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16th Nov '17 12:29:24 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* SenorCornholio: Since ''Fanfic/MyBravePonyStarfleetMagic'' already has its own page, let's talk about Creator/DakariKingMykan's other crowning achievement, [[Fanfic/TheEndOfEnds The End of Ends]]. It's exactly as much of a wangst-ridden [[AuthorTract Author Tract]] as you would expect, and there are plenty of moments to choose from. I could have put [[BigBad Count Logan's]] ([[TheUnreveal actually Beast Boy's]]) reasons for blowing up Tamaran being that he was upset that Starfire and Robin got together while he didn't get back with Terra, but I think there's a moment that's far worse. A fair warning: this one's slightly going into meta territory. At the end, Logan performs a [[HeelFaceTurn heel-face turn]] and helps defeat [[TheStarscream Dr. Beljar]]...[[DroppedABridgeOnHim and then Logan dies]]. After that fact, some fans (yes, this fic actually has fans) were sad and upset because of his death, to which Mykan responded with his reasoning: [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer because Terra had left him in "Things Change", he is doomed to die even if he is redeemed and Terra gets back with him!]] Let's ignore the fact that Logan was an outright terrible VillainProtagonist to begin with and that plenty of his actions in the story, even as Beast Boy, fall under DesignatedHero more so than his [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo TTG Counterpart]]; Mykan believes he should die because Terra dumped him, and not even her becoming a Titan again and actually coming back to Logan can change that. And for the record, this was a fan of Logan that Mykan was talking to in the first place, that he was being so matter-of-fact towards; this was someone who was probably around 12 or so, being told by this person that "people die when fate is cruel to them". Even as someone who finds this fic to be pretty pathetic and Logan to be a badly written character, I can honestly say that this guy's reasoning is...just no, Mykan...
16th Nov '17 12:25:02 PM TheNerfGuy
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* Tropers/TheNerfGuy: Chapter 39 of ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8130614/1/Yu_Gi_Oh_The_Thousand_Year_Door_Redux YuGiOh The Thousand Year Door Redux]]''. Poison has a monster called Queen's Machine on the board as well as [[http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/DNA_Surgery DNA Surgery]] to make all of Andy's monsters Machine-type; Queen's Machine cannot be attacked by Machine-type monsters. Nothing wrong there. Andy finds he can attack directly. Again, nothing wrong there. Then you get to the bottom of the chapter detailing the effects of the fanmade and Anime-only cards and find that Queen's Machine's effect doesn't say anything about direct attacks. Here, we have a problem. A slight and easily-solved problem, but a problem nonetheless. Not that bad on its own, but when the author was confronted about it, he tried to justify the wording of the effect by comparing it to similar cards. The cards he used ([[http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/The_Legendary_Fisherman The Legendary Fisherman]], [[http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Guardian_Kay%27est Guardian Kay'est]], [[http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Deepsea_Warrior Deepsea Warrior]], and [[http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Rod_of_Silence_-_Kay%27est Rod of Silence - Kay'est]]) all reek of CriticalResearchFailure; the latter two especially since they don't say anything about attacks. When called out on that, he [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem decided that since it was his fanmade card, he could make the rulings for it as he pleased]]... even though he had agreed to follow the updated rules in the first chapter's author's note and wording the card as such and making its rulings like that would violate the rules he promised to follow. What makes this a dethroning moment is the [[SmallNameBigEgo sheer attitude]] he displayed over refusing to correct such a simple and tiny mistake, especially when correcting it in the first place wouldn't have changed how the chapter flowed in the slightest other than it now conforming to the rules. The fact that he's made alterations before and after the chapter to conform to the rules only makes it worse in that some previous alterations involved some of his other fanmade cards. The fact that he clearly does not tolerate it being mentioned must also say something else other than that he clearly hates certain rules and refuses to abide by them. You can call me a RulesLawyer all you want, but when someone agrees to follow a set of rules and then disregards a minor issue with that kind of attitude all because they don't like the specific rule said issue was based around, they've made a dethroning moment for themselves.

