History DeconstructedTrope / ASongOfIceAndFire

27th Jul '16 5:01:41 AM damus2300
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* ChangelingFantasy
** Ramsay Bolton (formerly the bastard Ramsay Snow) thinks his father Roose took him in out of kindness and that Roose and his mother couldn't marry because she was just a peasant. Ramsay is actually a ChildOfRape and his mother never wanted him.
** Obara Sand left her mother and joined her father Oberyn Martell because she didn't want to be trampled on as a girl and as a commoner.
27th Jul '16 4:26:28 AM SorPepita
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** Contrast, with Stannis, who is denied his rightful claim to the throne because of the disdain the nobility and commoners have for him. He's disdained because his unforgiving and hard nature would make the survival of schemers such as Petyr Baelish, the Lannisters, or the Tyrells an impossibilty in the long term if he were to rule. All of the above suggests that if everyone, [[PoisonousFriend including ambitious, amoral chessmasters]] would ''like'' to have you as their ruler, maybe that's a sign that you aren't suited to rule.

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** Contrast, Contrast with Stannis, who is denied his rightful claim to the throne because of the disdain the nobility and commoners have for him. He's disdained because his unforgiving and hard nature would make the survival of schemers such as Petyr Baelish, the Lannisters, or the Tyrells an impossibilty in the long term if he were to rule. All of the above suggests that if everyone, [[PoisonousFriend including ambitious, amoral chessmasters]] would ''like'' to have you as their ruler, maybe that's a sign that you aren't suited to rule.
19th Jul '16 12:38:00 PM TheFLL
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* CoolChair: The Iron Throne [[ThroneMadeOfX made from the thousand swords of Aegon the Conqueror's enemies]] is incredibly uncomfortable and is rumored to have killed Aegon's son Maegor. Of course, this is the entire point of the Iron Throne: to constantly remind any king that supreme power is supremely dangerous and is not a thing to be trifled with.

