History DethroningMoment / HomeStuck

* Tropers/MightyMewtron: Before my first choice of DMOS (Vriska's revival as detailed above) came another decision that left me uneasy, making (Vriska) and Meenah a romantic couple. First off, at the time she died, (Vriska) was the equivalent of thirteen, and has the body, and arguably mental state, of a thirteen year old. Meenah is the equivalent of a nineteen year old. Yes, they do mention how Meenah's blood type has a greater longevity and most other people are younger than her anyway, but the power imbalance is still very clear, with how (Vriska) becomes nearly dependent on Meenah and emulates her. That isn't the main DMOS though; it's when Hussie talked about said couple on Twitter, claiming that ''Homestuck'' was becoming so gay it would "make [[WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra korra look like republican propaganda.]] Acting like a relationship between a thirteen year old and nineteen year old is positive gay representation [[UnfortunateImplications spreads a pretty bad message]] especially considering [[AllGaysArePedophiles certain stereotypes of the LGBT community.]] And Hussie's self insert is seen [[GirlOnGirlIsHot secretly watching the girls make out,]] [[SarcasmMode because that really shows respect for gay women.]] And after all that, Meenah later dumps (Vriska) basically out of boredom, leaving (Vriska) in tears, so even if they had been of equal age and power, it still wouldn't have been a positive gay story! TrollingCreator is one thing, but ''Homestuck'' has a huge LGBTFanbase that deserved better than this lousy attempt at pandering. Even with later additions of healthier gay couples, I still don't fully trust Hussie as a good writer for the LGBT community.

* Troper/MightyMewtron: Before my first choice of DMOS (Vriska's revival as detailed above) came another decision that left me uneasy, making (Vriska) and Meenah a romantic couple. First off, at the time she died, (Vriska) was the equivalent of thirteen, and has the body, and arguably mental state, of a thirteen year old. Meenah is the equivalent of a nineteen year old. Yes, they do mention how Meenah's blood type has a greater longevity and most other people are younger than her anyway, but the power imbalance is still very clear, with how (Vriska) becomes nearly dependent on Meenah and emulates her. That isn't the main DMOS though; it's when Hussie talked about said couple on Twitter, claiming that ''Homestuck'' was becoming so gay it would "make [[WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra korra look like republican propaganda.]] Acting like a relationship between a thirteen year old and nineteen year old is positive gay representation [[UnfortunateImplications spreads a pretty bad message]] especially considering [[AllGaysArePedophiles certain stereotypes of the LGBT community.]] And Hussie's self insert is seen [[GirlOnGirlIsHot secretly watching the girls make out,]] [[SarcasmMode because that really shows respect for gay women.]] And after all that, Meenah later dumps (Vriska) basically out of boredom, leaving (Vriska) in tears, so even if they had been of equal age and power, it still wouldn't have been a positive gay story! TrollingCreator is one thing, but ''Homestuck'' has a huge LGBTFanbase that deserved better than this lousy attempt at pandering. Even with later additions of healthier gay couples, I still don't fully trust Hussie as a good writer for the LGBT community.

* Troper/I_Aint_Tropin: I apologize in advance, as this has to do with shipping. Now, I love Homestuck wholeheartedly, and even with things like Vriska being retconed back into existence, I was still fairly okay with that and went along with it. I was even okay with the cryptic ending of Act 7! But, one thing that always bothered me was how Karkat/Terezi got pushed to the side in favor of… Karkat/Dave. Now, for the record, on the list of Homestuck ships, Karkat/Terezi doesn't even make into my top ten. It's not my favorite, but I felt as through their relationship was integral to the plot as well as both of their characters; plus their pesterlogs are fun to read. Now, along comes [S] Act 6 Act 6 Intermission 5, and out of the blue; we're supposed to accept that Karkat/Dave is now canon. [[FlatWhat What?]] Look, I can accept Vriska making sure Terezi doesn't enter an unhealthy blackrom with Gamzee, I can accept her making sure Rose doesn't become a drunkard, but how does Vriska's meddling have any correlation with Terezi's relationship with Karkat? Karkat and Terezi had enough BelligerentSexualTension to make a TakahashiCouple look like PlatonicLifePartners. I know this is [[TrollingCreator Hussie]], but to push aside a ship with 4+ years of devolpment in favor of a ship where all the devolpment happened offscreen just reeks of an AssPull and StrangledByTheRedString. I've seen people defend this by pointing to John/Roxy, but at least it didn't feel forced and we got to see their development onscreen. The fact that Karkat and Terezi didn't even speak to each other one-on-one after the retcon happened makes it worse. It honestly felt like Hussie erased their entire relationship just so Karkat/Dave could become canon.

