History DeconstructedTrope / ASongOfIceAndFire

7th Feb '16 8:00:47 AM qazwsx
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* CourtlyLove: The short and simple lesson? "If it would make a lovely song, don't try it at home: it'll actually suck to live it."
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* CourtlyLove: The short and simple lesson? "If it would make a lovely song, don't try it at home: it'll home. It'll actually suck to live it."
3rd Feb '16 9:23:34 PM Euodiachloris
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** Whatever the heck it was that went on with Rhaegar and Lyanna. A stirring song of tragedy; a bloody disaster in actuality. Pissing off Lords Paramount just doesn't pay off.
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** Whatever the heck it was that went on with between Rhaegar and Lyanna. A stirring song of tragedy; tragedy and winter roses; a bloody disaster in actuality. Pissing off Lords Paramount just doesn't pay off.
3rd Feb '16 9:18:54 PM Euodiachloris
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* ChildrenAreInnocent
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* ChildrenAreInnocentChildrenAreInnocent: Doesn't mean they can't do terrible things, or that even their attempts to do well will go well.

* CourtlyLove:
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* CourtlyLove: The short and simple lesson? "If it would make a lovely song, don't try it at home: it'll actually suck to live it."

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* CourtlyLove: ** Whatever the heck it was that went on with Rhaegar and Lyanna. A stirring song of tragedy; a bloody disaster in actuality. Pissing off Lords Paramount just doesn't pay off.
16th Jan '16 6:05:59 PM qazwsx
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** Most of Westeros, except the Dornish, practices [[en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primogeniture#Male-preference_primogeniture male preference primogeniture]], which is responsible for putting many evil, insane, or incompetent men in power instead of more suitable female candidates.
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** Most of Westeros, except the Dornish, practices [[en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primogeniture#Male-preference_primogeniture male preference [[http://self.gutenberg.org/articles/male-preference_primogeniture#Male-preference_cognatic_primogeniture male-preference cognatic primogeniture]], which is responsible for putting many evil, insane, or incompetent men in power instead of more suitable female candidates.
16th Jan '16 5:56:04 PM qazwsx
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* ElectiveMonarchy: The Ironborn have a practice of electing their monarchy which is brought back by Aeron Damphair to ensure his brother Victarian Greyjoy becomes ruler instead of his monstrous brother Euron. However, Euron is able to use his charming qualities and a rousing speech to get elected in, even though he is, even by the standards of the Iron Islands, an incredibly villainous figure.
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* ElectiveMonarchy: The Ironborn have a practice of electing their monarchy which is brought back by Aeron Damphair to ensure his brother Victarian Victarion Greyjoy becomes ruler instead of his monstrous brother Euron. However, Euron is able to use his charming qualities and a rousing speech to get elected in, even though he is, even by the standards of the Iron Islands, an incredibly villainous figure.

** Thoros of Myr went from a skirt-chasing BoisterousBruiser who was nominally a Red Priest into a true believer in Rh'llor after [[ReligionIsMagic his religious observances suddenly came with magical powers]]. In this new state, Thoros belongs to a band of righteous outlaws, who over time, go from somewhat ruthless defenders of justice to outright knight templars. While Thoros isn't happy about this shift, the effect is that he is involved with much worse behavior following his religious conversion than before it.
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** Thoros of Myr went from a skirt-chasing BoisterousBruiser who was nominally a Red Priest into a true believer in Rh'llor R'hllor after [[ReligionIsMagic his religious observances suddenly came with magical powers]]. In this new state, Thoros belongs to a band of righteous outlaws, who over time, go from somewhat ruthless defenders of justice to outright knight templars. While Thoros isn't happy about this shift, the effect is that he is involved with much worse behavior following his religious conversion than before it.

** Most of Westeros, except the Dornish, practices agnetic-cognetic succession[[note]]The eldest son of the deceased is first in line to inherited, followed by the deceased's other sons, then daughters, then brothers, then sisters; all in line according to birth order.[[/note]], which is responsible for putting many evil, insane, or incompetent men in power instead of more suitable female candidates.
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** Most of Westeros, except the Dornish, practices agnetic-cognetic succession[[note]]The eldest son of the deceased is first in line to inherited, followed by the deceased's other sons, then daughters, then brothers, then sisters; all in line according to birth order.[[/note]], [[en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primogeniture#Male-preference_primogeniture male preference primogeniture]], which is responsible for putting many evil, insane, or incompetent men in power instead of more suitable female candidates.
16th Jan '16 5:42:20 PM qazwsx
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** Tyrion's demonisation by the commons in Kings Landing wouldn't have helped his case with his father after Blackwater when Cersei was able to convince Tywin that most of the defensive work was her doing. Had the blame for most of the Lannister mistakes been applied to the correct people in the popular mind instead of reaching for the easy "Demon Monkey" scapegoat role they loaded him with, Tywin might have actually taken note. [[TheUnFavourite Well, maybe]]. At the very least, Cersei would not have come out of it quite so glowingly.
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** Tyrion's demonisation by the commons in Kings King's Landing wouldn't have helped his case with his father after Blackwater when Cersei was able to convince Tywin that most of the defensive work was her doing. Had the blame for most of the Lannister mistakes been applied to the correct people in the popular mind instead of reaching for the easy "Demon Monkey" scapegoat role they loaded him with, Tywin might have actually taken note. [[TheUnFavourite Well, maybe]]. At the very least, Cersei would not have come out of it quite so glowingly.

