History DethroningMoment / Naruto

14th Mar '16 3:51:49 AM KhlavKalash
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* [=JediMasterDraco=]: The last couple episodes of Pein's invasion are pure torture. Up until then, we'd seen Naruto kicking butt and using his brains and then Hinata comes in, not to fight Pein directly, but too fight him off long enough to free Naruto. This leads to her being defeated, almost killed, and Naruto going up to six-tails in rage. And then the fight scene, which should have been a beautiful moment to express just how much pain Naruto is in gets turned into something out of Tom and Jerry. Compare it to the last time Naruto allowed Kyuubi to take over ad tell me which one is better. Frickin ridiculous. And then we have Pein be instantly forgiven. Admittedly, it's more justified then in a lot of other cases in this series owing to him bringing all of Konoha's citizens back to life. Oh, and then Hinata's confession gets absolutely no resolution. It's times like this when I understand why people drink.

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* [=JediMasterDraco=]: The last couple episodes of Pein's invasion are pure torture. Up until then, we'd seen Naruto kicking butt and using his brains and then Hinata comes in, not to fight Pein directly, but too to fight him off long enough to free Naruto. This leads to her being defeated, almost killed, and Naruto going up to six-tails in rage. And then the fight scene, which should have been a beautiful moment to express just how much pain Naruto is in gets turned into something out of Tom and Jerry. Compare it to the last time Naruto allowed Kyuubi to take over ad and tell me which one is better. Frickin ridiculous. And then we have Pein be instantly forgiven. Admittedly, it's more justified then than in a lot of other cases in this series owing to him bringing all of Konoha's citizens back to life. Oh, and then Hinata's confession gets absolutely no resolution. It's times like this when I understand why people drink.
14th Mar '16 3:47:48 AM KhlavKalash
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* Retloclive: The ending of the Pain Invasion arc not acknowledging Hinata's attempt to save Naruto's life. Naruto returns to the village upon defeating Pain, he gets a hug from Sakura while the crowd cheers his return... and Hinata just stands and watches. Ya, thanks Kishi, way to make Naruto come off like an UngratefulBastard.
* [=JediMasterDraco=]: The last couple episodes of Pein's invasion are pure torture. Up until then, we'd seen Naruto kicking butt and using his brains and then Hinata comes in, not to fight Pein directly, but too fight him off long enough to free Naruto. This leads to her being defeated, almost killed, and Naruto going up to six-tails in rage. And then the fight scene, which should have been a beautiful moment to express just how much pain Naruto is in gets turned into something out of Tom and Jerry. Compare it to the last time Naruto allowed Kyuubi to take over ad tell me which one is better. Frickin ridiculous. And then we have Pein be instantly forgiven. Admittedly, it's more justified then in a lot of other cases in this series owing to him bringing all of Konoha's citizens back to life. Oh, and then Hinata's confession gets absolutely no resolution. It's times like this when I understand why people drink.
* Tropers/{{HeartlessandSoulless}}: Before the battle with Kakuzu, Kakashi teaches Naruto that doing training while using the kage bunshin jutsu is WAY faster (1 person = 1 hour of training and 1 person + 1 clone = 2 hours of training) and more effective; and if that were not enough, he specifically said that Naruto was the only one that could do it, because he has absurd amounts of chakra (ergo, he already knew about how the Uzumaki lineage/clan was special). I didn't pay this much mind until way after I was done with the manga, but as soon as it hit me, I was like: "[[WhatTheHellHero WHAT THE FUCK, KAKASHI]]? Why the hell didn't you teach this to Naruto before, you bastard? Didn't you thought it would ever be useful?". This is what actually broke the illusion of the Naruto manga to me. Sure, it has its cool moments, but I can never take it seriously as a narrative again.



