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** {{Tropers/ThatsNumberwang}}: The point where this whole game came crashing down for me was just how poorly handled the focuses are. Once someone becomes a L'Cie, they are given a mission to complete within a certain time limit or they will turn into a monster. Sounds straightforward so far, right? Except for the fact that you are never actually told what your mission objectives are making the whole thing a complete shot in the dark from start to finish. Oh, but don't worry, the Fal'Cie are good enough to give you a hint in the form of a short and hazy mental image with zero context to set you on your way. To put this into real life terms, imagine being handed a photograph of a random person or place without explanation by a guy with a gun who then tells you to complete the task before you lest he blows your brains out. And what makes this worse, what genuinely made me turn off my UsefulNotes/PlayStation and return later, is the revelation about two thirds of the way through that the Fal'Cie can talk. Any justification that the contextless focus dream is the only way that they can communicate with human beings is instantly shot in the foot when we learn that at any time they could have just told them exactly what it is that they wanted them to do. Yeah, you read that right: The Fal'Cie are intentionally setting up people that they've tasked with helping them to fail.

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** {{Tropers/ThatsNumberwang}}: The point where this whole game came crashing down for me was just how poorly handled the focuses are. Once someone becomes a L'Cie, they are given a mission to complete within a certain time limit or they will turn into a monster. Sounds straightforward so far, right? Except for the fact that you are never actually told what your mission objectives are making the whole thing a complete shot in the dark from start to finish. Oh, but don't worry, the Fal'Cie are good enough to give you a hint in the form of a short and hazy mental image with zero context to set you on your way. To put this into real life terms, imagine being handed a photograph of a random person or place without explanation by a guy with a gun who then tells you to complete the task before you lest he blows your brains out. And what makes this worse, what genuinely made me turn off my UsefulNotes/PlayStation Platform/PlayStation and return later, is the revelation about two thirds of the way through that the Fal'Cie can talk. Any justification that the contextless focus dream is the only way that they can communicate with human beings is instantly shot in the foot when we learn that at any time they could have just told them exactly what it is that they wanted them to do. Yeah, you read that right: The Fal'Cie are intentionally setting up people that they've tasked with helping them to fail.
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Sadly, the [[RunningGag head-deskingly popular]] ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' series has its share of moments that leave the player going "Square(-Enix), what was [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck ''wrong'' with you]]?"

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Sadly, the [[RunningGag head-deskingly popular]] ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' series has its share of moments that leave the player going "Square(-Enix), what was [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck what was]] ''wrong'' with you]]?"
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Sadly, the [[RunningGag head-deskingly popular]] ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' series has its share of moments that leave the player going "Square(-Enix), what was ''wrong'' with you?"

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Sadly, the [[RunningGag head-deskingly popular]] ''Franchise/FinalFantasy'' series has its share of moments that leave the player going "Square(-Enix), what was [[DarthWiki/DethroningMomentOfSuck ''wrong'' with you?"
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I forgot about the no ALLCAPS thing, sorry about that.


* Tropers/{{LittleJon}}: For me, it's Cecil's incredibly stupid and OutOfCharacter StayInTheKitchen moment with Rosa and Rydia when you travel to the moon. When you decide to go to the Moon to defeat the ultimate evil, Cecil tells Rosa, your WhiteMage, and Rydia, your BlackMage with Summoner abilites that they can't go because they are women. This is despite the fact that Cecil has had no problems fighting with women in horrible situations before (Young!Rydia, Mature!Rydia, Porom, Rosa). It has no place in the game and makes Cecil look like a complete idiot and a StrawMisandrist. This might be permissible if Cecil had stated other reasons (he still feels guilty about Rydia and he doesn't want to send his true love [who might be pregnant] to ANOTHER CELESTIAL BODY) but the game does not bring this up.

