History DethroningMoment / Persona

* Tropers/{{Demonsead}}: Near the end of The Answer, a PlayableEpilogue included in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' [[UpdatedRerelease FES]], after finally getting through the hell that was The Abyss of Time, each member of SEES (except Metis) is given a key that would allow them to either leave the dorm (which would make the Abyss disappear) or use the door the the [[SilentProtagonist Main Character's]] dorm room (which is impossible to open normally for some reason) to travel back in time to [[spoiler:the date of their final battle against the Nyx Avatar.]] Everyone is in agreement to leave... except [[ImpliedLoveInterest Yukari]], who wanted to use the keys to [[spoiler:save the Main Character's life.]] This leads to a disagreement about whether it was right or not to [[spoiler:undo his death, both for ethical reasons and for the possibility of fighting the Nyx Avatar again, and possibly losing.]] Yukari ignores all of this, [[HannibalLecture says Junpei is just afraid to die]], Calls [[ChangingOfTheGuard Aigis]] out on [[spoiler:not saying goodbye with the rest of SEES to the Protagonist after he died]], says everyone else only cares about themselves, and single-handedly causes SEES to fight for the keys with the winner having them all. All of this unnecessary drama could have been avoided if she just accepted the past and the action of the Main Character like everyone else and just left the dorm, goddammit Yukari.

* Sheepking: Makoto joining the Phantom Thieves. [[spoiler:She storms into a mob boss's inner sanctum with no plan and no backup (that she knows of). This ends with her and the thieves being blackmailed by Kaneshiro, allowing the thieves to enter Kaneshiro's Palace as he now sees them as "customers" of his "bank".]] The logic for taking Makoto into the Metaverse and eventually awakening her Persona amounts to "The girl who has been blackmailing us with proof of our identities helped us entirely by accident, so she deserves to know how our powers work." What's worse is that she joins as the thieves' tactician despite only gaining their trust by doing something completely boneheaded. I have a lot of problems with Makoto's character, but this scene above all is the reason I just can't understand why she's tolerated, let alone one of the most popular characters.

* Tropers/{{CalamityRaven26}}: Now don't get me wrong, I absolutely ''love'' Persona 4. Hell, Persona 4 Golden is in my top five games of all time! But I seriously need to call bullshit out even with the best of the best, especially in regards to my personal DethroningMomentOfSuck with this game, where [[spoiler: the Investigation Team attempts to kill Namatame and how you have to talk them out of it. I ''get'' that the team is irrational, especially after Nanako died, but seriously, they acted like complete idiots during that scene. Not only was it ''more'' obvious that something was off in regards to the situation than it was during the Mitsuo scene, but I wanted to ''punch'' Yosuke for thinking murdering somebody when we haven't even heard his side of the story yet. I get that people were angry over Nanako's death, but I was so irritated with this irrationality, as it's completely an OutOfCharacterMoment for the team. But what ''really'' ruins this scene for me is the gameplay implications: in an JustForFun/{{Egregious}} case of GuideDangIt, you have to choose the ''exact response chain'' in order to avoid the second-worst ending. I understand that this game's message is all about the truth, but why make it possible to get a bad ending when incorrectly guessing the killer the next day? Not only does it feel completely stupid on both the characters and developers' parts to make ONE innocent mistake automatically lead to the BadEnd, but it feels downright patronizing, given that the Investigation Team was completely under the control of the IdiotBall ''and'' how much of an insulting GuideDangIt it is.]] Persona 4 is a damn-near perfect game, but it's only ''near'' perfect because this one, shitty moment exists.