* Retloclive: The ending of the Pain Invasion arc not acknowledging Hinata's attempt to save Naruto's life. Naruto returns to the village upon defeating Pain, he gets a hug from Sakura while the crowd cheers his return...and Hinata just stands and watches. Ya, thanks Kishi, way to make Naruto come off like an UngratefulBastard.
* [=JediMasterDraco=]: The last couple episodes of Pein's invasion are pure torture. Up until then, we'd seen Naruto kicking butt and using his brains and then Hinata comes in, not to fight Pein directly, but too fight him off long enough to free Naruto. This leads to her being defeated, almost killed, and Naruto going up to six-tails in rage. And then the fight scene, which should have been a beautiful moment to express just how much pain Naruto is in gets turned into something out of Tom and Jerry. Compare it to the last time Naruto allowed Kyuubi to take over ad tell me which one is better. Frickin ridiculous. And then we have Pein be instantly forgiven. Admittedly, it's more justified then in a lot of other cases in this series owing to him bringing all of Konoha's citizens back to life. Oh, and then Hinata's confession gets absolutely no resolution. It's times like this when I understand why people drink.
* Tropers/{{HeartlessandSoulless}}: Before the battle with Kakuzu, Kakashi teaches Naruto that doing training while using the kage bunshin jutsu is WAY faster (1 person = 1 hour of training and 1 person + 1 clone = 2 hours of training) and more effective; and if that were not enough, he specifically said that Naruto was the only one that could do it, because he has absurd amounts of chakra (ergo, he already knew about how the Uzumaki lineage/clan was special). I didn't pay this much mind until way after I was done with the manga, but as soon as it hit me, I was like: "[[WhatTheHellHero WHAT THE FUCK, KAKASHI]]? Why the hell didn't you teach this to Naruto before, you bastard? Didn't you thought it would ever be useful?". This is what actually broke the illusion of the Naruto manga to me. Sure, it has its cool moments, but I can never take it seriously as a narrative again.
5th Mar '16 7:06:53 PM HeartlessandSoulless
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* Tropers/{{HeartlessandSoulless}}: Before the battle with Kakuzu, Kakashi teaches Naruto that doing training while using the kage bunshin jutsu is WAY faster (1 person = 1 hour of training and 1 person + 1 clone = 2 hours of training) and more effective; and if that were not enough, he specifically said that Naruto was the only one that could do it, because he has absurd amounts of chakra (ergo, he already knew about how the Uzumaki lineage/clan was special). I didn't pay this much mind until way after I was done with the manga, but as soon as it hit me, I was like: "[[WhatTheHellHero WHAT THE FUCK, KAKASHI]]? Why the hell didn't you teach this to Naruto before, you bastard? Didn't you thought it would ever be useful?". This is what actually broke the illusion of the Naruto manga to me. Sure, it has its cool moments, but I can never take it seriously as a narrative again.
9th Feb '16 7:38:27 AM JediMasterDraco
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* [=JediMasterDraco=]: The last couple episodes of Pein's invasion are pure torture. Up until then, we'd seen Naruto kicking butt and using his brains and then Hinata comes in, not to fight Pein directly, but too fight him off long enough to free Naruto. This leads to her being defeated, almost killed, and Naruto going up to six-tails in rage. And then the fight scene, which should have been a beautiful moment to express just how much pain Naruto is in gets turned into something out of Tom and Jerry. Compare it to the last time Naruto allowed Kyuubi to take over ad tell me which one is better. Frickin ridiculous. And then we have Pein be instantly forgiven. Admittedly, it's more justified then in a lot of other cases in this series owing to him bringing all of Konoha's citizens back to life. Oh, and then Hinata's confession gets absolutely no resolution. It's times like this when I understand why people drink.
6th Feb '16 2:37:23 PM Retloclive
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* Retloclive: The ending of the Pain Invasion arc not acknowledging Hinata's attempt to save Naruto's life. Naruto returns to the village upon defeating Pain, he gets a hug from Sakura while the crowd cheers his return...and Hinata just stands and watches. Ya, [[UngratefulBastard way to be thankful Naruto]].