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* CoolChair: The Iron Throne [[ThroneMadeOfX made from the thousand swords of Aegon the Conqueror's enemies]] is incredibly uncomfortable and is rumored to have killed Aegon's son Maegor. Of course, this is the The entire point of the Iron Throne: Throne is to constantly remind any king that supreme power is supremely dangerous and is not a thing to be trifled with.with, but instead, virtually everyone sees it as a monument to what Aegon accomplished, so instead of the throne signifying WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility, it instead suggests that WithGreatPowerComesGreatPerks.
14th Jul '16 1:09:00 PM UltimateLazer
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* AChildShallLeadThem: The general absence of sentimentality towards childhood, combined with children having to grow up faster socially than they can physically or mentally, means that they have to try restraining whatever childish impulses and inevitable youthful, inexperienced mistakes they're still likely to make. Which, given these children's circumstances, will cost them ''much'' more because of the power of the positions that are thrust upon them.
** Robert Arryn is too physically and mentally unwell to rule the Eyrie. His step-father and bannermen are all vying for the title of Lord Protector so they can rule in his name.
** Joffrey Baratheon is a spoiled sadist who's more interested in indulging his destructive impulses than in any actual ruling. He becomes TheCaligula even before he leaves his teens and is regarded as a tyrant in the making in his childhood. His stupid childish whim of ordering Ned Stark's execution plunges the realm into civil war [[spoiler:and eventually his allies end up killing him at his own wedding at the age of 13]].
** Robb Stark is forced to become AFatherToHisMen at an early age and live up to his father's legacy, ably supported by the advice of his mother and experienced commanders like the Blackfish. However, his impulsive decision to chivalrously honor Jeyne Westerling, a girl [[spoiler:he had sex with for comfort after learning of Bran and Rickon's death]], leads to him breaking an all-important marriage pact. This folly of youth ends up costing him [[spoiler:the loss of valuable support, leads to betrayal at the Red Wedding and his death and that of his mother]].
** Jon Snow [[spoiler:is made Lord Commander of the Night's Watch at age 17, due to Samwell Tarly's scheming. He has a gift for leadership and strategy as well as his father's sense of honor, but many of his officers don't respect him because of his youth, or mistrust him because of his illegitimate birth and time with the wildlings. He ends up betrayed and stabbed by his own men, and it's left ambiguous whether he survives.]]
** Daenerys, married at 13 and already Queen at 16, has severely affected the slave trade and taken over Meereen. She even takes advantage of her age and sex so some of her enemies will underestimate her, but she's still subject to a teenage girl's lusts. The stresses of ruling and having to constantly compromise to the slavers laying siege to her city and holding slave auctions in front of her gates, and marrying a potential enemy to maintain a semblance of peace prove too much and [[spoiler:she flees Meereen atop one of her dragons.]]
** [[spoiler: Tommen]] signs any decree someone puts in front of him, making him very easy to manipulate.
11th Jul '16 3:56:33 PM TheFLL
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** [[spoiler: The Order of Maesters end up subverting this too, as the majority are doing their damnedest to scrub any and all knowledge of magic, and censure any maester who wishes to do otherwise, making them indirectly responsible for how woefully unprepared Westeros is for when TheMagicComesBack, and the invasion of the Others. Other conspiracies have also taken place in the past, as evidence suggest that many maesters, influenced by the Hightowers, tried to push their lords to support the Greens during the Dance of Dragons. But these conspiracies have never been proven or exposed, nor have the Order been taken to task for violating neutrality, because their image of being TrueNeutral makes them BeneathNotice in the eyes of Westerosi.]]
11th Jul '16 6:56:08 AM TheFLL
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* OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions: [[spoiler: A large faction of Maesters are trying to make this trope a reality for various reasons, by discrediting or removing magic where they can. Unfortunately for them, [[TheMagicComesBack magic isn't a superstition in this verse:]] dragons are coming back, prophecies seem to be coming true, wargs and greenseers exist, and sorceresses are perfectly capable of assassinating from long distances. Oh, and TheFairFolk looking to KillAllHumans are very much real. [[NiceJobBreakingItHero And because of their efforts, the maesters have left the entire continent willfully unprepared for the annihilation the Others plan to bring to Westeros, because everyone's convinced that they are nothing more than fairy tales.]]]]
11th Jul '16 6:35:46 AM TheFLL
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** [[spoiler: [[LesCollaborateurs Roose Bolton]] arranges a marriage between his heir, [[BastardBastard Ramsey,]] and a substitute of Arya Stark to make the new regime more legitimate to the bitter and skeptical Northmen. [[DomesticAbuse Ramsey's horrific]] [[MaritalRapeLicense abuse of the fake Arya,]] however, is known to just about ''everyone'' and instead serves to give one more reason for the LaResistance to want the Bolton regime gone.]]
10th Jul '16 2:32:17 AM Euodiachloris
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** Daenerys tries to be a good queen in Meereen, but her conquest left wounds in the city's social, economic, and political infrastructure, many of her new subjects hate her for disrupting their lives, and she has to sacrifice her personal morals and desires to fix the mess she caused.

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** Daenerys tries to be a good queen in Meereen, but her conquest left wounds in the city's social, economic, and political infrastructure, many of her new subjects hate her for disrupting their lives, and lives ''and'' she has to sacrifice her personal morals and desires to fix try fixing the mess she caused.



** King Maegor Targaryen lived and breathed this philosophy. This turned into [[KillEmAll a lust for violence]] that alienated all of Westeros' institutions and great families including his own. No one came to his support when his last nephew Prince Jaehaerys came gunning for the crown and he died alone.

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** King Maegor Targaryen lived and breathed this philosophy. This turned into [[KillEmAll a lust for violence]] that alienated all of Westeros' institutions and from the Faith to almost all the great families families, including his own. No one came to his support when his last nephew nephew, Prince Jaehaerys Jaehaerys, came gunning for the crown and he crown. He died alone.



** As Queen of Meereen, Daenerys realizes the hard way that ruling a foreign culture involves absorbing and assimilating into their culture, including their clothes, their customs and tradition and their food, all of which she finds abhorrent but refuses to change by imposing her values on the Ghiscari. So she willingly tries to assimilate for the sake of peace and order in Meereen, however, as noted by the Shavepate, a socially mobile collaborator who is casting off the trappings of Meereenese culture, she would be better off if she went full-on in conqueror mode and actually made changes to the society and made them submit.

