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** Rose Tyler is meant to be seen as really heroic and loving for crossing dimensions to find the Doctor. Except the Doctor told her that coming back between worlds would destroy both, to which her reaction was [[ItsAllAboutMe "So?"]] She was able to cross worlds due to the Daleks' Reality Bomb collapsing the barriers between Universe, however her dialogue shows she was trying to come back before this happened. And for risking the destruction of two worlds so she could get to someone she loved she gets her own, conveniently human, [[DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest version]] of him (created by a massive AssPull). KarmaHoudini?
** Not only did she get her own version of the Doctor that gets to live with her in Pete's World, she also kisses that human version of the Doctor right in front of the original!

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** Rose Tyler is meant to be seen as really heroic and loving for crossing dimensions to find the Tenth Doctor. Except the Doctor told her that coming back between worlds would destroy both, to which her reaction was [[ItsAllAboutMe "So?"]] She was able to cross worlds due to the Daleks' Reality Bomb collapsing the barriers between Universe, however her dialogue shows she was trying to come back before this happened. And for risking the destruction of two worlds so she could get to someone she loved loved, she gets her own, conveniently human, [[DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest version]] of him (created by a massive AssPull). KarmaHoudini?
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AssPull) -- she get her own version of the Doctor that gets to live with her in Pete's World, she also even kisses that human version of the Doctor right in front of the original!original! All this is '''even worse''' in the wake of the final episodes of Series 9, in which [[spoiler: the Twelfth Doctor]] goes to similarly risky extremes for similar reasons but constantly gets WhatTheHellHero reactions, ends up saying MyGodWhatHaveIDone, and [[spoiler: loses not only Clara, but most of his memories of her]] for their trouble. Is Rose a KarmaHoudini?

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** Clara Oswald becomes one toward the end of season 8. In "Kill The Moon", she overrules the votes of Earth and decides to spare the Moon Creature whose birth might destroy the planet. (Fortunately, it doesn't, but she had no reason to think that it wouldn't.) In "In The Forest Of The Night", upon learning that a solar flare will burn the earth, she rejects the proposition of the Doctor to save herself, Danny and a class of children claiming that she doesn't want to be the last human... without bothering to consult Danny and the children first. But the kicker is the beginning of "Dark Water", [[spoiler: after the sudden death of her boyfriend Danny, she attempts to blackmail the Doctor to save Danny by drugging him and threatening to throw the keys of the Tardis in the lava]] yet [[spoiler: she later gets the chance to see Danny one last time]] and we are supposed to see her as TheWoobie. Remember, the Doctor once kicked Adam out of the Tardis [[MoralDissonance for a far lesser crime]].
** Though in Clara's defence for "Dark Water" [[spoiler: she was operating on grief and does get called out for it.]]

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** Clara Oswald becomes one toward the end of season Series 8. In "Kill The Moon", when the Twelfth Doctor leaves the fate of the Moon Creature -- whose birth might destroy Earth -- in her and humanity's hands, she overrules the votes of Earth and decides to spare the Moon Creature whose birth might destroy the planet. (Fortunately, (Fortunately it doesn't, but she had no reason to think that it wouldn't.wouldn't. She ''and'' the episode are busy seeing the Doctor as in the wrong for trusting humanity to choose to save it rather than just solving the problem himself, an intended gesture of respect that comes off as condescending.) In "In The Forest Of The Night", upon learning that a solar flare will burn the earth, Earth, she rejects the proposition of the Doctor to save herself, her boyfriend Danny and a class of children claiming that she doesn't want to be the last human... without bothering to consult Danny and the children first. first! But the kicker is the beginning of "Dark Water", Water": [[spoiler: after the sudden death of her boyfriend Danny, she attempts to blackmail the Doctor to save Danny him by drugging him and threatening to throw the keys of the Tardis TARDIS in a volcano]]. She is understandably stressed at the lava]] time and the Doctor does call her out on her actions, but that's ''still'' nasty for someone we're supposed to see as TheWoobie -- yet [[spoiler: the Doctor bends over backwards to help her after this and she later eventually gets the chance to see Danny one last time]] and we are supposed to see her as TheWoobie. time]]. Remember, the Ninth Doctor once kicked Adam out of the Tardis TARDIS [[MoralDissonance for a far lesser crime]].
** Though in Clara's defence for "Dark Water" [[spoiler: she was operating on grief and does get called out for it.]]
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** The Tenth Doctor has a tendency to come across as a hypocritical, arrogant and egotistical jerk. His first story has him overthrowing the government because the prime minister blew up a spaceship of aliens whose leader had proven untrustworthy (he tried to kill the Doctor after promising not to leave in peace) and would have likely gone on to decimated other planets. This leads to The Master becoming prime minister followed by a government willing to send ten per cent of Earth's children to a FateWorseThanDeath. He also spends most of Series 3 treating Martha as inferior to Rose and whining about losing Rose and his no second chances rule given to many one off villains is waved for The Master and Davros. He also called his clone a monster for blowing up the daleks (i.e. standard operating procedure for the daleks since their first appearance) despite been capable of slaughtering the universe. Finally he spends most of his regeneration episode whining about how regenerating is equivalent to death even though no past or future incarnation acts like this or any other Time Lord for that matter. And he gets angry at a man who caused his death because he saved someone else's life.

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** The Tenth Doctor has a tendency to come across as a hypocritical, arrogant and egotistical jerk. His first story has him overthrowing the government because the prime minister blew up a spaceship of aliens whose leader had proven untrustworthy (he tried to kill the Doctor after promising not to leave in peace) and would have likely gone on to decimated decimate other planets. This leads to The Master becoming prime minister followed by a government willing to send ten per cent of Earth's children to a FateWorseThanDeath. He also spends most of Series 3 treating Martha as inferior to Rose and whining about losing Rose and his no second chances rule given to many one off villains is waved for The Master and Davros.Davros who have repeatedly shown to not want redemption. He also called his clone a monster for blowing up the daleks (i.e. standard operating procedure for the daleks since their first appearance) despite been capable of slaughtering the universe. Finally he spends most of his regeneration episode whining about how regenerating is equivalent to death even though no past or future incarnation acts like this or any other Time Lord for that matter. And he gets angry at a man who caused his death because he saved someone else's life.

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** ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'': Captain "Designated Hero" Janeway - after stranding her crew in the Delta Quadrant due to reasons largely beyond her control, she forgoes several attempts that would have gotten her back to the Alpha Quadrant, kills one of her crew to restore the status quo, and when given the chance to go back in time and save her crew, rather than preventing them from going to the Delta Quadrant in the first place, she opts to save someone they recruited along the way and abandon nearly a third of her crew to die when they get dragged into the Delta Quadrant. The "Equinox" two-parter is often seen as the worst because because the ''Equinox'' was much worse off than ''Voyager'' and driven to extremity, and her protests seemed more founded on Federation regulations than the brutality the captain was committing on innocent aliens. Her temporary alliance with the Borg against Species 8472 also got her a lot of flack after 8472 were {{Retcon}}ned from ScaryDogmaticAliens that seemed to be out for ThePurge to reasonable people who somehow gave Kes the completely wrong idea while they were {{Mind Rap|e}}ing her. The series' StatusQuoIsGod mandate meant that everyone had to come to an accord by the end of the episode, so these issues never got adequately addressed, nor was there ever a middle ground between "always stand by Federation principles" or "screw it we need to get home," resulting in this kind of mess.

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** ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'': Captain "Designated Hero" Janeway - after stranding her crew in the Delta Quadrant due to reasons largely beyond her control, she forgoes several attempts that would have gotten her back to the Alpha Quadrant, kills one of her crew to restore the status quo, and when given the chance to go back in time and save her crew, rather than preventing them from going to the Delta Quadrant in the first place, she opts to save someone they recruited along the way and abandon nearly a third of her crew to die when they get dragged into the Delta Quadrant. who died before Season 7. The "Equinox" two-parter is often seen as the worst because because the ''Equinox'' was much worse off than ''Voyager'' and driven to extremity, ''Voyager'', and her protests seemed more founded on Federation regulations than the brutality the captain was committing on innocent aliens. Her temporary alliance with the Borg against Species 8472 also got her a lot of flack after 8472 were {{Retcon}}ned from ScaryDogmaticAliens that seemed to be apparently out for ThePurge to reasonable people who somehow gave Kes the completely wrong idea while they were {{Mind Rap|e}}ing her. The series' StatusQuoIsGod mandate meant that everyone had to come to an accord by the end of the episode, so these issues never got adequately addressed, nor was there ever a middle ground between "always stand by Federation principles" or "screw it we need to get home," resulting in this kind of mess.mess.
** ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' suffered a similar problem by trying to create an flawed captain who was nevertheless always right. Archer's childhood grudge against the Vulcans put two bridge officers at risk when he was reluctant to ask the nearby Vulcans for help, and he once sided with the Andorians over his supposed allies without much examination (and after the Andorians attacked ''him''). He also let a sentient species die out because of the Prime Directive before it even ''existed'', caused a diplomatic incident by taking his dog to a sacred grove of trees, and condemned other ships or cultures for doing things he had done or would do in the space of a few episodes. Meanwhile, the secret agent from the future kept saying Archer would be hailed as one of this era's great figures. (The third season has him committing some acts of dubious morality in the name of protecting Earth, but with more self-awareness of that dubiousness.)

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* If one uses AlternateCharacterInterpretation, the agents on ''Series/AgentsOfShield'' are seen like this, still working for a possibly corrupt organization while teaming up with shady characters like Rosalind Price of the ATCU whenever it suits them. They also have tendency to go to extremes for their revenge, yet put themselves on the moral high ground. Finally, they only stopped seeing the Inhumans as a threat due to the latter's connection to [[spoiler: Daisy/Skye]]. They are only really justified in their treatment of Ward, which even borders on extreme (they really hate traitors.). Yet, they have no lingering problems with Bobbi and Mack, who worked with others behind their backs, hijacked Shield from them, and sent Coulson on the run for several weeks. Nor do they have a problem with Simmons's sudden xenophobic attitude towards powered people, or Skye somehow believing that they would randomly attack the Inhumans during a peace meeting to the point where she brutally assaulted two agents, including May.

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* If one uses AlternateCharacterInterpretation, the agents on ''Series/AgentsOfShield'' are seen like this, still working for a possibly corrupt organization while teaming up with shady characters like Rosalind Price of the ATCU whenever it suits them. They also have tendency to go to extremes for their revenge, yet put themselves on the moral high ground. Finally, they only stopped seeing the Inhumans as a threat due to the latter's connection to [[spoiler: Daisy/Skye]]. They are only really justified in their treatment of Ward, which even borders on extreme (they really hate traitors.). Yet, they have no lingering problems with Bobbi and Mack, who worked with others behind their backs, hijacked Shield SHIELD from them, them,having them arrested in the process, and sent Coulson on the run for several weeks. Nor do they have a problem with Simmons's sudden xenophobic attitude towards powered people, or Skye somehow believing that they would randomly attack the Inhumans during a peace meeting to the point where she not only turned on them, but also brutally assaulted two agents, including May.


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** Sadly, thanks to her knowing the truth, [[spoiler: Zayday also is one, using this to become the president of the sorority.]]
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* If one uses AlternateCharacterInterpretation, the agents on ''Series/AgentsOfShield'' are seen like this, still working for a possibly corrupt organization while teaming up with shady characters like Rosalind Price of the ATCU whenever it suits them. They also have tendency to go to extremes for their revenge, yet put themselves on the moral high ground. Finally, they only stopped seeing the Inhumans as a threat due to the latter's connection to [[spoiler: Daisy/Skye]]. They are only really justified in their treatment of Ward, which even borders on extreme (they really hate traitors.)

