History DethroningMoment / Naruto

17th Jul '17 8:37:19 AM ajr1218
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* [=ajr1218=]: Tobi's true identity. Note that I am not spoiling this as the answer is [[TheUntwist so goddamn obvious]] and so base-breaking that it almost ruined the entire series for me (and I enjoy this series a lot), but let's just say it was not only completely obvious, but utterly implausible. Congrats, Kishimoto, you have a lot of freakin' explaining to do.


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* Tropers/{{ajr1218}}: Guy's fight against Madara, for two reasons: 1) The animation, and 2) the end result. Aside from the Night Guy, which turned out pretty [[AnimationBump kickass]] despite the Anime Time pace, Guy's prior 7th and 8th gate assaults were '''very''' poorly animated, made even more inexcusable by the months worth of filler beforehand. If Studio Pierrot were a respectable animation studio, they would have used the filler time to allow quality animators to do these ''very plot-critical'' scenes months in advance, rather that just [[CashCowFranchise milking the show]] and using their top animators for their shitty filler episodes. Secondly, the fact that Kishimoto made Guy's final kick connect [[ATeamFiring a few inches too far to the left]], completely sparing his heart and allowing his HealingFactor to kick in full gear, bringing him back to working order in a matter of seconds. Made even more insulting with Naruto coming in and overpowering Madara even faster than Guy, leading to the Tree ([[GiantSpaceFleaFromNowhere Kaguya's]] will) having Madara absorb it. Yes, even though there was a backup available for Madara, Guy's fight was copped out so that Naruto can steal the spotlight. Also, the way Naruto "healed" Guy is no better than [[RevengeOfTheSith the Sith's life-force stabilization]]. Guy was essentially [[AndIMustScream forced to live for 2 or so years of debilitating full-body 4th-degree burns that somehow managed to heal on their own]] (perhaps his time in the Infinite Tsukoyumi helped). Made even more insulting by the fact that Naruto has Kurama in him, known for its insane HealingFactor rivaling Madara's. Had Naruto used Kurama's power on Guy as well, he would have ended up in better shape... though at least 2 decades older due to the mass-scale cellular reconstruction.
31st May '17 6:48:51 PM ILikeRobots
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** {{Tropers/I Like Robots}}: I used to genuinely love this series. Early in its life ''Naruto'' caught my eye and felt like a breath of fresh air in comparison to other shonen series at the time. The series felt small, intimate and personal -- the stakes were relatively low in comparison to the planet-destroying conflicts of something like ''Manga/DragonBallZ'', the battles much more strategic than forceful, and the world more alive than other series I had read or seen. Naruto himself was a unique protagonist, in that he was the absolute ''epitome'' of ScrewDestiny, triumphing over genius and specially-powered person alike through sheer determination and will. The setup was great: Naruto was meant to be the hardworking everykid, unskilled and unrefined, without a special name or bloodline to fall back on, trying to make a name for himself in a world that either despised or looked down on him. Sasuke, as his {{foil}} and [[TheRival rival]] was meant to be the naturally talented one, the one with the prestigious bloodline and special powers. Granted, TheReveal that Naruto was the son of the Fourth Hokage started the trend of destroying the whole "Naruto is a normal kid" thing, and while the Nine-Tails gave him something of a leg up on others in the first place[[note]]Though it was lessened with the fact that he could not consciously control it at first[[/note]], it wasn't until the reveal that he is the reincarnation of Ashura and ''is'' in fact, part of a world- and ages-spanning prophecy that [[BrokenAesop the most important, central aesop of the series was torpedoed into oblivion]], and it all went downhill from there. Naruto and Sasuke kept getting special power up after special power up, the majority of other characters ceased being relevant due to being unable to come ''close'' to the marks set by Naruto and Sasuke, people started throwing mountain-sized attacks, flying, and the like, and it stopped even resembling the manga it had once been. Honestly, in my opinion, Kishimoto had a promising and interesting setup, but slowly drained ''Naruto'' of all of its good writing and entertainment value, not to mention its moral lessons. If Kishimoto wanted to avoid breaking his own aesop of "hard work trumps natural talent" and "ordinary people can be just as, if not more, powerful than those with special abilities," then [[BadassNormal Rock Lee]] should have been the protagonist of the series. [[ButtMonkey And we all know how the series treats him.]]
20th Mar '17 4:55:49 PM Typos
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20th Mar '17 4:55:06 PM Typos
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* Typos: During the Hidan and Kakuzu Arc, Team 7 convenes at Kakashi's bedside to talk about next steps for reaching Sasuke. Sakura reveals the research she's been doing and asks what they can do. Kakashi reveals training for Naruto that both he and Yamato will be helping him on... leaving absolutely no consideration or training at all for Sakura. Really? BOTH instructors need to work with Naruto, and neither can be spared for Sakura?! That was bad enough, but then it got worse: when Team 10 went to avenge Asuma, Team 7 went after them as backup. OK, cool, with the exception of Shikamaru, it looks like we're gonna have some teamwork, right...? Uh, NOPE! Naruto gives his "hazardous bridge" talk to Kakashi, which translates to saying "I need to defeat this enemy alone so as to show off my new jutsu, even though he's technically Team 10's quarry!" and Kakashi eye-crinkles and says yes! As in, they pissed all over their "teamwork" theme that Kakashi preaches and Team 10 usually embodies! That was when I realized that Kishimoto really and truly didn't give a damn about teamwork and favored out-of-nowhere power-ups over character development, and that's when the manga went down the dumper for me. Sadly, I was proven right as the rest of the manga progressed.
10th Mar '17 10:17:28 AM KantonKage
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* [=KantonKage=]: Chapter 9 of ''Manga/RockLeesSpringtimeOfYouth'' was simply turning Hinata into TheChewToy; she gets peed on, having multiple people crash into her, she's also in her AscendedFanon {{Flanderization}} meaning she passes out when she sees Naruto at the end. Who gets attacked by Neji for no reason.