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* Tropers/{{LittleJon}}: For me, it's Cecil's incredibly stupid and OutOfCharacter StayInTheKitchen moment with Rosa and Rydia when you travel to the moon. When you decide to go to the Moon to defeat the ultimate evil, Cecil tells Rosa, your WhiteMage, and Rydia, your BlackMage with Summoner abilites that they can't go because they are women. This is despite the fact that Cecil has had no problems fighting with women in horrible situations before (Young!Rydia, Mature!Rydia, Porom, Rosa). It has no place in the game and makes Cecil look like a complete idiot and a StrawMisandrist. This might be permissible if Cecil had stated other reasons (he still feels guilty about Rydia and he doesn't want to send his true love [who might be pregnant] to ANOTHER CELESTIAL BODY) another celestial body) but the game does not bring this up.
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* Tropers/{{LittleJon}}: For me, it's Cecil's incredibly stupid and OutOfCharacter StayInTheKitchen moment with Rosa and Rydia when you travel to the moon. When you decide to go to the Moon to defeat the ultimate evil, Cecil tells Rosa, your WhiteMage, and Rydia, your BlackMage with Summoner abilites that they can't go because they are women. This is despite the fact that Cecil has had no problems fighting with women in horrible situations before (Young!Rydia, Mature!Rydia, Porom, Rosa). It has no place in the game and makes Cecil look like a complete idiot and a StrawMisandrist. This might be permissible if Cecil had stated other reasons (he still feels guilty about Rydia and he doesn't want to send his true love [who might be pregnant] to ANOTHER CELESTIAL BODY) but the game does not bring this up.
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** Tropers/KingLyger: I didn't particularly care for the way Barret's backstory was handled, either. But the real turning point for me was the moment that Cid and Barret stop a train from crashing into Corel later in the game, causing the citizens of the town to suddenly realize [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone that they were way too hard on Barret]]. It took Barret saving their sorry butts and expecting to get mocked for it again before the townspeople finally came to their senses, which makes the claims of SelfServingMemory on their part ring more true. I couldn't feel any sympathy for the people of Corel after being so harsh to Barret for something they all did collectively. True, they were probably letting all of their anger for Shinra out on Barret over their own collective failure, but Barret absolutely did not have that coming, and Corel didn't do anything to fight back against Shinra while they kept blaming him for it. And all the while, Barret was doing more to stop Shinra's plans than any of Corel's citizens ever did. It says something to me when the AbridgedSeries ''Machinima/FinalFantasyVIIMachinabridged'' did a better job with this subplot than the game itself did.

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** Tropers/KingLyger: I didn't particularly care for the way Barret's backstory was handled, either. But the real turning point for me was the moment that Cid and Barret stop a train from crashing into Corel later in the game, causing the citizens of the town to suddenly realize [[MyGodWhatHaveIDone that they were way too hard on Barret]]. It took Barret saving their sorry butts and expecting to get mocked for it again before the townspeople finally came to their senses, which makes the claims of SelfServingMemory on their part ring more true. I couldn't feel any sympathy for the people of Corel after being so harsh to Barret for something they all did collectively. True, they were probably letting all of their anger for Shinra out on Barret over their own collective failure, but Barret absolutely did not have that coming, and Corel didn't do anything to fight back against Shinra while they kept blaming him for it. And all the while, Barret was doing more to stop Shinra's plans than any of Corel's citizens ever did. It says something to me when the AbridgedSeries ''Machinima/FinalFantasyVIIMachinabridged'' ''WebAnimation/FinalFantasyVIIMachinabridged'' did a better job with this subplot than the game itself did.
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* IzzyUneasy: I've never been on board with yet another example of pandering to VII fans, but the most groan-worthy scene I've seen so far is Wedge getting his ass inquired and the resulting [[SarcasmMode hilarious]] hijinks. Who in their right mind would think that such dumbfucked asstarded shitty farce will be a good idea? No amount of disgust can cover my feelings for such retarded example of humor, in the most retarded sense. Now where the fuck is my Rolling Rock?

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* IzzyUneasy: I've never been on board with yet another example of pandering to VII fans, but the most groan-worthy scene I've seen so far is Wedge getting his ass inquired injuired and the resulting [[SarcasmMode hilarious]] hijinks. Who in their right mind would think that such dumbfucked asstarded shitty farce will be a good idea? No amount of disgust can cover my feelings for such retarded example of humor, in the most retarded sense. Now where the fuck is my Rolling Rock?
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* IzzyUneasy: I've never been on board with yet another example of pandering to VII fans, but the most groan-worthy scene I've seen so far is Wedge getting his ass inquired and the resulting [[SarcasmMode hilarious]] hijinks. Who in their right mind would think that such dumbfucked asstarded shitty farce will be a good idea? No amount of disgust can cover my feelings for such retarded example of humor, in the most retarded sense. Now where the fuck is my Rolling Rock?
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* Tropers/{{Manwiththeplan}}: The dragged-out sequence where it was revealed that all the party members (sans Rinoa and including Seifer) all grew up together in the same orphanage, which was run by the apparent BigBad Edea. This comes completely out of nowhere, as does the AssPull revelation that GF summons cause memory loss (Selphie's example of this happening is particularly forced). Irvine remembers everything though, which admittedly does add a much better motive to his hesitance to shoot Edea earlier besides "he's a coward", but the whole sequence is still very improbable, illogical, and in the grand scheme of things, adds little to the story other than a lame ShockingSwerve.