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* Tropers/TheNerfGuy: Chapter 39 of ''[[http://www.fanfiction.net/s/8130614/1/Yu_Gi_Oh_The_Thousand_Year_Door_Redux YuGiOh The Thousand Year Door Redux]]''. Poison has a monster called Queen's Machine on the board as well as [[http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/DNA_Surgery DNA Surgery]] to make all of Andy's monsters Machine-type; Queen's Machine cannot be attacked by Machine-type monsters. Nothing wrong there. Andy finds he can attack directly. Again, nothing wrong there. Then you get to the bottom of the chapter detailing the effects of the fanmade and Anime-only cards and find that Queen's Machine's effect doesn't say anything about direct attacks. Here, we have a problem. A slight and easily-solved problem, but a problem nonetheless. Not that bad on its own, but when the author was confronted about it, he tried to justify the wording of the effect by comparing it to similar cards. The cards he used ([[http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/The_Legendary_Fisherman The Legendary Fisherman]], [[http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Guardian_Kay%27est Guardian Kay'est]], [[http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Deepsea_Warrior Deepsea Warrior]], and [[http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Rod_of_Silence_-_Kay%27est Rod of Silence - Kay'est]]) all reek of CriticalResearchFailure; DanBrowned; the latter two especially since they don't say anything about attacks. When called out on that, he [[ScrewTheRulesIMakeThem decided that since it was his fanmade card, he could make the rulings for it as he pleased]]... even though he had agreed to follow the updated rules in the first chapter's author's note and wording the card as such and making its rulings like that would violate the rules he promised to follow. What makes this a dethroning moment is the [[SmallNameBigEgo sheer attitude]] he displayed over refusing to correct such a simple and tiny mistake, especially when correcting it in the first place wouldn't have changed how the chapter flowed in the slightest other than it now conforming to the rules. The fact that he's made alterations before and after the chapter to conform to the rules only makes it worse in that some previous alterations involved some of his other fanmade cards. The fact that he clearly does not tolerate it being mentioned must also say something else other than that he clearly hates certain rules and refuses to abide by them. You can call me a RulesLawyer all you want, but when someone agrees to follow a set of rules and then disregards a minor issue with that kind of attitude all because they don't like the specific rule said issue was based around, they've made a dethroning moment for themselves.
4th Nov '17 3:17:52 PM SenorCornholio
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* [=SenorCornholio=]: You know... I didn't possibly think Creator/DakariKingMykan's work could get any worse than it has. But then I decided to look at ''Fanfic/CyborgDavis'', and... well, the first half or so isn't anything special, but the last few chapters are some of the worst I've seen. I could have ratted off about TK and Kari's unneeded HumiliationConga, but I think there's another moment in chapter 11 that just defies all reason. Long story short, [[BigBad Yami Ninji]] has a surefire way to get Davis' circuits to fail... by [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer filming TK and Kari while they were having sex and showing it to Davis]]. Not only is this just the most blatant form of shock value, but it's almost completely glossed over; it only exists to give Davis no reason to live on, and nothing more. [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment It comes, and then goes.]] And the kicker? Mykan had this to say in his author's notes, and I quote: "I cannot believe I just did that. I had to make Kari and TK DO IT!!" Yep; he really felt that he had to do it, just to make sure his "gets the girl or dies" policy comes into effect at the end. He can't believe he did that? Neither can I, but for [[SickAndWrong completely different reasons]]. If [[Fanfic/MyBravePonyStarfleetMagic Ace Ray's mind rape]] was the straw that broke the camel's back, and [[spoiler:the aftermath of Twilight's death]] was the what crushed the camel's spine, [[SerialEscalation then this outright burned the camel alive and fed its body to Cerberus]].

