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18th May '17 8:05:33 PM Animeking1108
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* Animeking1108: Throughout most of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 5}}'', I tolerated Morgana and at least considered him an improvement over Teddie. However, my goodwill for the character was nearly squandered when [[spoiler: he ran away from the Phantom Thieves]]? Why? Because Ryuji kept calling him useless after Futaba took over as the MissionControl. Sure, that sounds understandable, but Morgana really shows off his Glass House when you remember that throughout most of the game, he kept berating Ryuji for every little mistake he made. This is only made worse when Ryuji is the only one that has to apologize to get him to come back, and despite that, Morgana still goes back to insulting Ryuji.
13th Dec '16 5:00:45 AM Animeking1108
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* Animeking1108: The last few hours were really when the plot of ''Persona 4'' started to get [[IdiotPlot stupid]], but I think one thing that infuriated me was [[spoiler: Nanako's death and resurrection]]. First, let's talk about how it triggers the events leading to either the good or bad ending. The game was basically using [[spoiler: the death of a child]] to [[StuffedInTheFridge emotionally manipulate the player into picking the bad ending]]. If you decide to [[spoiler: spare Namatame, Nanako comes back to life]]. First, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot it negated a potential moment of character development for the heroes, showing that they're not perfect enough to save the day every time]]. Second, [[UnfortunateImplications it's a huge slap in the face to people who actually had to bury their children or siblings]] by having the situation resolved with a ResetButton. Third, [[BrokenAesop it completely goes against the moral of Naoki and Hisano's Social Links]] about [[spoiler: coming to terms with the death of a loved one]]. [[AssPull Finally, there is no explanation behind this aside from]] ThePowerOfFriendship. I'd expect this kind of writing out of the kids' shows everyone here seems to like, not a fucking [[Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei SMT]] game. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTNP792ykYM I'll just let the Nostalgia Critic sum up my feelings on this scene]].

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* Animeking1108: The last few hours were really when the plot of ''Persona 4'' started to get [[IdiotPlot stupid]], but I think one thing that infuriated me was [[spoiler: Nanako's death and resurrection]]. First, let's talk about how it triggers the events leading to either the good or bad ending. The game was basically using [[spoiler: the death of a child]] to [[StuffedInTheFridge emotionally manipulate the player into picking the bad ending]]. If you decide to [[spoiler: spare Namatame, Nanako comes back to life]]. First, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot it negated a potential moment of character development for the heroes, showing that they're not perfect enough to save the day every time]]. Second, [[UnfortunateImplications it's a huge slap in the face to people who actually had to bury their children or siblings]] by having the situation resolved with a ResetButton. Third, [[BrokenAesop it completely goes against the moral of Naoki and Hisano's Yosuke's Social Links]] Links]], as well as the entirety of ''Persona 3'', about [[spoiler: coming to terms with the death of a loved one]]. [[AssPull Finally, there is no explanation behind this aside from]] ThePowerOfFriendship. ''Persona 3'' may have done something similar with [[spoiler: Chidori]], but that gets a pass for two reasons: 1. That scene was optional and wasn't integral to getting the Good Ending. 2. ''The Answer'' reveals that that scene wasn't canon anyway. I'd expect this kind of writing out of the kids' shows everyone here seems to like, not a fucking [[Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei SMT]] game. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTNP792ykYM I'll just let the Nostalgia Critic sum up my feelings on this scene]].
28th Sep '16 2:58:53 PM Gene0129
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* Gene0129: The fact that [[{{Yandere}} Aigis]] [[KarmaHoudini never receives any true comeuppance for stalking the MC and trespassing into his territory]] made me relatively sick. Even worse is how Atlus expects us to see this as anything other than creepy and she immediately ends up a massive scrappy for me.
1st Sep '16 12:36:10 AM matteste
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** Tropers/LucaEarlgrey: The hot springs scene. So Yuu and his male company walk into the hot springs for a relaxing soak, sincerely believing that the spring is empty and is now on males-only hours, only to accidentally walk in on their female friends still splashing around. Chie and company immediately strike back at the guys, interpreting it as an act of perversion. After the guys flee, the girls then realize that they had stayed too long and were bathing well past their timeslot into the men's timeslot... then scoff it off and continue to bathe anyway. Easily the worst and dumbest scene in the entire game, and a sterling example of DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale, and I was so pissed off that the next day I went into the TV and committed the Shadow equivalent of SuicideByCop.
*** {{Ecclytennysmithylove}}: I agree. To drive the DMOS further, let's compare the Persona 4 hot spring episode with a similar hot spring episode of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', in which the P3 boys stayed in the spring past their timeslot into the women's timeslot. In that episode, the P3 boys receiving DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale from the P3 girls (that is, if you fail the stealth-action minigame) actually works because of Ryoji and Junpei's dumb idea for the P3 boys to stay in the spring passed the allotted time for men, and therefore the P3 boys got punished for their actions. In the Persona 4 hot spring episode, however, it's gender-reversed and since no reasonable adults (i.e. Yukiko's parents because they're the owners of, y'know, the Amagi Hot Spring Inn) informed the P4 girls that their time in the spring is up, there is no reason as to why the P4 boys deserved abuse from the P4 girls.
*** jake38: I have to admit, I love persona 4 and consider it one of my favorite JRPG'S, but I found the entire Amagi Inn scene to be the worst scene in the entire game, as it just made the whole group look like a bunch of assholes.