* Tropers/{{CalamityRaven26}}: Now don't get me wrong, I absolutely ''love'' Persona 4. Hell, Persona 4 Golden is in my top five games of all time! But I seriously need to call bullshit out even with the best of the best, especially in regards to my personal DethroningMomentOfSuck with this game, where [[spoiler: the Investigation Team attempts to kill Namatame and how you have to talk them out of it. I ''get'' that the team is irrational, especially after Nanako died, but seriously, they acted like complete idiots during that scene. Not only was it ''more'' obvious that something was off in regards to the situation than it was during the Mitsuo scene, but I wanted to ''punch'' Yosuke for thinking murdering somebody when we haven't even heard his side of the story yet. I get that people were angry over Nanako's death, but I was so irritated with this irrationality, as it's completely an OutOfCharacterMoment for the team. But what ''really'' ruins this scene for me is the gameplay implications: in an {{Egregious}} case of GuideDangIt, you have to choose the ''exact response chain'' in order to avoid the second-worst ending. I understand that this game's message is all about the truth, but why make it possible to get a bad ending when incorrectly guessing the killer the next day? Not only does it feel completely stupid on both the characters and developers' parts to make ONE innocent mistake automatically lead to the BadEnd, but it feels downright patronizing, given that the Investigation Team was completely under the control of the IdiotBall ''and'' how much of an insulting GuideDangIt it is.]] Persona 4 is a damn-near perfect game, but it's only ''near'' perfect because this one, shitty moment exists.

* Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: Makoto is my favorite character in the game, and the one I wanted to date the most on my first playthrough. Unfortunately, I wasn't Debonair enough to get passed Makoto's third Confidant scenario, so I had to try to max my Charm out before I got to the end of the game, which didn't happen, so I had little choice but choose another girl to date, and then to beat the game to get a NewGamePlus, start the game again with my states as they were before, and max out my Charm like crazy before I started Makoto's Confidant again. Unfortunately, Makoto's Confidant did in fact turn out to be one of the weaker ones in the game, and that's because of Eiko Takao. Makoto is solely focused on her friendship with Eiko, leaving Makoto with little room development much on her own, and Eiko has a very, very bad case of TooDumbToLive. Eiko has bad grades, presumably thanks to putting more time and energy into working in a salon in Shinjuku, but that's not important. What's important about this Confidant is that she has a supposedly handsome (actually really gaudy) host for a boyfriend named Tsukasa, who showers her with so much love & affection it's sickening. The warning signs that Tsukasa is an evil son of a bitch are scattered everywhere, and Eiko utterly fails to pick up on them. He calls her Princess to avoid remembering her name in case he gets mixed, he isn't faithful to her as proven by texting an unwilling Makoto almost constantly and asking very personal questions, and asking Eiko for money to pay for a broken bottle of sake. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, can't see what's wrong with that]]. We later learn that he plans to sell her into sex slavery, as he's done with previous vulnerable girls like her, and Makoto wants to save her friend from this crisis. Sadly, Eiko is a terrible friend, and an idiot on top of that. She falls for the obvious lie about the broken bottle and asks Makoto to give her some money to help pay for it, refuses to believe Makoto's warnings about Tsukasa, accuses Makoto of trying to steal the bastard from her when the former clearly has no interest, and still refuses to accept that Tsukasa is a scumbag, even after everything is revealed, all because Tsukasa treated her like she was special while her family treats her as TheUnfavourite. I'm sorry Makoto, but I just can't accept this. Not only do you choose a poor excuse for a friend, you also let her so called boyfriend [[KarmaHoudini get away with his crimes]] in the end. And you magically fix everything in the end with your idiot friend? I just wanted to get to know you more and romance you, not help some brainless twit who probably deserved her fate and doesn't deserve your [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic sympathy]]. I can feel satisfied that I'm finally getting Makoto as my girlfriend for this playthrough, but it feels hollow now, and that's thanks to Eiko. I went through so much crap for this? Thank you Eiko, you lazy good-for-nothing dumbass, for ruining Makoto's Confidant and wasting my time on you.

* Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: Makoto is my favorite character in the game, and the one I wanted to date the most on the first playthrough. Unfortunately, I wasn't Debonair enough to get pasted Makoto's third Confidant scenario, so I had to try to max my Charm out before I got to the end of the game, but I had little choice but choose another girl to date, and then to beat the game to get a NewGamePlus, start the game again with my states as they were before, and max out my Charm like crazy before I started Makoto's Confidant again. Unfortunately, Makoto's Confidant did in fact turn out to be one of the weaker ones in the game, and that's because of Eiko Takao. Makoto is solely focused on her friendship with Eiko, leaving Makoto with little room development much on her own, and Eiko has a very, very bad case of TooDumbToLive. Eiko has bad grades, presumably thanks to putting more time and energy into working in a salon in Shinjuku, but that's not important. What's important about this Confidant, is that she has a handsome host for a boyfriend named Tsukasa, who showers her with so much love & affection it's sickening. The warning signs that Tsukasa is an evil son of a bitch are scattered everywhere, and Eiko utterly fails to pick up on them. He calls her Princess to avoid remembering her name, he isn't faithful to her as proven by texting an unwilling Makoto almost constantly, and asking Eiko for money to pay for a broken bottle of sake. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, can't see what's wrong with that]]. We later learn that he plans to sell her into sex slavery, as he's done with previous vulnerable girls like her, and Makoto wants to save her friend from this crisis. Sadly, Eiko is a terrible friend, and an idiot on up top of that. She falls for the obvious lie about the broken bottle and asks Makoto to give her some money to help pay for it, refuses to believe Makoto's warnings about Tsukasa, accuses Makoto of trying to steal the bastard from her when the former clearly has no interest, and still refuses to accept that Tsukasa is a scumbag, after everything is revealed, all because Tsukasa treated her like she was special while her family treats her as TheUnfavourite. I'm sorry Makoto, but I just can't accept this. Not only do you choose a poor excuse for a friend, you also let her so called boyfriend [[KarmaHoudini get away with his crimes]] in the end. And you magically fix everything in the end with your idiot friend? I just wanted to get to know you more and romance you, not help some brainless twit who probably deserved her fate. I can feel satisfied that I'm finally getting Makoto as my girlfriend for this playthrough, but it feels hollow now, and that's thanks to Eiko. I went through so much crap for this? Thank you Eiko, you lazy good-for-nothing dumbass, for ruining Makoto's Confidant and wasting my time on you.

* Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: Makoto is my favorite character in the game, and the one I wanted to date the most on the first playthrough. Unfortunately, I wasn't Debonair enough to get pasted Makoto's third Confidant scenario, so I had to try to max my Charm out before I got to the end of the game, but I had little choice but choose another girl to date, and then to beat the game to get a NewGamePlus, start the game again with my states as they were before, and max out my Charm like crazy before I started Makoto's Confidant again. Unfortunately, Makoto's Confidant did in fact turn out to be one of the weaker ones in the game, and that's because of Eiko Takao. Makoto is solely focused on her friendship with Eiko to development much on her own, and Eiko has a very bad case of TooDumbToLive. She has bad grades, presumably thanks to putting more time and energy into working in a salon in Shinjuku, but that's not important. What's important about this Confidant, is that Eiko has a handsome host for a boyfriend named Tsukasa, who showers her with so much love it's sickening. The warning signs that Tsukasa is an evil son of a bitch are scattered everywhere, and Eiko utterly fails to pick up on them. He calls her Princess to avoid remembering her name, he isn't faithful to her as proven by texting an unwilling Makoto almost constantly, and asking Eiko for money to pay for a broken bottle of sake. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, can't see what's wrong with that]]. We later learn that he plans to sell her into sex slavery, as he's done with previous vulnerable girls like her, and Makoto wants to save her friend from this crisis. Sadly, Eiko is a terrible friend, and an idiot on up top of that. She asks Makoto to give her some money for the "broke bottle", refuses to believe Makoto's warnings about Tsukasa, accuses her of trying to steal the bastard from her, and still refuses to accept that Tsukasa is a scumbag, after everything is revealed, all because Tsukasa treated her like she was special. I'm sorry Makoto, but I just can't accept this. Not only do you choose a poor excuse for a friend, you also let her so called boyfriend [[KarmaHoudini get away with his crimes]] in the end. And you magically fix everything in the end with your idiot friend? I just wanted to get to know you more and romance you, not help some brainless twit who probably deserved her fate. I can feel satisfied that I'm finally getting Makoto as my girlfriend for this playthrough, but it feels hollow now, and that's thanks to Eiko. I went through so much crap for this? Thank you Eiko, you lazy good-for-nothing dumbass, for ruining Makoto's Confidant and wasting my time on you.

* Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: Makoto is my favorite character in the game, and the one I wanted to date the most on the first playthrough. Unfortunately, I wasn't Debonair enough to get pasted Makoto's third Confidant scenario, so I had to try to max my Charm out before I got to the end of the game, but I had little choice but choose another girl to date, and then to beat game to get a NewGamePlus, start the game again with my states as they were before, and max out my Charm like crazy before I started Makoto's Confidant again. Unfortunately, Makoto's Confidant did in fact turned out to be one of the weaker ones in the game, that's because of Eiko. Makoto is solely focused on her friendship with Eiko to development much on her own, and Eiko has a bad case of TooDumbToLive. She has bad grades, thanks to putting more time and energy into working in a salon in Shinjuku, but that's not important. What's important about this Confidant, is that Eiko has a handsome host for a boyfriend named Tsukasa, who showers her with so much love it's sickening. The warning signs that Tsukasa is an evil son of a bitch are scattered everywhere, and Eiko utterly fails to pick up on them. He calls her Princess to avoid remembering her name, he isn't faithful to her as proven by texting an unwilling Makoto almost constantly, and asking Eiko for money to pay for a broken bottle of sake. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, can't see what's wrong with that]]. We later learn that he plans to sell her into sex slavery, as he's done with previous vulnerable girls like her, and Makoto wants to save her friend from this crisis. Sadly, Eiko is a terrible friend, and an idiot up top of that. She asks Makoto to give her some money for the "broke bottle", refuses to believe Makoto's warnings about Tsukasa, accuses her of trying to still the bastard from her, and still refuses to accept that Tsukasa is a scumbag, after everything is revealed. I'm sorry Makoto, but I just can't accept this. Not only do you choose a poor excuse for a friend, you also let her boyfriend [[KarmaHoudini get away with his crimes]] in the end. And you magically fix everything in the end with your idiot friend? I just wanted to get to know you more and romance you, not help some brainless twit who probably deserved her fate. I can feel satisfied that I'm finally getting her as my girlfriend for this playthrough, but it feels hollow now, and that's thanks to Eiko. I went through so much crap for this? Thank you Eiko, you lazy good-for-nothing dumbass, for ruining Makoto's Confidant and wasting my time on you.

* Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: Makoto is my favorite character in the game, and the one I wanted to date the most on the first playthrough. Unfortunately, I wasn't Debonair enough to get pasted Makoto's third Confidant scenario, so I had to try to max my Charm out before I got to the end of the game, but I had little choice but choose another girl to date, and then to beat game to get a NewGamePlus, start the game again with my states as they were before, and max out my Charm like crazy before I started Makoto's Confidant again. Unfortunately, Makoto's Confidant turned out to be one of the weaker ones in the game, that's because of Eiko. Makoto is solely focused on her friendship with Eiko to development much on her own, and Eiko has a bad case of TooDumbToLive. She has bad grades, thanks to putting more effort and energy into working in a salon in Shinjuku, but that's not important. What's important about this Confidant, is that Eiko has a handsome host for a boyfriend named Tsukasa, who showers her with so much love it's sickening. The warning signs that Tsukasa is an evil son of a bitch are scattered everywhere, and Eiko utterly fails to pick up on them. He calls her Princess to avoid remembering her name, he isn't faithful to her as proven by texting an unwilling Makoto almost constantly, and asking Eiko for money to pay for a broken bottle of sake. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, can't see what's wrong with that]]. We later learn that he plans to sell her into sex slavery, as he's done with previous vulnerable girls like her, and Makoto wants to save her friend from this crisis. Sadly, Eiko is a terrible friend, and an idiot up top of that. She asks Makoto to give her some money for the "broke bottle", refuses to believe Makoto's warnings about Tsukasa, accuses her of trying to still the bastard from her, and still refuses to accept that Tsukasa is a scumbag, after everything is revealed. I'm sorry Makoto, but I just can't accept this. Not only do you choose a poor excuse for a friend, you also let her boyfriend [[KarmaHoudini get away with his crimes]] in the end. And you magically fix everything in the end with your idiot friend? I just wanted to get to know you more and romance you, not help some brainless twit who probably deserved her fate. I can feel satisfied that I'm finally getting her as my girlfriend for this playthrough, but it feels hollow now, and that's thanks to Eiko. I went through so much crap for this? Thank you Eiko, you lazy good-for-nothing dumbass, for ruining Makoto's Confidant and wasting my time on you.

