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25th Feb '16 8:14:17 PM Animeking1108
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* Please make sure the moment is fictional and is neither an event that occured in real life nor something gameplay-related. We have a perfectly good ScrappyMechanic page for the latter.

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* Animeking1108: The last few hours were really when the plot of ''Persona 4'' started to get [[IdiotPlot stupid]], but I think one thing that infuriated me was [[spoiler: Nanako's death and resurrection]]. First, let's talk about how it triggers the events leading to either the good or bad ending. The game was basically using [[spoiler: the death of a child]] to [[StuffedInTheFridge emotionally manipulate the player into picking the bad ending]]. If you decide to [[spoiler: spare Namatame, Nanako comes back to life]]. First, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot it negated a potential moment of character development for the heroes, showing that they're not perfect enough to save the day every time]]. Second, [[UnfortunateImplications it's a huge slap in the face to parents who actually had to bury their children]] by having the situation resolved with a ResetButton. [[AssPull Finally, there is no explanation behind this aside from]] ThePowerOfFriendship. I'd expect this kind of writing out of the kids' shows everyone here seems to like, not a fucking [[Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei SMT]] game.

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* Animeking1108: The last few hours were really when the plot of ''Persona 4'' started to get [[IdiotPlot stupid]], but I think one thing that infuriated me was [[spoiler: Nanako's death and resurrection]]. First, let's talk about how it triggers the events leading to either the good or bad ending. The game was basically using [[spoiler: the death of a child]] to [[StuffedInTheFridge emotionally manipulate the player into picking the bad ending]]. If you decide to [[spoiler: spare Namatame, Nanako comes back to life]]. First, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot it negated a potential moment of character development for the heroes, showing that they're not perfect enough to save the day every time]]. Second, [[UnfortunateImplications it's a huge slap in the face to parents people who actually had to bury their children]] children or siblings]] by having the situation resolved with a ResetButton. Third, [[BrokenAesop it completely goes against the moral of Naoki and Hisano's Social Links]] about [[spoiler: coming to terms with the death of a loved one]]. [[AssPull Finally, there is no explanation behind this aside from]] ThePowerOfFriendship. I'd expect this kind of writing out of the kids' shows everyone here seems to like, not a fucking [[Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei SMT]] game. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTNP792ykYM I'll just let the Nostalgia Critic sum up my feelings on this scene]].
22nd Jan '16 4:03:25 AM KhlavKalash
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* Tropers/{{Demonsead}}: Near the end of The Answer, a PlayableEpilogue included in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' [[UpdatedRerelease FES]], after finally getting through the hell that was The Abyss of Time, each member of SEES(except Metis) is given a key that would allow them to either leave the dorm (which would make the Abyss disappear) or use the door the the [[SilentProtagonist Main Character's]] dorm room (which is impossible to open normally for some reason) to travel back in time to [[spoiler:the date of their final battle against the Nyx Avatar.]] Everyone is in agreement to leave... except [[ImpliedLoveInterest Yukari]], who wanted to use the keys to [[spoiler:save the Main Character's life.]] This leads to a disagreement about whether it was right or not to [[spoiler:undo his death, both for ethical reasons and for the possibility of fighting the Nyx Avatar again, and possibly losing.]] Yukari ignores all of this, [[HannibalLecture says Junpei is just afraid to die]], Calls [[ChangingOfTheGuard Aigis]] out on [[spoiler:not saying goodbye with the rest of SEES to the Protagonist after he died]], says everyone else only cares about themselves, and single-handedly causes SEES to fight for the keys with the winner having them all. All of this unnecessary drama could have been avoided if she just accepted the past and the action of the Main Character like everyone else and just left the dorm, goddammit Yukari.