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* [=KantonKage=]: Chapter 9 of ''Manga/RockLeesSpringtimeOfYouth'' Tropers/{{KantonKage}}: I was simply turning Hinata into TheChewToy; she gets peed on, having multiple people crash into her, she's also in her AscendedFanon {{Flanderization}} meaning she passes out when she sees Naruto at hard pressed to see which Uchiha redemption story I found to be complete bullshit. Then it hit me, it was Hashirama calling Itachi's better than him, seriously [[PunctuatedForEmphasis What! The! Fuck!]]. So all of a sudden the end. Who gets attacked by Neji guy who {{Mind Rape}}d his brother for no reason.three days straight twice and killed his girlfriend. Yet for some reason, he is this saintly hero who sacrificed everything for our sins.
26th Jul '16 3:20:44 PM Anddrix
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* Tropers/RayneCyro: [[{{Asspull}} The Great Snake Escape.]] Let's run through the checklist: Killing off my favorite Akatsuki character not named Pain? Check. Having him die pointlessly? Check. Having him lose to [[BaseBreaker Sasuke?]] Check. Having Sasuke win by breaking the established rules of canon and pulling off something that shouldn't be possible for even the Fourth Hokage? Check.
* [=ajr1218=]: Tobi's true identity. Note that I am not spoiling this as the answer is [[TheUntwist so goddamn obvious]] and so [[BaseBreaker base-breaking]] that it almost ruined the entire series for me (and I enjoy this series a lot), but let's just say it was not only completely obvious, but utterly implausible. Congrats, Kishimoto, you have a lot of freakin' explaining to do.

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* Tropers/RayneCyro: [[{{Asspull}} The Great Snake Escape.]] Let's run through the checklist: Killing off my favorite Akatsuki character not named Pain? Check. Having him die pointlessly? Check. Having him lose to [[BaseBreaker [[BaseBreakingCharacter Sasuke?]] Check. Having Sasuke win by breaking the established rules of canon and pulling off something that shouldn't be possible for even the Fourth Hokage? Check.
* [=ajr1218=]: Tobi's true identity. Note that I am not spoiling this as the answer is [[TheUntwist so goddamn obvious]] and so [[BaseBreaker base-breaking]] base-breaking that it almost ruined the entire series for me (and I enjoy this series a lot), but let's just say it was not only completely obvious, but utterly implausible. Congrats, Kishimoto, you have a lot of freakin' explaining to do.
15th Jun '16 7:49:24 AM Berrenta
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9th Jun '16 7:08:26 PM Berrenta
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14th Mar '16 3:51:49 AM KhlavKalash
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* [=JediMasterDraco=]: The last couple episodes of Pein's invasion are pure torture. Up until then, we'd seen Naruto kicking butt and using his brains and then Hinata comes in, not to fight Pein directly, but too fight him off long enough to free Naruto. This leads to her being defeated, almost killed, and Naruto going up to six-tails in rage. And then the fight scene, which should have been a beautiful moment to express just how much pain Naruto is in gets turned into something out of Tom and Jerry. Compare it to the last time Naruto allowed Kyuubi to take over ad tell me which one is better. Frickin ridiculous. And then we have Pein be instantly forgiven. Admittedly, it's more justified then in a lot of other cases in this series owing to him bringing all of Konoha's citizens back to life. Oh, and then Hinata's confession gets absolutely no resolution. It's times like this when I understand why people drink.

