History DarkerAndEdgier / LiveActionTV

7th Oct '17 12:50:57 AM RyCyber
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** It got worse in Season 3 (the second half anyway) in which Barry accidently ran into the future to see Iris murdered by [[BigBad Savitar]] and Team Flash failing at every turn to prevent it until [[spoiler: HR sacrficed himself in her place via chameleon tech.]] It made even worse when Savitar's true identity was [[spoiler: a future version of Barry, created by the abuse of time remnants in an attempt to defeat Savitar, and wanted to killed Iris to secure his own existence]]. The StableTimeLoop was eventually broken by [[ HR's sarcrifice and Iris fatally shooting him.]]

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** It got worse in Season 3 (the second half anyway) in which Barry accidently ran into the future to see Iris murdered by [[BigBad Savitar]] and Team Flash failing at every turn to prevent it until [[spoiler: HR sacrficed himself in her place via chameleon tech.]] It It made even worse when Savitar's true identity was [[spoiler: a future version of Barry, created by the abuse of time remnants in an attempt to defeat Savitar, and wanted to killed Iris to secure his own existence]]. The StableTimeLoop was eventually broken by [[ [[spoiler: HR's sarcrifice and Iris fatally shooting him.]]
7th Oct '17 12:49:53 AM RyCyber
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** It got worse in Season 3 (the second half anyway) in which Barry accidently ran into the future to see Iris murdered by [[BigBad Savitar]] and Team Flash failing at every turn to prevent it until [[spoiler: HR sacrficed himself in her place via chameleon tech.]] It made even worse when Savitar's true identity was [[spoiler: a future version of Barry, created by the abuse of time remnants in an attempt to defeat Savitar, and wanted to killed Iris to secure his own existence]]. The StableTimeLoop was eventually broken by [[ HR's sarcrifice and Iris fatally shooting him.]]
1st Oct '17 8:17:46 PM n3xus
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** Despite the gaming ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' has managed to take on darker tone similar to the earlier Heisei era Kamen Rider such as ''Faiz'' as it resembles a medical drama rather than a regular heroes show. Bugsters are SeriousBusiness in this [[setting CrapsaccharineWorld]], most of the Riders are either amoral [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]] or flat-out [[{{Jerkass}} Jerkasses]] as they are forced to make difficult disease in medicine just like RealLife, a special surgery is required to become a Rider, the [[spoiler: Proto Gashats]] having severe side effects if overused, [[spoiler: which leads to the permanent death of the user]] .

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** Despite the gaming ''Series/KamenRiderExAid'' has managed to take on darker tone similar to the earlier Heisei era Kamen Rider such as ''Faiz'' as it resembles a medical drama rather than a regular heroes show. Bugsters are SeriousBusiness in this [[setting CrapsaccharineWorld]], [[CrapsaccharineWorld setting]], most of the Riders are either amoral [[AntiHero Anti-Heroes]] or flat-out [[{{Jerkass}} Jerkasses]] {{Jerkass}}es as they are forced to make difficult disease in medicine just like RealLife, a special surgery is required to become a Rider, the [[spoiler: Proto Gashats]] having severe side effects if overused, [[spoiler: which leads to the permanent death of the user]] .
19th Sep '17 9:57:22 PM RoarkTenjouin
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** Much like with the below mentioned ''Ohranger'', ''Series/JAKQDengekitai'' started out darker in comparison to ''Series/HimitsuSentaiGoranger'', but due to how much of an impact this had on ratings, it was retooled into something more lighthearted.



** ''Series/TokumeiSentaiGoBusters'' went the same way as ''Ohranger'', as it too dealt with robot terrorism and the Busters themselves can be weakened to the point where a city could be destroyed and the enetron could be stolen - and also went LighterAndSofter midway through, shifting towards being more comedy-oriented specifically involving the [[RobotBuddy BuddyRoids]]. In fact, it shifted up and down the scale a ''few'' times, so that you have Go-onger scale wackiness at some points and things that would ''never'' happen in any of the above series in others. The end in particular cements the inability to ScrewDestiny in two cases ([[spoiler: You figured no matter how many times we heard it couldn't be done, they'd find a way to save their parents and the other researchers, who were digitized within the DiscOneFinalBoss. Also, a Ranger LivingOnBorrowedTime will usually be saved. When the final curtain closes, it's official: They really ''did'' have to kill their parents with Messiah, ''and'' saving Jin isn't possible.]]) Yes, we ''are'' still talking about the same series whose wacky robots made it seem the SpiritualSuccessor to Go-Onger.
** ''Series/UchuuSentaiKyuranger'' may have a cast that's a lot quirkier than other entries, but it has easily the biggest DownerBeginning in all of Sentai - '''the entire universe''' was conquered by Jark Matter, with civilians shown being killed in the opening[[note]]for comparison's sake, the closet Sentai had come before was near the end of the aforementioned ''Ohranger'', where the villains had conquered the entire earth[[/note]]. Additionally, it features one of the earliest deaths of a Sentai ranger ([[spoiler:Champ]]) in the entire franchise, ''16 episodes in'', with only [[Series/ChoudenshiBioman Mika]] dying earlier.