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* If one uses AlternateCharacterInterpretation, the agents on ''Series/AgentsOfShield'' are seen like this, still working for a possibly corrupt organization while teaming up with shady characters like Rosalind Price of the ATCU whenever it suits them. They also have tendency to go to extremes for their revenge, yet put themselves on the moral high ground. Finally, they only stopped seeing the Inhumans as a threat due to the latter's connection to [[spoiler: Daisy/Skye]]. They are only really justified in their treatment of Ward, which even borders on extreme (they really hate traitors.)). Yet, they have no lingering problems with Bobbi and Mack, who worked with others behind their backs, hijacked Shield from them, and sent Coulson on the run for several weeks. Nor do they have a problem with Simmons's sudden xenophobic attitude towards powered people, or Skye somehow believing that they would randomly attack the Inhumans during a peace meeting to the point where she brutally assaulted two agents, including May.

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* If one uses AlternateCharacterInterpretation, the agents on ''Series/AgentsOfShield'' are seen like this, still working for a possibly corrupt organization while teaming up with shady characters like Rosalind Price of the ATCU whenever it suits them. They also have tendency to go to extremes for their revenge, yet put themselves on the moral high ground. Finally, they only stopped seeing the Inhumans as a threat due to the latter's connection to [[spoiler: Daisy/Skye]].

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* If one uses AlternateCharacterInterpretation, the agents on ''Series/AgentsOfShield'' are seen like this, still working for a possibly corrupt organization while teaming up with shady characters like Rosalind Price of the ATCU whenever it suits them. They also have tendency to go to extremes for their revenge, yet put themselves on the moral high ground. Finally, they only stopped seeing the Inhumans as a threat due to the latter's connection to [[spoiler: Daisy/Skye]].Daisy/Skye]]. They are only really justified in their treatment of Ward, which even borders on extreme (they really hate traitors.)
* The biggest example yet may be in ''Series/ScreamQueens'' with Grace. She spent most of the season trying to find out a) who was running around killing people; and b) who were the babies born in the bathtub. Only, she was really doing this to prove her theory that she was one of those babies, and kept making the situation about her. In the finale, [[spoiler: she finally figured out that Hester was the killer...only to allow Hester to not only get away with it, but also framed Chanel and her friends in the process. In the end, Graced ended up remaking the sorority in the image she wanted, so apparently a psycho killing people that had nothing to do with the death of her mom twenty years ago and framing relatively innocent ones worked out in her favor.]]
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* If one uses AlternateCharacterInterpretation, the agents on ''Series/AgentsOfShield'' are seen like this, still working for a possibly corrupt organization while teaming up with shady characters like Rosalind Price of the ATCU whenever it suits them. They also have tendency to go to extremes for their revenge, yet put themselves on the moral high ground. Finally, they only stopped seeing the Inhumans as a threat due to the latter's connection to [[spoiler: Daisy/Skye]].
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** Both of the deaths over Excalibur were accidental, caused by Merlin losing control of his powers, and the fight happened because Merlin had a vision that the Caliburn the smith, who admitted to still having violent urges, would kill Arthur. Merlin isn't a traditionally heroic character, but his manipulative nature is because he believes that UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans. As for not doing anything unambiguously good, what about being willing to sacrifice his life to save Arthur's mother in the season finale and only stopping when she tells him she doesn't want him to die for her?
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* ''Series/{{Dexter}}'' started off his eponymous series as a callous, self-centered serial killer of a VillainProtagonist. However, towards the end of the series, it seems it was intended for him to undergo CharacterDevelopment and become a more functional and moral hero, based on how every other character [[CharacterShilling shills him to high heaven.]] In practice, he remained exactly as callous, self-centered, and murderous as he ever was, culminating in [[http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/dexter-remember-the-monsters-102659 the last episode,]] where he [[spoiler:MercyKills his sister, steals her body from the hospital, dumps it in the ocean, and fakes his own death, abandoning his son to the care of his murderous girlfriend while he works as a lumberjack]], all while every other character tells us that this is perfectly moral and he deserves to do it.

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* ''Series/{{Dexter}}'' started off his eponymous series as a callous, self-centered serial killer of a VillainProtagonist. However, towards the end of the series, it seems it was intended for him to undergo CharacterDevelopment and become a more functional and moral hero, based on how every other character [[CharacterShilling shills him to high heaven.]] In practice, he remained exactly as callous, self-centered, and murderous as he ever was, culminating in [[http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/dexter-remember-the-monsters-102659 the last episode,]] where he [[spoiler:MercyKills [[spoiler:{{Mercy Kill}}s his sister, steals her body from the hospital, dumps it in the ocean, and fakes his own death, abandoning his son to the care of his murderous girlfriend while he works as a lumberjack]], all while every other character tells us that this is perfectly moral and he deserves to do it.
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* ''Series/{{Dexter}}'' started off his eponymous series as a callous, self-centered serial killer of a VillainProtagonist. However, towards the end of the series, it seems it was intended for him to undergo CharacterDevelopment and become a more functional and moral hero, based on how every other character [[CharacterShilling shills him to high heaven.]] In practice, he remained exactly as callous, self-centered, and murderous as he ever was, culminating in [[http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/dexter-remember-the-monsters-102659 the last episode,]] where he [[spoiler:MercyKills his sister, steals her body from the hospital, dumps it in the ocean, and fakes his own death, abandoning his son to the care of his murderous girlfriend while he works as a lumberjack]], all while every other character tells us that this is perfectly moral and he deserves to do it.
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** Not all of these examples really work. The whole point of the episode about Monica and Chandler's engagement night was that she wasn't trying to steal Monica's thunder and that Monica was just insecure. She also hardly stole attention during the wedding day as only Phoebe knew she was pregnant.
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** Not all of these examples really work. The whole point of the episode about Monica and Chandler's engagement night was that she wasn't trying to steal Monica's thunder and that Monica was just insecure. She also hardly stole attention during the wedding day as only Phoebe knew she was pregnant.

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* ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'': After a few seasons, both of the Winchester brothers slaughter hundreds of demons, killing their human hosts in the process - even when they have the knowledge and opportunity to perform an exorcism which would save the host. [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality Unless it's someone they know who's possessed]].
** In their many arguments throughout the series, both brothers have occasionally made selfish or hypocritical decisions that the narrative expects us to support, such as Sam retiring from hunting and not trying to find Dean in season 8, or Dean tricking Sam into letting an angel possess him to save his life.
** By the end of Season 10, both of them have rejected opportunities to defeat literally apocalyptic evils for purely selfish reasons. Season 8 ends with Sam [[spoiler:aborting a ritual to seal all demons away in Hell permanently because it would cost him his life, which Dean refuses to accept.]] Dean spends Season 10 [[spoiler:being driven by the Mark of Cain to increasingly gratuitous acts of violence, before learning that the Mark is a LeakingCanOfEvil for the primordial Darkness that brought about Lucifer's fall]]; in the finale, [[spoiler:he kills Death and lets the Darkness escape rather than sacrifice himself and Sam to remove it from Earth permanently]].

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* ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'': After a few seasons, both of the Winchester brothers slaughter hundreds of demons, killing their human hosts in the process - even when they have the knowledge and opportunity to perform an exorcism which would save the host. [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality Unless it's someone they know who's possessed]]. \n** In their many arguments throughout the series, both brothers have occasionally made selfish or hypocritical decisions that the narrative expects us to support, such as Sam retiring from hunting and not trying to find Dean in season 8, or Dean tricking Sam into letting an angel possess him to save his life.
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life. By the end of Season 10, both of them have rejected opportunities to defeat literally apocalyptic evils for purely selfish reasons. Season 8 ends with Sam [[spoiler:aborting a ritual to seal all demons away in Hell permanently because it would cost him his life, which Dean refuses to accept.]] accept]]. Dean spends Season 10 [[spoiler:being driven by the Mark of Cain to increasingly gratuitous acts of violence, before learning that the Mark is a LeakingCanOfEvil for the primordial Darkness that brought about Lucifer's fall]]; in the finale, [[spoiler:he kills Death and lets the Darkness escape rather than sacrifice himself and Sam to remove it from Earth permanently]].
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* In many ways, the ''entire main cast'' of ''Series/FearTheWalkingDead'' becomes more and more pragmatic as time passes, to the point that they do dangerous and foolish things (that may cause more collateral damage as opposed to solving the problem) in order to protect their families. This may have been a deliberate choice on the part of the showrunners.
** Although Madison does tell the Cruz family about the outbreak, she stands back and does absolutely nothing (except tell her children to get away from the window) when the undead Peter Dawson attacks Ms. Cruz on her front lawn. As a result, the walker murders the entire Cruz family, including their daughter. Later on, she never displays any remorse or care about telling her other neighbors about the planned [[KillEmAll Cobalt protocol]], on the grounds that they never bothered to help her family when Nick was taken.
** Daniel Salazar. He [[spoiler: tortures a US soldier for information, worked as a TortureTechnician back in El Salvador under a brutal dictatorship, was implied to have killed helpless civilians, and leads a herd of walkers towards a military base in order to break out his group's friends, which ultimately leads to the death of Liza by mistake. He is also implied to be a war criminal hiding in the US]]. Nevertheless, we're supposed to root for him anyway.
** Really, the entire party gets this by the end of the first season. They not only choose to leave the gate to the safezone wide open after passing through it (even though they know there are walkers around, and there are people still alive inside), but they choose to unleash a massive horde on a military base so that they might have a chance to save two people. Although the end result is ultimately successful (they save Nick and Strand, who leads them to a safehouse), the act of doing so results in [[spoiler:Liza being bit and having to be [[MercyKill mercy-killed]] by Travis]]. In the end, countless soldiers and patients are killed thanks to their actions, and the fate of the civilians that were let out of the prison cells inside the base and left to fend for themselves is [[WhatHappenedToTheMouse never addressed]].

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** The Tenth Doctor has a tendency to come across as a hypocritical, arrogant and egotistical jerk. His first story has him overthrowing the government because the prime minister blow up a spaceship of aliens whose leader had proven untrustworthy (he tried to kill the Doctor after promising not to leave in peace) and would have likely gone on to decimated other planets. This leads to The Master becoming prime minister followed by a government willing to send ten per cent of Earth's children to a FateWorseThanDeath. He also spends most of Series 3 treating Martha as inferior to Rose and whining about losing Rose and his no second chances rule given to many one off villains is waved for The Master and Davros. He also called his clone a monster for blowing up the daleks (i.e. standard operating procedure for the daleks since their first appearance) despite been capable of slaughtering the universe. Finally he spends moat of his regeneration episode whining about how regenerating is equivalent to death even though no past or future incarnation acts like this or any other Time Lord for that matter. And he gets angry at a man who caused his death because he saved someone else's life.

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** The Tenth Doctor has a tendency to come across as a hypocritical, arrogant and egotistical jerk. His first story has him overthrowing the government because the prime minister blow blew up a spaceship of aliens whose leader had proven untrustworthy (he tried to kill the Doctor after promising not to leave in peace) and would have likely gone on to decimated other planets. This leads to The Master becoming prime minister followed by a government willing to send ten per cent of Earth's children to a FateWorseThanDeath. He also spends most of Series 3 treating Martha as inferior to Rose and whining about losing Rose and his no second chances rule given to many one off villains is waved for The Master and Davros. He also called his clone a monster for blowing up the daleks (i.e. standard operating procedure for the daleks since their first appearance) despite been capable of slaughtering the universe. Finally he spends moat most of his regeneration episode whining about how regenerating is equivalent to death even though no past or future incarnation acts like this or any other Time Lord for that matter. And he gets angry at a man who caused his death because he saved someone else's life.