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** As Queen of Meereen, Daenerys realizes the hard way that ruling a foreign culture involves absorbing and assimilating into their culture, including their clothes, their customs and tradition customs, traditions and their food, cuisine, all of which she finds abhorrent but abhorrent. Yet, she refuses to instill change by imposing her values on the Ghiscari. So Ghiscari in return to explain some of what lies behind her decrees about, e.g. the fighting pits. So, she willingly tries to assimilate for the sake of peace and order in Meereen, Meereen as she visibly holds her nose; however, as noted by the Shavepate, a socially mobile collaborator who is casting off the trappings of Meereenese culture, she would be better off if she went full-on in conqueror mode and actually made changes to the society and made them submit.



* NamedAfterSomebodyFamous: Lord Walder Frey's sires name their children after him (regardless of gender) to curry favor. This makes for a confusing family tree, and he actually hates this practice as he's all too aware of his (numerous) descendants' desire to get in his good graces.

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* NamedAfterSomebodyFamous: Lord Walder Frey's sires offspring and other kin name their children after him (regardless of gender) to curry favor. This makes for a confusing family tree, and he actually hates this practice practice, as he's all too aware of his (numerous) descendants' desire to get in his good graces.
9th Jul '16 11:29:30 AM TheFLL
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** It's noted that Tywin upped his ruthlessness after the death of his beloved Joanna. While Tyrion is defintely feeling the fallout of her death, Tywin wasn't particularly nice before she passed: this is the man that brought two rebellious houses to extinction, babes and all in a gruesome manner, to send a message to any other faction. [[spoiler: His enactment of the Red Wedding is done for much the same reason. And his love for his dead wife doesn't particularly stop him from using whores either, despite shitting on Tyrion for doing so.]]

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** It's noted that Tywin upped his ruthlessness after the death of his beloved Joanna. While Tyrion is defintely feeling the fallout of her death, Tywin wasn't particularly nice before she passed: this is the man that brought two rebellious houses to extinction, babes and all in a gruesome manner, to send a message to any other faction. [[spoiler: His enactment of the Red Wedding is done for much the same reason. And his love for his dead wife doesn't particularly stop him from using whores either, despite shitting on Tyrion for doing so.]]]] He may have become colder, but his methods have largely remained the same.
** Lyanna Stark's death is largely blamed as to why Robert became a poor husband and a poor king. Thing was, Robert was quite the ladies man - and by quite, I mean he had a bastard while he was being raised alongside Ned Stark under Jon Arryn - so Lyanna questioned whether he genuinely loved him. Robert himself acknowledges that he never really knew Lyanna as a person, and its implied he may have been as unhappily married to her as he is to Cersei. Even if they were HappilyMarried, Robert was still a man who lived to fight: it's questionable if a stable marriage would legitimately interest him in actually ruling well.
** [[spoiler: Ned Stark's commitment to honour is held responsible for his death, and the subsequent civil war that leaves everyone worse off, especially his own family. But this ignores two things: Petyr Baelish, and Varys. For its revealed that Baelish wanted to not only create chaos in the realm for himself to move up, but remove Ned by any means necessary so as to get closer to Catelyn Tully, Ned's wife. As for Varys, it turns out that he's trying to return the Targaryens to the throne in the form of Aegon, Rhaegar's son, and as such, he had a vested interest in keeping the realm unstable and weakened so that Aegon could easily step in. [[NoKillLikeOverkill Giving what he ends up doing to Kevan Lannister,]] [[NotSoDifferent who's shown to be similar in temperament and goals to Ned,]] its implied that Ned would have eventually ended up like Kevan if he had survived and managed to have some impact in King's Landing. Between the two, it's implied that civil war was ultimately inevitable, and that one way or another, Ned Stark would die, honour or not.]]
9th Jul '16 11:04:59 AM TheFLL
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* ForWantOfANail: It's remarked several times how certain characters were brought to ruin by a single event or decision, and how things could have been better. Except reading between the lines suggest that even if different choices were made, sometimes the events would have stayed the same.
** It's noted that Tywin upped his ruthlessness after the death of his beloved Joanna. While Tyrion is defintely feeling the fallout of her death, Tywin wasn't particularly nice before she passed: this is the man that brought two rebellious houses to extinction, babes and all in a gruesome manner, to send a message to any other faction. [[spoiler: His enactment of the Red Wedding is done for much the same reason. And his love for his dead wife doesn't particularly stop him from using whores either, despite shitting on Tyrion for doing so.]]
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