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* [=SenorCornholio=]: You know... I didn't possibly think Creator/DakariKingMykan's work could get any worse than it has. But then I decided to look at ''Fanfic/CyborgDavis'', and... well, the first half or so isn't anything special, but the last few chapters are some of the worst I've seen. I could have ratted off about TK and Kari's unneeded HumiliationConga, but I think there's another moment in chapter 11 that just defies all reason. Long story short, [[BigBad Yami Ninji]] has a surefire way to get Davis' circuits to fail... by [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer filming TK and Kari while they were having sex and showing it to Davis]]. Not only is this just the most blatant form of shock value, but it's almost completely glossed over; it only exists to give Davis no reason to live on, and nothing more. [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment It comes, and then goes.]] And the kicker? Mykan had this to say in his author's notes, and I quote: [[{{Wangst}} "I cannot believe I just did that. I had to make Kari and TK DO IT!!" IT!!"]] Yep; he really felt that he had to do it, just to make sure his "gets the girl or dies" policy comes into effect at the end. He can't believe he did that? Neither can I, but for [[SickAndWrong completely different reasons]]. If [[Fanfic/MyBravePonyStarfleetMagic Ace Ray's mind rape]] was the straw that broke the camel's back, and [[spoiler:the aftermath of Twilight's death]] was the what crushed the camel's spine, [[SerialEscalation then this outright burned the camel alive and fed its body to Cerberus]].
4th Nov '17 3:13:34 PM SenorCornholio
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* [=SenorCornholio=]: You know... I didn't possibly think Creator/DakariKingMykan's work could get any worse than it has. But then I decided to look at ''Fanfic/CyborgDavis'', and... well, the first half or so isn't anything special, but the last few chapters are some of the worst I've seen. I could have ratted off about TK and Kari's unneeded HumiliationConga, but I think there's another moment in chapter 11 that just defies all reason. Long story short, [[BigBad Yami Ninji]] has a surefire way to get Davis' circuits to fail... by [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer filming TK and Kari while they were having sex and showing it to Davis]]. Not only is this just the most blatant form of shock value, but it's almost completely glossed over; it only exists to give Davis no reason to live on, and nothing more. [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment It comes, and then goes.]] And the kicker? Mykan had this to say in his author's notes, and I quote: "I cannot believe I just did that. I had to make Kari and TK DO IT!!" Yep; he really felt that he had to do it, just to make sure his "gets the girl or dies" policy comes into effect at the end. He can't believe he did that? Neither can I, but for [[SickAndWrong completely different reasons]]. If [[Fanfic/MyBravePonyStarfleetMagic Ace Ray's mind rape]] was the straw that broke the camel's back, and [[spoiler:the aftermath of Twilight's death]] was the what crushed the camel's spine, then this outright burned the camel alive and fed its body to Cerberus.

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* [=SenorCornholio=]: You know... I didn't possibly think Creator/DakariKingMykan's work could get any worse than it has. But then I decided to look at ''Fanfic/CyborgDavis'', and... well, the first half or so isn't anything special, but the last few chapters are some of the worst I've seen. I could have ratted off about TK and Kari's unneeded HumiliationConga, but I think there's another moment in chapter 11 that just defies all reason. Long story short, [[BigBad Yami Ninji]] has a surefire way to get Davis' circuits to fail... by [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer filming TK and Kari while they were having sex and showing it to Davis]]. Not only is this just the most blatant form of shock value, but it's almost completely glossed over; it only exists to give Davis no reason to live on, and nothing more. [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment It comes, and then goes.]] And the kicker? Mykan had this to say in his author's notes, and I quote: "I cannot believe I just did that. I had to make Kari and TK DO IT!!" Yep; he really felt that he had to do it, just to make sure his "gets the girl or dies" policy comes into effect at the end. He can't believe he did that? Neither can I, but for [[SickAndWrong completely different reasons]]. If [[Fanfic/MyBravePonyStarfleetMagic Ace Ray's mind rape]] was the straw that broke the camel's back, and [[spoiler:the aftermath of Twilight's death]] was the what crushed the camel's spine, [[SerialEscalation then this outright burned the camel alive and fed its body to Cerberus.Cerberus]].