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* Tropers/{{Manwiththeplan}}: The dragged-out sequence where it was revealed that all the party members (sans Rinoa and including Seifer) all grew up together in the same orphanage, which was run by the apparent BigBad Edea. This comes completely out of nowhere, as does the AssPull revelation that GF summons cause memory loss (Selphie's example of this happening is particularly forced). Irvine remembers everything though, which admittedly does add a much better motive to his hesitance to shoot Edea earlier besides "he's a coward", but the whole sequence is still very improbable, illogical, and in the grand scheme of things, adds little to the story other than a lame ShockingSwerve.AssPull.

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* Tropers/{{cricri3007}}: While i could complain for quite a while about the Arbiters of Fate, my [=DMoS=] with ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake'' actually came earlier. It's the vision of Sephiroth Cloud experiences at the beginning of Chapter 2. Look, I know that Sephiroth is an iconic villain, and that they couldn't remake the Midgard part (where he doen't appear at all in the original) without having him present in some form. But couldn't they have waited just a bit? I mean, for fuck's sake, we haven't even met Tifa, or even ''Aerith'' yet and we already have visions of this dude?

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* Tropers/{{cricri3007}}: While i I could complain for quite a while about the Arbiters of Fate, my [=DMoS=] with ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake'' actually came earlier. It's the vision of Sephiroth Cloud experiences at the beginning of Chapter 2. Look, I know that Sephiroth is an iconic villain, and that they couldn't remake the Midgard part (where he doen't appear at all in the original) without having him present in some form. But couldn't they have waited just a bit? I mean, for fuck's sake, we haven't even met Tifa, or even ''Aerith'' yet and we already have visions of this dude?dude?
* Loekman3: Related Sephiroth's EarlyBirdCameo in ''Remake'' is Cloud's confrontation with Sephiroth in the Drum. Now Cloud does have multiple visions of Sephiroth before but this is the first time that he appears right there in person with the other Party members also witnessing this. But the Dethroning Moment of this is that it ultimately becomes a glorified BigLippedAlligatorMoment. Like why does nobody comment on it? This is freakin Sephiroth, the very same SOLDIER who supposedly died during the Nibelheim Incident. Maybe Barret and Red XIII doesn't know what's going on and Aerith is hiding the truth from them but what about Tifa whom she knew he killed his father back then and burned her hometown. Ok I guess they're probably occupied with trying to escape Hojo's lab but you'd think they'd comment or at least show some visible reaction to his presence. Ok maybe you could say that they don't know Sephiroth's there and it's just Cloud having a bout of anxiety but you'd think they would comment on ''that'' instead. Like have Barret egg Cloud on why is he attacking a thin air for no reason or have Tifa question Aerith on Cloud's mental state. This moment also has the downside of making Sephiroth's trail much less impactful compared to the original as the fact that he's already in the HQ really ruins much of the tension and suspense of the big reveal.
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* Tropers/{{cricri3007}}: While i could complain for quite a while about the Arbiters of Fate, my [=DMoS=] with ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyviiRemake'' actually came earlier. It's the vision of Sephiroth Cloud experiences at the beginning of Chapter 2. Look, I know that Sephiroth is an iconic villain, and that they couldn't remake the Midgard part (where he doen't appear at all in the original) without having him present in some form. But couldn't they have waited just a bit? I mean, for fuck's sake, we haven't even met Tifa, or even ''Aerith'' yet and we already have visions of this dude?

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* Tropers/{{cricri3007}}: While i could complain for quite a while about the Arbiters of Fate, my [=DMoS=] with ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyviiRemake'' ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyVIIRemake'' actually came earlier. It's the vision of Sephiroth Cloud experiences at the beginning of Chapter 2. Look, I know that Sephiroth is an iconic villain, and that they couldn't remake the Midgard part (where he doen't appear at all in the original) without having him present in some form. But couldn't they have waited just a bit? I mean, for fuck's sake, we haven't even met Tifa, or even ''Aerith'' yet and we already have visions of this dude?
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* Tropers/{{cricri3007}}: While i could complain for quite a while about the Arbiters of Fate, my [=DMoS=] with ''VideoGame/FinalFantasyviiRemake'' actually came earlier. It's the vision of Sephiroth Cloud experiences at the beginning of Chapter 2. Look, I know that Sephiroth is an iconic villain, and that they couldn't remake the Midgard part (where he doen't appear at all in the original) without having him present in some form. But couldn't they have waited just a bit? I mean, for fuck's sake, we haven't even met Tifa, or even ''Aerith'' yet and we already have visions of this dude?

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