* despairChihiro: The introduction of the alpha trolls - the "[[PerfectlyCromulentWord dancestors]]", if you will - is probably the DMoS for the comic as a whole. It introduced even more characters, of which... 3 are useful. Even then, they're arguably just padding and used to fill PlotHoles. Meulin is almost entirely pointless, Rufioh's a case of TheyWastedAPerfectlyGoodCharacter, and Mituna is simply fucking ridiculous. And those are just some examples out of the 12. So over the entire summer of '13, we got 3 flashes of Meenah walking around the dreambubbles and having everyone she knows tell her that they can't help her fight. What a beautiful, beautiful waste of time.

* [=InTheGallbladder=]: The October 11, 2013 update. Gamzee, having gone rogue for no clearly explained reason beyond the usual {{handwave}}s, beats Terezi to a pulp in lovingly rendered detail, while everyone capable of responding... doesn't. Rose is too busy doubting and hating herself to act, and Karkat and Kanaya are too awestruck. Jake, moments after providing one of the greatest moments in the act, unceremoniously comes BackFromTheDead a stone's throw from the brawl and spends the rest of the update [[DudeNotFunny just standing where he is, staring at Gamzee's codpiece]]. This segment really didn't need to be there, and it wouldn't if Hussie still valued telling a story over manipulating his audience.

** Troper/{{Cookiefonster}}: I agree 100%. Act 7 resolves pretty much nothing which is a shame because that's not how story endings are supposed to work. Everything cuts off right before it happens, making the whole animation kind of frustrating to watch. This is my definite dethroning moment for the comic. As far as I'm concerned, Lord English could have very well won since it takes a lot of logical leaps to assume whatever happened in Act 7 actually destroyed him and his grip on paradox space.

* Troper/Ninja857142: Some say "It's the journey, not the destination." But in many contexts, including this one, I'd argue the destination is a part of the journey; indeed, that makes it a journey. Like many stories, Homestuck has had its ups and downs, but managed to still be enjoyable to me. However, a critical part of a good story is a satisfying conclusion, and Homestuck has had us anticipating one for so very long. Now I'm not saying Act 7 was a complete disappointment; it was beautifully animated, and it was nice to see a brief glimpse of people with a happy ending at last. But it was just so open-ended and inconclusive. The glimpse of the new universe was so brief, and I wanted to see so much more of it. I anticipated people living, talking, enjoying their new world together. There was plenty of conversation between the kids and walls of text before the climax! Most notable is the AntiClimaxBoss of Lord English. Throughout the comic, there is so much build-up to him. He's presented as an ever-looming, unstoppable force. He's such a cruel, ruthless, destructive, despicable character that we root so hard for the heroes to succeed and bring him down. Yet we don't get to even see how/if he dies, how exactly Caliborn becomes Lord English (I know about the claymation bit, but it was kinda vague, confusing and... it's Caliborn's claymation!), or what the treasure does! And it's especially jarring after the penultimate animation is 18 minutes of action and fighting, wherein all the villains but Caliborn and English are defeated. Again, I do enjoy the good things Act 7 had to offer; I just wish it felt more satisfying, explanatory, and conclusive. While Hussie's apparently making an epilogue (I'm not holding my breath though), this is for now my Dethroning Moment, because often, the destination is the most important part of the journey.

** Troper/{{Cookiefonster}}: I agree 100%. Act 7 resolves pretty much nothing which is a shame because that's not how story endings are supposed to work. Everything cuts off right before it happens, making the whole animation kind of frustrating to watch. This is my definite dethroning moment for the comic.