30th Oct '17 12:39:45 PM CaptainTedium
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* SenorCornholio: Since [[Fanfic/MyLittleUnicorn My Little Unicorn]] already has its own page, let's talk about Creator/DakariKingMykan's other crowning achievement, [[Fanfic/TheEndOfEnds The End of Ends]]. It's exactly as much of a wangst-ridden [[AuthorTract Author Tract]] as you would expect, and there are plenty of moments to choose from. I could have put [[BigBad Count Logan's]] ([[TheUnreveal actually Beast Boy's]]) reasons for blowing up Tamaran being that he was upset that Starfire and Robin got together while he didn't get back with Terra, but I think there's a moment that's far worse. A fair warning: this one's slightly going into meta territory. At the end, Logan performs a [[HeelFaceTurn heel-face turn]] and helps defeat [[TheStarscream Dr. Beljar]]...[[DroppedABridgeOnHim and then Logan dies]]. After that fact, some fans (yes, this fic actually has fans) were sad and upset because of his death, to which Mykan responded with his reasoning: [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer because Terra had left him in "Things Change", he is doomed to die even if he is redeemed and Terra gets back with him!]] Let's ignore the fact that Logan was an outright terrible VillainProtagonist to begin with and that plenty of his actions in the story, even as Beast Boy, fall under DesignatedHero more so than his [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo TTG Counterpart]]; Mykan believes he should die because Terra dumped him, and not even her becoming a Titan again and actually coming back to Logan can change that. And for the record, this was a fan of Logan that Mykan was talking to in the first place, that he was being so matter-of-fact towards; this was someone who was probably around 12 or so, being told by this person that "people die when fate is cruel to them". Even as someone who finds this fic to be pretty pathetic and Logan to be a badly written character, I can honestly say that this guy's reasoning is...just no, Mykan...

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* SenorCornholio: Since [[Fanfic/MyLittleUnicorn My Little Unicorn]] ''Fanfic/MyBravePonyStarfleetMagic'' already has its own page, let's talk about Creator/DakariKingMykan's other crowning achievement, [[Fanfic/TheEndOfEnds The End of Ends]]. It's exactly as much of a wangst-ridden [[AuthorTract Author Tract]] as you would expect, and there are plenty of moments to choose from. I could have put [[BigBad Count Logan's]] ([[TheUnreveal actually Beast Boy's]]) reasons for blowing up Tamaran being that he was upset that Starfire and Robin got together while he didn't get back with Terra, but I think there's a moment that's far worse. A fair warning: this one's slightly going into meta territory. At the end, Logan performs a [[HeelFaceTurn heel-face turn]] and helps defeat [[TheStarscream Dr. Beljar]]...[[DroppedABridgeOnHim and then Logan dies]]. After that fact, some fans (yes, this fic actually has fans) were sad and upset because of his death, to which Mykan responded with his reasoning: [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer because Terra had left him in "Things Change", he is doomed to die even if he is redeemed and Terra gets back with him!]] Let's ignore the fact that Logan was an outright terrible VillainProtagonist to begin with and that plenty of his actions in the story, even as Beast Boy, fall under DesignatedHero more so than his [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo TTG Counterpart]]; Mykan believes he should die because Terra dumped him, and not even her becoming a Titan again and actually coming back to Logan can change that. And for the record, this was a fan of Logan that Mykan was talking to in the first place, that he was being so matter-of-fact towards; this was someone who was probably around 12 or so, being told by this person that "people die when fate is cruel to them". Even as someone who finds this fic to be pretty pathetic and Logan to be a badly written character, I can honestly say that this guy's reasoning is...just no, Mykan...
25th Oct '17 3:33:37 PM Vampireandthen
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* Tropers/Vampireandthen: From the desk of Mykan the jackass, I have this to submit. In his fic ''To Be Cruel, Or Good'' what he does here is so outright wrong and sick and disgusting, he has, in my eyes, cemented himself as the worst fanfic writer ever. See, there are at least three, in this thing which dares disguise itself as Digimon. Dear Lord.... The whole, "Kari adopted a child to make TK think she was married and leave her alone" was pretty bad, however, Davis adopted a child as well, and while arguing with Kari, declares that adopting a child was the worst thing he ever did, followed by him blaming Kari for all the misery in their lives as she comforts his crying son, and then...after he tries to blow up the factory with them in it, he, Kari, and the two adopted kids, he still ends up with Kari. He is not punished for being a terrorist. He is rewarded for it. Deactivating the bomb means jackshit! He should not get off scot free for this! But he does anyway. Mykan is the worst fafic writer, ever, period, end of discussion, everyone else can clear off.