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* Retloclive: The ending of the Pain Invasion arc not acknowledging Hinata's attempt to save Naruto's life. Naruto returns to the village upon defeating Pain, he gets a hug from Sakura while the crowd cheers his return...and Hinata just stands and watches. Ya, [[UngratefulBastard thanks Kishi, way to be thankful Naruto]].make Naruto come off like an UngratefulBastard.
6th Feb '16 1:34:58 AM Retloclive
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* Retloclive: The ending of the Pain Invasion arc. Earlier, Hinata risked her life to save Naruto from being taken away by Pain. However, after Naruto returns to the village upon defeating Pain, he gets a hug from Sakura while the crowd cheers his return...while Hinata just stands and watches. Ya, [[UngratefulBastard way to be thankful Naruto]].

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* Retloclive: The ending of the Pain Invasion arc. Earlier, Hinata risked her life arc not acknowledging Hinata's attempt to save Naruto from being taken away by Pain. However, after Naruto's life. Naruto returns to the village upon defeating Pain, he gets a hug from Sakura while the crowd cheers his return...while and Hinata just stands and watches. Ya, [[UngratefulBastard way to be thankful Naruto]].
6th Feb '16 1:29:53 AM Retloclive
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%%* Retloclive: The original anime series capping off their run with a plethora of overly-bad {{Filler}} episodes will always be mind-boggling to me since it still ended up not being enough to solve the current issue of giving the manga more breathing room. After the 80+ episodes of filler hell were finally done with, the first canon arcs for Naruto Shippuden ended up suffering some of the worst pacing and animation seen throughout the series anyway, so it just makes you wonder why they the producers didn't just decide to go on hiatus in order to better prepare themselves for the next canon arc.%%


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* Retloclive: The ending of the Pain Invasion arc. Earlier, Hinata risked her life to save Naruto from being taken away by Pain. However, after Naruto returns to the village upon defeating Pain, he gets a hug from Sakura while the crowd cheers his return...while Hinata just stands and watches. Ya, [[UngratefulBastard way to be thankful Naruto]].
19th Jan '16 11:42:59 PM Loekman3
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** Ashleybud: Chapter 619 is a definite DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck for me. I really hate Sasuke at this point and am getting real tired of Naruto in general, which is sad because Masashi Kishimoto is a great writer but he has this CreatorsPet thing for Sasuke to the point of completely ignoring and rewriting canon in an effort to make him likeable. You've taken his character to a point where happily making up is literally impossible, so accept it and move on. But what really makes this a DMTS is this notion of the Uchiha gaining their power because they love too much. No other clan treasured love like the Uchiha is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. There is nothing, absolutely nothing to support this; in fact, evidence proves the complete opposite. First, letís take a look at the requirements for the Mangekyō Sharingan: the first one we as the audience were told was that the Mangekyō Sharingan is awakened through the trauma experienced from the death of the person closest to the Sharingan user. With the user normally having to witness or experience this first hand, Uchiha throughout history have killed the person closest to them in order to expedite this process. To obtain the Mangekyō Sharingan, one must feel the emotion of losing a friend or family, as merely killing them or watching them die will not activate it. Thatís not love being tainted, that is killing a loved one in order to gain power. Then, to gain the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan you have to take and transplant the Mangekyō of another Uchiha ó integrating the two pairs of eyes in the process. Once again a sign of the Uchiha selfishly sacrificing a loved one to obtain power because the tighter the blood ties are between the "donor" and the "receiver", the better it is for compatibility ó a sibling for example seems to make the best donor. And they only do this because over time, use of the Mangekyō Sharingan's techniques deteriorates the user's eyesight to the point of blindness. So not only do they abuse the power they gain from sacrificing a loved one to the point of killing themselves, they just sacrifice another one. And when you think about it the Uchiha rebelling because they were forced to live in separate quarters doesnít make sense because every bloodlimit clan lives in their own separate areas in order to practice their techniques in secrets. They lived in opulent mansions, could continue to be ninja and ninja police, even a few being a Hokage Candidate's student. Hell, even Madara's story falls apart when we realize there WAS a Hokage Candidate who was a Uchiha in Hiruzen's time. Them wanting more governmental power falls on its face when they run the police. Heck, this entire war is because 1. Tobi wants revenge and 2. Madara wants to erase the fact that he lost from the face of the earth. Itís pretty obvious Sasuke is going to be forgiven somehow, but at least make it believable. If only the Third had told Sasuke that the curse of the Uchiha was that they were entitled assholes who believe everything should be handed to them. When they're not strong enough they take the skill from their opponent, and when that isnít enough they kill a loved one for power. When they abuse that power they do it again. If that doesnít work they bend reality to their wishes. And finally, when that doesnít prove enough they seal opponents within their own mind. The Uchiha were willing to kill thousands upon thousands of innocent people because they felt they werenít given enough and Sasukeís actions up to now proves that the Third made the right decision. Sorry about the rant but I was so pissed that it took a while to put my thoughts into words.