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* Tropers/{{Demonsead}}: Near the end of The Answer, a PlayableEpilogue included in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' [[UpdatedRerelease FES]], after finally getting through the hell that was The Abyss of Time, each member of SEES(except SEES (except Metis) is given a key that would allow them to either leave the dorm (which would make the Abyss disappear) or use the door the the [[SilentProtagonist Main Character's]] dorm room (which is impossible to open normally for some reason) to travel back in time to [[spoiler:the date of their final battle against the Nyx Avatar.]] Everyone is in agreement to leave... except [[ImpliedLoveInterest Yukari]], who wanted to use the keys to [[spoiler:save the Main Character's life.]] This leads to a disagreement about whether it was right or not to [[spoiler:undo his death, both for ethical reasons and for the possibility of fighting the Nyx Avatar again, and possibly losing.]] Yukari ignores all of this, [[HannibalLecture says Junpei is just afraid to die]], Calls [[ChangingOfTheGuard Aigis]] out on [[spoiler:not saying goodbye with the rest of SEES to the Protagonist after he died]], says everyone else only cares about themselves, and single-handedly causes SEES to fight for the keys with the winner having them all. All of this unnecessary drama could have been avoided if she just accepted the past and the action of the Main Character like everyone else and just left the dorm, goddammit Yukari.
22nd Jan '16 2:32:23 AM KhlavKalash
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* Tropers/{{Demonsead}}: Near the end of The Answer, a PlayableEpilogue included in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' [[UpdatedRerelease FES]], after finally getting through the hell that was The Abyss of Time, each member of SEES(except Metis) is given a key that would allow them to either leave the dorm(which would make the Abyss disappear) or use the door the the [[SilentProtagonist Main Character's]] dorm room(which is impossible to open normally for some reason) to travel back in time to [[spoiler:the date of their final battle against the Nyx Avatar.]] Everyone is in agreement to leave....except [[ImpliedLoveInterest Yukari]], who wanted to use the keys to [[spoiler:save the Main Character's life.]] This leads to a disagreement about whether it was right or not to [[spoiler:undo his death, both for ethical reasons and for the possibility of fighting the Nyx Avatar again, and possibly losing.]] Yukari ignores all of this, [[HannibalLecture says Junpei is just afraid to die]], Calls [[ChangingOfTheGuard Aigis]] out on [[spoiler:not saying goodbye with the rest of SEES to the Protagonist after he died]], says everyone else only cares about themselves, and single-handedly causes SEES to fight for the keys with the winner having them all. All of this unnecessary drama could have been avoided if she just accepted the past and the action of the Main Character like everyone else and just left the dorm, goddammit Yukari.
** Tropers/{{Hoki}} : For me, it was not Yukari's decision to fight for the keys to go back in time [[spoiler: and save the Main Character's life]] that was the moment of suck (her grief was partly understandable). It was the fact that the supposed smartest person in the group backed her up for no apparent reason (other than probably having an even playing field) knowing full well of the possible implications of going back in time. So much for being an honor student.

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* Tropers/{{Demonsead}}: Near the end of The Answer, a PlayableEpilogue included in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' [[UpdatedRerelease FES]], after finally getting through the hell that was The Abyss of Time, each member of SEES(except Metis) is given a key that would allow them to either leave the dorm(which dorm (which would make the Abyss disappear) or use the door the the [[SilentProtagonist Main Character's]] dorm room(which room (which is impossible to open normally for some reason) to travel back in time to [[spoiler:the date of their final battle against the Nyx Avatar.]] Everyone is in agreement to leave....leave... except [[ImpliedLoveInterest Yukari]], who wanted to use the keys to [[spoiler:save the Main Character's life.]] This leads to a disagreement about whether it was right or not to [[spoiler:undo his death, both for ethical reasons and for the possibility of fighting the Nyx Avatar again, and possibly losing.]] Yukari ignores all of this, [[HannibalLecture says Junpei is just afraid to die]], Calls [[ChangingOfTheGuard Aigis]] out on [[spoiler:not saying goodbye with the rest of SEES to the Protagonist after he died]], says everyone else only cares about themselves, and single-handedly causes SEES to fight for the keys with the winner having them all. All of this unnecessary drama could have been avoided if she just accepted the past and the action of the Main Character like everyone else and just left the dorm, goddammit Yukari.
** Tropers/{{Hoki}} : Tropers/{{Hoki}}: For me, it was not Yukari's decision to fight for the keys to go back in time [[spoiler: and save the Main Character's life]] that was the moment of suck (her grief was partly understandable). It was the fact that the supposed smartest person in the group backed her up for no apparent reason (other than probably having an even playing field) knowing full well of the possible implications of going back in time. So much for being an honor student.



** Tropers/LucaEarlgrey: The hot springs scene. So Yuu and his male company walk into the hot springs for a relaxing soak, sincerely believing that the spring is empty and is now on males-only hours, only to accidentally walk in on their female friends still splashing around. Chie and company immediately strike back at the guys, interpreting it as an act of perversion. After the guys flee, the girls then realize that they had stayed too long and were bathing well past their timeslot into the men's timeslot...then scoff it off and continue to bathe anyway. Easily the worst and dumbest scene in the entire game, and a sterling example of DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale, and I was so pissed off that the next day I went into the TV and committed the Shadow equivalent of SuicideByCop.