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** * Tropers/LucaEarlgrey: The hot springs scene. So Yuu and his male company walk into the hot springs for a relaxing soak, sincerely believing that the spring is empty and is now on males-only hours, only to accidentally walk in on their female friends still splashing around. Chie and company immediately strike back at the guys, interpreting it as an act of perversion. After the guys flee, the girls then realize that they had stayed too long and were bathing well past their timeslot into the men's timeslot... then scoff it off and continue to bathe anyway. Easily the worst and dumbest scene in the entire game, and a sterling example of DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale, and I was so pissed off that the next day I went into the TV and committed the Shadow equivalent of SuicideByCop.
*** ** {{Ecclytennysmithylove}}: I agree. To drive the DMOS further, let's compare the Persona 4 hot spring episode with a similar hot spring episode of ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'', in which the P3 boys stayed in the spring past their timeslot into the women's timeslot. In that episode, the P3 boys receiving DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale from the P3 girls (that is, if you fail the stealth-action minigame) actually works because of Ryoji and Junpei's dumb idea for the P3 boys to stay in the spring passed the allotted time for men, and therefore the P3 boys got punished for their actions. In the Persona 4 hot spring episode, however, it's gender-reversed and since no reasonable adults (i.e. Yukiko's parents because they're the owners of, y'know, the Amagi Hot Spring Inn) informed the P4 girls that their time in the spring is up, there is no reason as to why the P4 boys deserved abuse from the P4 girls.
*** ** jake38: I have to admit, I love persona 4 and consider it one of my favorite JRPG'S, but I found the entire Amagi Inn scene to be the worst scene in the entire game, as it just made the whole group look like a bunch of assholes.
28th Aug '16 10:35:27 PM MoonlightBomber
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The following moments in the ''Persona'' series will make you wonder if the folks at Creator/{{Atlus}} were under the influence of their Shadows when they implemented these.
15th Jun '16 8:39:38 AM Berrenta
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25th Feb '16 8:14:17 PM Animeking1108
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* Please make sure the moment is fictional and is neither an event that occured in real life nor something gameplay-related. We have a perfectly good ScrappyMechanic page for the latter.

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* Animeking1108: The last few hours were really when the plot of ''Persona 4'' started to get [[IdiotPlot stupid]], but I think one thing that infuriated me was [[spoiler: Nanako's death and resurrection]]. First, let's talk about how it triggers the events leading to either the good or bad ending. The game was basically using [[spoiler: the death of a child]] to [[StuffedInTheFridge emotionally manipulate the player into picking the bad ending]]. If you decide to [[spoiler: spare Namatame, Nanako comes back to life]]. First, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot it negated a potential moment of character development for the heroes, showing that they're not perfect enough to save the day every time]]. Second, [[UnfortunateImplications it's a huge slap in the face to parents who actually had to bury their children]] by having the situation resolved with a ResetButton. [[AssPull Finally, there is no explanation behind this aside from]] ThePowerOfFriendship. I'd expect this kind of writing out of the kids' shows everyone here seems to like, not a fucking [[Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei SMT]] game.