* Tropers/CalamityRaven26: Now don't get me wrong, I absolutely ''love'' Persona 4. Hell, Persona 4 Golden is in my top five games of all time! But I seriously need to call bullshit out even with the best of the best, especially in regards to my personal DMoS with this game, where [[spoiler: the Investigation Team attempts to kill Namatame and how you have to talk them out of it. I ''get'' that the team is irrational, especially after Nanako died, but seriously, they acted like complete idiots during that scene. Not only was it ''more'' obvious that something was off in regards to the situation than it was during the Mitsuo scene, but I wanted to ''punch'' Yosuke for thinking murdering somebody when we haven't even heard his side of the story yet. I get that people were angry over Nanako's death, but I was so irritated with this irrationality, as it's completely an OutOfCharacterMoment for the team. But what ''really'' ruins this scene for me is the gameplay implications: in an {{Egregious}} case of GuideDangIt, you have to choose the ''exact response chain'' in order to avoid the second-worst ending. I understand that this game's message is all about the truth, but why make it possible to get a bad ending when incorrectly guessing the killer the next day? Not only does it feel completely stupid on both the characters and developers' parts to make ONE innocent mistake automatically lead to the BadEnd, but it feels downright patronizing, given that the Investigation Team was completely under the control of the IdiotBall ''and'' how much of an insulting GuideDangIt it is.]] Persona 4 is a damn-near perfect game, but it's only ''near'' perfect because this one, shitty moment exists.

* Animeking1108: The last few hours were really when the plot of ''Persona 4'' started to get [[IdiotPlot stupid]], but I think one thing that infuriated me was [[spoiler: Nanako's death and resurrection]]. First, let's talk about how it triggers the events leading to either the good or bad ending. The game was basically using [[spoiler: the death of a child]] to [[StuffedInTheFridge emotionally manipulate the player into picking the bad ending]]. If you decide to [[spoiler: spare Namatame, Nanako comes back to life]]. First, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot it negated a potential moment of character development for the heroes, showing that they're not perfect enough to save the day every time]]. Second, [[UnfortunateImplications it's a huge slap in the face to people who actually had to bury their children or siblings]] by having the situation resolved with a ResetButton. Third, [[BrokenAesop it completely goes against the moral of Naoki and Hisano's Social Links]] about [[spoiler: coming to terms with the death of a loved one]]. [[AssPull Finally, there is no explanation behind this aside from]] ThePowerOfFriendship. I'd expect this kind of writing out of the kids' shows everyone here seems to like, not a fucking [[Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei SMT]] game. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTNP792ykYM I'll just let the Nostalgia Critic sum up my feelings on this scene]].