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* Tropers/Vampireandthen: Vampireandthen: From the desk of Mykan the jackass, I have this to submit. In his fic ''To Be Cruel, Or Good'' what he does here is so outright wrong and sick and disgusting, he has, in my eyes, cemented himself as the worst fanfic writer ever. See, there are at least three, in this thing which dares disguise itself as Digimon. Dear Lord.... The whole, "Kari adopted a child to make TK think she was married and leave her alone" was pretty bad, however, Davis adopted a child as well, and while arguing with Kari, declares that adopting a child was the worst thing he ever did, followed by him blaming Kari for all the misery in their lives as she comforts his crying son, and then...after he tries to blow up the factory with them in it, he, Kari, and the two adopted kids, he still ends up with Kari. He is not punished for being a terrorist. He is rewarded for it. Deactivating the bomb means jackshit! He should not get off scot free for this! But he does anyway. Mykan is the worst fafic writer, ever, period, end of discussion, everyone else can clear off.
18th Oct '17 8:08:41 AM ClatoLawa
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* Tropers/ClatoLawa: The ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' fic ''Bring Me Home''. Truth be told, I had problems with it right from the start, due to perhaps unfair comparisons with other ''Miraculous'' fics along similar lines (the heroes get separated in the aftermath of Hawkmoth's defeat without getting to reveal their identities, only to be reunited years later [[Fanfic/{{Fermeture}} with]] [[Fanfic/BackToUs variable]] [[Fanfic/RuinedWithYou results]]), but I stuck with it in the hopes that the inevitable reveal and Marinette's reaction to Chat Noir's abandonment would be worth it. For the record, [[WhatTheHellHero/FanWorks it was]], and at this point I was honest-to-God excited about where this could be going - in particular, the possibility of Marinette making up for her own mistake in shutting out Alya and her parents for so long. Instead, we get Marinette, having walked out on Adrien, once again refusing to go to anyone else for help, before getting herself into an incredibly contrived car crash for Adrien to rescue her from, thus forcing her to let go of her anger and rushing the two into a reconciliation barely a third of the way through the story. But the moment that pushed the story from merely disappointing to irredeemable for me, was that when Tikki alerts Adrien to the accident, he repeatedly refuses to put his Miraculous back on, even after being told that he's going to need Cataclysm to get her out of the car, because he wants to avoid Plagg's anger. Yes, obviously he puts it on in time and goes on to rescue her, but the fact remains that his first instinct was to once again put the pain that he wants to avoid, above the pain that he knows someone else is going through, which is exactly what he had been doing to Ladybug the last five years and had just learned the consequences of last night. The fact that he needed Tikki to verbally beat this into him killed all the power this would have had as a redemption moment, and since neither Tikki or Adrien told Marinette that part after she woke up, it taints every theoretically romantic moment Marinette and Adrien have had since, or will ever have for the rest of the story.

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* Tropers/ClatoLawa: The While I hesitate to lump this story or its author in with the likes of Mykan, the ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' fic ''Bring Me Home''. Home'' has quickly become one of my most unpleasant experiences since I started reading fanfiction. Truth be told, I had problems with it right from the start, due to perhaps unfair comparisons with other ''Miraculous'' fics along similar lines (the heroes get separated in the aftermath of Hawkmoth's defeat without getting to reveal their identities, only to be reunited years later [[Fanfic/{{Fermeture}} with]] [[Fanfic/BackToUs variable]] varying]] [[Fanfic/RuinedWithYou results]]), but I stuck with it in the hopes that the inevitable reveal and Marinette's reaction to Chat Noir's abandonment would be worth it. For the record, [[WhatTheHellHero/FanWorks it was]], and at this point I was honest-to-God excited about where this could be going - in particular, the possibility of Marinette making up for her own mistake in shutting out Alya and her parents for so long. Instead, we get Marinette, having walked out on Adrien, once again refusing to go to anyone else for help, before getting herself into an incredibly contrived car crash for Adrien to rescue her from, thus forcing her to let go of her anger and rushing the two into a reconciliation barely a third of the way through the story. But the moment that pushed the story from merely disappointing to irredeemable for me, was that when Tikki alerts Adrien to the accident, he repeatedly refuses to put his Miraculous back on, even after being told that he's going to need Cataclysm to get her out of the car, because he wants to avoid Plagg's anger. Yes, obviously he puts it on in time and goes on to rescue her, but the fact remains that his first instinct was to once again put the pain that he wants to avoid, above the pain that he knows someone else is going through, which is exactly what he had been doing to Ladybug the last five years and had just learned the consequences of last night. The fact that he needed Tikki to verbally beat this into him killed all the power this would have had as a redemption moment, and since neither Tikki or Adrien told Marinette that part after she woke up, it taints every theoretically romantic moment Marinette and Adrien have had since, or will ever have for the rest of the story.