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* Animeking1108: The last few hours were really when the plot of ''Persona 4'' started to get [[IdiotPlot stupid]], but I think one thing that infuriated me was [[spoiler: Nanako's death and resurrection]]. First, let's talk about how it triggers the events leading to either the good or bad ending. The game was basically using [[spoiler: the death of a child]] to [[StuffedInTheFridge emotionally manipulate the player into picking the bad ending]]. If you decide to [[spoiler: spare Namatame, Nanako comes back to life]]. First, [[TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodPlot it negated a potential moment of character development for the heroes, showing that they're not perfect enough to save the day every time]]. Second, [[UnfortunateImplications it's a huge slap in the face to parents people who actually had to bury their children]] children or siblings]] by having the situation resolved with a ResetButton. Third, [[BrokenAesop it completely goes against the moral of Naoki and Hisano's Social Links]] about [[spoiler: coming to terms with the death of a loved one]]. [[AssPull Finally, there is no explanation behind this aside from]] ThePowerOfFriendship. I'd expect this kind of writing out of the kids' shows everyone here seems to like, not a fucking [[Franchise/ShinMegamiTensei SMT]] game. [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTNP792ykYM I'll just let the Nostalgia Critic sum up my feelings on this scene]].
22nd Jan '16 4:03:25 AM KhlavKalash
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* Tropers/{{Demonsead}}: Near the end of The Answer, a PlayableEpilogue included in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' [[UpdatedRerelease FES]], after finally getting through the hell that was The Abyss of Time, each member of SEES(except Metis) is given a key that would allow them to either leave the dorm (which would make the Abyss disappear) or use the door the the [[SilentProtagonist Main Character's]] dorm room (which is impossible to open normally for some reason) to travel back in time to [[spoiler:the date of their final battle against the Nyx Avatar.]] Everyone is in agreement to leave... except [[ImpliedLoveInterest Yukari]], who wanted to use the keys to [[spoiler:save the Main Character's life.]] This leads to a disagreement about whether it was right or not to [[spoiler:undo his death, both for ethical reasons and for the possibility of fighting the Nyx Avatar again, and possibly losing.]] Yukari ignores all of this, [[HannibalLecture says Junpei is just afraid to die]], Calls [[ChangingOfTheGuard Aigis]] out on [[spoiler:not saying goodbye with the rest of SEES to the Protagonist after he died]], says everyone else only cares about themselves, and single-handedly causes SEES to fight for the keys with the winner having them all. All of this unnecessary drama could have been avoided if she just accepted the past and the action of the Main Character like everyone else and just left the dorm, goddammit Yukari.

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* Tropers/{{Demonsead}}: Near the end of The Answer, a PlayableEpilogue included in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' [[UpdatedRerelease FES]], after finally getting through the hell that was The Abyss of Time, each member of SEES(except SEES (except Metis) is given a key that would allow them to either leave the dorm (which would make the Abyss disappear) or use the door the the [[SilentProtagonist Main Character's]] dorm room (which is impossible to open normally for some reason) to travel back in time to [[spoiler:the date of their final battle against the Nyx Avatar.]] Everyone is in agreement to leave... except [[ImpliedLoveInterest Yukari]], who wanted to use the keys to [[spoiler:save the Main Character's life.]] This leads to a disagreement about whether it was right or not to [[spoiler:undo his death, both for ethical reasons and for the possibility of fighting the Nyx Avatar again, and possibly losing.]] Yukari ignores all of this, [[HannibalLecture says Junpei is just afraid to die]], Calls [[ChangingOfTheGuard Aigis]] out on [[spoiler:not saying goodbye with the rest of SEES to the Protagonist after he died]], says everyone else only cares about themselves, and single-handedly causes SEES to fight for the keys with the winner having them all. All of this unnecessary drama could have been avoided if she just accepted the past and the action of the Main Character like everyone else and just left the dorm, goddammit Yukari.
22nd Jan '16 2:32:23 AM KhlavKalash
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* Tropers/{{Demonsead}}: Near the end of The Answer, a PlayableEpilogue included in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' [[UpdatedRerelease FES]], after finally getting through the hell that was The Abyss of Time, each member of SEES(except Metis) is given a key that would allow them to either leave the dorm(which would make the Abyss disappear) or use the door the the [[SilentProtagonist Main Character's]] dorm room(which is impossible to open normally for some reason) to travel back in time to [[spoiler:the date of their final battle against the Nyx Avatar.]] Everyone is in agreement to leave....except [[ImpliedLoveInterest Yukari]], who wanted to use the keys to [[spoiler:save the Main Character's life.]] This leads to a disagreement about whether it was right or not to [[spoiler:undo his death, both for ethical reasons and for the possibility of fighting the Nyx Avatar again, and possibly losing.]] Yukari ignores all of this, [[HannibalLecture says Junpei is just afraid to die]], Calls [[ChangingOfTheGuard Aigis]] out on [[spoiler:not saying goodbye with the rest of SEES to the Protagonist after he died]], says everyone else only cares about themselves, and single-handedly causes SEES to fight for the keys with the winner having them all. All of this unnecessary drama could have been avoided if she just accepted the past and the action of the Main Character like everyone else and just left the dorm, goddammit Yukari.
** Tropers/{{Hoki}} : For me, it was not Yukari's decision to fight for the keys to go back in time [[spoiler: and save the Main Character's life]] that was the moment of suck (her grief was partly understandable). It was the fact that the supposed smartest person in the group backed her up for no apparent reason (other than probably having an even playing field) knowing full well of the possible implications of going back in time. So much for being an honor student.

