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18th Jan '18 2:20:20 PM Supreme-X15
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* Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: Makoto is my favorite character in the game, and the one I wanted to date the most on my first playthrough. Unfortunately, I wasn't Debonair enough to get passed Makoto's third Confidant scenario, so I had to try to max my Charm out before I got to the end of the game, which didn't happen, so I had little choice but choose another girl to date, and then to beat the game to get a NewGamePlus, start the game again with my states as they were before, and max out my Charm like crazy before I started Makoto's Confidant again. Unfortunately, Makoto's Confidant did in fact turn out to be one of the weaker ones in the game, and that's because of Eiko Takao. Makoto is solely focused on her friendship with Eiko, leaving Makoto with little room development much on her own, and Eiko has a very, very bad case of TooDumbToLive. Eiko has bad grades, presumably thanks to putting more time and energy into working in a salon in Shinjuku, but that's not important. What's important about this Confidant is that she has a supposedly handsome (actually really gaudy) host for a boyfriend named Tsukasa, who showers her with so much love & affection it's sickening. The warning signs that Tsukasa is an evil son of a bitch are scattered everywhere, and Eiko utterly fails to pick up on them. He calls her Princess to avoid remembering her name in case he gets mixed, he isn't faithful to her as proven by texting an unwilling Makoto almost constantly and asking very personal questions, and asking Eiko for money to pay for a broken bottle of sake. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, can't see what's wrong with that]]. We later learn that he plans to sell her into sex slavery, as he's done with previous vulnerable girls like her, and Makoto wants to save her friend from this crisis. Sadly, Eiko is a terrible friend, and an idiot on top of that. She falls for the obvious lie about the broken bottle and asks Makoto to give her some money to help pay for it, refuses to believe Makoto's warnings about Tsukasa, accuses Makoto of trying to steal the bastard from her when the former clearly has no interest, and still refuses to accept that Tsukasa is a scumbag, even after everything is revealed, all because Tsukasa treated her like she was special while her family treats her as TheUnfavourite. I'm sorry Makoto, but I just can't accept this. Not only do you choose a poor excuse for a friend, you also let her so called boyfriend [[KarmaHoudini get away with his crimes]] in the end. And you magically fix everything in the end with your idiot friend? I just wanted to get to know you more and romance you, not help some brainless twit who probably deserved her fate and doesn't deserve your [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic sympathy]]. I can feel satisfied that I'm finally getting Makoto as my girlfriend for this playthrough, but it feels hollow now, and that's thanks to Eiko. I went through so much crap for this? Thank you Eiko, you lazy good-for-nothing dumbass, for ruining Makoto's Confidant and wasting my time on you.

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* Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: Makoto is my favorite character in the game, and the one I wanted to date the most on my first playthrough. Unfortunately, I wasn't Debonair enough to get passed Makoto's third Confidant scenario, so I had to try to max my Charm out before I got to the end of the game, which didn't happen, so I had little choice but choose another girl to date, and then to beat the game to get a NewGamePlus, start the game again with my states as they were before, and max out my Charm like crazy before I started Makoto's Confidant again. Unfortunately, Makoto's Confidant did in fact turn out to be one of the weaker ones in the game, and that's because of Eiko Takao. Makoto is solely focused on her friendship with Eiko, leaving Makoto with little room development much on her own, and Eiko has a very, very bad case of TooDumbToLive. Eiko has bad grades, presumably thanks to putting more time and energy into working in a salon in Shinjuku, but that's not important. What's important about this Confidant is that she has a supposedly handsome (actually really gaudy) host for a boyfriend named Tsukasa, who showers her with so much love & affection it's sickening. The warning signs that Tsukasa is an evil son of a bitch are scattered everywhere, and Eiko utterly fails to pick up on them. He calls her Princess to avoid remembering her name in case he gets mixed, mixed up, he isn't faithful to her as proven by texting an unwilling Makoto almost constantly and asking very personal questions, and asking Eiko for money to pay for a broken bottle of sake. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, can't see what's wrong with that]]. We later learn that he plans to sell her into sex slavery, as he's done with previous vulnerable girls like her, and Makoto wants to save her friend from this crisis. Sadly, Eiko is a terrible friend, and an idiot on top of that. She falls for the obvious lie about the broken bottle and asks Makoto to give her some money to help pay for it, refuses to believe Makoto's warnings about Tsukasa, accuses Makoto of trying to steal the bastard from her when the former clearly has no interest, and still refuses to accept that Tsukasa is a scumbag, even after everything is revealed, all because Tsukasa treated her like she was special while her family treats her as TheUnfavourite. I'm sorry Makoto, but I just can't accept this. Not only do you choose a poor excuse for a friend, you also let her so called boyfriend [[KarmaHoudini get away with his crimes]] in the end. And you magically fix everything in the end with your idiot friend? I just wanted to get to know you more and romance you, not help some brainless twit who probably deserved her fate and doesn't deserve your [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic sympathy]]. I can feel satisfied that I'm finally getting Makoto as my girlfriend for this playthrough, but it feels hollow now, and that's thanks to Eiko. I went through so much crap for this? Thank you Eiko, you lazy good-for-nothing dumbass, for ruining Makoto's Confidant and wasting my time on you.