* Troper/Ninja857142: Some say "It's the journey, not the destination." But in many contexts, including this one, I'd argue the destination is a part of the journey; indeed, that makes it a journey. Like many stories, Homestuck has had its ups and downs, but managed to still be enjoyable to me. However, a critical part of a good story is a satisfying conclusion, and Homestuck has had us anticipating one for so very long. Now I'm not saying Act 7 was a complete disappointment; it was beautifully animated, and it was nice to see a brief glimpse of people with a happy ending at last. But it was just so open-ended and inconclusive. The glimpse of the new universe was so brief, and I wanted to see so much more of it. I anticipated people living, talking, enjoying their new world together. There was plenty of conversation between the kids and walls of text before the climax! Most notable is the AntiClimaxBoss of Lord English. Throughout the comic, there is so much build-up to him. He's presented as an ever-looming, unstoppable force. He's such a cruel, ruthless, destructive, despicable character that we root so hard for the heroes to succeed and bring him down. Yet we don't get to even see how/if he dies, how exactly Caliborn becomes Lord English (I know about the claymation bit, but it was kinda vague, confusing and... it's Caliborn's claymation!), or what the treasure does! And it's especially jarring after the penultimate animation is 18 minutes of action and fighting, wherein all the villains but Caliborn and English are defeated. Again, I do enjoy the good things Act 7 had to offer; I just wish it felt more satisfying, explanatory, and conclusive. While Hussie's apparently making an epilogue (I'm not holding my breath though), this is for now my Dethroning Moment, because often, the destination is the most important part of the journey.

* Troper/Ninja857142: Some say "It's the journey, not the destination." But in many contexts, including this one, I'd argue the destination is a part of the journey; indeed, that makes it a journey. Like many stories, Homestuck has had its ups and downs, but managed to still be enjoyable to me. However, a critical part of a good story is a satisfying conclusion, and Homestuck has had us anticipating one for so very long. Now I'm not saying Act 7 was a complete disappointment; it was beautifully animated, and it was nice to see a brief glimpse of people with a happy ending at last. But it was just so open-ended and inconclusive. The glimpse of the new universe was so brief, and I wanted to see so much more of it. I anticipated people living, talking, enjoying their new world together. There was plenty of conversation between the kids and walls of text before the climax! Most notable is the AntiClimaxBoss of Lord English. Throughout the comic, there is so much build-up to him. He's presented as an ever-looming, unstoppable force. He's such a cruel, ruthless, destructive, despicable character that we root so hard for the heroes to succeed and bring him down. Yet we don't get to even see how/if he dies, how exactly Caliborn becomes Lord English (I know about the claymation bit, but it was kinda vague, confusing and... it's Caliborn's claymation!), or what the treasure does! And it's especially jarring after the penultimate animation is 18 minutes of action and fighting, wherein all the villain but Caliborn and English are defeated. Again, I do enjoy the good things Act 7 had to offer; I just wish it felt more satisfying and conclusive. While Hussie's apparently making an epilogue (I'm not holding my breath though), this is for now my Dethroning Moment, because often, the destination is the most important part of the journey.

* Troper/Ninja857142: Some say "It's the journey, not the destination." But in many contexts, including this one, I'd argue the destination is a part of the journey; indeed, that makes it a journey. Like many stories, Homestuck has had its ups and downs, but managed to still be enjoyable to me. However, a critical part of a good story is a satisfying conclusion, and Homestuck has had us anticipating one for so very long. Now I'm not saying Act 7 was a complete disappointment; it was beautifully animated, and it was nice to see a brief glimpse of people with a happy ending at last. But it was just so open-ended and inconclusive. The glimpse of the new universe was so brief, and I wanted to see so much more of it. I anticipated people living, talking, enjoying their new world together. There was plenty of conversation between the kids and walls of text before the climax! Most notable is the AntiClimaxBoss of Lord English. Throughout the comic, there is so much build-up to him. He's presented as an ever-looming, unstoppable force. He's such a cruel, ruthless, destructive, despicable character that we root so hard for the heroes to succeed and bring him down. Yet we don't get to even see how/if he dies, how exactly Caliborn becomes Lord English (I know about the claymation bit, but it was kinda vague, confusing and... it's Caliborn's claymation!), or what the treasure does! And it's especially jarring after the penultimate animation is 18 minutes of action and fighting, wherein all the villain but Caliborn and English are defeated. Again, I do enjoy the good things Act 7 had to offer; I just wish it felt more satisfying and conclusive. While Hussie's apparently making an epilogue (I'm not holding my breath though), this is for now my DethroningMoment, because often, the destination is the most important part of the journey.

