History DeconstructedTrope / ASongOfIceAndFire

10th Jan '18 2:59:58 PM Chubzhac
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* WhatsUpKingDude: This trope is rare since the vast majority of smallfolk don't even know what their ruling lords look like, let alone capable of meeting with them directly. For the few who do interact with the nobility on a regular basis, talking with them casually can be dangerous to their health. When Arya was serving Roose Bolton under the identity of a peasant girl, he threatened to cut her tongue out for questioning him and he later got mad at Brienne for speaking out of turn. However, there are some notable exceptions, as one of the reasons Ned Stark was loved in the North was because of his due to his efforts to make sure his smallfolk knew him. He even occasionally invited peasants to dinner just to hear out what problems they were having.
24th Dec '17 9:55:40 PM tyouker
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** Littlefinger being the most beholden to {{Realpolitik}} in principle and practice shows that Machiavellian tactics, playing off alliances on necessity and interest rather than bonds of love and common ideals work.

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** Littlefinger being the most beholden to {{Realpolitik}} in principle and practice shows that Machiavellian tactics, playing off alliances on necessity and interest rather than bonds of love and common ideals work. However, it works in part because Littlefinger doesn't really seem to care about being a good ruler per se; he just cares about increasing his own power. So whether his approach works depends on what you mean by "work." It works for him very well (so far). For the people of the Riverlands who [[spoiler: are technically his subjects as of the end of the second book]]? Not so much.
4th Dec '17 2:16:08 AM Chubzhac
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** It should be noted that while the winners of wars and conflicts often rewrite history and current events to put themselves in the best light possible, few people who hear it are fooled by it. Almost everyone knows this trope is in effect in every official account of history and current news and they are often able to deduce what really happened on their own. The only reason they pretend to believe the altered accounts of history is for political reasons, as it's not very smart to accuse the ruling powers of lying. The same holds true for actions and events that happened centuries ago, as many characters are able to look past all the romanticism of old songs and legends that glorify the noble houses and come up with more realistic theories for historical events.

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** It should be noted that while the winners of wars and conflicts often rewrite history and current events to put themselves in the best light possible, few people who hear it are fooled by it. Almost everyone knows this trope is in effect in every official account of history and current news and they are often able to easily deduce what really happened on their own.happened. The only reason they pretend to believe the altered accounts of history is for political reasons, as it's not very smart to accuse the ruling powers of lying. The same holds true for actions and events that happened centuries ago, as many characters are able to look past all the romanticism of old songs and legends that glorify the noble houses and come up with more realistic theories for historical events.
4th Dec '17 12:05:28 AM Chubzhac
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* WrittenByTheWinners: The nobles are the only ones who know how to read and write, so their stories are the only ones who get told. This includes the book series themselves. Enter Septon Merribald in ''A Feast for Crows'', who gets several chapters to describe the commoners' view on the noble-centric narrative the series has used up to that point and essentially deconstructs the entire first three books by pointing out how destructive wars of the nobility are to the smallfolk.

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The nobles are the only ones who know how to read and write, so their stories are the only ones who get told. This includes the book series themselves. Enter Septon Merribald in ''A Feast for Crows'', who gets several chapters to describe the commoners' view on the noble-centric narrative the series has used up to that point and essentially deconstructs the entire first three books by pointing out how destructive wars of the nobility are to the smallfolk.
** It should be noted that while the winners of wars and conflicts often rewrite history and current events to put themselves in the best light possible, few people who hear it are fooled by it. Almost everyone knows this trope is in effect in every official account of history and current news and they are often able to deduce what really happened on their own. The only reason they pretend to believe the altered accounts of history is for political reasons, as it's not very smart to accuse the ruling powers of lying. The same holds true for actions and events that happened centuries ago, as many characters are able to look past all the romanticism of old songs and legends that glorify the noble houses and come up with more realistic theories for historical events.
7th Nov '17 6:52:23 AM annieholmes
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** As a race of AlwaysChaoticEvil OmnicidalManiacs, [[TheFairFolk the Others]] who once brought about [[DarkestHour the Long Night]] should be the perfect enemy for all of Westeros, nay, the ''entire world'' to band together and fight against. But since the last sighting of the White Walkers was millenia before the beginning of the saga, they've been reduced to legends and fairytales while they're collecting strength and rising again in the Land of Always Winter, while Westeros itself is falling apart in the midst of a SuccessionCrisis as all but a few are aware that the Long Night is about the happen once more.

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** As a race of AlwaysChaoticEvil OmnicidalManiacs, [[OmnicidalManiac omnicidal maniacs]], [[TheFairFolk the Others]] who once brought about [[DarkestHour the Long Night]] should be the perfect enemy for all of Westeros, nay, the ''entire world'' to band together and fight against. But since the last sighting of the White Walkers was millenia before the beginning of the saga, they've been reduced to legends and fairytales while they're collecting strength and rising again in the Land of Always Winter, while Westeros itself is falling apart in the midst of a SuccessionCrisis as all but a few are aware that the Long Night is about the happen once more.
7th Nov '17 6:51:39 AM annieholmes
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** As a race of AlwaysChaoticEvil OmnicidialManiacs, [[TheFairFolk the Others]] who once brought about [[DarkestHour the Long Night]] should be the perfect enemy for all of Westeros, nay, the ''entire world'' to band together and fight against. But since the last sighting of the White Walkers was millenia before the beginning of the saga, they've been reduced to legends and fairytales while they're collecting strength and rising again in the Land of Always Winter, while Westeros itself is falling apart in the midst of a SuccessionCrisis as all but a few are aware that the Long Night is about the happen once more.