18th Jan '18 2:19:21 PM Supreme-X15
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* Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: Makoto is my favorite character in the game, and the one I wanted to date the most on the first playthrough. Unfortunately, I wasn't Debonair enough to get pasted Makoto's third Confidant scenario, so I had to try to max my Charm out before I got to the end of the game, but I had little choice but choose another girl to date, and then to beat the game to get a NewGamePlus, start the game again with my states as they were before, and max out my Charm like crazy before I started Makoto's Confidant again. Unfortunately, Makoto's Confidant did in fact turn out to be one of the weaker ones in the game, and that's because of Eiko Takao. Makoto is solely focused on her friendship with Eiko, leaving Makoto with little room development much on her own, and Eiko has a very, very bad case of TooDumbToLive. Eiko has bad grades, presumably thanks to putting more time and energy into working in a salon in Shinjuku, but that's not important. What's important about this Confidant, is that she has a handsome host for a boyfriend named Tsukasa, who showers her with so much love & affection it's sickening. The warning signs that Tsukasa is an evil son of a bitch are scattered everywhere, and Eiko utterly fails to pick up on them. He calls her Princess to avoid remembering her name, he isn't faithful to her as proven by texting an unwilling Makoto almost constantly, and asking Eiko for money to pay for a broken bottle of sake. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, can't see what's wrong with that]]. We later learn that he plans to sell her into sex slavery, as he's done with previous vulnerable girls like her, and Makoto wants to save her friend from this crisis. Sadly, Eiko is a terrible friend, and an idiot on up top of that. She falls for the obvious lie about the broken bottle and asks Makoto to give her some money to help pay for it, refuses to believe Makoto's warnings about Tsukasa, accuses Makoto of trying to steal the bastard from her when the former clearly has no interest, and still refuses to accept that Tsukasa is a scumbag, after everything is revealed, all because Tsukasa treated her like she was special while her family treats her as TheUnfavourite. I'm sorry Makoto, but I just can't accept this. Not only do you choose a poor excuse for a friend, you also let her so called boyfriend [[KarmaHoudini get away with his crimes]] in the end. And you magically fix everything in the end with your idiot friend? I just wanted to get to know you more and romance you, not help some brainless twit who probably deserved her fate. I can feel satisfied that I'm finally getting Makoto as my girlfriend for this playthrough, but it feels hollow now, and that's thanks to Eiko. I went through so much crap for this? Thank you Eiko, you lazy good-for-nothing dumbass, for ruining Makoto's Confidant and wasting my time on you.