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** Ashleybud: Chapter 619 is a definite DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck for me. I really hate Sasuke at this point and am getting real tired of Naruto in general, which is sad because Masashi Kishimoto is a great writer but he has this CreatorsPet thing for Sasuke to the point of completely ignoring and rewriting canon in an effort to make him likeable. You've taken his character to a point where happily making up is literally impossible, so accept it and move on. But what really makes this a DMTS is this notion of the Uchiha gaining their power because they love too much. No other clan treasured love like the Uchiha is the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. There is nothing, absolutely nothing to support this; in fact, evidence proves the complete opposite. First, letís take a look at the requirements for the Mangekyō Sharingan: the first one we as the audience were told was that the Mangekyō Sharingan is awakened through the trauma experienced from the death of the person closest to the Sharingan user. With the user normally having to witness or experience this first hand, Uchiha throughout history have killed the person closest to them in order to expedite this process. To obtain the Mangekyō Sharingan, one must feel the emotion of losing a friend or family, as merely killing them or watching them die will not activate it. Thatís not love being tainted, that is killing a loved one in order to gain power. Then, to gain the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan you have to take and transplant the Mangekyō of another Uchiha ó integrating the two pairs of eyes in the process. Once again a sign of the Uchiha selfishly sacrificing a loved one to obtain power because the tighter the blood ties are between the "donor" and the "receiver", the better it is for compatibility ó a sibling for example seems to make the best donor. And they only do this because over time, use of the Mangekyō Sharingan's techniques deteriorates the user's eyesight to the point of blindness. So not only do they abuse the power they gain from sacrificing a loved one to the point of killing themselves, they just sacrifice another one. And when you think about it the Uchiha rebelling because they were forced to live in separate quarters doesnít make sense because every bloodlimit clan lives in their own separate areas in order to practice their techniques in secrets. They lived in opulent mansions, could continue to be ninja and ninja police, even a few being a Hokage Candidate's student. Hell, even Madara's story falls apart when we realize there WAS a Hokage Candidate who was a Uchiha in Hiruzen's time. Them wanting more governmental power falls on its face when they run the police. Heck, this entire war is because 1. Tobi wants revenge and 2. Madara wants to erase the fact that he lost from the face of the earth. Itís pretty obvious Sasuke is going to be forgiven somehow, but at least make it believable. If only the Third had told Sasuke that the curse of the Uchiha was that they were entitled assholes who believe everything should be handed to them. When they're not strong enough they take the skill from their opponent, and when that isnít enough they kill a loved one for power. When they abuse that power they do it again. If that doesnít work they bend reality to their wishes. And finally, when that doesnít prove enough they seal opponents within their own mind. The Uchiha were willing to kill thousands upon thousands of innocent people because they felt they werenít given enough and Sasukeís actions up to now proves that the Third made the right decision. Sorry about the rant but I was so pissed that it took a while to put my thoughts into words.