** Tropers/LucaEarlgrey: The hot springs scene. So Yuu and his male company walk into the hot springs for a relaxing soak, sincerely believing that the spring is empty and is now on males-only hours, only to accidentally walk in on their female friends still splashing around. Chie and company immediately strike back at the guys, interpreting it as an act of perversion. After the guys flee, the girls then realize that they had stayed too long and were bathing well past their timeslot into the men's timeslot... then scoff it off and continue to bathe anyway. Easily the worst and dumbest scene in the entire game, and a sterling example of DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale, and I was so pissed off that the next day I went into the TV and committed the Shadow equivalent of SuicideByCop.
*** {{Ecclytennysmithylove}}: I agree. To drive the DMOS further, let's compare the Persona 4 hot spring episode with a similar hot spring episode of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', in which the P3 boys stayed in the spring past their timeslot into the women's timeslot. In that episode, the P3 boys receiving DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale from the P3 girls (that is, if you fail the stealth-action minigame) actually works because of Ryoji and Junpei's dumb idea for the P3 boys to stay in the spring passed the allotted time for men, and therefore the P3 boys got punished for their actions. In the Persona 4 hot spring episode, however, it's gender-reversed and since no reasonable adults (i.e. Yukiko's parents because they're the owners of, y'know, the Amagi Hot Spring Inn) informed the P4 girls that their time in the spring is up, there is no reason as to why the P4 boys deserved abuse from the P4 girls.
*** jake38: I have to admit, I love persona 4 and consider it one of my favorite JRPG'S, but I found the entire Amagi Inn scene to be the worst scene in the entire game, as it just made the whole group look like a bunch of assholes.

* Please make sure the moment is fictional and is neither an event that occured in real life nor something gameplay-related. We have a perfectly good ScrappyMechanic page for the latter.

* Animeking1108: The last few hours were really when the plot of ''Persona 4'' started to get [[IdiotPlot stupid]], but I think one thing that infuriated me was [[spoiler: Nanako's death and resurrection]]. First, let's talk about how it triggers the events leading to either the good or bad ending. The game was basically using [[spoiler: the death of a child]] to [[StuffedInTheFridge emotionally manipulate the player into picking the bad ending]]. If you decide to [[spoiler: spare Namatame, Nanako comes back to life]]. First, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot it negated a potential moment of character development for the heroes, showing that they're not perfect enough to save the day every time]]. Second, [[UnfortunateImplications it's a huge slap in the face to parents who actually had to bury their children]] by having the situation resolved with a ResetButton. [[AssPull Finally, there is no explanation behind this aside from]] ThePowerOfFriendship. I'd expect this kind of writing out of the kids' shows everyone here seems to like, not a fucking [[Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei SMT]] game.

* Tropers/{{Demonsead}}: Near the end of The Answer, a PlayableEpilogue included in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' [[UpdatedRerelease FES]], after finally getting through the hell that was The Abyss of Time, each member of SEES(except Metis) is given a key that would allow them to either leave the dorm (which would make the Abyss disappear) or use the door the the [[SilentProtagonist Main Character's]] dorm room (which is impossible to open normally for some reason) to travel back in time to [[spoiler:the date of their final battle against the Nyx Avatar.]] Everyone is in agreement to leave... except [[ImpliedLoveInterest Yukari]], who wanted to use the keys to [[spoiler:save the Main Character's life.]] This leads to a disagreement about whether it was right or not to [[spoiler:undo his death, both for ethical reasons and for the possibility of fighting the Nyx Avatar again, and possibly losing.]] Yukari ignores all of this, [[HannibalLecture says Junpei is just afraid to die]], Calls [[ChangingOfTheGuard Aigis]] out on [[spoiler:not saying goodbye with the rest of SEES to the Protagonist after he died]], says everyone else only cares about themselves, and single-handedly causes SEES to fight for the keys with the winner having them all. All of this unnecessary drama could have been avoided if she just accepted the past and the action of the Main Character like everyone else and just left the dorm, goddammit Yukari.