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** As a race of AlwaysChaoticEvil OmnicidialManiacs, OmnicidalManiacs, [[TheFairFolk the Others]] who once brought about [[DarkestHour the Long Night]] should be the perfect enemy for all of Westeros, nay, the ''entire world'' to band together and fight against. But since the last sighting of the White Walkers was millenia before the beginning of the saga, they've been reduced to legends and fairytales while they're collecting strength and rising again in the Land of Always Winter, while Westeros itself is falling apart in the midst of a SuccessionCrisis as all but a few are aware that the Long Night is about the happen once more.
10th Oct '17 3:40:50 PM theIndiekid
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** Davos was knighted for delivering food for the garrison of Storm's End during Robert's Rebellion but Stannis (the leader of that garrison) chopped off the fingers of Davos' right hand as punishment for smuggling.

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** Davos was knighted for delivering food for the garrison of Storm's End during Robert's Rebellion but Stannis (the leader of that garrison) chopped off the fingers of Davos' right hand as punishment for smuggling. That said, Davos himself considers the punishment fair, and the lands and advantages his family gets as a result, is an absolute bargain for a couple fewer fingernails to clean.
10th Oct '17 11:08:53 AM Euodiachloris
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** ImpossibleTask: The Targaryens had dragons and esoteric Valyrian knowledge that gave them a serious edge in a world post-Doom without much of either. They lost both over successive generations and a great deal of family in-fighting. Regaining it all became an obsession to the dragonless descendants. To the point that when a dusty [[PropheticFallacy prophecy that kind-of, sort-of]] gave pointers about what circumstances needed to be met to get everything back was found, succeeding generations tried to force it into being: [[SolveTheSoupCans and, failed utterly]]. Mainly thanks to no longer having the [[RequiredSecondaryPowers knowledge or culture they needed]] to [[TheKeyIsBehindTheLock interpret it correctly any more]]. They damned near exterminated their own lineage multiple times trying, in fact. Yes, they've finally found their "Prince That Was Promised". Through no direct attempt to, this time (although, [[EpilepticTrees others might have used them knowing more than those that played parts did]]). However, there are not that many of them left to celebrate the return of dragons. Worse, there are no Targaryens around who know how to train or control the things now they're back. Also, there are plenty of people willing to take them off the princess. Wonderful.

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** ImpossibleTask: The Targaryens had dragons and esoteric Valyrian knowledge that gave them a serious edge in a world post-Doom without much of either. They lost both over successive generations and a great deal of family in-fighting. Regaining it all became an obsession to the dragonless descendants. To the point that when a dusty [[PropheticFallacy prophecy that kind-of, sort-of]] gave pointers about what circumstances needed to be met to get everything back was found, succeeding generations tried to force it into being: [[SolveTheSoupCans and, failed utterly]]. Mainly thanks to no longer having the [[RequiredSecondaryPowers knowledge or culture they needed]] to [[TheKeyIsBehindTheLock interpret it correctly any more]]. They damned near exterminated their own lineage multiple times trying, in fact. Yes, they've finally found their "Prince That Was Promised". Through no direct attempt to, this time (although, [[EpilepticTrees others might have used them knowing more than those that played parts did]]). However, there are not that many of them left to celebrate the (accidental and likely unreproducible) return of dragons. Worse, there are no Targaryens around who know how to train or control the things now they're back. Also, there are plenty of people willing to take them off the princess. Wonderful.
2nd Sep '17 1:17:52 PM TheFLL
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* DroitDuSeigneur: Even when the custom was legal and widespread, raping your inferiors is an utterly awful idea on [[PragmaticEvil a pragmatic level]] at the very least. House Qoherys, the first Lords of Harrenhal after the Hoares, met it's end because Gargon the Guest abused this right so much that the smallfolk betrayed and handed him over to [[RebelLeader Harren the Red]] to be castrated and executed. [[spoiler: In the present, one of the few StupidEvil decisions Roose ever partook in was the rape of a peasant girl and the hanging of her husband. This encounter produced [[BastardBastard Ramsay Snow]] who causes no end of problems for Roose, and there's a heavy implication that the peasant Roose raped raised Ramsay to be a monster, and sent him in Roose's general direction [[RapeAndRevenge precisely so she could pay him back for taking his lord's rights.]]]]
28th Aug '17 8:19:48 PM thatother1dude
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** Seen as a sure way of deciding who is right and who is wrong because the gods favor the winner. Two of the three we've seen in the main books have given false verdicts. The other one acquitted an innocent man, but the victory was won by using [[CombatPragmatist dishonourable tactics]] (though the result was respected anyway).

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** Seen as a sure way of deciding who is right and who is wrong because [[MoralLuck the gods favor the winner.winner]]. Two of the three we've seen in the main books have given false verdicts. The other one acquitted an innocent man, but the victory was won by using [[CombatPragmatist dishonourable tactics]] (though the result was respected anyway).
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