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** Tropers/LucaEarlgrey: The hot springs scene. So Yuu and his male company walk into the hot springs for a relaxing soak, sincerely believing that the spring is empty and is now on males-only hours, only to accidentally walk in on their female friends still splashing around. Chie and company immediately strike back at the guys, interpreting it as an act of perversion. After the guys flee, the girls then realize that they had stayed too long and were bathing well past their timeslot into the men's timeslot... then scoff it off and continue to bathe anyway. Easily the worst and dumbest scene in the entire game, and a sterling example of DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale, and I was so pissed off that the next day I went into the TV and committed the Shadow equivalent of SuicideByCop.
17th Jan '16 9:49:58 AM brohaha
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**Brohaha: 100% agree with above troper about when Yukari storms out on SEES after Mitsuru admits the truth; I literally could not bring myself into watching that scene again when playing Portable that I just skipped through all the dialogue and picked whatever when prompted for dialogue choices.
27th Dec '15 2:38:34 PM Discar
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* Tropers/{{Demonsead}}: Near the end of The Answer, a PlayableEpilogue included in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' [[UpdatedRerelease FES]], after finally getting through the hell that was The Abyss of Time, each member of SEES(except Metis) is given a key that would allow them to either leave the dorm(which would make the Abyss disappear) or use the door the the [[SilentProtagonist Main Character's]] dorm room(which is impossible to open normally for some reason) to travel back in time to [[spoiler:the date of their final battle against the Nyx Avatar.]] Everyone is in agreement to leave....except [[ImpliedLoveInterest Yukari]], who wanted to use the keys to [[spoiler:save the Main Character's life.]] This leads to a disagreement about whether it was right or not to [[spoiler:undo his death, both for ethical reasons and for the possibility of fighting the Nyx Avatar again, and possibly losing.]] Yukari [[DarthWiki/WallBanger ignores all of this]], [[HannibalLecture says Junpei is just afraid to die]], Calls [[ChangingOfTheGuard Aigis]] out on [[spoiler:not saying goodbye with the rest of SEES to the Protagonist after he died]], says everyone else only cares about themselves, and single-handedly causes SEES to fight for the keys with the winner having them all. All of this unnecessary drama could have been avoided if she just accepted the past and the action of the Main Character like everyone else and just left the dorm, goddammit Yukari.