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* Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: Makoto is my favorite character in the game, and the one I wanted to date the most on the my first playthrough. Unfortunately, I wasn't Debonair enough to get pasted passed Makoto's third Confidant scenario, so I had to try to max my Charm out before I got to the end of the game, but which didn't happen, so I had little choice but choose another girl to date, and then to beat the game to get a NewGamePlus, start the game again with my states as they were before, and max out my Charm like crazy before I started Makoto's Confidant again. Unfortunately, Makoto's Confidant did in fact turn out to be one of the weaker ones in the game, and that's because of Eiko Takao. Makoto is solely focused on her friendship with Eiko, leaving Makoto with little room development much on her own, and Eiko has a very, very bad case of TooDumbToLive. Eiko has bad grades, presumably thanks to putting more time and energy into working in a salon in Shinjuku, but that's not important. What's important about this Confidant, Confidant is that she has a supposedly handsome (actually really gaudy) host for a boyfriend named Tsukasa, who showers her with so much love & affection it's sickening. The warning signs that Tsukasa is an evil son of a bitch are scattered everywhere, and Eiko utterly fails to pick up on them. He calls her Princess to avoid remembering her name, name in case he gets mixed, he isn't faithful to her as proven by texting an unwilling Makoto almost constantly, constantly and asking very personal questions, and asking Eiko for money to pay for a broken bottle of sake. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, can't see what's wrong with that]]. We later learn that he plans to sell her into sex slavery, as he's done with previous vulnerable girls like her, and Makoto wants to save her friend from this crisis. Sadly, Eiko is a terrible friend, and an idiot on up top of that. She falls for the obvious lie about the broken bottle and asks Makoto to give her some money to help pay for it, refuses to believe Makoto's warnings about Tsukasa, accuses Makoto of trying to steal the bastard from her when the former clearly has no interest, and still refuses to accept that Tsukasa is a scumbag, even after everything is revealed, all because Tsukasa treated her like she was special while her family treats her as TheUnfavourite. I'm sorry Makoto, but I just can't accept this. Not only do you choose a poor excuse for a friend, you also let her so called boyfriend [[KarmaHoudini get away with his crimes]] in the end. And you magically fix everything in the end with your idiot friend? I just wanted to get to know you more and romance you, not help some brainless twit who probably deserved her fate.fate and doesn't deserve your [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic sympathy]]. I can feel satisfied that I'm finally getting Makoto as my girlfriend for this playthrough, but it feels hollow now, and that's thanks to Eiko. I went through so much crap for this? Thank you Eiko, you lazy good-for-nothing dumbass, for ruining Makoto's Confidant and wasting my time on you.
26th Dec '17 12:22:42 AM Supreme-X15
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* Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: Makoto is my favorite character in the game, and the one I wanted to date the most on the first playthrough. Unfortunately, I wasn't Debonair enough to get pasted Makoto's third Confidant scenario, so I had to try to max my Charm out before I got to the end of the game, but I had little choice but choose another girl to date, and then to beat the game to get a NewGamePlus, start the game again with my states as they were before, and max out my Charm like crazy before I started Makoto's Confidant again. Unfortunately, Makoto's Confidant did in fact turn out to be one of the weaker ones in the game, and that's because of Eiko Takao. Makoto is solely focused on her friendship with Eiko to development much on her own, and Eiko has a very bad case of TooDumbToLive. She has bad grades, presumably thanks to putting more time and energy into working in a salon in Shinjuku, but that's not important. What's important about this Confidant, is that Eiko has a handsome host for a boyfriend named Tsukasa, who showers her with so much love it's sickening. The warning signs that Tsukasa is an evil son of a bitch are scattered everywhere, and Eiko utterly fails to pick up on them. He calls her Princess to avoid remembering her name, he isn't faithful to her as proven by texting an unwilling Makoto almost constantly, and asking Eiko for money to pay for a broken bottle of sake. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, can't see what's wrong with that]]. We later learn that he plans to sell her into sex slavery, as he's done with previous vulnerable girls like her, and Makoto wants to save her friend from this crisis. Sadly, Eiko is a terrible friend, and an idiot on up top of that. She asks Makoto to give her some money for the "broke bottle", refuses to believe Makoto's warnings about Tsukasa, accuses her of trying to steal the bastard from her, and still refuses to accept that Tsukasa is a scumbag, after everything is revealed, all because Tsukasa treated her like she was special. I'm sorry Makoto, but I just can't accept this. Not only do you choose a poor excuse for a friend, you also let her so called boyfriend [[KarmaHoudini get away with his crimes]] in the end. And you magically fix everything in the end with your idiot friend? I just wanted to get to know you more and romance you, not help some brainless twit who probably deserved her fate. I can feel satisfied that I'm finally getting Makoto as my girlfriend for this playthrough, but it feels hollow now, and that's thanks to Eiko. I went through so much crap for this? Thank you Eiko, you lazy good-for-nothing dumbass, for ruining Makoto's Confidant and wasting my time on you.