* Troper/Ninja857142: Some say "It's the journey, not the destination." But in many contexts, including this one, I'd argue the destination is a part of the journey; indeed, that makes it a journey. Like many stories, Homestuck has had its ups and downs, but managed to still be enjoyable to me. However, a critical part of a good story is a satisfying conclusion, and Homestuck has had us anticipating one for so very long. Now I'm not saying Act 7 was a complete disappointment; it was beautifully animated, and it was nice to see a brief glimpse of people with a happy ending at last. But it was just so open-ended and inconclusive. The glimpse of the new universe was so brief, and I wanted to see so much more of it. There was plenty of conversation and walls of text leading up to the climax! Most notable is the AntiClimaxBoss of Lord English. Throughout the comic, there is so much build-up to him. He's presented as an ever-looming, unstoppable force. He's such a cruel, ruthless, destructive, despicable character that we root so hard for the heroes to succeed and bring him down. Yet we don't get to even see how/if he dies, how exactly Caliborn becomes Lord English (I know about the claymation bit, but it was kinda vague, confusing and... it's Caliborn's claymation!), or what the treasure does! And it's especially jarring after the penultimate animation is 18 minutes of action and fighting, wherein all the villain but Caliborn and English are defeated. Again, I do enjoy the good things Act 7 had to offer; I just wish it felt more satisfying and conclusive. While Hussie's apparently making an epilogue (I'm not holding my breath though), this is for now my Dethroning Moment, because often, the destination is the most important part of the journey.

* Troper/Ninja857142: Some say "It's the journey, not the destination." But in many contexts, including this one, I'd argue the destination is part of the journey. Like many stories, Homestuck has had its ups and downs, but managed to still be enjoyable to me. However, a critical part of a good story is a satisfying conclusion, and Homestuck has had us anticipating one for a very long while. Now I'm not saying Act 7 was a complete disappointment; it was beautifully animated, and it was nice to see a brief glimpse of people with a happy ending at last. But it was just so open-ended and inconclusive. Most notable is the AntiClimaxBoss of Lord English. We don't get to even see how/if he dies, or what the treasure does.

* Troper/TheTitanPrince: There's a lot of moments I could list here, from Openbound, to the lack of development given to the Alpha trolls, to John being able to retcon previous events without dooming the timeline, but people have already ranted about that on this page. But there's one moment in the comic that just really, really bothered me that I don't see anyone else talking about, and that's Gamzee's FaceHeelTurn. Gamzee is introduced as a sweet, friendly, but slow stoner who's close friends with all the trolls. Then comes Act 5, when he runs out of drugs and finally goes sober. Suddenly, he's a deranged, violent, impulsive, and aggressive psychopath who [[AGodAmI believes he's not one, but two messiahs]], and hates all the other trolls so much that he goes on a rampage to kill them all. CharacterDerailment at its finest, folks. It gets worse, as this is never undone. A redemption arc is hinted at when [[CooldownHug Karkat shooshpaps him into ending his rampage]], but the farthest that goes is just him not murdering them anymore. He never recovers, never becomes the friendly person he used to be, never rekindles his friendship with the trolls, never shows any remorse for his actions, nothing. And if you can believe it, it gets even worse! Gamzee becomes mute after that, dresses up as a clown, starts collecting troll corpses, and becomes Lord English's right hand man. It gets so bad that if you were to change sober!Gamzee's name, nobody would be able to tell they were the same character. If I had been told when it first happened that this was permanent, I would've quit reading Homestuck then and there.

* Troper/TheTitanPrince: There's a lot of moments I could list here, from Openbound, to the lack of development given to the Alpha trolls, to John being able to retcon previous events without dooming the timeline, but people have already ranted about that on this page. But there's one moment in the comic that just really, really bothered me that I don't see anyone else talking about, and that's Gamzee's HeelFaceTurn. Gamzee is introduced as a sweet, friendly, but slow stoner who's close friends with all the trolls. Then comes Act 5, when he runs out of drugs and finally goes sober. Suddenly, he's a deranged, violent, impulsive, and aggressive psychopath who [[AGodAmI believes he's not one, but two messiahs]], and hates all the other trolls so much that he goes on a rampage to kill them all. CharacterDerailment at its finest, folks. It gets worse, as this is never undone. A redemption arc is hinted at when [[CooldownHug Karkat shooshpaps him into ending his rampage]], but the farthest that goes is just him not murdering them anymore. He never recovers, never becomes the friendly person he used to be, never rekindles his friendship with the trolls, never shows any remorse for his actions, nothing. And if you can believe it, it gets even worse! Gamzee becomes mute after that, dresses up as a clown, starts collecting troll corpses, and becomes Lord English's right hand man. It gets so bad that if you were to change sober!Gamzee's name, nobody would be able to tell they were the same character. If I had been told when it first happened that this was permanent, I would've quit reading Homestuck then and there.