12th Oct '17 12:06:42 AM Vampireandthen
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* Tropers/ClatoLawa: The ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' fic ''Bring Me Home''. Truth be told, I had problems with it right from the start, due to perhaps unfair comparisons with other ''Miraculous'' fics along similar lines (the heroes get separated in the aftermath of Hawkmoth's defeat without getting to reveal their identities, only to be reunited years later [[Fanfic/{{Fermeture}} with]] [[Fanfic/BackToUs variable]] [[Fanfic/RuinedWithYou results]]), but I stuck with it in the hopes that the inevitable reveal and Marinette's reaction to Chat Noir's abandonment would be worth it. For the record, [[WhatTheHellHero/FanWorks it was]], and at this point I was honest-to-God excited about where this could be going - in particular, the possibility of Marinette making up for her own mistake in shutting out Alya and her parents for so long. Instead, we get Marinette, having walked out on Adrien, once again refusing to go to anyone else for help, before getting herself into an incredibly contrived car crash for Adrien to rescue her from, thus forcing her to let go of her anger and rushing the two into a reconciliation barely a third of the way through the story. But the moment that pushed the story from merely disappointing to irredeemable for me, was that when Tikki alerts Adrien to the accident, he repeatedly refuses to put his Miraculous back on, even after being told that he's going to need Cataclysm to get her out of the car, because he wants to avoid Plagg's anger. Yes, obviously he puts it on in time and goes on to rescue her, but the fact remains that his first instinct was to once again put the pain that he wants to avoid, above the pain that he knows someone else is going through, which is exactly what he had been doing to Ladybug the last five years and had just learned the consequences of last night. The fact that he needed Tikki to verbally beat this into him killed all the power this would have had as a redemption moment, and since neither Tikki or Adrien told Marinette that part after she woke up, it taints every theoretically romantic moment Marinette and Adrien have had since, or will ever have for the rest of the story.

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* Tropers/ClatoLawa: The ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' fic ''Bring Me Home''. Truth be told, I had problems with it right from the start, due to perhaps unfair comparisons with other ''Miraculous'' fics along similar lines (the heroes get separated in the aftermath of Hawkmoth's defeat without getting to reveal their identities, only to be reunited years later [[Fanfic/{{Fermeture}} with]] [[Fanfic/BackToUs variable]] [[Fanfic/RuinedWithYou results]]), but I stuck with it in the hopes that the inevitable reveal and Marinette's reaction to Chat Noir's abandonment would be worth it. For the record, [[WhatTheHellHero/FanWorks it was]], and at this point I was honest-to-God excited about where this could be going - in particular, the possibility of Marinette making up for her own mistake in shutting out Alya and her parents for so long. Instead, we get Marinette, having walked out on Adrien, once again refusing to go to anyone else for help, before getting herself into an incredibly contrived car crash for Adrien to rescue her from, thus forcing her to let go of her anger and rushing the two into a reconciliation barely a third of the way through the story. But the moment that pushed the story from merely disappointing to irredeemable for me, was that when Tikki alerts Adrien to the accident, he repeatedly refuses to put his Miraculous back on, even after being told that he's going to need Cataclysm to get her out of the car, because he wants to avoid Plagg's anger. Yes, obviously he puts it on in time and goes on to rescue her, but the fact remains that his first instinct was to once again put the pain that he wants to avoid, above the pain that he knows someone else is going through, which is exactly what he had been doing to Ladybug the last five years and had just learned the consequences of last night. The fact that he needed Tikki to verbally beat this into him killed all the power this would have had as a redemption moment, and since neither Tikki or Adrien told Marinette that part after she woke up, it taints every theoretically romantic moment Marinette and Adrien have had since, or will ever have for the rest of the story.story.