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* Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: Makoto is my favorite character in the game, and the one I wanted to date the most on the first playthrough. Unfortunately, I wasn't Debonair enough to get pasted Makoto's third Confidant scenario, so I had to try to max my Charm out before I got to the end of the game, but I had little choice but choose another girl to date, and then to beat the game to get a NewGamePlus, start the game again with my states as they were before, and max out my Charm like crazy before I started Makoto's Confidant again. Unfortunately, Makoto's Confidant did in fact turn out to be one of the weaker ones in the game, and that's because of Eiko Takao. Makoto is solely focused on her friendship with Eiko to Eiko, leaving Makoto with little room development much on her own, and Eiko has a very, very bad case of TooDumbToLive. She Eiko has bad grades, presumably thanks to putting more time and energy into working in a salon in Shinjuku, but that's not important. What's important about this Confidant, is that Eiko she has a handsome host for a boyfriend named Tsukasa, who showers her with so much love & affection it's sickening. The warning signs that Tsukasa is an evil son of a bitch are scattered everywhere, and Eiko utterly fails to pick up on them. He calls her Princess to avoid remembering her name, he isn't faithful to her as proven by texting an unwilling Makoto almost constantly, and asking Eiko for money to pay for a broken bottle of sake. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, can't see what's wrong with that]]. We later learn that he plans to sell her into sex slavery, as he's done with previous vulnerable girls like her, and Makoto wants to save her friend from this crisis. Sadly, Eiko is a terrible friend, and an idiot on up top of that. She falls for the obvious lie about the broken bottle and asks Makoto to give her some money to help pay for the "broke bottle", it, refuses to believe Makoto's warnings about Tsukasa, accuses her Makoto of trying to steal the bastard from her, her when the former clearly has no interest, and still refuses to accept that Tsukasa is a scumbag, after everything is revealed, all because Tsukasa treated her like she was special.special while her family treats her as TheUnfavourite. I'm sorry Makoto, but I just can't accept this. Not only do you choose a poor excuse for a friend, you also let her so called boyfriend [[KarmaHoudini get away with his crimes]] in the end. And you magically fix everything in the end with your idiot friend? I just wanted to get to know you more and romance you, not help some brainless twit who probably deserved her fate. I can feel satisfied that I'm finally getting Makoto as my girlfriend for this playthrough, but it feels hollow now, and that's thanks to Eiko. I went through so much crap for this? Thank you Eiko, you lazy good-for-nothing dumbass, for ruining Makoto's Confidant and wasting my time on you.
19th Dec '17 1:01:44 PM Supreme-X15
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* Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: Makoto is my favorite character in the game, and the one I wanted to date the most on the first playthrough. Unfortunately, I wasn't Debonair enough to get pasted Makoto's third Confidant scenario, so I had to try to max my Charm out before I got to the end of the game, but I had little choice but choose another girl to date, and then to beat game to get a NewGamePlus, start the game again with my states as they were before, and max out my Charm like crazy before I started Makoto's Confidant again. Unfortunately, Makoto's Confidant did in fact turned out to be one of the weaker ones in the game, that's because of Eiko. Makoto is solely focused on her friendship with Eiko to development much on her own, and Eiko has a bad case of TooDumbToLive. She has bad grades, thanks to putting more time and energy into working in a salon in Shinjuku, but that's not important. What's important about this Confidant, is that Eiko has a handsome host for a boyfriend named Tsukasa, who showers her with so much love it's sickening. The warning signs that Tsukasa is an evil son of a bitch are scattered everywhere, and Eiko utterly fails to pick up on them. He calls her Princess to avoid remembering her name, he isn't faithful to her as proven by texting an unwilling Makoto almost constantly, and asking Eiko for money to pay for a broken bottle of sake. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, can't see what's wrong with that]]. We later learn that he plans to sell her into sex slavery, as he's done with previous vulnerable girls like her, and Makoto wants to save her friend from this crisis. Sadly, Eiko is a terrible friend, and an idiot up top of that. She asks Makoto to give her some money for the "broke bottle", refuses to believe Makoto's warnings about Tsukasa, accuses her of trying to still the bastard from her, and still refuses to accept that Tsukasa is a scumbag, after everything is revealed. I'm sorry Makoto, but I just can't accept this. Not only do you choose a poor excuse for a friend, you also let her boyfriend [[KarmaHoudini get away with his crimes]] in the end. And you magically fix everything in the end with your idiot friend? I just wanted to get to know you more and romance you, not help some brainless twit who probably deserved her fate. I can feel satisfied that I'm finally getting her as my girlfriend for this playthrough, but it feels hollow now, and that's thanks to Eiko. I went through so much crap for this? Thank you Eiko, you lazy good-for-nothing dumbass, for ruining Makoto's Confidant and wasting my time on you.