* IkeAndMike: I pick the moment John gained control of the Yaldaboon power. Before this point, time travel existed in-universe but it had limitations (doomed timelines, stable time loops, etc). But once John gained the power to actually alter canon past events without needing to form a stable time loop, and take things/people from different timelines with him, the limitations no longer mattered because someone could get around them. Nothing that happened before matters because it can be changed (and some of it has been already, like Vriska surviving instead of being killed by Terezi). Nothing that happens in the future matters because it can also be changed, removing any dramatic tension or suspense from the rest of the story. Hussie messed with, to quote Karkat, "forces which if handled recklessly will nullify the basic ability of intelligent beings in all real and hypothetical planes of existence to give a shit." And I for one no longer give a shit about what happens or has happened in this story.

* Troper/TheTitanPrince: There's a lot of moments I could list here, from Openbound, to the lack of development given to the Alpha trolls, to John being able to retcon previous events without dooming the timeline, but people have already ranted about that on this page. But there's one moment in the comic that just really, really bothered me that I don't see anyone else talking about, and that's Gamzee's HeelFaceTurn. Gamzee is introduced as a sweet, friendly, but slow stoner who's close friends with all the trolls. Then comes Act 5, when he runs out of drugs and finally goes sober. Suddenly, he's a deranged, violent, impulsive, and aggressive psychopath who [[AGodAmI believes he's not one, but two messiahs]], and hates all the other trolls so much that he goes on a rampage to kill them all. CharacterDerailment at its finest, folks. It gets worse, as this is never undone. A redemption arc is hinted at when [[CooldownHug Karkat shooshpaps him into ending his rampage]], but the farthest that goes is just him not murdering them anymore. He never recovers, never becomes the friendly person he used to be, never rekindles his friendship with the trolls, never shows any remorse for his actions, nothing. And if you can believe it, it gets even worse! Gamzee becomes mute after that, dresses up as a clwon, starts collecting troll corpses, and becomes Lord English's right hand man. It gets so bad that if you were to change sober!Gamzee's name, nobody would be able to tell they were the same character. If I had been told when it first happened that this was permanent, I would've quit reading Homestuck then and there.

* User/CalamityJane: Cascade and the subsequent flanderization of the rest of the carapace characters. While these characters were interesting, fun, likable, and entertaining, they seemed to no longer appeal to the author who unceremoniously killed them all off. The ones who did survive (WV, PM, and Spades Slick) were flanderized until they no longer had any depth. Despite having character-related plot threads that needed closure, by the time the comic ends, they are no longer the three dimensional characters they were at the beginning, and they were replaced by even more angry, unlikable, poorly written characters introduced far too late in the story.

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* IkeAndMike: I pick the moment John gained control of the Yaldaboon power. Before this point, time travel existed in-universe but it had limitations (doomed timelines, stable time loops, etc). But once John gained the power to actually alter canon past events without needing to form a stable time loop, and take things/people from different timelines with him, the limitations no longer mattered because someone could get around them. Nothing that happened before matters because it can be changed (and some of it has been already, like Vriska surviving instead of being killed by Terezi). Nothing that happens in the future matters because it can also be changed, removing any dramatic tension or suspense from the rest of the story. Hussie messed with, to quote Karkat, "forces which if handled recklessly will nullify the basic ability of intelligent beings in all real and hypothetical planes of existence to give a shit." And I for one no longer give a shit about what happens or has happened in this story.

*** @/MorganWick: Of course, they turned out to mostly be ''intentionally'' one-dimensional, poorly-developed, and most importantly, ignorable, a march of ten different ways for Hussie to make fun of his own fandom.

** @/MorganWick: Did he ever specifically say it was the trolls' ''disapproval'' that tipped him off? His reaction to Aradia's reaction was something like "oh my god you people are all insane!" In other words, he seems to see himself as the OnlySaneMan who knows how crazy Vriska's plan is. Given that, I suspect it's their ''cooperation'' he's afraid of: that Vriska is crazy and dangerous because ''she has the cooperative manpower to carry out her plan''.

