History DeconstructedTrope / ASongOfIceAndFire

3rd May '16 8:11:30 AM TheOneWhoTropes
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* MosesInTheBullrushes: [[spoiler:Aegon VI Targaryen, believed to have been killed as a baby, is alive and was raised abroad by allies of his family. In an attempt to [[InvokedTrope invoke]] how this trope usually plays out, Aegon is given a broad range of education and experiences so that he will be ideally suited for ultimately reclaiming the throne a la The Once And Future King. There are hints that Aegon [[RoyalBrat may not be the perfect hidden prince his protectors hoped for]], and he may not even be the real Aegon at all (even if he himself doesn't know that).]]

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* MosesInTheBullrushes: MosesInTheBulrushes: [[spoiler:Aegon VI Targaryen, believed to have been killed as a baby, is alive and was raised abroad by allies of his family. In an attempt to [[InvokedTrope invoke]] how this trope usually plays out, Aegon is given a broad range of education and experiences so that he will be ideally suited for ultimately reclaiming the throne a la The Once And Future King. There are hints that Aegon [[RoyalBrat may not be the perfect hidden prince his protectors hoped for]], and he may not even be the real Aegon at all (even if he himself doesn't know that).]]
24th Apr '16 3:50:10 AM Euodiachloris
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** Invoking the Hero's Journey also gets Benfred Tallhart and his band of "Wild Hares" into phenomenal amounts of trouble. Interpreting Robb Stark's initial military successes as their CallToAdventure, the group goes on to similarly interpret their elders' misgivings and warnings as obstacles any group of heroes will naturally overcome during their myth arc. Unfortunately, they turn out to be horrifically WrongGenreSavvy about their "call" to defend the North from Ironborn or surprise Southern incursion while the bulk of the forces are focussed South. Heroes, apparently, don't need to worry about scouts, stealth or the element of surprise when on the march... It gets them mostly killed by Theon's small, but well-deployed raiding party. Furthermore, upon capture, "defying the villain to his face" doesn't result in imprisonment pending a badass rescue or breakout montage to stirring music: it gets you executed by drowning, doesn't it, Benfred?

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** *** Invoking the Hero's Journey also gets Benfred Tallhart and his band of "Wild Hares" into phenomenal amounts of trouble. Interpreting Robb Stark's initial military successes as their CallToAdventure, the group goes on to similarly interpret their elders' misgivings and warnings as obstacles any group of heroes will naturally overcome during their myth arc. Unfortunately, they turn out to be horrifically WrongGenreSavvy about their self-appointed "call" to defend the North from Ironborn or surprise Southern incursion while the bulk of the Northern forces are focussed South. Heroes, apparently, don't need to worry about scouts, stealth or the element of surprise when on the march... It gets them mostly killed ignominiously slaughtered by Theon's small, but well-deployed well-deployed, raiding party. Furthermore, upon capture, "defying the villain The Villain to his face" doesn't result in imprisonment pending a badass rescue or breakout montage to stirring music: music leading up to a redemptive rallying of your fellow Northmen to take back what was lost due to your screw-up: it gets you unceremoniously executed by drowning, doesn't it, Benfred?
24th Apr '16 3:37:14 AM Euodiachloris
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** Invoking the Hero's Journey also gets Benfred Tallhart and his band of "Wild Hares" into phenomenal amounts of trouble. Interpreting Robb Stark's initial military successes as their CallToAdventure, the group goes on to similarly interpret their elders' misgivings and warnings as obstacles any group of heroes will naturally overcome during their myth arc. Unfortunately, they turn out to be horrifically WrongGenreSavvy about their "call" to defend the North from Ironborn or surprise Southern incursion while the bulk of the forces are focussed South. Heroes, apparently, don't need to worry about scouts, stealth or the element of surprise when on the march... It gets them mostly killed by Theon's small, but well-deployed raiding party. Furthermore, upon capture, "defying the villain to his face" doesn't result in imprisonment pending a badass rescue or breakout montage to stirring music: it gets you executed by drowning, doesn't it, Benfred?
23rd Apr '16 10:42:20 AM Euodiachloris
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* BlingOfWar: Ghiscari masters in general, and Yunkish ones in particular, have gone so overboard with their peacock displays on their slave soldiers that they're barely able to fight. Also, Ser Hugh of the Vale might as well have gone into battle naked against The Mountain for the good the fancy-looking armor did him.