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* [=JediMasterDraco=]: The last couple episodes of Pein's invasion are pure torture. Up until then, we'd seen Naruto kicking butt and using his brains and then Hinata comes in, not to fight Pein directly, but too to fight him off long enough to free Naruto. This leads to her being defeated, almost killed, and Naruto going up to six-tails in rage. And then the fight scene, which should have been a beautiful moment to express just how much pain Naruto is in gets turned into something out of Tom and Jerry. Compare it to the last time Naruto allowed Kyuubi to take over ad and tell me which one is better. Frickin ridiculous. And then we have Pein be instantly forgiven. Admittedly, it's more justified then than in a lot of other cases in this series owing to him bringing all of Konoha's citizens back to life. Oh, and then Hinata's confession gets absolutely no resolution. It's times like this when I understand why people drink.
14th Mar '16 3:47:48 AM KhlavKalash
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* Retloclive: The ending of the Pain Invasion arc not acknowledging Hinata's attempt to save Naruto's life. Naruto returns to the village upon defeating Pain, he gets a hug from Sakura while the crowd cheers his return... and Hinata just stands and watches. Ya, thanks Kishi, way to make Naruto come off like an UngratefulBastard.
* [=JediMasterDraco=]: The last couple episodes of Pein's invasion are pure torture. Up until then, we'd seen Naruto kicking butt and using his brains and then Hinata comes in, not to fight Pein directly, but too fight him off long enough to free Naruto. This leads to her being defeated, almost killed, and Naruto going up to six-tails in rage. And then the fight scene, which should have been a beautiful moment to express just how much pain Naruto is in gets turned into something out of Tom and Jerry. Compare it to the last time Naruto allowed Kyuubi to take over ad tell me which one is better. Frickin ridiculous. And then we have Pein be instantly forgiven. Admittedly, it's more justified then in a lot of other cases in this series owing to him bringing all of Konoha's citizens back to life. Oh, and then Hinata's confession gets absolutely no resolution. It's times like this when I understand why people drink.
* Tropers/{{HeartlessandSoulless}}: Before the battle with Kakuzu, Kakashi teaches Naruto that doing training while using the kage bunshin jutsu is WAY faster (1 person = 1 hour of training and 1 person + 1 clone = 2 hours of training) and more effective; and if that were not enough, he specifically said that Naruto was the only one that could do it, because he has absurd amounts of chakra (ergo, he already knew about how the Uzumaki lineage/clan was special). I didn't pay this much mind until way after I was done with the manga, but as soon as it hit me, I was like: "[[WhatTheHellHero WHAT THE FUCK, KAKASHI]]? Why the hell didn't you teach this to Naruto before, you bastard? Didn't you thought it would ever be useful?". This is what actually broke the illusion of the Naruto manga to me. Sure, it has its cool moments, but I can never take it seriously as a narrative again.



* Retloclive: The ending of the Pain Invasion arc not acknowledging Hinata's attempt to save Naruto's life. Naruto returns to the village upon defeating Pain, he gets a hug from Sakura while the crowd cheers his return...and Hinata just stands and watches. Ya, thanks Kishi, way to make Naruto come off like an UngratefulBastard.
* [=JediMasterDraco=]: The last couple episodes of Pein's invasion are pure torture. Up until then, we'd seen Naruto kicking butt and using his brains and then Hinata comes in, not to fight Pein directly, but too fight him off long enough to free Naruto. This leads to her being defeated, almost killed, and Naruto going up to six-tails in rage. And then the fight scene, which should have been a beautiful moment to express just how much pain Naruto is in gets turned into something out of Tom and Jerry. Compare it to the last time Naruto allowed Kyuubi to take over ad tell me which one is better. Frickin ridiculous. And then we have Pein be instantly forgiven. Admittedly, it's more justified then in a lot of other cases in this series owing to him bringing all of Konoha's citizens back to life. Oh, and then Hinata's confession gets absolutely no resolution. It's times like this when I understand why people drink.
* Tropers/{{HeartlessandSoulless}}: Before the battle with Kakuzu, Kakashi teaches Naruto that doing training while using the kage bunshin jutsu is WAY faster (1 person = 1 hour of training and 1 person + 1 clone = 2 hours of training) and more effective; and if that were not enough, he specifically said that Naruto was the only one that could do it, because he has absurd amounts of chakra (ergo, he already knew about how the Uzumaki lineage/clan was special). I didn't pay this much mind until way after I was done with the manga, but as soon as it hit me, I was like: "[[WhatTheHellHero WHAT THE FUCK, KAKASHI]]? Why the hell didn't you teach this to Naruto before, you bastard? Didn't you thought it would ever be useful?". This is what actually broke the illusion of the Naruto manga to me. Sure, it has its cool moments, but I can never take it seriously as a narrative again.
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