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** The Eleventh Doctor displays some of this as well at times. In ''Day of The Moon'', he gleefully brainwashes humanity into ''committing genocide'' on the Silences even though, by his own admission, the Earth also belongs to the Silences. In ''The Almost People'', he [[ExpendableClone murders Amy’s clone]] to learn the original Amy's location after spending the entire episode [[{{Hypocrite}} berating miners for treating clones as disposable and less important than the originals]]. In ''The Girl Who Waited'', he erases an aged Amy from existence [[ILied after making her believe he could save her]].
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** The 10th Doctor undergoes this several times. In "The Christmas Invasion" he brings down Harriet Jones, apparently changing history and preventing Britain's Golden Age, because he didn't like her destroying the Sycorax. While her actions were certainly not morally impeccable, the Doctor criticises others for changing history and later stories seem to show he made things worse by doing this.
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** The Sixth Doctor's [[NeverLiveItDown most famous moment]] is strangling his companion in his first story. Throughout the rest of the serial he acts incredibly cowardly and at one point decides to blame Peri (the above mentioned companion) for everything; he never apologises or gets called out for any of this. The rest of his time with Peri can not help but invite uncomfortable similarities to an abusive relationship. On top of that he is one of the most violent Doctors. Thankfully the audios fix all these problems.
** The Tenth Doctor has a tendency to come across as a hypocritical, arrogant and egotistical jerk. His first story has him overthrowing the government because the prime minister blow up a spaceship of aliens whose leader had proven untrustworthy (he tried to kill the Doctor after promising not to leave in peace) and would have likely gone on to decimated other planets. This leads to The Master becoming prime minister followed by a government willing to send ten per cent of Earth's children to a FateWorseThanDeath. He also spends most of Series 3 treating Martha as inferior to Rose and whining about losing Rose and his no second chances rule given to many one off villains is waved for The Master and Davros. He also called his clone a monster for blowing up the daleks (i.e. standard operating procedure for the daleks since their first appearance) despite been capable of slaughtering the universe. Finally he spends moat of his regeneration episode whining about how regenerating is equivalent to death even though no past or future incarnation acts like this or any other Time Lord for that matter. And he gets angry at a man who caused his death because he saved someone else's life.
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** By the end of Season 10, both of them have rejected opportunities to defeat literally apocalyptic evils for purely selfish reasons. Season 8 ends with Sam [[spoiler:aborting a ritual to seal all demons away in Hell permanently because it would cost him his life, which Dean refuses to accept.]] Dean spends Season 10 [[spoiler:being driven by the Mark of Cain to increasingly gratuitous acts of violence, before learning that the Mark is a LeakingCanOfEvil for the primordial Darkness that brought about Lucifer's fall]]; in the finale, [[spoiler:he kills Death and lets the Darkness escape rather than sacrifice himself and Sam to remove it from Earth permanently]].

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* ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'': Leonard, as he has gained a generally jerk demeanor and holier-than-thou attitude as the series went on.
** Sheldon has become this as the series went on as well, with him being so needlessly dickish that it defies the boundaries of any AmbiguousDisorder.

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** Sheldon has become this as the series went on over time as well, with him being so needlessly dickish that it defies the boundaries of any AmbiguousDisorder.



** Really, depending on your view of things, ''all'' of the main cast falls under this trope. They all have character flaws, which would be a good thing if those flaws hadn't been subjected to bizarre quantities of {{Flanderization}} through the years, and many one-time fans of the show have lost their affection for the series due to the cast having evolved into being so unlikable.



** For many fans, Buffy is the DH for much of [[SeasonalRot Seasons Six and Seven.]] However, there were implications that Buffy wasn't exactly being herself, being under even more massive pressure than usually, and having gone through several traumatic experiences in a short time. This has been played with several times, from Buffy's temper tantrum that she wasn't allowed to kill Faith and Series/{{Angel}} telling her to get stuffed, to her being rejected by the potential slayers, to a storyline where a rogue slayer intends to kill Buffy because of how much of a princess she is.

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** For many fans, Buffy is the DH for much of [[SeasonalRot Seasons Six and Seven.]] However, there were implications that Buffy wasn't exactly being herself, being under even more massive pressure than usually, usual, and having gone through several traumatic experiences in a short time. This has been played with several times, from Buffy's temper tantrum that she wasn't allowed to kill Faith and Series/{{Angel}} telling her to get stuffed, to her being rejected by the potential slayers, to a storyline where a rogue slayer intends to kill Buffy because of how much of a princess she is.



* ''Series/{{Charmed}}'': The Charmed Ones, in the later seasons, have stopped thinking about saving people and are more about themselves. They cast magic on innocent people, needlessly set up a human criminal up to get killed by demons in their home, and joined up with a bunch of magical extremists to wipe out free will for the sake of destroying evil. Then they faked their deaths and got a new girl (played by the same actress as the aforementioned Penny from ''Big Bang Theory'') to do all the work for them. Seriously, the new girl [[spoiler:being [[DefectorFromDecadence convinced]] by [[BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil her]] [[BrainwashedAndCrazy sister]] to [[FaceHeelTurn turn heel]] and the two of them almost being powerful enough to kill the Halliwells (before she got better, anyway)]] was practically a [[LaserGuidedKarma due backfire]].
* Played with for most of Chris Liley's characters. The most glaring examplles being the ones form ''Series/SummerHeightsHigh'':

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* ''Series/{{Charmed}}'': The Charmed Ones, in the later seasons, have stopped thinking about saving people and are more about themselves. They cast magic on innocent people, needlessly set up a human criminal up to get killed by demons in their home, and joined join up with a bunch of magical extremists to wipe out free will for the sake of destroying evil. Then they faked fake their deaths and got get a new girl (played by the same actress as the aforementioned Penny from ''Big Bang Theory'') to do all the work for them. Seriously, the new girl [[spoiler:being [[DefectorFromDecadence convinced]] by [[BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil her]] [[BrainwashedAndCrazy sister]] to [[FaceHeelTurn turn heel]] and the two of them almost being powerful enough to kill the Halliwells (before she got better, anyway)]] was practically a [[LaserGuidedKarma due backfire]].
* Played with for most of Chris Liley's characters. The characters, the most glaring examplles examples being the ones form from ''Series/SummerHeightsHigh'':



* ''Series/CriminalMinds'': Edward Allen Bernero stated that Jason Gideon was meant to be the central character to the show, even though episodes tended towards ensemble-like setups. Furthermore, Gideon as a character wasn't particularly nice to the rest of the team, as he frequently disobeys the chain of command (giving orders to the team when it's supposed to be Hotch's job), being terribly difficult to work with and not being very approachable. Hotch called him out on this in "What Fresh Hell?", telling him that he bought flowers for Garcia (after Gideon proved extremely difficult with her in the previous episode) and said they were from Gideon explaining, "Jason, people need to know that they're important, and sometimes you forget that."

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* ''Series/CriminalMinds'': Edward Allen Bernero stated that Jason Gideon was meant to be the central character to the show, even though episodes tended towards ensemble-like setups. Furthermore, Gideon as a character wasn't isn't particularly nice to the rest of the team, as he frequently disobeys the chain of command (giving orders to the team when it's supposed to be Hotch's job), being terribly difficult to work with and not being very approachable. Hotch called him out on this in "What Fresh Hell?", telling him that he bought flowers for Garcia (after Gideon proved extremely difficult with her in the previous episode) and said they were from Gideon Gideon, explaining, "Jason, people need to know that they're important, and sometimes you forget that."



** In "Tooth and Claw" when people are getting torn to pieces by a werewolf Rose's main priority still seems to be [[SkewedPriorities winning a bet]] with the Doctor she can get Victoria to say she is not amused. In that episode she can come across as a NightmareFetishist and it isn't surprising Victoria gets so angry at Rose and the Doctor for seeming to enjoy the horrific events.
** The 10th Doctor can undergo this several times. In "The Christmas Invasion" he brings down Harriet Jones, apparently changing history and preventing Britain's Golden Age, because he didn't like her destroying the Sycorax. While her actions were certainly not morally impeccable, the Doctor criticises others for changing history and later stories seem to show he made things worse by doing this.
** Lady Christina de Souza, the ClassyCatBurglar from "Planet of the Dead". She is meant to be the heroic companion figure. However arguably nothing she does is particularly heroic, only self-preservation. She is introduced stealing a museum artefact and doesn't seem at all unhappy that her possible boyfriend gets arrested. And finally the Doctor helping her escape the Police is meant to be seen as a great moment, and McMillian as an InspectorJavert for wanting to arrest her. However he was completely justified in arresting her, in which case Christina is a KarmaHoudini. To add insult to injury in ComicBook/DoctorWhoIDW she still gets away with committing crimes after leaving Earth.
** Clara Oswald becomes one toward the end of season 8. In "Kill The Moon", she overules the votes of Earth and decides to spare the Moon Creature whose birth might destroy the planet (Fortunately, it doesn't though for all she knew it would). In "In The Forest Of The Night", upon learning that a solar flare will burn the earth, she rejects the proposition of the Doctor to save herself, Danny and a class of children claiming that she doesn't want to be the last human... without bothering to consult Danny and the children first. But the kicker is the beginning of "Dark Water", [[spoiler: after the sudden death of her boyfriend Danny, she attempts to blackmail the Doctor to save Danny by drugging him and threatening to throw the keys of the Tardis in the lava]] yet [[spoiler: she later gets the chance to see Danny one last time]] and we are supposed to see her as TheWoobie. Remember, the Doctor once kicked Adam out of the Tardis [[MoralDissonance for a far lesser crime]].

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** In "Tooth and Claw" Claw," when people are getting torn to pieces by a werewolf werewolf, Rose's main priority still seems to be [[SkewedPriorities winning a bet]] with the Doctor that she can get Victoria to say she is not amused. In that episode she can come across as a NightmareFetishist and it isn't surprising Victoria gets so angry at Rose and the Doctor for seeming to enjoy the horrific events.
** The 10th Doctor can undergo undergoes this several times. In "The Christmas Invasion" he brings down Harriet Jones, apparently changing history and preventing Britain's Golden Age, because he didn't like her destroying the Sycorax. While her actions were certainly not morally impeccable, the Doctor criticises others for changing history and later stories seem to show he made things worse by doing this.
** Lady Christina de Souza, the ClassyCatBurglar from "Planet of the Dead". She is meant to be the heroic companion figure. However arguably nothing she does is particularly heroic, only self-preservation. She is introduced stealing a museum artefact and doesn't seem at all unhappy that her possible boyfriend gets arrested. And finally the Doctor helping her escape the Police police is meant to be seen as a great moment, and McMillian [=McMillian=] as an InspectorJavert for wanting to arrest her. However he was completely justified in arresting her, in which case Christina is a KarmaHoudini. To add insult to injury in ComicBook/DoctorWhoIDW she still gets away with committing crimes after leaving Earth.
** Clara Oswald becomes one toward the end of season 8. In "Kill The Moon", she overules overrules the votes of Earth and decides to spare the Moon Creature whose birth might destroy the planet planet. (Fortunately, it doesn't though for all doesn't, but she knew had no reason to think that it would). wouldn't.) In "In The Forest Of The Night", upon learning that a solar flare will burn the earth, she rejects the proposition of the Doctor to save herself, Danny and a class of children claiming that she doesn't want to be the last human... without bothering to consult Danny and the children first. But the kicker is the beginning of "Dark Water", [[spoiler: after the sudden death of her boyfriend Danny, she attempts to blackmail the Doctor to save Danny by drugging him and threatening to throw the keys of the Tardis in the lava]] yet [[spoiler: she later gets the chance to see Danny one last time]] and we are supposed to see her as TheWoobie. Remember, the Doctor once kicked Adam out of the Tardis [[MoralDissonance for a far lesser crime]].