* Tropers/Vampireandthen: From the desk of Mykan the jackass, I have this to submit. In his fic ''To Be Cruel, Or Good'' what he does here is so outright wrong and sick and disgusting, he has, in my eyes, cemented himself as the worst fanfic writer ever. See, there are at least three, in this thing which dares disguise itself as Digimon. Dear Lord.... The whole, "Kari adopted a child to make TK think she was married and leave her alone" was pretty bad, however, Davis adopted a child as well, and while arguing with Kari, declares that adopting a child was the worst thing he ever did, followed by him blaming Kari for all the misery in their lives as she comforts his crying son, and then...after he tries to blow up the factory with them in it, he, Kari, and the two adopted kids, he still ends up with Kari. He is not punished for being a terrorist. He is rewarded for it. Deactivating the bomb means jackshit! He should not get off scot free for this! But he does anyway. Mykan is the worst fafic writer, ever, period, end of discussion, everyone else can clear off.
11th Oct '17 4:05:49 AM ClatoLawa
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* [=SenorCornholio=]: You know... I didn't possibly think Creator/DakariKingMykan's work could get any worse than it has. But then I decided to look at ''Fanfic/CyborgDavis'', and... well, the first half or so isn't anything special, but the last few chapters are some of the worst I've seen. I could have ratted off about TK and Kari's unneeded HumiliationConga, but I think there's another moment in chapter 11 that just defies all reason. Long story short, [[BigBad Yami Ninji]] has a surefire way to get Davis' circuits to fail... by [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer filming TK and Kari while they were having sex and showing it to Davis]]. Not only is this just the most blatant form of shock value, but it's almost completely glossed over; it only exists to give Davis no reason to live on, and nothing more. [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment It comes, and then goes.]] And the kicker? Mykan had this to say in his author's notes, and I quote: "I cannot believe I just did that. I had to make Kari and TK DO IT!!" Yep; he really felt that he had to do it, just to make sure his "gets the girl or dies" policy comes into effect at the end. He can't believe he did that? Neither can I, but for [[SickAndWrong completely different reasons]]. If [[Fanfic/MyBravePonyStarfleetMagic Ace Ray's mind rape]] was the straw that broke the camel's back, and [[spoiler:the aftermath of Twilight's death]] was the what crushed the camel's spine, then this outright burned the camel alive and fed its body to Cerberus.

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* [=SenorCornholio=]: You know... I didn't possibly think Creator/DakariKingMykan's work could get any worse than it has. But then I decided to look at ''Fanfic/CyborgDavis'', and... well, the first half or so isn't anything special, but the last few chapters are some of the worst I've seen. I could have ratted off about TK and Kari's unneeded HumiliationConga, but I think there's another moment in chapter 11 that just defies all reason. Long story short, [[BigBad Yami Ninji]] has a surefire way to get Davis' circuits to fail... by [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer filming TK and Kari while they were having sex and showing it to Davis]]. Not only is this just the most blatant form of shock value, but it's almost completely glossed over; it only exists to give Davis no reason to live on, and nothing more. [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment It comes, and then goes.]] And the kicker? Mykan had this to say in his author's notes, and I quote: "I cannot believe I just did that. I had to make Kari and TK DO IT!!" Yep; he really felt that he had to do it, just to make sure his "gets the girl or dies" policy comes into effect at the end. He can't believe he did that? Neither can I, but for [[SickAndWrong completely different reasons]]. If [[Fanfic/MyBravePonyStarfleetMagic Ace Ray's mind rape]] was the straw that broke the camel's back, and [[spoiler:the aftermath of Twilight's death]] was the what crushed the camel's spine, then this outright burned the camel alive and fed its body to Cerberus.Cerberus.