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* BlingOfWar: Ghiscari masters in general, and Yunkish ones in particular, have gone so overboard with their peacock displays on their slave soldiers that they're barely able to fight. Also, fight.
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Ser Hugh of the Vale might as well have gone into battle naked against The Mountain for the good the fancy-looking fancy-looking, ego-inflating armor did him.him, proving that even tasteful, well-designed bling is still a bad idea if you're a newly-promoted, tourney noob facing a professional killer.
14th Apr '16 10:04:08 AM maximsk
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* OvershadowedByAwesome: Ned Stark, Robert Baratheon and Jon Arryn are always praised for defeating the Mad King but Stannis Baratheon, who weathered the Siege of Storm's End and took Dragonstone, is frequently left out. This makes him bitter and motivates him to get the Iron Throne no matter the cost. By the law of Westeros he ''is'' the legitimate heir to the throne, however the fact that after the rebellion he was posted by his brother to a small island with few resources and and less vassals than other regions means that he has trouble getting enough support to enforce his claim, prolonging the war.

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* OvershadowedByAwesome: Ned Stark, Robert Baratheon and Jon Arryn are always praised for defeating the Mad King but Stannis Baratheon, who weathered the Siege of Storm's End and took Dragonstone, is frequently left out. This makes him bitter and motivates him to get the Iron Throne no matter the cost. By the law of Westeros he ''is'' the legitimate heir to the throne, however the fact that after the rebellion he was posted by his brother to a small island with few resources and and less fewer vassals than other regions means that he has trouble getting enough support to enforce his claim, prolonging the war.
10th Apr '16 1:51:36 PM sugilite
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* LovingaShadow: Like the LadykillerInLove example above, Robert was implied to have never really known Lyanna all that well, and that he was more excited about marrying her for the sake of being Ned's brother than any values of her own. This is implied when Robert tries to broker a marriage between his [[spoiler: false]] son and heir Joffrey and Ned's eldest daughter Lyanna. Ditto for Sansa and Joffrey,showing how dangerous it could be in a CrapsackWorld as [[spoiler: when he showed his true colors to Sansa she already fell for the cultivated image of a PrinceCharming meant to mask his true sociopathic nature, no thanks in no small part to several birth defects from inbreeding.]]

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* LovingaShadow: Like the LadykillerInLove example above, Robert was implied to have never really known Lyanna all that well, and that he was more excited about marrying her for the sake of being Ned's brother than any values of her own. This is implied when Robert tries to broker a marriage between his [[spoiler: false]] son and heir Joffrey and Ned's eldest daughter Lyanna.Sansa. Ditto for Sansa and Joffrey,showing how dangerous it could be in a CrapsackWorld as [[spoiler: when he showed his true colors to Sansa she already fell for the cultivated image of a PrinceCharming meant to mask his true sociopathic nature, no thanks in no small part to several birth defects from inbreeding.]]
10th Apr '16 1:50:41 PM sugilite
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* LovingaShadow: Like the LadykillerInLove example above, Robert was implied to have never really known Lyanna all that well, and that he was more excited about marrying her for the sake of being Ned's brother than any values of her own. This is implied when Robert tries to broker a marriage between his [[spoiler: false]] son and heir Joffrey and Ned's eldest daughter Lyanna. Ditto for Sansa and Joffrey,showing how dangerous it could be in a CrapsackWorld as [[spoiler: when he showed his true colors to Sansa she already fell for the cultivated image of a PrinceCharming meant to mask his true sociopathic nature, no thanks in no small part to several birth defects from inbreeding.]]
9th Apr '16 3:13:51 PM Euodiachloris
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* NeverASelfMadeWoman: The series picks this trope apart and shoves the bits under a microscope all across the books. Cersei's arc is where we pick much of nuts and bolts up, but the real kicker is when her situation is contrasted with other women ''and men'' in the series. For starters... ''every'' last person with even a hint of power relies predominantly on their social ties to not only inherit it (and/or the knowledge to gain it -- highborns do better in the Faith and the Citadel) in the first place, but also to maintain it while they have it: it's not just the women relying heavily on others' names and ranks as children and adults. However, women get predominantly stuck with the short-end, as they are usually ''only'' seen has being the ties between the ''men'' of linages, and having no politically active agency in and an of themselves -- however good at the game they actually might be, if they got the same training as their brothers. Whether or not this is true. As... many a women makes her ''own'' mark on events -- even if it is decried, despite having to work in and around this cultural handicap: Olenna, Catelyn, Cersei herself, Daenerys, various Targaryen queens and consorts of either the ruling or supporting variety (both actual Targaryens and others), Great Ladies you hear about from history... many spring to mind. And, their actions are deliberately shown ''not'' to just be an extension or consequence of their fathers', brothers' or husbands' policies. They hamper or help plots and plans when they make their own choices and decisions, whatever training and bloodline they come from -- just like the men do.