* ''Series/TheFollowing'': Both the main character as well as the [=FBI=] are incredibly incompetent and act like idiots. Ryan Hardy, TheHero, thinks that [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou he and only he]] can take down SerialKiller Joe Carroll and his cult of maniacs, to the point where he ends up getting several police officers and innocent people harmed or killed and getting furious when anyone but him crosses the line to save their loved ones, as well as playing the very role Carroll wants him to play in the first place; on the other hand, the Feds aren't much better, repeatedly underestimating both Hardy and the cult and making many stupid mistakes. Both Hardy and the Feds also fail to consider that if Joe had people watching both his family ''and'' his only surviving victim, [[spoiler: then he might have had someone watching Ryan as well- this last one gets Hardy stabbed and Claire killed.]] The only reason the good guys win is that the cult turns out to be just as self-sabotaging themselves in the long run, but at least the cult has the excuse that they are all AxCrazy; Hardy and the Feds are just selfish and stupid.
* ''Series/{{Friends}}'': Rachel. She refuses to take Ross back but abuses any girl he tries to date (backstabbing the adorable Julie, shaving Bonnie's head, planning to ruin Emily's wedding and insulting a girl who flirts with him). She emotionally abuses Ross making him break up with girls and then putting stipulations on them getting back together, helping ruin his marriage, then says he's too 'messed up' to date, and forbidding him from dating her sister. She's also [[ItsAllAboutMe incredibly self-centred]], stealing Monica and Chandler's engagement night ''and'' wedding day, belittling others' problems, constantly complaining about her own and telling Monica and Chandler they have to come to her baby's birthday party, so they can't go away after they spent a fortune on a room [[spoiler:to reconnect after they've discovered ''they can't have children!'']]

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* ''Series/TheFollowing'': Both the main character as well as the [=FBI=] are incredibly incompetent and act like idiots. Ryan Hardy, TheHero, thinks that [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou he and only he]] can take down SerialKiller Joe Carroll and his cult of maniacs, to the point where he ends up getting several police officers and innocent people harmed or killed and getting furious when anyone but him crosses the line to save their loved ones, as well as playing the very role Carroll wants him to play in the first place; on the other hand, the Feds aren't much better, repeatedly underestimating both Hardy and the cult and making many stupid mistakes. Both Hardy and the Feds also fail to consider that if Joe had people watching both his family ''and'' his only surviving victim, [[spoiler: then he might have had someone watching Ryan as well- well - this last one gets Hardy stabbed and Claire killed.]] The only reason the good guys win is that the cult turns out to be just as self-sabotaging themselves in the long run, but at least the cult has the excuse that they are all AxCrazy; Hardy and the Feds are just selfish and stupid.
* ''Series/{{Friends}}'': Rachel. She refuses to take Ross back but abuses any girl he tries to date (backstabbing the adorable Julie, shaving Bonnie's head, planning to ruin Emily's wedding and insulting a girl who flirts with him). She emotionally abuses Ross making him break up with girls and then putting puts stipulations on them getting back together, helping helps to ruin his marriage, marriage and then says he's too 'messed up' to date, and forbidding him from dating her sister. She's also [[ItsAllAboutMe incredibly self-centred]], stealing Monica and Chandler's engagement night ''and'' wedding day, belittling others' problems, constantly complaining about her own own, and telling Monica and Chandler they have to come to her baby's birthday party, so they can't go away after they spent a fortune on a room [[spoiler:to reconnect after they've discovered ''they can't have children!'']]



* ''Series/{{iCarly}}'': Carly never stops her [=Jerkass=] friend Sam from bullying others. What kind of friend lets another friend bully her other friends? Then in "iMove Out," when Freddie's mom came on the set to humiliate her son, instead of turning off the camera, she points it at Freddie while he's getting embarrassed. And that's not even getting into Carly's emotional manipulation of [[DoggedNiceGuy Fredd]][[TheWoobie ie...]]

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* ''Series/{{iCarly}}'': Carly never stops her [=Jerkass=] friend Sam from bullying others. What kind of friend lets another one friend bully her other friends? Then in "iMove Out," when Freddie's mom came on the set to humiliate her son, instead of turning off the camera, she points it at Freddie while he's getting embarrassed. And that's not even getting into Carly's emotional manipulation of [[DoggedNiceGuy Fredd]][[TheWoobie ie...]]



** It doesn't help that the detectives and prosecutors tend to have a smug attitude most of the time. Almost veering into SmugSnake territory.

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** It doesn't help that the detectives and prosecutors tend to have a smug attitude most of the time. Almost time, almost veering into SmugSnake territory.



**** A bit false, though he counts as a DH. Locke was pretty clearly connected to the island from the very beginning, regardless of his actions. [[spoiler: As the final season illustrates, pretty much all the main characters were.]]

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**** *** A bit false, though he counts as a DH. Locke was pretty clearly connected to the island from the very beginning, regardless of his actions. [[spoiler: As the final season illustrates, pretty much all the main characters were.]]



* Judge Harry Stone from ''NightCourt'' was a straight-up hero throughout the entire show, except for a single episode, where a high-class brothel is raided and their records are seized. The madam begs Harry to make the case disappear, since she doesn't want her clients to be swept up in the sting, arguing that they are good men who were nice to the prostitutes and don't deserve the stigma. Nonetheless, they were still visiting prostitutes, many of them were married, and often shared highly sensitive details of their work with the girls. For some reason Harry agonises over this until he realises that the clients, many of whom were wealthy and powerful men, including politicians and military commanders, have friends in high places that can make it go away for him. So he contacts the Pentagon and an Admiral quickly arrives to take the records in the name of security. This is portrayed as a happy ending, apparently using political corruption to cover up the adultery and serious security breaches of the country's leaders is okay if said leaders were polite to the prostitutes they visited.
** What's worse is that this was extremely out of character for Harry, who was consistently portrayed as kind and compassionate to the people he judged, but ultimately a stickler for the law; often ruling against his friends, family or childhood idols if it was his duty.
* ''Series/TheOfficeUS'': Has Jim & Pam, who are supposed to be normal, but are actually kinda pricks. Jim knew he wasn't supposed to upset Andy when he was at Stamford, but he did, and he did it again at Scranton. He picked on Andy - someone he ''knew'' had anger management issues - enough to make him punch a hole in the wall. He even probably endangered Pam in helping too. Between the two of them, they were lusting after each other, regardless of the feelings of the people they were involved with. They also broke company policy in the baby shower ep with the bluetooth and making themselves noticeable enough to warrant investigation ([[FridgeBrilliance though considering how lax Michael is with office policy, he probably let it slide]]). Sometimes Jim's pranks on Dwight go too far (enough to give him a bit of a HeroicBSOD when regaling). The writers do notice this sometimes, especially in later seasons. A few episode show Jim being embarrassed by his immaturity, and show Dwight as more of a victim. This depiction is closer to the UK version, where Tim and Dawn were often presented as immature bullies, and not just playful jokers.
* ''Promised Land'': Shamaya Taggert from the ''Series/TouchedByAnAngel'' spin off. You're supposed to like this character, but she come off as a bitter self righteous pretentious prick.

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* Judge Harry Stone from ''NightCourt'' was a straight-up hero throughout the entire show, except for a single episode, where a high-class brothel is raided and their records are seized. The madam begs Harry to make the case disappear, since she doesn't want her clients to be swept up in the sting, arguing that they are good men who were nice to the prostitutes and don't deserve the stigma. Nonetheless, they were still visiting prostitutes, many of them were married, and they often shared highly sensitive details of their work with the girls. For some reason Harry agonises over this until he realises that the clients, many of whom were wealthy and powerful men, including politicians and military commanders, have friends in high places that can make it go away for him. So he contacts the Pentagon and an Admiral quickly arrives to take the records in the name of security. This is portrayed as a happy ending, apparently ending; apparently, using political corruption to cover up the adultery and serious security breaches of the country's leaders is okay if said leaders were polite to the prostitutes they visited.
** What's worse is that this was extremely out of character for Harry, who was consistently portrayed as kind and compassionate to the people he judged, but ultimately a stickler for the law; he often ruling ruled against his friends, family or childhood idols if it was his duty.
* ''Series/TheOfficeUS'': Has ''Series/TheOfficeUS'' has Jim & Pam, who are supposed to be normal, but are actually kinda pricks. Jim knew he wasn't supposed to upset Andy when he was at Stamford, but he did, and he did it again at Scranton. He picked on Andy - someone he ''knew'' had anger management issues - enough to make him punch a hole in the wall. He even probably endangered Pam in helping too. Between the two of them, For a long time, they were lusting after each other, regardless of the feelings of the people with whom they were involved with. involved. They also broke company policy in the baby shower ep with the bluetooth Bluetooth and making themselves noticeable enough to warrant investigation ([[FridgeBrilliance though considering how lax Michael is with office policy, he probably let it slide]]). Sometimes Jim's pranks on Dwight go too far (enough to give him a bit of a HeroicBSOD when regaling). The writers do notice this sometimes, especially in later seasons. A few episode episodes show Jim being embarrassed by his immaturity, and show Dwight as more of a victim. This depiction is closer to the UK version, where Tim and Dawn were often presented as immature bullies, and not just playful jokers.
* ''Promised Land'': Shamaya Taggert from the ''Series/TouchedByAnAngel'' spin off. You're supposed to like this character, but she come off as a bitter self righteous bitter, self-righteous, pretentious prick.



* ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'': After a few seasons, both of the Winchester brothers slaughter hundreds of demons killing their human hosts in the process even when they have the knowledge and opportunity to perform an exorcism which would save the host. [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality Unless it's someone they know who's possessed]].

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* ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'': After a few seasons, both of the Winchester brothers slaughter hundreds of demons demons, killing their human hosts in the process - even when they have the knowledge and opportunity to perform an exorcism which would save the host. [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality Unless it's someone they know who's possessed]].



* ''Series/VeronicaMars'': It's easy to sympathize with her backstory, which includes ParentalAbandonment, rape and subsequent social exile. It's not so easy to actually ''like'' her, as she's incredibly manipulative, enables various illegal actions throughout the series (including the kidnapping of a baby), uses her friends as pawns (sometimes putting their lives in danger) and is just outright ''mean'' to most people she speaks to on a regular basis. One could make a solid argument that the only difference between Veronica and the [[AlphaBitch popular crowd]] she was once part of is that fact that she's directing her manipulative tendencies into a profession which ostensibly helps people -- notably, her behavior worsens in season three when she has no central mystery to solve. It must be pointed out, however, that this was part and parcel of what many fans saw as the show's degeneration after season one. In the first season, Veronica seemed genuinely good and kind under her understandably gruff exterior, and seemed to genuinely care for the people she helped. It was in the subsequent seasons that she really became a hero in name only.

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* ''Series/VeronicaMars'': It's easy to sympathize with her backstory, which includes ParentalAbandonment, rape and subsequent social exile. It's not so easy to actually ''like'' her, as she's incredibly manipulative, enables various illegal actions throughout the series (including the kidnapping of a baby), uses her friends as pawns (sometimes putting their lives in danger) and is just outright ''mean'' to most people she speaks to on a regular basis. One could make a solid argument that the only difference between Veronica and the [[AlphaBitch popular crowd]] she was once part of is that the fact that she's directing her manipulative tendencies into a profession which ostensibly helps people -- notably, her behavior worsens in season three when she has no central mystery to solve. It must be pointed out, however, that this was part and parcel of what many fans saw as the show's degeneration after season one. In the first season, Veronica seemed genuinely good and kind under her understandably gruff exterior, and seemed to genuinely care for the people she helped. It was in the subsequent seasons that she really became a hero in name only.
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* ''Series/DawsonsCreek'': Dawson. He normally acts like a spoiled, self-centred [=Jerkass=], especially in Season 3. After he himself rejected Joey, he is furious when she falls in love with Pacey. He forces her to choose between their friendship and Pacey, alienates Pacey and tries to win Joey back in an increasingly manipulative, underhand way. (Including almost killing Pacey in a sailing race, lying to Joey about renewing their friendship and tricking Joey to going to the prom with him). All of this is treated as a normal competition to 'win the girl'.