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* Tropers/{{Demonsead}}: Near the end of The Answer, a PlayableEpilogue included in ''VideoGame/{{Persona 3}}'' [[UpdatedRerelease FES]], after finally getting through the hell that was The Abyss of Time, each member of SEES(except Metis) is given a key that would allow them to either leave the dorm(which dorm (which would make the Abyss disappear) or use the door the the [[SilentProtagonist Main Character's]] dorm room(which room (which is impossible to open normally for some reason) to travel back in time to [[spoiler:the date of their final battle against the Nyx Avatar.]] Everyone is in agreement to leave....leave... except [[ImpliedLoveInterest Yukari]], who wanted to use the keys to [[spoiler:save the Main Character's life.]] This leads to a disagreement about whether it was right or not to [[spoiler:undo his death, both for ethical reasons and for the possibility of fighting the Nyx Avatar again, and possibly losing.]] Yukari ignores all of this, [[HannibalLecture says Junpei is just afraid to die]], Calls [[ChangingOfTheGuard Aigis]] out on [[spoiler:not saying goodbye with the rest of SEES to the Protagonist after he died]], says everyone else only cares about themselves, and single-handedly causes SEES to fight for the keys with the winner having them all. All of this unnecessary drama could have been avoided if she just accepted the past and the action of the Main Character like everyone else and just left the dorm, goddammit Yukari.
** Tropers/{{Hoki}} : Tropers/{{Hoki}}: For me, it was not Yukari's decision to fight for the keys to go back in time [[spoiler: and save the Main Character's life]] that was the moment of suck (her grief was partly understandable). It was the fact that the supposed smartest person in the group backed her up for no apparent reason (other than probably having an even playing field) knowing full well of the possible implications of going back in time. So much for being an honor student.



** Tropers/LucaEarlgrey: The hot springs scene. So Yuu and his male company walk into the hot springs for a relaxing soak, sincerely believing that the spring is empty and is now on males-only hours, only to accidentally walk in on their female friends still splashing around. Chie and company immediately strike back at the guys, interpreting it as an act of perversion. After the guys flee, the girls then realize that they had stayed too long and were bathing well past their timeslot into the men's timeslot...then scoff it off and continue to bathe anyway. Easily the worst and dumbest scene in the entire game, and a sterling example of DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale, and I was so pissed off that the next day I went into the TV and committed the Shadow equivalent of SuicideByCop.

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** Tropers/LucaEarlgrey: The hot springs scene. So Yuu and his male company walk into the hot springs for a relaxing soak, sincerely believing that the spring is empty and is now on males-only hours, only to accidentally walk in on their female friends still splashing around. Chie and company immediately strike back at the guys, interpreting it as an act of perversion. After the guys flee, the girls then realize that they had stayed too long and were bathing well past their timeslot into the men's timeslot... then scoff it off and continue to bathe anyway. Easily the worst and dumbest scene in the entire game, and a sterling example of DoubleStandardAbuseFemaleOnMale, and I was so pissed off that the next day I went into the TV and committed the Shadow equivalent of SuicideByCop.
17th Jan '16 9:49:58 AM brohaha
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**Brohaha: 100% agree with above troper about when Yukari storms out on SEES after Mitsuru admits the truth; I literally could not bring myself into watching that scene again when playing Portable that I just skipped through all the dialogue and picked whatever when prompted for dialogue choices.
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