* Tropers/ClatoLawa: The ''WesternAnimation/MiraculousLadybug'' fic ''Bring Me Home''. Truth be told, I had problems with it right from the start, due to perhaps unfair comparisons with other ''Miraculous'' fics along similar lines (the heroes get separated in the aftermath of Hawkmoth's defeat without getting to reveal their identities, only to be reunited years later [[Fanfic/{{Fermeture}} with]] [[Fanfic/BackToUs variable]] [[Fanfic/RuinedWithYou results]]), but I stuck with it in the hopes that the inevitable reveal and Marinette's reaction to Chat Noir's abandonment would be worth it. For the record, [[WhatTheHellHero/FanWorks it was]], and at this point I was honest-to-God excited about where this could be going - in particular, the possibility of Marinette making up for her own mistake in shutting out Alya and her parents for so long. Instead, we get Marinette, having walked out on Adrien, once again refusing to go to anyone else for help, before getting herself into an incredibly contrived car crash for Adrien to rescue her from, thus forcing her to let go of her anger and rushing the two into a reconciliation barely a third of the way through the story. But the moment that pushed the story from merely disappointing to irredeemable for me, was that when Tikki alerts Adrien to the accident, he repeatedly refuses to put his Miraculous back on, even after being told that he's going to need Cataclysm to get her out of the car, because he wants to avoid Plagg's anger. Yes, obviously he puts it on in time and goes on to rescue her, but the fact remains that his first instinct was to once again put the pain that he wants to avoid, above the pain that he knows someone else is going through, which is exactly what he had been doing to Ladybug the last five years and had just learned the consequences of last night. The fact that he needed Tikki to verbally beat this into him killed all the power this would have had as a redemption moment, and since neither Tikki or Adrien told Marinette that part after she woke up, it taints every theoretically romantic moment Marinette and Adrien have had since, or will ever have for the rest of the story.
20th Sep '17 12:34:37 PM SenorCornholio
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* [=SenorCornholio=]: You know... I didn't possibly think Creator/DakariKingMykan's work could get any worse than it has. But then I decided to look at ''Fanfic/CyborgDavis'', and... well, the first half or so isn't anything special, but the last few chapters are some of the worst I've seen. I could have ratted off about TK and Kari's unneeded HumiliationConga, but I think there's another moment in chapter 11 that just defies all reason. Long story short, [[BigBad Yami Ninji]] has a surefire way to get Davis' circuits to fail... by [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer filming TK and Kari while they were having sex]]. Not only is this just the most blatant form of shock value, but it's almost completely glossed over; it only exists to give Davis no reason to live on, and nothing more. [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment It comes, and then goes.]] And the kicker? Mykan had this to say in his author's notes, and I quote: "I cannot believe I just did that. I had to make Kari and TK DO IT!!" Yep; he really felt that he had to do it, just to make sure his "gets the girl or dies" policy comes into effect at the end. He can't believe he did that? Neither can I, but for [[SickAndWrong completely different reasons]]. If [[Fanfic/MyBravePonyStarfleetMagic Ace Ray's mind rape]] was the straw that broke the camel's back, and [[spoiler:the aftermath of Twilight's death]] was the what crushed the camel's spine, then this outright burned the camel alive and fed its body to Cerberus.

to:

* [=SenorCornholio=]: You know... I didn't possibly think Creator/DakariKingMykan's work could get any worse than it has. But then I decided to look at ''Fanfic/CyborgDavis'', and... well, the first half or so isn't anything special, but the last few chapters are some of the worst I've seen. I could have ratted off about TK and Kari's unneeded HumiliationConga, but I think there's another moment in chapter 11 that just defies all reason. Long story short, [[BigBad Yami Ninji]] has a surefire way to get Davis' circuits to fail... by [[NotMakingThisUpDisclaimer filming TK and Kari while they were having sex]].sex and showing it to Davis]]. Not only is this just the most blatant form of shock value, but it's almost completely glossed over; it only exists to give Davis no reason to live on, and nothing more. [[BigLippedAlligatorMoment It comes, and then goes.]] And the kicker? Mykan had this to say in his author's notes, and I quote: "I cannot believe I just did that. I had to make Kari and TK DO IT!!" Yep; he really felt that he had to do it, just to make sure his "gets the girl or dies" policy comes into effect at the end. He can't believe he did that? Neither can I, but for [[SickAndWrong completely different reasons]]. If [[Fanfic/MyBravePonyStarfleetMagic Ace Ray's mind rape]] was the straw that broke the camel's back, and [[spoiler:the aftermath of Twilight's death]] was the what crushed the camel's spine, then this outright burned the camel alive and fed its body to Cerberus.
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