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* ''Series/DawsonsCreek'': Dawson. He Dawson normally acts like a spoiled, self-centred [=Jerkass=], especially in Season 3. After he himself rejected Joey, he is furious when she falls in love with Pacey. He forces her to choose between their friendship and Pacey, alienates Pacey and tries to win Joey back in an increasingly manipulative, underhand way. (Including almost killing Pacey in a sailing race, lying to Joey about renewing their friendship and tricking Joey to going to the prom with him). All of this is treated as a normal competition to 'win the girl'.
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* ''EverybodyLovesRaymond'': The title character's wife becomes this in the later seasons, as the show devoted ever-increasing amounts of screentime to the war between her and her mother-in-law, and kept trying to shill her as the heroine. What made it really ridiculous was the fact that her behavior was ''exactly the same as the mother-in-law's'' (i.e., bullying other family members, being arrogant and condescending,etc.), which made it really hard to actually root for her, as there seemed to be no real difference between the two characters. In fact, the wife's behavior was arguably even ''worse'' than her mother-in-law's, because she physically and emotionally abused her husband in virtually every episode of the mid-to-later seasons.

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* ''EverybodyLovesRaymond'': ''Series/EverybodyLovesRaymond'': The title character's wife becomes this in the later seasons, as the show devoted ever-increasing amounts of screentime to the war between her and her mother-in-law, and kept trying to shill her as the heroine. What made it really ridiculous was the fact that her behavior was ''exactly the same as the mother-in-law's'' (i.e., bullying other family members, being arrogant and condescending,etc.), which made it really hard to actually root for her, as there seemed to be no real difference between the two characters. In fact, the wife's behavior was arguably even ''worse'' than her mother-in-law's, because she physically and emotionally abused her husband in virtually every episode of the mid-to-later seasons.



* ''FlashForward2009'': Mark Benford. Many perceive him to be a major-league [=Jerkass=] to his coworkers, his family, and everyone. ''See:'' giving his wife huge amounts of shit for seeing herself sleeping with another man in her FlashForward, yet lying to her about his own (he was drinking in his); routinely flouting international law and direct orders from his boss, but unlike other Screw The Rules types, he doesn't really accomplish anything by doing so; having his hands superglued to the IdiotBall (best example: [[spoiler: shooting an assassin who has what is obviously a unit tattoo]]); and as the promo for the post-hiatus episodes shows, [[spoiler: accusing Demetri of being a mole]].
* ''TheFollowing'': Both the main character as well as the [=FBI=] are incredibly incompetent and act like idiots. Ryan Hardy, TheHero, thinks that [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou he and only he]] can take down SerialKiller Joe Carroll and his cult of maniacs, to the point where he ends up getting several police officers and innocent people harmed or killed and getting furious when anyone but him crosses the line to save their loved ones, as well as playing the very role Carroll wants him to play in the first place; on the other hand, the Feds aren't much better, repeatedly underestimating both Hardy and the cult and making many stupid mistakes. Both Hardy and the Feds also fail to consider that if Joe had people watching both his family ''and'' his only surviving victim, [[spoiler: then he might have had someone watching Ryan as well- this last one gets Hardy stabbed and Claire killed.]] The only reason the good guys win is that the cult turns out to be just as self-sabotaging themselves in the long run, but at least the cult has the excuse that they are all AxCrazy; Hardy and the Feds are just selfish and stupid.

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* ''FlashForward2009'': ''Series/FlashForward2009'': Mark Benford. Many perceive him to be a major-league [=Jerkass=] to his coworkers, his family, and everyone. ''See:'' giving his wife huge amounts of shit for seeing herself sleeping with another man in her FlashForward, yet lying to her about his own (he was drinking in his); routinely flouting international law and direct orders from his boss, but unlike other Screw The Rules types, he doesn't really accomplish anything by doing so; having his hands superglued to the IdiotBall (best example: [[spoiler: shooting an assassin who has what is obviously a unit tattoo]]); and as the promo for the post-hiatus episodes shows, [[spoiler: accusing Demetri of being a mole]].
* ''TheFollowing'': ''Series/TheFollowing'': Both the main character as well as the [=FBI=] are incredibly incompetent and act like idiots. Ryan Hardy, TheHero, thinks that [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou he and only he]] can take down SerialKiller Joe Carroll and his cult of maniacs, to the point where he ends up getting several police officers and innocent people harmed or killed and getting furious when anyone but him crosses the line to save their loved ones, as well as playing the very role Carroll wants him to play in the first place; on the other hand, the Feds aren't much better, repeatedly underestimating both Hardy and the cult and making many stupid mistakes. Both Hardy and the Feds also fail to consider that if Joe had people watching both his family ''and'' his only surviving victim, [[spoiler: then he might have had someone watching Ryan as well- this last one gets Hardy stabbed and Claire killed.]] The only reason the good guys win is that the cult turns out to be just as self-sabotaging themselves in the long run, but at least the cult has the excuse that they are all AxCrazy; Hardy and the Feds are just selfish and stupid.



* ''Promised Land'': Shamaya Taggert from the ''TouchedByAnAngel'' spin off. You're supposed to like this character, but she come off as a bitter self righteous pretentious prick.

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* ''Promised Land'': Shamaya Taggert from the ''TouchedByAnAngel'' ''Series/TouchedByAnAngel'' spin off. You're supposed to like this character, but she come off as a bitter self righteous pretentious prick.



* ''The Secret Life of Us'': Series 2 turned the character of Gabrielle into a serious [=Jerkass=]. She starts an affair with Dominic, a married man with two young children, and gets him to leave his wife Francesca for her, saying that because she loves him so, ''so'' much this is all justified. When Francesca shouts at Gabrielle and calls her selfish, she has the barefaced cheek to complain that Francesca is victimizing her, and then she breaks up with Dominic for ''spending too much time trying to comfort his heartbroken children'', rather than forgetting them and focusing all his time on her. A short time later Dominic, who has tried and failed to make things work with his wife because he can't forget Gabrielle, tries to win her back, and she says she has gotten used to being on her own, even though she caused all this pain on the grounds that she supposedly loved him so much. Despite this, neither Gabrielle or any other character apart from Francesca says anything about how selfish, fickle and destructive her actions are, and she is still depicted as a likable character the audience should root for and empathize with.

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* ''The Secret Life of Us'': ''Series/TheSecretLifeOfUs'': Series 2 turned the character of Gabrielle into a serious [=Jerkass=]. She starts an affair with Dominic, a married man with two young children, and gets him to leave his wife Francesca for her, saying that because she loves him so, ''so'' much this is all justified. When Francesca shouts at Gabrielle and calls her selfish, she has the barefaced cheek to complain that Francesca is victimizing her, and then she breaks up with Dominic for ''spending too much time trying to comfort his heartbroken children'', rather than forgetting them and focusing all his time on her. A short time later Dominic, who has tried and failed to make things work with his wife because he can't forget Gabrielle, tries to win her back, and she says she has gotten used to being on her own, even though she caused all this pain on the grounds that she supposedly loved him so much. Despite this, neither Gabrielle or any other character apart from Francesca says anything about how selfish, fickle and destructive her actions are, and she is still depicted as a likable character the audience should root for and empathize with.



* ''{{Series/Survivor}}'' had this trope mentioned by [[Characters/SurvivorTocantins Tyson]] [[Characters/SurvivorHeroesvsVillains Apostol]] in [[Characters/SurvivorBloodVsWater Blood vs Water]] at the Final Tribal, saying he wasn't a villain and that "If you aren't the villain, you have to be the hero"
* ''TrueBlood'': The vampires. Bill killed many people with Lorena and has deliberately killed people even in the present day. Every vampire we've met we know for a fact have killed at least one human, and many of these vamps we know have killed more than that. Even "saintly" Godric killed Eric's 2 best friends before turning Eric into a vamp. And thanks to Jessica killing a man soon after she became a vampire, there's now no vampire we can definitely state has never killed a human. The Authority might be seen as a benevolent influence... except as their Arbiter they appointed a nasty [[FantasticRacism "humans-are-inferior-to-vampires" bigot]] who regarded the fact Bill killed a vampire to save the life of a human as making Bill's crime of killing the vampire worse, not better, and as punishment had a terrified teenaged girl (Jessica) kidnapped and forcibly turned into a vampire by Bill. And we're supposed to be rooting for the vampires and their integration with humans because why, exactly?

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* ''{{Series/Survivor}}'' ''Series/{{Survivor}}'' had this trope mentioned by [[Characters/SurvivorTocantins Tyson]] [[Characters/SurvivorHeroesvsVillains Apostol]] in [[Characters/SurvivorBloodVsWater Blood vs Water]] at the Final Tribal, saying he wasn't a villain and that "If you aren't the villain, you have to be the hero"
* ''TrueBlood'': ''Series/TrueBlood'': The vampires. Bill killed many people with Lorena and has deliberately killed people even in the present day. Every vampire we've met we know for a fact have killed at least one human, and many of these vamps we know have killed more than that. Even "saintly" Godric killed Eric's 2 best friends before turning Eric into a vamp. And thanks to Jessica killing a man soon after she became a vampire, there's now no vampire we can definitely state has never killed a human. The Authority might be seen as a benevolent influence... except as their Arbiter they appointed a nasty [[FantasticRacism "humans-are-inferior-to-vampires" bigot]] who regarded the fact Bill killed a vampire to save the life of a human as making Bill's crime of killing the vampire worse, not better, and as punishment had a terrified teenaged girl (Jessica) kidnapped and forcibly turned into a vampire by Bill. And we're supposed to be rooting for the vampires and their integration with humans because why, exactly?



* ''{{Victorious}}'': Tori Vega. In the first episode, she gets revenge on the AlphaBitch by kissing her boyfriend. That wouldn't be too bad if she hadn't done it ''again'' in another episode (This time it was actually a good friend of hers). In one episode, she left her friend behind at a Sushi bar because she selfishly wanted to return to class. Earlier, he did something nice for her by treating her.
* ''TheWire'': Jimmy [=McNulty=], the closest thing this show has to a central character, discusses this trope in-universe with regards to his (oftentimes morally questionable) behavior.

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* ''{{Victorious}}'': ''Series/{{Victorious}}'': Tori Vega. In the first episode, she gets revenge on the AlphaBitch by kissing her boyfriend. That wouldn't be too bad if she hadn't done it ''again'' in another episode (This time it was actually a good friend of hers). In one episode, she left her friend behind at a Sushi bar because she selfishly wanted to return to class. Earlier, he did something nice for her by treating her.
* ''TheWire'': ''Series/TheWire'': Jimmy [=McNulty=], the closest thing this show has to a central character, discusses this trope in-universe with regards to his (oftentimes morally questionable) behavior.
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** Stabler has attempted a flat-out VigilanteExecution at least once, admittedly of [[AssholeVictim a guy who raped toddlers]]. In the first season finale he was nearly thrown off the squad when a departmental psychologist orders Cragen to conduct a psych evaluation of all his detectives and fire the one least psychologically fit; his job is saved only by one of the {{Fake Guest Star}}s admitting to having ''slept with a suspect'', which the shrink deemed worse than anything Stabler did.
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** The 10th Doctor can undergo this several times. In "The Christmas Invasion" he brings down Harriet Jones, apparently changing history and preventing Britain's Golden Age, because he didn't like her destroying the Sycorax. While her actions were certainly not morally impeccable, the Doctor criticises others for changing history and later stories seem to show he made things worse by doing this.
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*** What pushed the line for most viewers was when Elliot intentionally caused a man to have a ''Psychotic Break'' so the law can force him to go on medication. And Dr. Hong (the psychiatrist) is treated as a traitor when he rightfully objected and decided to become the defense's expert witness witness.