** FireShadow: And you know what the worst thing about that chapter is, it essentially turns Naruto into a [[FailureHero lousy protagonist who failed to fulfill the promise he kept from the end of part one of Naruto]] because the whole point of him going through the [[TrainingFromHell intense training regime with Jiraiya for two and a half years and for many hours with Killer B to control his Kyuubi Chakra Mode]], [[PoorCommunicationKills flat out defying orders and advice from his closest friends, allies and higher-ups before and during the Fourth Great Ninja War]] and when asked about Sasuke [[NonAnswer giving vague responses]] was so that he could be strong enough to face Sasuke by himself and convince him to come back to the village. Now all of that effort and determination has been undone and undermined and Kishimoto has once again let [[GodModeSue an reanimated character prove to be more significant and important to the progression of the story line in the spaces of a few chapters]] than the [[SpotlightStealingSquad main freaking character for the course of over half of the story!]] In hindsight, this also solidifies that [[HardWorkHardlyWorks words always speak louder than actions in the Naruto universe]] and all it really takes to change the world and convert evil to good is to have [[WordPower well developed and sophisticated talking skills]] [[HardWorkHardlyWorks rather than well developed and sophisticated jutsu or ninja skills.]]



** FireShadow: The beautiful irony of [[spoiler:Minato letting Obito live]] was that in the next chapter, it lead to [[spoiler:Madara being revived, as when Obito was about to use the [[DeusExMachina Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique]] Black Zetsu, which was the will of Madara, [[GrandTheftMe hijacked and controlled Obito's body]] and then forced him to use the Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique to resurrect Madara.]] So in a nutshell, [[spoiler:Minato's idiotic decision of preventing Kakashi from killing Obito]] has now lead to [[spoiler:Madara being one step closer to becoming the new [[PhysicalGod Sage Of Six Paths]], as with a living body he can now absorb the power of the tailed beasts, which he was unable to do when he was reincarnated]]. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero Nice going,]] [[spoiler:Minato,]] the Ten-Tails Revival Arc is now dangerously close to becoming an IdiotPlot because of you.



* [=KantonKage=]: Kaguya's appearance namely it became crystal clear that she and Black Zetsu were made be nothing more than pure {{Hate Sink}}s so he could have the Uchiha look like the "[[FreudianExcuse victims]]" and get the two biggest [[ItsAllAboutMe selfish]] pricks (Obito and Madara) be [[KarmaHoudini redeemed]] only because of the fact that they're [[CreatorsPet Uchiha]].



