History DeconstructedTrope / ASongOfIceAndFire

21st Sep '16 8:11:28 PM Euodiachloris
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* ZeroPercentApprovalRating: Maintaining power when everyone under you hates you isn't easy.
** Cersei Lannister is very disliked by the "sparrows", religious smallfolk who are dissatisfied with the Lannister regime after the war. The new High Septon, nicknamed the High Sparrow, is able to manipulate Cersei into [[ChurchMilitant rearming the Faith]] in part by claiming it will make her more popular with them. [[spoiler: However, once she does so, they gain the power to arrest her for her crimes.]]
** Despite her intent to make things better, Daenerys is so despised in Slaver's Bay that chaos reigns more than she does. Innocent people who support her are murdered at night by the [[TheRemnant Sons of the Harpy]] [[spoiler: and there is an attempt made on her life. She can barely control her own court and is forced to marry a possible enemy to placate her opponents.]]
** Tyrion's demonisation by the commons in King's Landing wouldn't have helped his case with his father after Blackwater when Cersei was able to convince Tywin that most of the defensive work was her doing. Had the blame for most of the Lannister mistakes been applied to the correct people in the popular mind instead of reaching for the easy "Demon Monkey" scapegoat role they loaded him with, Tywin might have actually taken note. [[TheUnfavourite Well, maybe]]. At the very least, Cersei would not have come out of it quite so glowingly.

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* ZeroPercentApprovalRating: Maintaining power when everyone under you hates you isn't easy.
easy... and, can lock you into a cycle of [[Catch22Dilemma doing things people will hate you for]].
** Cersei Lannister is very disliked by the "sparrows", religious smallfolk who are dissatisfied with the Lannister regime after the war. The new High Septon, nicknamed the High Sparrow, is able to manipulate Cersei into [[ChurchMilitant rearming the Faith]] in part by claiming it will make her more popular with them. them (and, by extension, with the smallfolk, which could give her ammunition against increasingly unhappy petty lords and heavily-taxed merchants). [[spoiler: However, once she does so, they gain the power to arrest her for her crimes.crimes -- and, greater instability hits ''everybody'' and their dogs.]]
** Despite her intent to make things better, Daenerys is so despised in Slaver's Bay that chaos reigns more than she does. Innocent people who support her are murdered at night by the [[TheRemnant Sons of the Harpy]] [[spoiler: and there is an attempt made on her life. She can barely control her own court and is forced to marry a possible enemy to placate her opponents.opponents, which only boosts frustration among her strongest supporters. Nothing she tries to do gains traction because of the hatred and incessant factionalism.]]
** Tyrion's demonisation by the commons in King's Landing wouldn't have helped his case with his father after Blackwater when Cersei was able to convince Tywin that most of the defensive work was her doing. Had the blame for most of the Lannister mistakes been applied to the correct people in the popular mind instead of reaching for the easy "Demon Monkey" scapegoat role they loaded him with, Tywin might have actually taken note. [[TheUnfavourite Well, maybe]]. At the very least, Cersei would not have come out of it quite so glowingly. As it was, Tyrion's perceived failures at curbing the Crown's self-inflicted chaos during the seige come back to bite him time and again, [[TheScapegoat blown up out of all proportion]].



** The Freys were already this before the war, mocked and looked down upon for being opportunistic weasels. But after [[spoiler:their betrayal in the Red Wedding]] they are now loathed by nearly everyone in the Riverlands and the North. Everyone in the Riverlands and the North will take the opportunity to kill every Frey they encounter, and people will not think twice when one of them dies, especially as many Northern and Riverlands Houses lost men and relatives to them. Also, even though the Riverlords have officially submitted to the Iron Throne, Jaime knows he can't rely on the people in reality and has to take hostages.
* HundredPercentAdorationRating: Making sure everyone likes you is really hard work.