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*** What pushed the line for most viewers was when Elliot intentionally caused a man to have a ''Psychotic Break'' so the law can force him to go on medication. And Dr. Hong Huang (the psychiatrist) is treated as a traitor when he [[WhatTheHellHero rightfully objected objected]] and decided to become the defense's expert witness witness.
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* ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'': After a few seasons, both of the Winchester brothers slaughter hundreds of demons killing their human hosts in the process even when they have the knowledge and opportunity to perfom an exorcism wich would save the host. [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality Unless it's someone they know who's possessed]].

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* ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'': After a few seasons, both of the Winchester brothers slaughter hundreds of demons killing their human hosts in the process even when they have the knowledge and opportunity to perfom an exorcism wich would save the host. [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality Unless it's someone they know who's possessed]].
** Dean is physically and emotionally abusive to Sam and Cas; he blatantly disregards Sam's wishes and violates his autonomy; he never accepts responsibility for what he's done; and he constantly blames Sam for everything that ever goes wrong, even after Sam threw himself into Lucifer's cage with two angry archangels in order to fix his mistakes. He broke the first seal by ''torturing souls in hell'' and it was mentioned once and forgiven immediately, whereas Sam breaking the last seal by killing Lilith, something far less morally reprehensible, was seen as something that needed to be atoned for and was brought up again and again, even several seasons later.
** Sam can fall into this as well, mostly in season 8, where he decides to retire from hunting and stop caring about [[spoiler: Dean being trapped in Purgatory and Kevin captured by Crowley]] yet it was presented as a mature decision for the character.

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** Dean is physically and emotionally abusive to Sam and Cas; he blatantly disregards Sam's wishes and violates his autonomy; he never accepts responsibility for what he's done; and he constantly blames Sam for everything In their many arguments throughout the series, both brothers have occasionally made selfish or hypocritical decisions that ever goes wrong, even after the narrative expects us to support, such as Sam threw himself into Lucifer's cage with two angry archangels in order to fix his mistakes. He broke the first seal by ''torturing souls in hell'' and it was mentioned once and forgiven immediately, whereas Sam breaking the last seal by killing Lilith, something far less morally reprehensible, was seen as something that needed to be atoned for and was brought up again and again, even several seasons later.
** Sam can fall into this as well, mostly in season 8, where he decides to retire
retiring from hunting and stop caring about [[spoiler: not trying to find Dean being trapped in Purgatory and Kevin captured by Crowley]] yet it was presented as a mature decision for the character.season 8, or Dean tricking Sam into letting an angel possess him to save his life.
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** TheFederation often veers into this territory DependingOnTheWriter due to the [[AlienNonInterferenceClause Prime Directive]] causing them to routinely let entire species go extinct, despite being in a position to avert such disasters; all whilst touting it as the "[[AppealToNature Natural Order]]" and the morally superior thing to do.