** Bartzv: The same problem rears its head with Karin too. Sasuke actually did stab her (intentionally at that), and after she had declared that she was done with him, she instantly swoons after getting a weak "sorry" from him and rejoins him like nothing happened, completely undoing all that development. It comes off like Kishimoto doesn't understand a thing about women so he either doesn't give them any development (Ino, Kurenai, Konan) or writes them in a way that's unrealistic at best and at worst is loaded with UnfortunateImplications (Sakura and Karin).
19th Jan '16 11:37:48 PM Loekman3
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* Tropers/{{Lurkingal}}: I actually don't have a problem with most of the twists right now. I like Obito and Madara. My main problem is [[spoiler: HOW they are done. These characters' back-stories line up perfectly with their archetypes, roles, but the execution is SO THOROUGHLY LACKING. I mean seriously, Madara was once a lonely, hurt boy who wished for peace yet got so twisted by the world he turned into a generic villain sue? WTF Kishimoto! Back-stories are supposed to FLESH OUT a character's present actions, to make them seem more justified. Instead they give me a glimpse of a What Had Been character that's more interesting, sympathetic, and believable than this shit-talking trash I've been reading week after week. I can get behind that Madara and Obito are, underneath it all: two traumatized boys that just want to fuck over this fucked up world and create a dream-world that's all lovey-dovey happiness because, hell, as sad as it is, that is a very real human feeling. I can get behind the fact they pretend to be cackling maniacs to conceal the pain and instability they feel inside as their world crumbles around them. I can relate to this being a genetic disorder that runs in the family. I really could. However, take a page from Tom Hiddleton. SUBTEXT. They seem to enjoy or revel in their evil actions too much and there no subtext of "god, what have I done" until they've been [=TnJ=]'d by Naruto. It makes what should have been rich and tragic character development seem cheap and pointless. They aren't Old Yeller that's turned into a rabid dog that needs to be put down to preserve the memory of your old friend. It's like they were rabid dogs all along, and Hashirama and Kakashi are TooDumbToLive idiots who were idiots (Yes, I've used that word twice but the situation is so incredibly stupid it calls for non-ironic emphasis) for pretending otherwise. And the Sage, dear god the Sage, the fucking Sage. By stating that Indra and Asura were reincarnating themselves in Mada and Hashi then Naruto and Sasuke, and that they've been repeating the same cycle of destiny over and over. But wait! Madara is too crazy for Indra and actually BREAKS the cycle. What was the theme of Part 1 again? Screw destiny! Yet we're supposed to think the "screwing destiny" thing is crap now that Naruto and Sasuke are fulfilling the Sage's dreams/destiny? As many fans have noted, long before this troper did, Madara is the hero the story deserved]].

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* %%* Tropers/{{Lurkingal}}: I actually don't have a problem with most of the twists right now. I like Obito and Madara. My main problem is [[spoiler: HOW they are done. These characters' back-stories line up perfectly with their archetypes, roles, but the execution is SO THOROUGHLY LACKING. I mean seriously, Madara was once a lonely, hurt boy who wished for peace yet got so twisted by the world he turned into a generic villain sue? WTF Kishimoto! Back-stories are supposed to FLESH OUT a character's present actions, to make them seem more justified. Instead they give me a glimpse of a What Had Been character that's more interesting, sympathetic, and believable than this shit-talking trash I've been reading week after week. I can get behind that Madara and Obito are, underneath it all: two traumatized boys that just want to fuck over this fucked up world and create a dream-world that's all lovey-dovey happiness because, hell, as sad as it is, that is a very real human feeling. I can get behind the fact they pretend to be cackling maniacs to conceal the pain and instability they feel inside as their world crumbles around them. I can relate to this being a genetic disorder that runs in the family. I really could. However, take a page from Tom Hiddleton. SUBTEXT. They seem to enjoy or revel in their evil actions too much and there no subtext of "god, what have I done" until they've been [=TnJ=]'d by Naruto. It makes what should have been rich and tragic character development seem cheap and pointless. They aren't Old Yeller that's turned into a rabid dog that needs to be put down to preserve the memory of your old friend. It's like they were rabid dogs all along, and Hashirama and Kakashi are TooDumbToLive idiots who were idiots (Yes, I've used that word twice but the situation is so incredibly stupid it calls for non-ironic emphasis) for pretending otherwise. And the Sage, dear god the Sage, the fucking Sage. By stating that Indra and Asura were reincarnating themselves in Mada and Hashi then Naruto and Sasuke, and that they've been repeating the same cycle of destiny over and over. But wait! Madara is too crazy for Indra and actually BREAKS the cycle. What was the theme of Part 1 again? Screw destiny! Yet we're supposed to think the "screwing destiny" thing is crap now that Naruto and Sasuke are fulfilling the Sage's dreams/destiny? As many fans have noted, long before this troper did, Madara is the hero the story deserved]]. %%