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* Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: Makoto is my favorite character in the game, and the one I wanted to date the most on the first playthrough. Unfortunately, I wasn't Debonair enough to get pasted Makoto's third Confidant scenario, so I had to try to max my Charm out before I got to the end of the game, but I had little choice but choose another girl to date, and then to beat the game to get a NewGamePlus, start the game again with my states as they were before, and max out my Charm like crazy before I started Makoto's Confidant again. Unfortunately, Makoto's Confidant did in fact turned turn out to be one of the weaker ones in the game, and that's because of Eiko. Eiko Takao. Makoto is solely focused on her friendship with Eiko to development much on her own, and Eiko has a very bad case of TooDumbToLive. She has bad grades, presumably thanks to putting more time and energy into working in a salon in Shinjuku, but that's not important. What's important about this Confidant, is that Eiko has a handsome host for a boyfriend named Tsukasa, who showers her with so much love it's sickening. The warning signs that Tsukasa is an evil son of a bitch are scattered everywhere, and Eiko utterly fails to pick up on them. He calls her Princess to avoid remembering her name, he isn't faithful to her as proven by texting an unwilling Makoto almost constantly, and asking Eiko for money to pay for a broken bottle of sake. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, can't see what's wrong with that]]. We later learn that he plans to sell her into sex slavery, as he's done with previous vulnerable girls like her, and Makoto wants to save her friend from this crisis. Sadly, Eiko is a terrible friend, and an idiot on up top of that. She asks Makoto to give her some money for the "broke bottle", refuses to believe Makoto's warnings about Tsukasa, accuses her of trying to still steal the bastard from her, and still refuses to accept that Tsukasa is a scumbag, after everything is revealed.revealed, all because Tsukasa treated her like she was special. I'm sorry Makoto, but I just can't accept this. Not only do you choose a poor excuse for a friend, you also let her so called boyfriend [[KarmaHoudini get away with his crimes]] in the end. And you magically fix everything in the end with your idiot friend? I just wanted to get to know you more and romance you, not help some brainless twit who probably deserved her fate. I can feel satisfied that I'm finally getting her Makoto as my girlfriend for this playthrough, but it feels hollow now, and that's thanks to Eiko. I went through so much crap for this? Thank you Eiko, you lazy good-for-nothing dumbass, for ruining Makoto's Confidant and wasting my time on you.
