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** Tropers/tsstevens: I would second this and by rights this should probably be considered worse because of the disrespect shown to Amy Dumas as a person rather than the character she played. However for a moment put this shameful act in context of Lita being a slut heel, that was the villain she was. What brought this on to a degree was the Wrestling{{Kane}} Wrestling/{{Kane}} angle where she is kidnapped and raped. Think about that for a moment: they try and sell a character by using rape. RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil is very much a RealLife trope. It deserves to be treated as being that heinous for real. If the WWE wanted to market Kane or Glenn Jacobs again this would be a major issue, or should have been, instead the whole idea seemed to have been forgotten or buried. To make it worse this seems to be a bout of punishment against Amy Dumas with other incidents such as male abuse and humiliation, all for saying that recreating the kiss she had with Wrestling/MattHardy would ruin the magic. And to make things even worse they had an angle with Gene Snitsky where he caused Lita to have a miscarriage of a baby she did not want in the first place and run with this angle for years. In the words of Wrestling/JimCornette who has spoken out against such ideas, fuck this company!
1st May '16 3:09:55 AM tsstevens
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** Tropers/tsstevens: I would second this and by rights this should probably be considered worse because of the disrespect shown to Amy Dumas as a person rather than the character she played. However for a moment put this shameful act in context of Lita being a slut heel, that was the villain she was. What brought this on to a degree was the Wrestling{{Kane}} angle where she is kidnapped and raped. Think about that for a moment: they try and sell a character by using rape. RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil is very much a RealLife trope. It deserves to be treated as being that heinous for real. If the WWE wanted to market Kane or Glenn Jacobs again this would be a major issue, or should have been, instead the whole idea seemed to have been forgotten or buried. To make it worse this seems to be a bout of punishment against Amy Dumas with other incidents such as male abuse and humiliation, all for saying that recreating the kiss she had with Wrestling/MattHardy would ruin the magic. And to make things even worse they had an angle with Gene Snitsky where he caused Lita to have a miscarriage of a baby she did not want in the first place and run with this angle for years. In the words of Wrestling/JimCornette who has spoken out against such ideas, fuck this company!
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