* {{@/Hobgoblin}}: Really, just the entire way that Sakura is written throughout the series screams of this. Sure, she starts out as a fangirl for Sasuke because all of the girls were taken in with the cool and edgy Uchiha. Sure, eventually she starts to develop some feelings for him when he softens up during the Chunin Exam arc and becomes nicer. Sure, she holds out hope that he'll come back someday considering he didn't kill Naruto. But once Sasuke is introduced in Part II and starts hopping from villainous organization to villainous organization, that pining becomes almost insulting. Sakura plans to kill Sasuke at one point (and has no real techniques to do so despite three years of training, mind you) with a poisoned knife and no backup, despite the fact that he's an S-Ranked missing ninja, the fact that he is in the process of killing one of his comrades, and the fact that she's supposed to be pretty intelligent. And no matter how much worse Sasuke has gotten since then, badmouthing her and attempting to kill the Kages among other things, Sakura still holds onto this childish hope that they can still be together, to the point where a moment in Chapter 693 that should've been used to have her finally call him out on his nonsense is instead used to have her spout the same senseless diatribe that he'd turned down and ignored twice before. When a main character like Sakura fails to learn enough techniques to keep up with her allies, that's bad from a shonen sense because people start to see them as useless no matter what they contribute. But when a character proves to just epitomize nothing but negative traits overall, constantly being in danger, constantly being a slave to senseless emotions, never having any real victories after a few early story highlights, it just becomes a testament to how poorly that character is being written.
* TallTroper: For me, it's gotta be how Hamura Otsutsuki was used. Just the mere mention of him is TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter. Suddenly we find out that the Sage apparently had this brother who was literally came out of nowhere, yet apparently contributed nothing to the ninja world worth mentioning. Hagoromo, his own brother makes barely any mention of him at all. Making this even worse is that he's the one who inherited Byakugan, so you'd think that he'd been mentioned earlier similar to how Madara was within the story. Also through this, Kisimoto could have given major props to either Hinata or Neji in their development. Lastly, if anything, it throws the story into confusion because while it's at least somewhat tolerable that Naruto, who has one half of the Sage' power, Sasuke is the other half, but by accounts of Hamura's existence, it should be a Hyuuga instead.
* SeanRenad: Each new reveal of Naruto's heritage and fate. A lot of time is spend in Part 1 getting Naruto and to a lesser extent Rock Lee over as proof that hard work trumps good luck. Then we find out Naruto is the heir to not one but two powerful clans. One of them the Senju being equal to or superior to the Uchiha. The First, Second, Fourth and Fifth Hokage are all blood relation to give this some sort of scope. Jiraiya didn't take him under his wing because he saw something special in him, he did it because he's Naruto's Godfather. He believes he's the child of prophecy an old toad told him about. He's also the reincarnation of one of the sons of The Sage of Six Paths, the man who is credited with the creation of ninjutsu (who shows up and gives him more powers because of this fact). All the downsides of having a SuperPoweredEvilSide are eliminated and all pretense of this being an EnemyMine scenario are dropped over the course of a single battle. If the series had been about showing how even if you have good luck that you still need hard work it would be one thing. But instead by the end it's clear that yes, some people are just born better and you'll never compete on their level.