18th Dec '17 9:31:06 AM Supreme-X15
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* Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: Makoto is my favorite character in the game, and the one I wanted to date the most on the first playthrough. Unfortunately, I wasn't Debonair enough to get pasted Makoto's third Confidant scenario, so I had to try to max my Charm out before I got to the end of the game, but I had little choice but choose another girl to date, and then to beat game to get a NewGamePlus, start the game again with my states as they were before, and max out my Charm like crazy before I started Makoto's Confidant again. Unfortunately, Makoto's Confidant turned out to be one of the weaker ones in the game, that's because of Eiko. Makoto is solely focused on her friendship with Eiko to development much on her own, and Eiko has a bad case of TooDumbToLive. She has bad grades, thanks to putting more effort and energy into working in a salon in Shinjuku, but that's not important. What's important about this Confidant, is that Eiko has a handsome host for a boyfriend named Tsukasa, who showers her with so much love it's sickening. The warning signs that Tsukasa is an evil son of a bitch are scattered everywhere, and Eiko utterly fails to pick up on them. He calls her Princess to avoid remembering her name, he isn't faithful to her as proven by texting an unwilling Makoto almost constantly, and asking Eiko for money to pay for a broken bottle of sake. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, can't see what's wrong with that]]. We later learn that he plans to sell her into sex slavery, as he's done with previous vulnerable girls like her, and Makoto wants to save her friend from this crisis. Sadly, Eiko is a terrible friend, and an idiot up top of that. She asks Makoto to give her some money for the "broke bottle", refuses to believe Makoto's warnings about Tsukasa, accuses her of trying to still the bastard from her, and still refuses to accept that Tsukasa is a scumbag, after everything is revealed. I'm sorry Makoto, but I just can't accept this. Not only do you choose a poor excuse for a friend, you also let her boyfriend [[KarmaHoudini get away with his crimes]] in the end. And you magically fix everything in the end with your idiot friend? I just wanted to get to know you more and romance you, not help some brainless twit who probably deserved her fate. I can feel satisfied that I'm finally getting her as my girlfriend for this playthrough, but it feels hollow now, and that's thanks to Eiko. I went through so much crap for this? Thank you Eiko, you lazy good-for-nothing dumbass, for ruining Makoto's Confidant and wasting my time on you.

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* Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: Makoto is my favorite character in the game, and the one I wanted to date the most on the first playthrough. Unfortunately, I wasn't Debonair enough to get pasted Makoto's third Confidant scenario, so I had to try to max my Charm out before I got to the end of the game, but I had little choice but choose another girl to date, and then to beat game to get a NewGamePlus, start the game again with my states as they were before, and max out my Charm like crazy before I started Makoto's Confidant again. Unfortunately, Makoto's Confidant did in fact turned out to be one of the weaker ones in the game, that's because of Eiko. Makoto is solely focused on her friendship with Eiko to development much on her own, and Eiko has a bad case of TooDumbToLive. She has bad grades, thanks to putting more effort time and energy into working in a salon in Shinjuku, but that's not important. What's important about this Confidant, is that Eiko has a handsome host for a boyfriend named Tsukasa, who showers her with so much love it's sickening. The warning signs that Tsukasa is an evil son of a bitch are scattered everywhere, and Eiko utterly fails to pick up on them. He calls her Princess to avoid remembering her name, he isn't faithful to her as proven by texting an unwilling Makoto almost constantly, and asking Eiko for money to pay for a broken bottle of sake. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, can't see what's wrong with that]]. We later learn that he plans to sell her into sex slavery, as he's done with previous vulnerable girls like her, and Makoto wants to save her friend from this crisis. Sadly, Eiko is a terrible friend, and an idiot up top of that. She asks Makoto to give her some money for the "broke bottle", refuses to believe Makoto's warnings about Tsukasa, accuses her of trying to still the bastard from her, and still refuses to accept that Tsukasa is a scumbag, after everything is revealed. I'm sorry Makoto, but I just can't accept this. Not only do you choose a poor excuse for a friend, you also let her boyfriend [[KarmaHoudini get away with his crimes]] in the end. And you magically fix everything in the end with your idiot friend? I just wanted to get to know you more and romance you, not help some brainless twit who probably deserved her fate. I can feel satisfied that I'm finally getting her as my girlfriend for this playthrough, but it feels hollow now, and that's thanks to Eiko. I went through so much crap for this? Thank you Eiko, you lazy good-for-nothing dumbass, for ruining Makoto's Confidant and wasting my time on you.