** @/MorganWick: The fact Hussie attempted to [[https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/23820318/MSPA%20News/MSPA%20News.html#11/08/14 explain]] Jade's death by claiming the Condesce's mind control merely unleashed her darker impulses, something that to my knowledge had had zero evidence to that point and applied to a character most fans saw as being so almost unbelievably "good" it wasn't clear she ''had'' darker impulses to begin with, probably only came off as another AssPull to attempt to get out of the first one. And the fact all of this is obviated by John's time shenanigans doesn't even save Aranea's derailment, as noted below.

* Yaridovich23: Aranea suddenly becoming a villain. No buildup. No hints at it coming. Nothing. Just BAM, she's suddenly evil and insane and ready to end lives to get what she wants. And just like Vriska, she's obsessed with being just like Mindfang. I mean good God, even if she's a terrible character and a rapist, it's hard to deny Mindfang is badass and all, but what's with these two devoting their lives to being just like her? Anyway, Aranea being a villain isn't bad enough, she also is conveniently behind a lot of Gamzee's actions, any time he was always smiling at least, and that came out of nowhere too. I guess I should have seen it coming since Mindfang and Vriska have also been OP, boring, awful characters that just like to steal the spotlight from characters that are far more interesting than they are. I pray that Lord English rainbow blasts her into oblivion at some point.

* PhiSat: Vriska being retconned back to life. Undoing all this nice CharacterDevelopment we've seen for both her and Terezi and probably more characters we haven't yet! Keeping so much focus on an [[ManipulativeBitch utterly]] [[FalseFriend vile]] [[AlphaBitch character]] and then retroactively making them a KarmaHoudini because you've written yourself into a corner by killing everyone is NOT good writing.
** @/MorganWick: Roxy seemed to imply that, to some degree, everyone would still have memories of the way things were in the original timeline, though Jade sure didn't before Godtier!Calliope told her why LOWAS exploded. But Vriska must, because despite what PhiSat says Vriska, the BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH who, in Act 5, was a complete asshole even by troll standards and inserted herself into every bad thing that happened in the kids' session for the sake of her own self-aggrandizement, has suddenly become a FixerSue who, we are expected to believe, solves all the kids' and trolls' problems with her mere presence, while also being implied to be a much nicer person and bigger team player than even her Act 6 character development would have suggested. People may have hated Vriska back then, but at least she was an interesting character and people hated her on her own merits! Combining this with the above, it becomes apparent that Act 6 Act 6 from Intermission 2 on is basically a FixFic by the original author, embedded in the original story, in which Hussie needlessly trashes his own story solely so he can bring in his literal AuthorAvatar's crush and MarySue Vriska to fix it all.

* {{Stealthyboy}}: The introduction of the Trolls, heralding the change from weird puzzle shit into unfunny pseudo-epicness and wholly unnecessary cast bloating.

* Stealthyboy: The introduction of the Trolls, heralding the change from weird puzzle shit into unfunny pseudo-epicness and wholly unnecessary cast bloating.

* CptnLhurgoyf: Hussie stated that he wrote in the scene where Mindfang mind controls the Dolorosa into having sex with her as, and I quote, "sexy lesbian fanservice". First of all, mind controlling someone into having sex with you is rape, and writing a rape scene solely to get people off is absolutely despicable. But then you have to consider how the Dolorosa is the equivalent of the Virgin Mary in the trolls' CrystalDragonJesus equivalent of Christianity. In other words, Hussie wrote about the Virgin Mary being raped and expected people to find it sexy. Speaking as a Catholic, it goes without saying that I am disgusted by this.

* CptnLhurgoyf: Hussie stated that he wrote in the scene where Mindfang mind controls the Dolorosa into having sex with her as, and I quote, "sexy lesbian fanservice". First of all, mind controlling someone into having sex with you is rape, and writing a rape scene solely to get people off is absolutely despicable. But then you have to consider how the Dolorosa is the equivalent of the Virgin Mary in the trolls' CrystalDragonJesus equivalent of Christianity. In other words, Hussie wrote about the Virgin Mary being raped and expected people to find it sexy. Speaking as a Catholic, it goes without saying that I am disgusted by this.
** @/MorganWick: There's a sacrilegious joke to be made here, but even that would imply Mindfang to be an equivalent to God, which sure doesn't help the two points above. Maybe Caliborn is controlling more of the site than he's letting on; "sexy lesbian fanservice" through rape (involving characters that make it implicitly sacrilegious as well) would seem to be right up his alley.