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** The Freys were already this before the war, mocked and looked down upon for being opportunistic weasels. But after [[spoiler:their betrayal in the Red Wedding]] they are now loathed by nearly everyone in the Riverlands and the North. Everyone in the Riverlands and the North those regions will take the opportunity to kill every Frey they encounter, encounter if it presents itself, and people will not think twice when one of them dies, especially as dies. Heck, because many Northern and Riverlands Houses lost men and relatives to them, most break out into very thinly disguised schadenfreude upon hearing of the latest tragedy to befall the Freys -- in front of them. Also, even though the Riverlords have officially submitted to the Iron Throne, Jaime knows he can't rely on the people in reality and has to take hostages.
* HundredPercentAdorationRating: Making sure everyone likes you is really hard hard, dirty work.
4th Sep '16 1:29:11 AM damus2300
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** Tyrion Lannister was "rewarded" by his father for the defense of King's Landing with marriage to Sansa Stark to prevent him from inheriting Casterly Rock.
** Tywin Lannister got his hero reward (the monarchy under his thumb) for helping overthrow the Targaryens by sacking the capital and killing the royal family.

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** Tyrion Lannister was "rewarded" by his father for the defense of King's Landing with marriage to Sansa Stark to prevent him from inheriting Casterly Rock.
** Tywin Lannister got his hero reward (the monarchy under his thumb) for helping overthrow
Rock and to disinherit Robb Stark at the Targaryens by sacking the capital and killing the royal family.same time.
25th Aug '16 6:48:36 PM qazwsx
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** TheHerosJourney: Prince Quentyn Martell sets off with his loyal band of friends to find and woo the WorldsMostBeautifulWoman. Half of them get killed in a minor skirmish before we even get to their story. By the time Quentyn reaches his beautiful princess, [[spoiler:Daenerys is already set up for an ArrangedMarriage, while sleeping with a lowborn sellsword who's much more handsome and [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys dangerously exciting]] than Quentyn. Believing that TheHero can't be killed, Quentyn then tries to steal a dragon to prove himself worthy of her, only to be roasted alive for his trouble]].

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** TheHerosJourney: TheHerosJourney:
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Prince Quentyn Martell sets off with his loyal band of friends to find and woo the WorldsMostBeautifulWoman. Half of them get killed in a minor skirmish before we even get to their story. By the time Quentyn reaches his beautiful princess, [[spoiler:Daenerys is already set up for an ArrangedMarriage, while sleeping with a lowborn sellsword who's much more handsome and [[AllGirlsWantBadBoys dangerously exciting]] than Quentyn. Believing that TheHero can't be killed, Quentyn then tries to steal a dragon to prove himself worthy of her, only to be roasted alive for his trouble]].
25th Aug '16 6:20:31 PM qazwsx
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* BlingOfWar: Ghiscari masters in general, and Yunkish ones in particular, have gone so overboard with their peacock displays on their slave soldiers that they're barely able to fight.

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* BlingOfWar: BlingOfWar:
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Ghiscari masters in general, and Yunkish ones in particular, have gone so overboard with their peacock displays on their slave soldiers that they're barely able to fight.
25th Aug '16 6:19:20 PM qazwsx
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* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: The Dothraki way. Initially, this is believed to make them an incredibly dangerous threat to Westeros and a highly advantageous ally to Viserys Targaryen. However, the series also demonstrates that this philosophy doesn't make them the threat Robert and Viserys imagine them to be.
** Firstly, because they only respect strength, their culture makes them largely uninterested in ambitions of pursuing wealth or conquering nations, as none of these things indicate authority to them. This also makes them far more difficult to ally with than Viserys anticipated, given his lack of understanding for their culture.
** Secondly, even though Khal Drogo was convinced to set his sights towards an invasion of Westeros, that ambition only lasted as long as his life, and the ''khalasar'' fragmented and turned away from this goal the moment he was incapacitated.