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* ''Series/TwentyFour'' had several occasions where the good guys acted like ruthless {{Knight Templar}}s and / or just extremely incompetent. [=CTU=] has tortured innocent people, including one of their own who was then ''[[KickTheDog fired for complaining about it]],'' and frequently succumbs to TyrantTakesTheHelm; their agents- including Jack Baeur- very often let family matters and personal vendettas get in the way of their job (occasionally to the point of treasonous or even terroristic activity); almost every single season involves this [[InformedAttribute premier counter-terrorist agency]] (or in one season, the [=FBI=]) ''failing'' to prevent ''multiple'' terrorist attacks ''on American soil''. The government is not any better and have done such things as framing a reformed terrorist for the attempted murder of a sitting President (when said ex-terrorist actually ''saved the Presidents life'') to cover up that the ''actual'' culprits were extremists ''within the government'' (worse still, this becomes an AbortedArc- hunting these traitors down is NEVER brought up again); much of the drama in several seasons comes from the Cabinet and the President arguing about whether or not to NUKE countries they ''think, might'' be guilty before the day is up ''without'' planning on organizing a thorough investigation first (with the most frequent excuse being that the don't want the rest of the world to think they are weak- they will kill MILLIONS of people just to ''look scary'')- the Cabinet has been willing to ''impeach'' a President for ''backing out'' of this. The PresidentEvil on the show is actually one of the ''saner'' ones in that regard; all ''he'' did was try to kill some ''proven'' terrorists and then cover it up when the plan failed (and try and kill Jack, but even ''good'' Presidents have attempted ''that'').
* ''Series/AllyMcBeal'': Georgia is generally described by other characters as a really nice, good-hearted person. While she certainly can be nice to some people, she can also be petty and quite mean; e.g., badmouthing Nelle, making it clear that she disliked her, and physically attacking her when she tried to break up a fight between her and Ally, for the sole reason that she's jealous, since she considers Nelle to be prettier than her.
* ''Series/AmericanHorrorStoryCoven'': the witches the show is centered on are unrepentant murderesses who think nothing of using their evil magic to get their way, not caring about the innocents that get in the way. And we're supposed to see the witch hunters as the villains '''why'''?
* ''Series/TheBigBangTheory'': Leonard, as he has gained a generally jerk demeanor and holier-than-thou attitude as the series went on.
** Sheldon has become this as the series went on as well, with him being so needlessly dickish that it defies the boundaries of any AmbiguousDisorder.
** Penny is a whiny, egotistical freeloader who constantly belittles the others, and the audience is supposed to feel sorry for her because she's not a famous actress.
* ''Series/BigTimeRush'': The four characters of the eponymous group all have moments that push them into this category, especially in episodes where they're carelessly destructive (i.e. Big Time Mansion, Jobs, etc). Though not all of them are always like this (sometimes it depends on the episode), you get the idea.
* ''Series/BuffyTheVampireSlayer'':
** For many fans, Buffy is the DH for much of [[SeasonalRot Seasons Six and Seven.]] However, there were implications that Buffy wasn't exactly being herself, being under even more massive pressure than usually, and having gone through several traumatic experiences in a short time. This has been played with several times, from Buffy's temper tantrum that she wasn't allowed to kill Faith and Series/{{Angel}} telling her to get stuffed, to her being rejected by the potential slayers, to a storyline where a rogue slayer intends to kill Buffy because of how much of a princess she is.
** There's also Spike in Season 7. For some reason Buffy and the writers seem to believe Spike is in the right when he tells Robin Wood that he doesn't regret killing his mother, and that she ''never loved him''. And frankly, that's only the worst time by a small degree.
* ''Series/{{Camelot}}'': Merlin kills an innocent man and girl after getting into a stupid fight with the man because Merlin doesn't want to give the smith his rightful credit for Excalibur. He helps Uther Pendragon rape his future wife. He never does anything objectively, unambiguously good in the entire series, but it seems as though the writers want us to see him as a good (if flawed) person simply because he's Arthur's mentor.
* ''Series/{{Charmed}}'': The Charmed Ones, in the later seasons, have stopped thinking about saving people and are more about themselves. They cast magic on innocent people, needlessly set up a human criminal up to get killed by demons in their home, and joined up with a bunch of magical extremists to wipe out free will for the sake of destroying evil. Then they faked their deaths and got a new girl (played by the same actress as the aforementioned Penny from ''Big Bang Theory'') to do all the work for them. Seriously, the new girl [[spoiler:being [[DefectorFromDecadence convinced]] by [[BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil her]] [[BrainwashedAndCrazy sister]] to [[FaceHeelTurn turn heel]] and the two of them almost being powerful enough to kill the Halliwells (before she got better, anyway)]] was practically a [[LaserGuidedKarma due backfire]].
* Played with for most of Chris Liley's characters. The most glaring examplles being the ones form ''Series/SummerHeightsHigh'':
** Mr. G is an egomaniac who tried to capitalise on the death of a student, throws a fit when he doesn't get his way and almost got the special needs classrooms shut down so he could have their classrooms.
** Ja'mie King started a charity under false pretenses, as the money was actually intended to fund a school formal. She also leads on a lesbian classmate just so she can stand out among the couples and when she dates a Year 7 boy she goes through his phone trying to find evidence that he's been cheating on her. In ''Ja'mie: Private Schoolgirl'' she sullies her school's reputation because she refused to accept the fact that there's some things she can't control.
** Jonah Takaluah is a bully who attacks students just for having ginger hair or being overweight. In ''Jonah from Tonga'' he has his gang film his attacks and sexually harasses both his art teacher and his cousin.
* While Detective Scotty Valens of ''Series/ColdCase'' always had anger issues, he began to drift into this territory in the show's final season. Granted, he had a good reason for becoming increasingly douchey, namely [[spoiler:discovering his mother had become the latest victim of a brutal serial rapist]], but he spends most of the season losing his temper, assaulting suspects (when he had previously been revolted by {{Dirty Cop}}s who did the same in previous seasons) and finally JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope by [[spoiler: hiring a guy to kill the rapist in the prison shower]]. Whether he ever got his comeuppance for this is unknown and always will be, as the show was canceled with the very next episode.
* ''Series/CriminalMinds'': Edward Allen Bernero stated that Jason Gideon was meant to be the central character to the show, even though episodes tended towards ensemble-like setups. Furthermore, Gideon as a character wasn't particularly nice to the rest of the team, as he frequently disobeys the chain of command (giving orders to the team when it's supposed to be Hotch's job), being terribly difficult to work with and not being very approachable. Hotch called him out on this in "What Fresh Hell?", telling him that he bought flowers for Garcia (after Gideon proved extremely difficult with her in the previous episode) and said they were from Gideon explaining, "Jason, people need to know that they're important, and sometimes you forget that."
* ''Series/DawsonsCreek'': Dawson. He normally acts like a spoiled, self-centred [=Jerkass=], especially in Season 3. After he himself rejected Joey, he is furious when she falls in love with Pacey. He forces her to choose between their friendship and Pacey, alienates Pacey and tries to win Joey back in an increasingly manipulative, underhand way. (Including almost killing Pacey in a sailing race, lying to Joey about renewing their friendship and tricking Joey to going to the prom with him). All of this is treated as a normal competition to 'win the girl'.
* In ''[[Series/DoctorWho Doctor Who]]'':
** The Doctor ends up being unintentionally responsible for ''burning down Rome'' and this is treated as something to {{Squee}} about. It says a lot about how cleverly-written the episode is that it comes across as a genuine moment of celebration and a turning point for the Doctor's character, but think of all those people who died because of him!
** The Second Doctor slips into this in "Tomb of the Cybermen". He was suspicious about Kleig and Kaftan (who are ObviouslyEvil), but to confirm his suspicions he gave them the means to revive the Cybermen and even helped the Cybermen out in order to get Kleig where he wanted him. Without his involvement only one person would have died (the luckless archaeologist who grabbed the electrified doors in the accident at the beginning of the story). What's worse, he turns around and blames Toberman for his own Cyber-conversion and tells him he can overcome it if he just believes in himself, despite the fact that Toberman never would have even encountered a Cyberman if the Doctor hadn't helped them.
*** Of course one interpretation of these events is that the Doctor wanted the Cybermen brought out and defeated while he was there, as the humans would probably have eventually got in.
** The Third Doctor in "Invasion of the Dinosaurs" gets stuck as one due to a BrokenAesop. Throughout the story he attempts to persuade the WellIntentionedExtremist villains that although their goals are noble, they are trying to achieve them by blowing things up, and there should be another way. But then, instead of actually bothering to find or even propose another way, he just blows the villains up. Notably, the novelisation hangs a lampshade on this by rejigging everything so Sarah Jane is the hero of the story, and having her go WhatTheHellHero in her internal monologue about much of the Doctor's behaviour.
** Rose Tyler is meant to be seen as really heroic and loving for crossing dimensions to find the Doctor. Except the Doctor told her that coming back between worlds would destroy both, to which her reaction was [[ItsAllAboutMe "So?"]] She was able to cross worlds due to the Daleks' Reality Bomb collapsing the barriers between Universe, however her dialogue shows she was trying to come back before this happened. And for risking the destruction of two worlds so she could get to someone she loved she gets her own, conveniently human, [[DoppelgangerReplacementLoveInterest version]] of him (created by a massive AssPull). KarmaHoudini?
** Not only did she get her own version of the Doctor that gets to live with her in Pete's World, she also kisses that human version of the Doctor right in front of the original!
** In Series One, she also treats her boyfriend, Mickey, like he's invisible and ditches her mom, Jackie, to run off with the Doctor. And in the series finale, she periodically gives dirty looks to another girl that the Doctor had invited to come with them.
** In "Tooth and Claw" when people are getting torn to pieces by a werewolf Rose's main priority still seems to be [[SkewedPriorities winning a bet]] with the Doctor she can get Victoria to say she is not amused. In that episode she can come across as a NightmareFetishist and it isn't surprising Victoria gets so angry at Rose and the Doctor for seeming to enjoy the horrific events.
** Lady Christina de Souza, the ClassyCatBurglar from "Planet of the Dead". She is meant to be the heroic companion figure. However arguably nothing she does is particularly heroic, only self-preservation. She is introduced stealing a museum artefact and doesn't seem at all unhappy that her possible boyfriend gets arrested. And finally the Doctor helping her escape the Police is meant to be seen as a great moment, and McMillian as an InspectorJavert for wanting to arrest her. However he was completely justified in arresting her, in which case Christina is a KarmaHoudini. To add insult to injury in ComicBook/DoctorWhoIDW she still gets away with committing crimes after leaving Earth.
** Clara Oswald becomes one toward the end of season 8. In "Kill The Moon", she overules the votes of Earth and decides to spare the Moon Creature whose birth might destroy the planet (Fortunately, it doesn't though for all she knew it would). In "In The Forest Of The Night", upon learning that a solar flare will burn the earth, she rejects the proposition of the Doctor to save herself, Danny and a class of children claiming that she doesn't want to be the last human... without bothering to consult Danny and the children first. But the kicker is the beginning of "Dark Water", [[spoiler: after the sudden death of her boyfriend Danny, she attempts to blackmail the Doctor to save Danny by drugging him and threatening to throw the keys of the Tardis in the lava]] yet [[spoiler: she later gets the chance to see Danny one last time]] and we are supposed to see her as TheWoobie. Remember, the Doctor once kicked Adam out of the Tardis [[MoralDissonance for a far lesser crime]].
* ''Series/{{ER}}'': Mark Greene, who from the very first episode was pushed as the "heart" of the show. Said "heart" was frequently unbearably self-righteous with his friends, often failed to be there for them when they needed his support, was unable to take a stand on anything, blasted others from bending or breaking the rules, then bent or broke them himself, and deliberately withheld treatment from an AssholeVictim patient, resulting in the man's death. There's no denying that the man deserved to die--at the hands of a judge, jury, and executioner, NOT at a doctor betraying the most basic tenets of his profession.
* ''EverybodyLovesRaymond'': The title character's wife becomes this in the later seasons, as the show devoted ever-increasing amounts of screentime to the war between her and her mother-in-law, and kept trying to shill her as the heroine. What made it really ridiculous was the fact that her behavior was ''exactly the same as the mother-in-law's'' (i.e., bullying other family members, being arrogant and condescending,etc.), which made it really hard to actually root for her, as there seemed to be no real difference between the two characters. In fact, the wife's behavior was arguably even ''worse'' than her mother-in-law's, because she physically and emotionally abused her husband in virtually every episode of the mid-to-later seasons.
** In one episode, she forces her husband to go with her to a couple's therapist in the hopes that the therapist will tell Ray to be more compliant to her demands. Ray is initially reluctant to open up, but then the therapist finds Ray sympathetic during the session. Naturally, Debra is shocked by this, as she expected the session to be all about how Ray is not the man she wants him to be. After all, how could ''she'' possibly be anything less than perfect? After the therapist appears to ''not'' take Debra's side, Debra refuses to attend any more sessions and is mad at Ray for embarrassing her like that (to reiterate, he did exactly what she wanted him to do - open up). And the show then goes out of its way to portray her as being right.
* ''FlashForward2009'': Mark Benford. Many perceive him to be a major-league [=Jerkass=] to his coworkers, his family, and everyone. ''See:'' giving his wife huge amounts of shit for seeing herself sleeping with another man in her FlashForward, yet lying to her about his own (he was drinking in his); routinely flouting international law and direct orders from his boss, but unlike other Screw The Rules types, he doesn't really accomplish anything by doing so; having his hands superglued to the IdiotBall (best example: [[spoiler: shooting an assassin who has what is obviously a unit tattoo]]); and as the promo for the post-hiatus episodes shows, [[spoiler: accusing Demetri of being a mole]].
* ''TheFollowing'': Both the main character as well as the [=FBI=] are incredibly incompetent and act like idiots. Ryan Hardy, TheHero, thinks that [[TheOnlyOneAllowedToDefeatYou he and only he]] can take down SerialKiller Joe Carroll and his cult of maniacs, to the point where he ends up getting several police officers and innocent people harmed or killed and getting furious when anyone but him crosses the line to save their loved ones, as well as playing the very role Carroll wants him to play in the first place; on the other hand, the Feds aren't much better, repeatedly underestimating both Hardy and the cult and making many stupid mistakes. Both Hardy and the Feds also fail to consider that if Joe had people watching both his family ''and'' his only surviving victim, [[spoiler: then he might have had someone watching Ryan as well- this last one gets Hardy stabbed and Claire killed.]] The only reason the good guys win is that the cult turns out to be just as self-sabotaging themselves in the long run, but at least the cult has the excuse that they are all AxCrazy; Hardy and the Feds are just selfish and stupid.
* ''Series/{{Friends}}'': Rachel. She refuses to take Ross back but abuses any girl he tries to date (backstabbing the adorable Julie, shaving Bonnie's head, planning to ruin Emily's wedding and insulting a girl who flirts with him). She emotionally abuses Ross making him break up with girls and then putting stipulations on them getting back together, helping ruin his marriage, then says he's too 'messed up' to date, and forbidding him from dating her sister. She's also [[ItsAllAboutMe incredibly self-centred]], stealing Monica and Chandler's engagement night ''and'' wedding day, belittling others' problems, constantly complaining about her own and telling Monica and Chandler they have to come to her baby's birthday party, so they can't go away after they spent a fortune on a room [[spoiler:to reconnect after they've discovered ''they can't have children!'']]
* ''Series/{{Glee}}'':
** Rachel and Finn fall into this category in many episodes. Often, they defy the moral of an episode, commit dubious actions without being called on it, or just act downright nasty, but they get away with it largely by virtue of being the OfficialCouple.
** Will Schuster too, if not even more so. In the very first episode he ''plants drugs on a student'' to blackmail him into joining Glee Club. When said student protests his innocence and frantically promises to take a drug test, Will weasels around that obvious out by reminding the kid that being charged at all will look bad. Seeing as how in the US, a drug conviction of any kind bars kids from applying for student loans, Will essentially threatens a minor's future education to force him to join a failing club.
* ''Series/GossipGirl'': Serena frequently acts far nastier than Blair, and her protests and apologies just make her seem like a huge liar compared to the others.