* Tropers/{{Demonsead}}: Near the end of The Answer, a PlayableEpilogue included in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' [[UpdatedRerelease FES]], after finally getting through the hell that was The Abyss of Time, each member of SEES(except Metis) is given a key that would allow them to either leave the dorm(which would make the Abyss disappear) or use the door the the [[SilentProtagonist Main Character's]] dorm room(which is impossible to open normally for some reason) to travel back in time to [[spoiler:the date of their final battle against the Nyx Avatar.]] Everyone is in agreement to leave....except [[ImpliedLoveInterest Yukari]], who wanted to use the keys to [[spoiler:save the Main Character's life.]] This leads to a disagreement about whether it was right or not to [[spoiler:undo his death, both for ethical reasons and for the possibility of fighting the Nyx Avatar again, and possibly losing.]] Yukari ignores all of this, [[HannibalLecture says Junpei is just afraid to die]], Calls [[ChangingOfTheGuard Aigis]] out on [[spoiler:not saying goodbye with the rest of SEES to the Protagonist after he died]], says everyone else only cares about themselves, and single-handedly causes SEES to fight for the keys with the winner having them all. All of this unnecessary drama could have been avoided if she just accepted the past and the action of the Main Character like everyone else and just left the dorm, goddammit Yukari.
** Tropers/{{Hoki}} : For me, it was not Yukari's decision to fight for the keys to go back in time [[spoiler: and save the Main Character's life]] that was the moment of suck (her grief was partly understandable). It was the fact that the supposed smartest person in the group backed her up for no apparent reason (other than probably having an even playing field) knowing full well of the possible implications of going back in time. So much for being an honor student.

** Tropers/LucaEarlgrey: The hot springs scene. So Yuu and his male company walk into the hot springs for a relaxing soak, sincerely believing that the spring is empty and is now on males-only hours, only to accidentally walk in on their female friends still splashing around. Chie and company immediately strike back at the guys, interpreting it as an act of perversion. After the guys flee, the girls then realize that they had stayed too long and were bathing well past their timeslot into the men's timeslot...then scoff it off and continue to bathe anyway. Easily the worst and dumbest scene in the entire game, and a sterling example of DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale, and I was so pissed off that the next day I went into the TV and committed the Shadow equivalent of SuicideByCop.

* Tropers/{{Demonsead}}: Near the end of The Answer, a PlayableEpilogue included in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' [[UpdatedRerelease FES]], after finally getting through the hell that was The Abyss of Time, each member of SEES(except Metis) is given a key that would allow them to either leave the dorm(which would make the Abyss disappear) or use the door the the [[SilentProtagonist Main Character's]] dorm room(which is impossible to open normally for some reason) to travel back in time to [[spoiler:the date of their final battle against the Nyx Avatar.]] Everyone is in agreement to leave....except [[ImpliedLoveInterest Yukari]], who wanted to use the keys to [[spoiler:save the Main Character's life.]] This leads to a disagreement about whether it was right or not to [[spoiler:undo his death, both for ethical reasons and for the possibility of fighting the Nyx Avatar again, and possibly losing.]] Yukari [[DarthWiki/WallBanger ignores all of this]], [[HannibalLecture says Junpei is just afraid to die]], Calls [[ChangingOfTheGuard Aigis]] out on [[spoiler:not saying goodbye with the rest of SEES to the Protagonist after he died]], says everyone else only cares about themselves, and single-handedly causes SEES to fight for the keys with the winner having them all. All of this unnecessary drama could have been avoided if she just accepted the past and the action of the Main Character like everyone else and just left the dorm, goddammit Yukari.

* Animeking1108: The last few hours were really when the plot of ''Persona 4'' started to get [[IdiotPlot stupid]], but I think one thing that infuriated me was [[spoiler: Nanako's death and resurrection]]. First, let's talk about how it triggers the events leading to either the good or bad ending. The game was basically using [[spoiler: the death of a child]] to [[StuffedInTheFridge emotionally manipulate the player into picking the bad ending]]. If you decide to [[spoiler: spare Namatame, Nanako comes back to life]]. [[AssPull There is no explanation behind this aside from]] ThePowerOfFriendship. I'd expect this kind of writing out of the kids' shows everyone here seems to like, not a fucking [[Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei SMT]] game.

* Animeking1108: The last few hours were really when the plot of ''Persona 4'' started to get [[IdiotPlot stupid]], but I think one thing that infuriated me was [[spoiler: Nanako's death and resurrection]]. First, let's talk about how it triggers the events leading to either the good or bad ending. The game was basically using [[spoiler: the death of a child]] to [[StuffedInTheFridge emotionally manipulate the player into picking the bad ending]]. If you decide to [[spoiler: spare Namatame, Nanako comes back to life]]. [[AssPull There is no explanation behind this aside from]] ThePowerOfFriendship.