18th Dec '17 1:44:53 AM Supreme-X15
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* Tropers/{{Supreme-X15}}: Makoto is my favorite character in the game, and the one I wanted to date the most on the first playthrough. Unfortunately, I wasn't Debonair enough to get pasted Makoto's third Confidant scenario, so I had to try to max my Charm out before I got to the end of the game, but I had little choice but choose another girl to date, and then to beat game to get a NewGamePlus, start the game again with my states as they were before, and max out my Charm like crazy before I started Makoto's Confidant again. Unfortunately, Makoto's Confidant turned out to be one of the weaker ones in the game, that's because of Eiko. Makoto is solely focused on her friendship with Eiko to development much on her own, and Eiko has a bad case of TooDumbToLive. She has bad grades, thanks to putting more effort and energy into working in a salon in Shinjuku, but that's not important. What's important about this Confidant, is that Eiko has a handsome host for a boyfriend named Tsukasa, who showers her with so much love it's sickening. The warning signs that Tsukasa is an evil son of a bitch are scattered everywhere, and Eiko utterly fails to pick up on them. He calls her Princess to avoid remembering her name, he isn't faithful to her as proven by texting an unwilling Makoto almost constantly, and asking Eiko for money to pay for a broken bottle of sake. [[SarcasmMode Yeah, can't see what's wrong with that]]. We later learn that he plans to sell her into sex slavery, as he's done with previous vulnerable girls like her, and Makoto wants to save her friend from this crisis. Sadly, Eiko is a terrible friend, and an idiot up top of that. She asks Makoto to give her some money for the "broke bottle", refuses to believe Makoto's warnings about Tsukasa, accuses her of trying to still the bastard from her, and still refuses to accept that Tsukasa is a scumbag, after everything is revealed. I'm sorry Makoto, but I just can't accept this. Not only do you choose a poor excuse for a friend, you also let her boyfriend [[KarmaHoudini get away with his crimes]] in the end. And you magically fix everything in the end with your idiot friend? I just wanted to get to know you more and romance you, not help some brainless twit who probably deserved her fate. I can feel satisfied that I'm finally getting her as my girlfriend for this playthrough, but it feels hollow now, and that's thanks to Eiko. I went through so much crap for this? Thank you Eiko, you lazy good-for-nothing dumbass, for ruining Makoto's Confidant and wasting my time on you.
27th Jun '17 8:58:56 PM immortalfrieza
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* Tropers/{{immortalfrieza}}: The social links are one of my favorite parts of the Persona series, but some of them really grates my nerves at the end due to how backwards their resolutions are and how they throw all the development of the social link character out the window. For example, Yukiko's shadow and most of her social link are predominantly about how she despises being expected to stay in Inaba and take over the Amagi Inn and deciding she's going to get out as soon as she can. To make a long story short, the social link ends when Yukiko ultimately decides that she's just being an ungrateful brat and decides to take over the Amagi Inn after all. This is despite the fact that her ENTIRE character development is devoted to how much she hates the idea of having to run that Inn, learning to stand up for herself, and not be put into the boxes other people want her to, something she is completely correct about, ValuesDissonance be damned.
20th Jun '17 1:43:42 AM matteste
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[[folder: Persona 4 Arena Ultimax]]
* Tropers/{{matteste}}: It seems to be near universally agreed that Ultimax was the absolute low point in the franchise writing wise, but perhaps the biggest moment of crap that stands out in the game to me was [[spoiler:the reveal of the main villain, Hi-no-Kagutsuchi. I'm gonna get the elephant in the room out first, namely the fact of him practically being a poor mans Nyarlathotep, copied of one of the series most beloved villains instead of trying to be more original. Now perhaps that biggest issue with him however, his goals and motivations. His goal? [[GenericDoomsdayVillain Destroy the world]]. And his motivation? [[LonersAreFreaks So he can be alone due to being an embodiment of loners]]. Not only does this come of as incredibly tame and just dumb, but he also has an issue that is not present with the other embodiment villains in the series that leads to all kinds of [[UnfortunateImplications unpleasant implications]]. Namely that unlike the past ones, he represents a specific and defined group instead of an element of humanity as a whole. And with how he is portrayed, the group becomes portrayed in the same manner. And just to [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking add insult to injury]], [[AnticlimaxBoss he practically goes down without a fight]] just to make Stu Narukami look better]].