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* %%* {{@/Hobgoblin}}: Really, just the entire way that Sakura is written throughout the series screams of this. Sure, she starts out as a fangirl for Sasuke because all of the girls were taken in with the cool and edgy Uchiha. Sure, eventually she starts to develop some feelings for him when he softens up during the Chunin Exam arc and becomes nicer. Sure, she holds out hope that he'll come back someday considering he didn't kill Naruto. But once Sasuke is introduced in Part II and starts hopping from villainous organization to villainous organization, that pining becomes almost insulting. Sakura plans to kill Sasuke at one point (and has no real techniques to do so despite three years of training, mind you) with a poisoned knife and no backup, despite the fact that he's an S-Ranked missing ninja, the fact that he is in the process of killing one of his comrades, and the fact that she's supposed to be pretty intelligent. And no matter how much worse Sasuke has gotten since then, badmouthing her and attempting to kill the Kages among other things, Sakura still holds onto this childish hope that they can still be together, to the point where a moment in Chapter 693 that should've been used to have her finally call him out on his nonsense is instead used to have her spout the same senseless diatribe that he'd turned down and ignored twice before. When a main character like Sakura fails to learn enough techniques to keep up with her allies, that's bad from a shonen sense because people start to see them as useless no matter what they contribute. But when a character proves to just epitomize nothing but negative traits overall, constantly being in danger, constantly being a slave to senseless emotions, never having any real victories after a few early story highlights, it just becomes a testament to how poorly that character is being written.
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TallTroper: For me, it's gotta be how Hamura Otsutsuki was used. Just the mere mention of him is TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter. Suddenly we find out that the Sage apparently had this brother who was literally came out of nowhere, yet apparently contributed nothing to the ninja world worth mentioning. Hagoromo, his own brother makes barely any mention of him at all. Making this even worse is that he's the one who inherited Byakugan, so you'd think that he'd been mentioned earlier similar to how Madara was within the story. Also through this, Kisimoto could have given major props to either Hinata or Neji in their development. Lastly, if anything, it throws the story into confusion because while it's at least somewhat tolerable that Naruto, who has one half of the Sage' power, Sasuke is the other half, but by accounts of Hamura's existence, it should be a Hyuuga instead.
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SeanRenad: Each new reveal of Naruto's heritage and fate. A lot of time is spend in Part 1 getting Naruto and to a lesser extent Rock Lee over as proof that hard work trumps good luck. Then we find out Naruto is the heir to not one but two powerful clans. One of them the Senju being equal to or superior to the Uchiha. The First, Second, Fourth and Fifth Hokage are all blood relation to give this some sort of scope. Jiraiya didn't take him under his wing because he saw something special in him, he did it because he's Naruto's Godfather. He believes he's the child of prophecy an old toad told him about. He's also the reincarnation of one of the sons of The Sage of Six Paths, the man who is credited with the creation of ninjutsu (who shows up and gives him more powers because of this fact). All the downsides of having a SuperPoweredEvilSide are eliminated and all pretense of this being an EnemyMine scenario are dropped over the course of a single battle. If the series had been about showing how even if you have good luck that you still need hard work it would be one thing. But instead by the end it's clear that yes, some people are just born better and you'll never compete on their level.%%



* Retloclive: The original anime series capping off their run with a plethora of overly-bad {{Filler}} episodes will always be mind-boggling to me since it still ended up not being enough to solve the current issue of giving the manga more breathing room. After the 80+ episodes of filler hell were finally done with, the first canon arcs for Naruto Shippuden ended up suffering some of the worst pacing and animation seen throughout the series anyway, so it just makes you wonder why they the producers didn't just decide to go on hiatus in order to better prepare themselves for the next canon arc.

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* %%* Retloclive: The original anime series capping off their run with a plethora of overly-bad {{Filler}} episodes will always be mind-boggling to me since it still ended up not being enough to solve the current issue of giving the manga more breathing room. After the 80+ episodes of filler hell were finally done with, the first canon arcs for Naruto Shippuden ended up suffering some of the worst pacing and animation seen throughout the series anyway, so it just makes you wonder why they the producers didn't just decide to go on hiatus in order to better prepare themselves for the next canon arc.%%
18th Aug '15 1:41:00 PM Willbyr
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* [=KantonKage=]: Chapter 9 of ''RockLeesSpringtimeOfYouth'' was simply turning Hinata into TheChewToy; she gets peed on, having multiple people crash into her, she's also in her AscendedFanon {{Flanderization}} meaning she passes out when she sees Naruto at the end. Who gets attacked by Neji for no reason.

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* [=KantonKage=]: Chapter 9 of ''RockLeesSpringtimeOfYouth'' ''Manga/RockLeesSpringtimeOfYouth'' was simply turning Hinata into TheChewToy; she gets peed on, having multiple people crash into her, she's also in her AscendedFanon {{Flanderization}} meaning she passes out when she sees Naruto at the end. Who gets attacked by Neji for no reason.
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