** @/MorganWick: Roxy seemed to imply that, to some degree, everyone would still have memories of the way things were in the original timeline, though Jade sure didn't before Godtier!Calliope told her why LOWAS exploded. But Vriska must, because despite what PhiSat says Vriska, the BLUH BLUH HUGE BITCH who, in Act 5, was a complete asshole even by troll standards and inserted herself into every bad thing that happened in the kids' session for the sake of her own self-aggrandizement, has suddenly become a FixerSue who, we are expected to believe, solves all the kids' and trolls' problems with her mere presence, while also being implied to be a much nicer person and bigger team player than even her Act 6 character development would have suggested. Combining this with the above, it becomes apparent that Act 6 Act 6 from Intermission 2 on is basically a FixFic by the original author, embedded in the original story, in which Hussie needlessly trashes his own story solely so he can bring in his literal AuthorAvatar's crush and MarySue Vriska to fix it all.

* CptnLhurgoyf: Hussie stated that he wrote in the scene where Mindfang mind controls the Dolorosa into having sex with her as, and I quote, "sexy lesbian fanservice". First of all, mind controlling someone into having sex with you is rape, and writing a rape scene solely to get people off is absolutely despicable. But then you have to consider how the Dolorosa is the equivalent of the Virgin Mary in the trolls' CrystalDragonJesus equivalent of Christianity. In other words, Hussie wrote about the Virgin Mary being raped and expected people to find it sexy. Speaking as a Catholic, it goes without saying that I am disgusted by this.

* [=InTheGallbladder=]: The October 11, 2013 update. Gamzee, having gone rogue for no clearly explained reason beyond the usual {{handwave}}s, beats Terezi to a pulp in lovingly rendered detail, while everyone capable of responding... doesn't. Rose is too busy doubting and hating herself to act, and Karkat and Kanaya are too awestruck. Jake, moments after providing one of the greatest moments in the act, unceremoniously comes BackFromTheDead a stone's throw from the brawl and spends the rest of the update [[DudeNotFunny just standing where he is and staring at Gamzee's codpiece]]. This segment really didn't need to be there, and it wouldn't if Hussie still valued telling a story over manipulating his audience.

* That Guy: Every.Single.Fucking.Serket. These three are the worst pieces of scum ever written on paper. The entire existence of these characters are a DMOS. Why? Let's start with Vriska. Vriska is an extremely manipulative bitch with mind control powers who crippled poor Tavros and demanded he APOLOGIZE for it. She also was responsible for the uprising of Bec Noir for the sole purpose that she can kill him and take all the damn glory. Yeah.... She's a damn egotist and a big one at that. Plus, she steals people's luck.......yeah I'm calling Hax on that because that is just unfair. Aranea doesn't fair much better due to how she essentially caused the deaths of 10 CHARACTERS and felt 0 remorse. She also manipulated Gamzee into psychologically tormenting Terezi. And Mindfang not only manipulated an ENTIRE JURY AT HER COURT CASE but also mind controlled the Dolrosa to get RAPED by her. And she feels no fucking regret. And you know what the worst part is. Not the fact that after it seems like one of them has reformed..... Hussie shoehorns her alive again so now we have to deal with MORE Vriska. But the fact that my zodiac,Scorpio's representatives are the three worst characters I have ever seen. There are three scenes in particular I hate from all of them. Vriska's worst moment is when she asks Tavros to APOLOGIZE FOR BEING CRIPPLED!!!!!IT WAS HER OWN DAMN FAULT IN THE FIRST PLACE AND TAVROS HAD ENOUGH TORTURE FROM HER AS IS!!!!! Aranea's moment is S] Game Over which involved the slaughtering of 10 characters all caused by her, for if she didn't start fucking around with the session, Condy wouldn't have shown up and Gamzee wouldn't be on that rampage. And Mindfang's worst moment is when we see her journal and learn all the fucked up shit she had done and how gleefully she did it.
** CptnLhurgoyf: Speaking of the Dolorosa? Hussie stated that he wrote in the scene where Mindfang mind controls her into having sex with her as, and I quote, "sexy lesbian fanservice". First of all, mind controlling someone into having sex with you is rape, and writing a rape scene solely to get people off is absolutely despicable. But then you have to consider how the Dolorosa is the equivalent of the Virgin Mary in the trolls' CrystalDragonJesus equivalent of Christianity. In other words, Hussie wrote about the Virgin Mary being raped and expected people to find it sexy. Speaking as a Catholic, it goes without saying that I am disgusted by this.