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24th May '17 5:52:23 AM CalamityRaven26
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* Tropers/CalamityRaven26: Now don't get me wrong, I absolutely ''love'' Persona 4. Hell, Persona 4 Golden is in my top five games of all time! But I seriously need to call bullshit out even with the best of the best, especially in regards to my personal DMoS with this game, where [[spoiler: the Investigation Team attempts to kill Namatame and how you have to talk them out of it. I ''get'' that the team is irrational, especially after Nanako died, but seriously, they acted like complete idiots during that scene. Not only was it ''more'' obvious that something was off in regards to the situation than it was during the Mitsuo scene, but I wanted to ''punch'' Yosuke for thinking murdering somebody when we haven't even heard his side of the story yet. I get that people were angry over Nanako's death, but I was so irritated with this irrationality, as it's completely an OutOfCharacterMoment for the team. But what ''really'' ruins this scene for me is the gameplay implications: in an {{Egregious}} case of GuideDangIt, you have to choose the ''exact response chain'' in order to avoid the second-worst ending. I understand that this game's message is all about the truth, but why make it possible to get a bad ending when incorrectly guessing the killer the next day? Not only does it feel completely stupid on both the characters and developers' parts to make ONE innocent mistake automatically lead to the BadEnd, but it feels downright patronizing, given that the Investigation Team was completely under the control of the IdiotBall ''and'' how much of an insulting GuideDangIt it is.]] Persona 4 is a damn-near perfect game, but it's only ''near'' perfect because this one, shitty moment exists.

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* Tropers/CalamityRaven26: Tropers/{{CalamityRaven26}}: Now don't get me wrong, I absolutely ''love'' Persona 4. Hell, Persona 4 Golden is in my top five games of all time! But I seriously need to call bullshit out even with the best of the best, especially in regards to my personal DMoS DethroningMomentOfSuck with this game, where [[spoiler: the Investigation Team attempts to kill Namatame and how you have to talk them out of it. I ''get'' that the team is irrational, especially after Nanako died, but seriously, they acted like complete idiots during that scene. Not only was it ''more'' obvious that something was off in regards to the situation than it was during the Mitsuo scene, but I wanted to ''punch'' Yosuke for thinking murdering somebody when we haven't even heard his side of the story yet. I get that people were angry over Nanako's death, but I was so irritated with this irrationality, as it's completely an OutOfCharacterMoment for the team. But what ''really'' ruins this scene for me is the gameplay implications: in an {{Egregious}} case of GuideDangIt, you have to choose the ''exact response chain'' in order to avoid the second-worst ending. I understand that this game's message is all about the truth, but why make it possible to get a bad ending when incorrectly guessing the killer the next day? Not only does it feel completely stupid on both the characters and developers' parts to make ONE innocent mistake automatically lead to the BadEnd, but it feels downright patronizing, given that the Investigation Team was completely under the control of the IdiotBall ''and'' how much of an insulting GuideDangIt it is.]] Persona 4 is a damn-near perfect game, but it's only ''near'' perfect because this one, shitty moment exists.
24th May '17 5:51:35 AM CalamityRaven26
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* Tropers/CalamityRaven26: Now don't get me wrong, I absolutely ''love'' Persona 4. Hell, Persona 4 Golden is in my top five games of all time! But I seriously need to call bullshit out even with the best of the best, especially in regards to my personal DMoS with this game, where [[spoiler: the Investigation Team attempts to kill Namatame and how you have to talk them out of it. I ''get'' that the team is irrational, especially after Nanako died, but seriously, they acted like complete idiots during that scene. Not only was it ''more'' obvious that something was off in regards to the situation than it was during the Mitsuo scene, but I wanted to ''punch'' Yosuke for thinking murdering somebody when we haven't even heard his side of the story yet. I get that people were angry over Nanako's death, but I was so irritated with this irrationality, as it's completely an OutOfCharacterMoment for the team. But what ''really'' ruins this scene for me is the gameplay implications: in an {{Egregious}} case of GuideDangIt, you have to choose the ''exact response chain'' in order to avoid the second-worst ending. I understand that this game's message is all about the truth, but why make it possible to get a bad ending when incorrectly guessing the killer the next day? Not only does it feel completely stupid on both the characters and developers' parts to make ONE innocent mistake automatically lead to the BadEnd, but it feels downright patronizing, given that the Investigation Team was completely under the control of the IdiotBall ''and'' how much of an insulting GuideDangIt it is.]] Persona 4 is a damn-near perfect game, but it's only ''near'' perfect because this one, shitty moment exists.
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