* TheDogWasTheMastermind: [[spoiler:Doran Martell]] hides a brilliant scheme by pretending to be weak and appeasing. Unfortunately this means his allies as well as his enemies believe he's useless and they make plans of their own without telling him. Not only do these plans fail, they interfere with [[spoiler:Doran]]'s much better thought out ones.
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* TheDogWasTheMastermind: [[spoiler:Doran Martell]] hides a brilliant scheme by pretending to be weak and appeasing. Unfortunately this means doesn't just fool his enemies. His own allies as well as his enemies believe he's useless and they make plans of their own without telling him. Not only do these plans fail, they interfere with [[spoiler:Doran]]'s much better thought out ones.
8th Jan '16 9:30:34 PM WillBGood
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** Dany finds that some of the slaves especially the ones who were quasi-professionals (scribes, healers, teachers) miss the job security and relative comfort of their earlier lives over her "liberation" and beg to be allowed to sell themselves back into slavery, where they at least had enough to eat and somewhere to sleep. Many former slaves are much worse off and having trouble surviving now they are free. Daenerys finds herself handicapped in her attempts to rebuild Slaver's Bay to a slave-free society especially since she underestimates the complexity of the situation and society at large.
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** Dany finds that some of the slaves slaves-- especially the ones who were quasi-professionals (scribes, healers, teachers) teachers)-- miss the job security and relative comfort of their earlier lives over her "liberation" and beg to be allowed to sell themselves back into slavery, where they at least had enough to eat and somewhere to sleep. Many former slaves are much worse off and having trouble surviving now they are free. Daenerys finds herself handicapped in her attempts to rebuild Slaver's Bay to a slave-free society society, especially since she underestimates the complexity of the situation and society at large.
8th Jan '16 6:12:47 PM qazwsx
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* ForTheEvulz: Doing senselessly cruel things just makes things harder for oneself since every action has consequences, notably earning the hatred of people you need. ** Joffrey [[spoiler:has Ned Stark executed after Ned is forced to confess to treason rather than send him to the Night's Watch. This leads to the North, under the leadership of Ned's son, rebelling against the Iron Throne. Joffrey continuing cruelty leads to the people of King's Landing hating him and eventually leads to Joffrey's murder by his wife's family, partially out of fear he will abuse her.]] ** Ser Gregor Clegane "The Mountain that Rides" is a notoriously cruel and brutal man who raped and murdered Elia Martell even though he was only told to murder her son. [[spoiler:His brutality ends up making him a liability to the Lannister regime, who end up sending his skull to Dorne to placate Elia's brother.]] ** Ramsay Snow delights in indulging his sadistic pleasures, even hunting women, raping and flaying them. His father Roose Bolton considers him a problem, as the Bolton regime is already unstable and Ramsay is not helping them gain support. Meanwhile Ramsay's brutal abuse of his wife [[spoiler:a pretender daughter of Ned Stark used to legitimize Bolton rule of Winterfell, further loses support. Someone even says that though Roose is cruel they can deal with him, but Ramsay is a monster.]]
6th Jan '16 9:08:01 PM damus2300
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* StrongFamilyResemblance: Heredity and genetics is thought to be straightforward in Westeros but a simple quirk in either could be disastrous especially for the noble families. ** Arya Stark was insecure because she didn't have the attractive facial features or auburn hair of a Tully when in fact she and Jon Snow have the traditional Stark look. ** Rhaenyra Targaryen's sons were suspected to be illegitimate because they weren't blond like their Valyrian-descended parents. They probably inherited their look from their maternal grandmother who was an Arryn. This doubt in their legitimacy was one of the reasons for the Dance of the Dragons.
2nd Jan '16 10:26:09 AM KingLyger
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* BlingOfWar: Ghiscari masters in general, and Yunkish ones in particular, have gone so overboard with their peacock displays on their slave soldiers that they're barely able to fight.
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* BlingOfWar: Ghiscari masters in general, and Yunkish ones in particular, have gone so overboard with their peacock displays on their slave soldiers that they're barely able to fight. Also, Ser Hugh of the Vale might as well have gone into battle naked against The Mountain for the good the fancy-looking armor did him.
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