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* Tropers/{{Demonsead}}: Near the end of The Answer, a PlayableEpilogue included in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' [[UpdatedRerelease FES]], after finally getting through the hell that was The Abyss of Time, each member of SEES(except Metis) is given a key that would allow them to either leave the dorm(which would make the Abyss disappear) or use the door the the [[SilentProtagonist Main Character's]] dorm room(which is impossible to open normally for some reason) to travel back in time to [[spoiler:the date of their final battle against the Nyx Avatar.]] Everyone is in agreement to leave....except [[ImpliedLoveInterest Yukari]], who wanted to use the keys to [[spoiler:save the Main Character's life.]] This leads to a disagreement about whether it was right or not to [[spoiler:undo his death, both for ethical reasons and for the possibility of fighting the Nyx Avatar again, and possibly losing.]] Yukari [[DarthWiki/WallBanger ignores all of this]], this, [[HannibalLecture says Junpei is just afraid to die]], Calls [[ChangingOfTheGuard Aigis]] out on [[spoiler:not saying goodbye with the rest of SEES to the Protagonist after he died]], says everyone else only cares about themselves, and single-handedly causes SEES to fight for the keys with the winner having them all. All of this unnecessary drama could have been avoided if she just accepted the past and the action of the Main Character like everyone else and just left the dorm, goddammit Yukari.
20th Oct '15 12:20:45 PM catmuto
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** Tropers/{{Catmuto}}: My [=DMoS=] also has to do with Yukari. She dropped so far off my list, I banned her from entering my party for the rest of the playthrough. It's the scene during summer vacation when Mitsuru [[spoiler: admits that her family's company had to do with releasing the Shadows]]. During this scene, everyone voices their shock and Yukari yells at Mitsuru, before dramatically storming off. That part was bad enough for me, but then the player has to follow her and listen to Yukari complaining about how this affects her and why she is angry. It was such blatant selfishness on her part, I felt like reaching through the screen and slapping her. There were other [=SEES=] members, who also had horrible things happening to them and were dealing with the news they had just received, yet Yukari didn't care how anyone felt about this, she only cared about what Yukari felt. That was the worst moment in the game for me, it's a scene that is honestly keeping me from playing the game again.
14th Oct '15 3:37:53 PM catmuto
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* Tropers/{{Catmuto}}: Much as I enjoy ''VideoGame/{{Persona 4}}'', a scene around mid-way through the game was so bad, it made me hate Chie. The scene in question has Chie presenting [[spoiler: the human form of Teddy]] in brand-new, freshly bought clothes. The kicker is where Chie admits that she bought the clothes at Junes and telling the cashier to take the money for the clothes from Yosuke. [[note]]Not entirely sure if she means his bank account or an [=EC=] card or what, but Yosuke has ultimately paid for the clothes[[/note]] And those clothes were apparently pretty damn expensive, since Yosuke laments that his goal of saving up enough to buy a motorcycle has basically been ruined. Aside from the fact that Chie uses Yosuke's money without his permission, he wasn't even there when they bought the clothes. And nobody flat out even calls her out on this. In fact, it's never even mentioned. It's mentioned that Yosuke paid for the clothes, but Chie is basically the KarmaHoudini here. With the previously mentioned bathing scene above, this just really puts the unfair into TheUnfairSex.
4th Oct '15 12:44:05 PM Animeking1108
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* Animeking1108: The last few hours were really when the plot of ''Persona 4'' started to get [[IdiotPlot stupid]], but I think one thing that infuriated me was [[spoiler: Nanako's death and resurrection]]. First, let's talk about how it triggers the events leading to either the good or bad ending. The game was basically using [[spoiler: the death of a child]] to [[StuffedInTheFridge emotionally manipulate the player into picking the bad ending]]. If you decide to [[spoiler: spare Namatame, Nanako comes back to life]]. [[AssPull There is no explanation behind this aside from]] ThePowerOfFriendship. I'd expect this kind of writing out of the kids' shows everyone here seems to like, not a fucking [[Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei SMT]] game.

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* Animeking1108: The last few hours were really when the plot of ''Persona 4'' started to get [[IdiotPlot stupid]], but I think one thing that infuriated me was [[spoiler: Nanako's death and resurrection]]. First, let's talk about how it triggers the events leading to either the good or bad ending. The game was basically using [[spoiler: the death of a child]] to [[StuffedInTheFridge emotionally manipulate the player into picking the bad ending]]. If you decide to [[spoiler: spare Namatame, Nanako comes back to life]]. First, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot it negated a potential moment of character development for the heroes, showing that they're not perfect enough to save the day every time]]. Second, [[UnfortunateImplications it's a huge slap in the face to parents who actually had to bury their children]] by having the situation resolved with a ResetButton. [[AssPull There Finally, there is no explanation behind this aside from]] ThePowerOfFriendship. I'd expect this kind of writing out of the kids' shows everyone here seems to like, not a fucking [[Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei SMT]] game.
5th Jul '15 9:14:28 PM InTheGallbladder
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* Animeking1108: The last few hours were really when the plot of ''Persona 4'' started to get [[IdiotPlot stupid]], but I think one thing that infuriated me was [[spoiler: Nanako's death and resurrection]]. First, let's talk about how it triggers the events leading to either the good or bad ending. The game was basically using [[spoiler: the death of a child]] to [[StuffedInTheFridge emotionally manipulate the player into picking the bad ending]]. If you decide to [[spoiler: spare Namatame, Nanako comes back to life]]. [[AssPull There is no explanation behind this aside from]] ThePowerOfFriendship.

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* Animeking1108: The last few hours were really when the plot of ''Persona 4'' started to get [[IdiotPlot stupid]], but I think one thing that infuriated me was [[spoiler: Nanako's death and resurrection]]. First, let's talk about how it triggers the events leading to either the good or bad ending. The game was basically using [[spoiler: the death of a child]] to [[StuffedInTheFridge emotionally manipulate the player into picking the bad ending]]. If you decide to [[spoiler: spare Namatame, Nanako comes back to life]]. [[AssPull There is no explanation behind this aside from]] ThePowerOfFriendship. I'd expect this kind of writing out of the kids' shows everyone here seems to like, not a fucking [[Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei SMT]] game.
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