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* NeverASelfMadeWoman: The series picks this trope apart and shoves the bits under a microscope all across the books. Cersei's arc is where we pick much of the nuts and bolts up, but the real kicker is when her situation is contrasted with other women ''and men'' in the series.series and the histories. For starters... ''every'' last person with even a hint of power relies predominantly on their social ties to not only inherit it (and/or the knowledge to gain it -- highborns do better in the Faith and the Citadel) in the first place, but also to maintain it while they have it: it's not just the women relying heavily on others' names and ranks as children and adults. However, women get predominantly stuck with the short-end, as they are usually ''only'' seen has being the ties between the ''men'' of linages, and having no politically active agency in and an of themselves -- however good at the game they actually might be, if they got the same training as their brothers. Whether or brothers and were given credit for what they achieve at, not this is true. As... many just condemned when they fail with their particular hardships dismissed as unimportant. Many a women does makes her ''own'' mark on events -- even if it is decried, dismissed and despite having to work in and around this cultural handicap: Olenna, Catelyn, Cersei herself, Daenerys, various Targaryen queens and consorts of either the ruling or supporting variety (both actual Targaryens and others), Great Ladies you hear about from history... many spring to mind. And, their actions are deliberately shown ''not'' to just be an extension or consequence of their fathers', brothers' or husbands' policies. policies and beliefs. They hamper or help plots and plans when they make their own ''own'' actions, choices and decisions, whatever training and bloodline they come from -- just like the men do.do. The major difference lies both in how it's perceived as working at the time, which dictates how it gets recorded.
1st Apr '16 5:54:42 AM Euodiachloris
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* NeverASelfMadeWoman: The series picks this trope apart and shoves the bits under a microscope all across the books. Cersei's arc is where we pick much of nuts and bolts up, but the real kicker is when her situation is contrasted with other women ''and men'' in the series. For starters... ''every'' last person with even a hint of power relies predominantly on their social ties to not only inherit it (and/or the knowledge to gain it -- highborns do better in the Faith and the Citadel) in the first place, but also to maintain it while they have it: it's not just the women relying heavily on others' names and ranks as children and adults. However, women get predominantly stuck with the short-end, as they are usually ''only'' seen has being the ties between the ''men'' of linages, and having no politically active agency in and an of themselves -- however good at the game they actually might be, if they got the same training as their brothers. Whether or not this is true. As... many a women makes her ''own'' mark on events -- even if it is decried, despite having to work in and around this cultural handicap: Olenna, Catelyn, Cersei herself, Daenerys, various Targaryen queens and consorts of either the ruling or supporting variety (both actual Targaryens and others), Great Ladies you hear about from history... many spring to mind. And, their actions are deliberately shown ''not'' to just be an extension or consequence of their fathers', brothers' or husbands' policies. They hamper or help plots and plans when they make their own choices and decisions, whatever training and bloodline they come from -- just like the men do.
28th Mar '16 12:50:23 PM GreatWyrmGold
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* ZombieApocalypse: Absolutely no one has any idea how to counter the return of the White Walkers because the kingdoms are fighting for supremacy. Most people in Westeros don't even believe they are still around, if they believe they existed at all outside of myth.
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