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* AsskickingEqualsAuthority: AsskickingEqualsAuthority:
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The Dothraki way. Initially, this is believed to make them an incredibly dangerous threat to Westeros and a highly advantageous ally to Viserys Targaryen. However, the series also demonstrates that this philosophy doesn't make them the threat Robert and Viserys imagine them to be.
** *** Firstly, because they only respect strength, their culture makes them largely uninterested in ambitions of pursuing wealth or conquering nations, as none of these things indicate authority to them. This also makes them far more difficult to ally with than Viserys anticipated, given his lack of understanding for their culture.
** *** Secondly, even though Khal Drogo was convinced to set his sights towards an invasion of Westeros, that ambition only lasted as long as his life, and the ''khalasar'' fragmented and turned away from this goal the moment he was incapacitated.
31st Jul '16 7:17:09 PM damus2300
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** Viserys Targaryen marries his sister Daenerys to Khal Drogo so he can use his horde to take back the Iron Throne but Dothraki don't believe in business arrangements and see the new Khaleesi as a gift. [[spoiler:Viserys loses patience and threatens to harm Dany and her unborn baby so Drogo kills him. Later, an attempt on Dany's life convinces Drogo to invade Westeros and give the Iron Throne to their son as a "gift".]]
** Robb Stark breaks his marriage pact with Walder Frey so they get Edmure Tully to marry a Frey girl instead. [[spoiler:This is used as a pretext for the Red Wedding.]]



** Robb Stark breaks his marriage pact with Walder Frey so they get Edmure Tully to marry a Frey girl instead. [[spoiler:This is used as a pretext for the Red Wedding.]]
31st Jul '16 7:09:39 PM damus2300
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* AltarDiplomacy: Arranged marriage is the most common way for the noble houses to cement alliances, but it gets taken for granted.
** The Queen's Men think they can marry off the "Wildling Princess" Val to get them to fight with them. Wildlings of course don't believe in this since strength of leadership is all that matters.
** Robb Stark breaks his marriage pact with Walder Frey so they get Edmure Tully to marry a Frey girl instead. [[spoiler:This is used as a pretext for the Red Wedding.]]
27th Jul '16 5:01:41 AM damus2300
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* ChangelingFantasy
** Ramsay Bolton (formerly the bastard Ramsay Snow) thinks his father Roose took him in out of kindness and that Roose and his mother couldn't marry because she was just a peasant. Ramsay is actually a ChildOfRape and his mother never wanted him.
** Obara Sand left her mother and joined her father Oberyn Martell because she didn't want to be trampled on as a girl and as a commoner.
27th Jul '16 4:26:28 AM SorPepita
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** Contrast, with Stannis, who is denied his rightful claim to the throne because of the disdain the nobility and commoners have for him. He's disdained because his unforgiving and hard nature would make the survival of schemers such as Petyr Baelish, the Lannisters, or the Tyrells an impossibilty in the long term if he were to rule. All of the above suggests that if everyone, [[PoisonousFriend including ambitious, amoral chessmasters]] would ''like'' to have you as their ruler, maybe that's a sign that you aren't suited to rule.

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** Contrast, Contrast with Stannis, who is denied his rightful claim to the throne because of the disdain the nobility and commoners have for him. He's disdained because his unforgiving and hard nature would make the survival of schemers such as Petyr Baelish, the Lannisters, or the Tyrells an impossibilty in the long term if he were to rule. All of the above suggests that if everyone, [[PoisonousFriend including ambitious, amoral chessmasters]] would ''like'' to have you as their ruler, maybe that's a sign that you aren't suited to rule.
19th Jul '16 12:38:00 PM TheFLL
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* CoolChair: The Iron Throne [[ThroneMadeOfX made from the thousand swords of Aegon the Conqueror's enemies]] is incredibly uncomfortable and is rumored to have killed Aegon's son Maegor. Of course, this is the entire point of the Iron Throne: to constantly remind any king that supreme power is supremely dangerous and is not a thing to be trifled with.

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* CoolChair: The Iron Throne [[ThroneMadeOfX made from the thousand swords of Aegon the Conqueror's enemies]] is incredibly uncomfortable and is rumored to have killed Aegon's son Maegor. Of course, this is the The entire point of the Iron Throne: Throne is to constantly remind any king that supreme power is supremely dangerous and is not a thing to be trifled with.with, but instead, virtually everyone sees it as a monument to what Aegon accomplished, so instead of the throne signifying WithGreatPowerComesGreatResponsibility, it instead suggests that WithGreatPowerComesGreatPerks.
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