* ''Series/{{iCarly}}'': Carly never stops her [=Jerkass=] friend Sam from bullying others. What kind of friend lets another friend bully her other friends? Then in "iMove Out," when Freddie's mom came on the set to humiliate her son, instead of turning off the camera, she points it at Freddie while he's getting embarrassed. And that's not even getting into Carly's emotional manipulation of [[DoggedNiceGuy Fredd]][[TheWoobie ie...]]
* ''Franchise/LawAndOrder'':
** Arguably, most of the characters in every iteration, but especially ''Series/LawAndOrderSpecialVictimsUnit'' and ''Series/LawAndOrderCriminalIntent''. Hardly an episode goes by without an absolutely horrifying instance of breach of protocol, bad judgment, unnecessary hatred for a suspect, or outright lawbreaking on the part of the main cast. The main cast is made up entirely of law enforcement officers and lawyers. Almost every crime drama has this to some extent.
** Elliot Stabler is this trope personified. While interviewing a suspect (that's SUSPECT - not criminal, SUSPECT) he becomes aggravated and puts the man's head through the one-way glass in the interrogation room. He is not punished for it in any way, because obviously the suspect is an evil criminal and does not have rights.
*** What pushed the line for most viewers was when Elliot intentionally caused a man to have a ''Psychotic Break'' so the law can force him to go on medication. And Dr. Hong (the psychiatrist) is treated as a traitor when he rightfully objected and decided to become the defense's expert witness witness.
** Somebody is talking with Cabot, the prosecuting attorney, and accuses the police department of harming a suspect. Cabot replies that the injuries were sustained during a fight between two suspects. Her conversation partner acknowledges that this is technically correct... because the suspects were intentionally baited, by the police department, into turning on each other. Cabot does not even bother to reply, she just stands there looking smug for the rest of the scene.
** Stabler and Benson go to a suspect's home, where he lives with his grandfather. They do not have a warrant and cannot enter the house without permission. They tell the suspect something about his grandfather that shocks him and causes him to throw the door closed and run upstairs to confront the grandfather. Stabler ''puts his hand out to keep the door from closing'' and the two detectives chase after the suspect, into the house that they do not have permission to enter.
** In one very serious episode, a young man recognizes that he is a pedophile and turns himself in before he harms someone. Specifically, he fears that he will molest a young relative of his and has actually been drinking heavily in an attempt to forestall his actions. When he accepts that he will not be able to stop himself for much longer he turns himself in to he police in the hope that they will be able to keep him from hurting any little kids. Benson explicitly states that up to that point, no pedophile had ever turned themselves in out of an honest desire to reform. Rather than appreciating the selfless efforts of a very confused person who needs help with a legitimate problem, he is despised by the police force and referred to as a "monster."
** It doesn't help that the detectives and prosecutors tend to have a smug attitude most of the time. Almost veering into SmugSnake territory.
* ''Series/{{Lost}}'': Several characters, especially Jack and Kate. Both are [=Jerkass=] types who meander between helpful-yet-arrogant leader types through to paranoid, secretive, unhelpful, cliquey and murderous asses.
** Season 3 Locke was far more reprehensible than even Kate or Sawyer ever were, especially in the last season episode. Jack himself tends to be more unremarkable or just plain capricious than reprehensible.
*** Locke's actions even earlier than that come off as quite disturbing when you know he really had no real connection to the island, coming off as a cult leader using violence to brainwash people like Boone into agreeing with him.
**** A bit false, though he counts as a DH. Locke was pretty clearly connected to the island from the very beginning, regardless of his actions. [[spoiler: As the final season illustrates, pretty much all the main characters were.]]
* ''Series/{{NCIS}}'': MemeticBadass though he may be, Leroy Jethro Gibbs can definitely be seen as this, with repeatedly assholish behavior to various characters, occasionally bending or even ''breaking'' laws he's supposed to be enforcing, and some instances of hypocrisy regarding investigations with agents/officers from outside his team.
** He has also put his own agents (especially [=McGee=]) into dangerous situations just to save time. Both Abby and [=DiNozzo=] tend to act terrible toward the guy.
* Judge Harry Stone from ''NightCourt'' was a straight-up hero throughout the entire show, except for a single episode, where a high-class brothel is raided and their records are seized. The madam begs Harry to make the case disappear, since she doesn't want her clients to be swept up in the sting, arguing that they are good men who were nice to the prostitutes and don't deserve the stigma. Nonetheless, they were still visiting prostitutes, many of them were married, and often shared highly sensitive details of their work with the girls. For some reason Harry agonises over this until he realises that the clients, many of whom were wealthy and powerful men, including politicians and military commanders, have friends in high places that can make it go away for him. So he contacts the Pentagon and an Admiral quickly arrives to take the records in the name of security. This is portrayed as a happy ending, apparently using political corruption to cover up the adultery and serious security breaches of the country's leaders is okay if said leaders were polite to the prostitutes they visited.
** What's worse is that this was extremely out of character for Harry, who was consistently portrayed as kind and compassionate to the people he judged, but ultimately a stickler for the law; often ruling against his friends, family or childhood idols if it was his duty.
* ''Series/TheOfficeUS'': Has Jim & Pam, who are supposed to be normal, but are actually kinda pricks. Jim knew he wasn't supposed to upset Andy when he was at Stamford, but he did, and he did it again at Scranton. He picked on Andy - someone he ''knew'' had anger management issues - enough to make him punch a hole in the wall. He even probably endangered Pam in helping too. Between the two of them, they were lusting after each other, regardless of the feelings of the people they were involved with. They also broke company policy in the baby shower ep with the bluetooth and making themselves noticeable enough to warrant investigation ([[FridgeBrilliance though considering how lax Michael is with office policy, he probably let it slide]]). Sometimes Jim's pranks on Dwight go too far (enough to give him a bit of a HeroicBSOD when regaling). The writers do notice this sometimes, especially in later seasons. A few episode show Jim being embarrassed by his immaturity, and show Dwight as more of a victim. This depiction is closer to the UK version, where Tim and Dawn were often presented as immature bullies, and not just playful jokers.
* ''Promised Land'': Shamaya Taggert from the ''TouchedByAnAngel'' spin off. You're supposed to like this character, but she come off as a bitter self righteous pretentious prick.
* ''Series/{{Revolution}}'': Charlie, increasingly. She began as just whiny, but took [[TookALevelInJerkass entirely the wrong lesson]] from [[AntiHero Miles]], and ended up deciding that she was better off being jerks to her friends to ''make'' them go forward to Danny... who they lag behind because of MotiveDecay. Then there's also the fact that, even after learning [[HeelRealization how bad the deed she is supposed to do in "Sex and Drugs" is]], she still decides to go through with it anyway rather than try to get the victim's help, while Miles, her "role model" for getting tough, takes the higher road and tries to go and stop her to TakeAThirdOption. Fortunately, she has been trying to become a better hero.
* ''Series/RobinHood'':
** Robin Hood from the BBC's 2006-2008 version of the story kept getting worse as the seasons went on. His "[[ThouShaltNotKill no-kill]]" policy was chucked out the second season when it became apparent that he was prepared to kill in the name of King Richard (even if it meant shooting unarmed priests and mentally-deranged spies), and by the third season he was shooting guards in the back whilst ''still'' insisting that he only killed when he needed to. He also treated his outlaws like crap (especially poor Much), started a relationship with a girl he was barely interested in despite knowing that his best friend liked her, attacked a frightened woman in her own bedroom after she's had to kill a man in self-defence, and shot dead an executioner who was just doing his job (and ''then'' having the gall to tell the aforementioned woman that not only is ''she'' "a murderer" for killing a man who was threatening to rape/strangle her but that ''he'' only kills when he absolutely needs to).
** The third season also introduced Kate, who was shilled as brave, compassionate and altogether wonderful even though she was never anything but rude, nasty and shrill to everyone around her, and once demanded that a terrified woman be left to be raped and strangled by her sadistic husband, stating that "she doesn't deserve our help."
* ''The Secret Life of Us'': Series 2 turned the character of Gabrielle into a serious [=Jerkass=]. She starts an affair with Dominic, a married man with two young children, and gets him to leave his wife Francesca for her, saying that because she loves him so, ''so'' much this is all justified. When Francesca shouts at Gabrielle and calls her selfish, she has the barefaced cheek to complain that Francesca is victimizing her, and then she breaks up with Dominic for ''spending too much time trying to comfort his heartbroken children'', rather than forgetting them and focusing all his time on her. A short time later Dominic, who has tried and failed to make things work with his wife because he can't forget Gabrielle, tries to win her back, and she says she has gotten used to being on her own, even though she caused all this pain on the grounds that she supposedly loved him so much. Despite this, neither Gabrielle or any other character apart from Francesca says anything about how selfish, fickle and destructive her actions are, and she is still depicted as a likable character the audience should root for and empathize with.
* ''Series/{{Smallville}}'': In the early seasons, Lana Lang evolved from a slightly annoying DistressedDamsel into one of these, and remained one for her entire run. Despite her frequent betrayals of Clark and his friends, she was consistently treated as being in the right until her exit in Season 8; and unlike Clark and others who border on this, her motivation for anything heroic she does do is either 'to get with Clark' or, later, 'to punish Lex'. Former BigBad Lionel Luthor, post-HeelFaceTurn, is seen as this in-universe: the heroes use him for his resources, but [[ReformedButRejected don't trust him any farther than they can throw him]].
* ''Franchise/StarTrek'':
** TheFederation often veers into this territory DependingOnTheWriter due to the [[AlienNonInterferenceClause Prime Directive]] causing them to routinely let entire species go extinct, despite being in a position to avert such disasters; all whilst touting it as the "[[AppealToNature Natural Order]]" and the morally superior thing to do.
** ''Series/StarTrekVoyager'': Captain "Designated Hero" Janeway - after stranding her crew in the Delta Quadrant due to reasons largely beyond her control, she forgoes several attempts that would have gotten her back to the Alpha Quadrant, kills one of her crew to restore the status quo, and when given the chance to go back in time and save her crew, rather than preventing them from going to the Delta Quadrant in the first place, she opts to save someone they recruited along the way and abandon nearly a third of her crew to die when they get dragged into the Delta Quadrant. The "Equinox" two-parter is often seen as the worst because because the ''Equinox'' was much worse off than ''Voyager'' and driven to extremity, and her protests seemed more founded on Federation regulations than the brutality the captain was committing on innocent aliens. Her temporary alliance with the Borg against Species 8472 also got her a lot of flack after 8472 were {{Retcon}}ned from ScaryDogmaticAliens that seemed to be out for ThePurge to reasonable people who somehow gave Kes the completely wrong idea while they were {{Mind Rap|e}}ing her. The series' StatusQuoIsGod mandate meant that everyone had to come to an accord by the end of the episode, so these issues never got adequately addressed, nor was there ever a middle ground between "always stand by Federation principles" or "screw it we need to get home," resulting in this kind of mess.
* ''Series/{{Supernatural}}'': After a few seasons, both of the Winchester brothers slaughter hundreds of demons killing their human hosts in the process even when they have the knowledge and opportunity to perfom an exorcism wich would save the host. [[ProtagonistCenteredMorality Unless it's someone they know who's possessed]].
** Dean is physically and emotionally abusive to Sam and Cas; he blatantly disregards Sam's wishes and violates his autonomy; he never accepts responsibility for what he's done; and he constantly blames Sam for everything that ever goes wrong, even after Sam threw himself into Lucifer's cage with two angry archangels in order to fix his mistakes. He broke the first seal by ''torturing souls in hell'' and it was mentioned once and forgiven immediately, whereas Sam breaking the last seal by killing Lilith, something far less morally reprehensible, was seen as something that needed to be atoned for and was brought up again and again, even several seasons later.
** Sam can fall into this as well, mostly in season 8, where he decides to retire from hunting and stop caring about [[spoiler: Dean being trapped in Purgatory and Kevin captured by Crowley]] yet it was presented as a mature decision for the character.
* ''{{Series/Survivor}}'' had this trope mentioned by [[Characters/SurvivorTocantins Tyson]] [[Characters/SurvivorHeroesvsVillains Apostol]] in [[Characters/SurvivorBloodVsWater Blood vs Water]] at the Final Tribal, saying he wasn't a villain and that "If you aren't the villain, you have to be the hero"
* ''TrueBlood'': The vampires. Bill killed many people with Lorena and has deliberately killed people even in the present day. Every vampire we've met we know for a fact have killed at least one human, and many of these vamps we know have killed more than that. Even "saintly" Godric killed Eric's 2 best friends before turning Eric into a vamp. And thanks to Jessica killing a man soon after she became a vampire, there's now no vampire we can definitely state has never killed a human. The Authority might be seen as a benevolent influence... except as their Arbiter they appointed a nasty [[FantasticRacism "humans-are-inferior-to-vampires" bigot]] who regarded the fact Bill killed a vampire to save the life of a human as making Bill's crime of killing the vampire worse, not better, and as punishment had a terrified teenaged girl (Jessica) kidnapped and forcibly turned into a vampire by Bill. And we're supposed to be rooting for the vampires and their integration with humans because why, exactly?
** The later seasons ''realized this'' and now there is a War brewing between Humanity and the Vampires [[spoiler: with Bill leading the charge as the Vampire's new god, taking the place of [[EldritchAbomination Lillith]].]]
* ''Series/TheVampireDiaries'', increasingly. Their total selfishness and the body count attached to them, which is now in the ''thousands'' and includes people killed for reasons ranging from self-defense to HorrorHunger to to gaining advantage over an enemy to just being unhappy and taking it out on other people, can make it pretty difficult to root for them. Notable acts include causing the deaths of thousands of vampires, ''twice'', for pretty dubious reasons, and trapping thousands of souls in limbo, possibly forever, rather than give up a chance to resurrect their friend.
* ''Series/VeronicaMars'': It's easy to sympathize with her backstory, which includes ParentalAbandonment, rape and subsequent social exile. It's not so easy to actually ''like'' her, as she's incredibly manipulative, enables various illegal actions throughout the series (including the kidnapping of a baby), uses her friends as pawns (sometimes putting their lives in danger) and is just outright ''mean'' to most people she speaks to on a regular basis. One could make a solid argument that the only difference between Veronica and the [[AlphaBitch popular crowd]] she was once part of is that fact that she's directing her manipulative tendencies into a profession which ostensibly helps people -- notably, her behavior worsens in season three when she has no central mystery to solve. It must be pointed out, however, that this was part and parcel of what many fans saw as the show's degeneration after season one. In the first season, Veronica seemed genuinely good and kind under her understandably gruff exterior, and seemed to genuinely care for the people she helped. It was in the subsequent seasons that she really became a hero in name only.
* ''{{Victorious}}'': Tori Vega. In the first episode, she gets revenge on the AlphaBitch by kissing her boyfriend. That wouldn't be too bad if she hadn't done it ''again'' in another episode (This time it was actually a good friend of hers). In one episode, she left her friend behind at a Sushi bar because she selfishly wanted to return to class. Earlier, he did something nice for her by treating her.
* ''TheWire'': Jimmy [=McNulty=], the closest thing this show has to a central character, discusses this trope in-universe with regards to his (oftentimes morally questionable) behavior.
-->You start to tell the story, you think you're the hero, and then when you get done talking...
* ''Wonder Woman'': In the [[Series/{{Wonder Woman 2011 Pilot}} failed 2011 pilot]], they make the bad guys out to be complete and utter scum who use trafficked humans and underprivileged ghetto kids to test their steroid-type drugs and use their lobbyists to avoid being investigated, and that whatever means that Wonder Woman uses is justified. Unfortunately, Wonder Woman is a brutal, vicious killer who goes after people without any actual evidence, tortures people for information (''while pointing out'' she has a magic lasso called [[TruthSerum the Lasso of Truth]]), and uses her contacts with the police to avoid prosecution. This is very nicely demonstrated when the villain says that Wonder Woman is breaking the law and violating her rights, Wonder Woman ''rolls her eyes at her'' like a snotty teenager.
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