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** ''Series/TokumeiSentaiGoBusters'' went the same way as ''Ohranger'', as it too dealt with robot terrorism and the Busters themselves can be weakened to the point where a city could be destroyed and the enetron Enetron could be stolen - and also went LighterAndSofter midway through, shifting towards being more comedy-oriented specifically involving the [[RobotBuddy BuddyRoids]]. In fact, it shifted up and down the scale a ''few'' times, so that you have Go-onger scale wackiness at some points and things that would ''never'' happen in any of the above series in others. The end in particular cements the inability to ScrewDestiny in two cases ([[spoiler: You figured no matter how many times we heard it couldn't be done, they'd find a way to save their parents and the other researchers, who were digitized within the DiscOneFinalBoss. Also, a Ranger LivingOnBorrowedTime will usually be saved. When the final curtain closes, it's official: They really ''did'' have to kill their parents with Messiah, ''and'' saving Jin isn't possible.]]) Yes, we ''are'' still talking about the same series whose wacky robots made it seem the SpiritualSuccessor to Go-Onger.
** ''Series/UchuuSentaiKyuranger'' may have a cast that's a lot quirkier than other entries, but it has easily the biggest DownerBeginning in all of Sentai - '''the entire universe''' was conquered by Jark Matter, with civilians shown being killed in the opening[[note]]for comparison's sake, the closet Sentai had come before was near the end of the aforementioned ''Ohranger'', where the villains had conquered the entire earth[[/note]].earth[[/note]], with only the below-mentioned ''Ultraman Geed'' topping it. Additionally, it features one of the earliest deaths of a Sentai ranger ([[spoiler:Champ]]) in the entire franchise, ''16 episodes in'', with only [[Series/ChoudenshiBioman Mika]] dying earlier.
19th Sep '17 12:26:39 AM 4444jdm
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** ''Series/UltraQ: Dark Fantasy'' (2004) is a more-horrifying remake of the original, being more horror-focused in tone and even ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin.

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** ''Series/UltraQ: Dark Fantasy'' ''Series/UltraQDarkFantasy'' (2004) is a more-horrifying remake of [[Series/UltraQ the original, 1966 original]], being more horror-focused in tone and even ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin.
18th Sep '17 5:30:29 AM Shadowgazer
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* ''{{Series/Gotham}}'': For the [[{{Franchise/Batman}} Batman mythos]] as a whole this show is, compared to others, one of its darkest adaptations. Even in-universe to a slight extent, while the show was never lighthearted at all, as the series progressed it became even darker and more violent. Many characters were made into psychopaths and shown as corrupt. In most Batman shows/movies/ comics Jim Gordon is shown as a purely morally flawless character, in Gotham Jim Gordon has been forced to break the law on multiple occasions to get anything done, because of his fighting a losing war against a purely rotten system and the darkness of human nature, and has killed criminals when he realised that they deserved it and that there was no other way to deal with them and gradually became more of an antihero. The show has a bleak depressing tone where even main characters can die and no one is a pure hero. It eventually got to the point where before the third season was over, a since-{{Jossed}} theory stated that the series was set in an alternate universe where [[spoiler:Bruce Wayne becomes the supervillain Owlman]]. That theory alone, even if it was {{Jossed}}, should tell someone not familiar with the series how dark things can get.

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* ''{{Series/Gotham}}'': For the [[{{Franchise/Batman}} Batman mythos]] as a whole this show is, compared to others, one of its darkest adaptations. Even in-universe to a slight extent, while the show was never lighthearted at all, as the series progressed it became even darker and more violent. Many characters were made into psychopaths and shown as corrupt. In most Batman shows/movies/ comics Jim Gordon is shown as a purely morally flawless character, in Gotham Jim Gordon has been forced to break the law on multiple occasions to get anything done, because of his fighting a losing war against a purely an absolutely rotten system and the darkness of human nature, and has killed criminals when he realised that they deserved it and that there was no other way to deal with them and gradually became more of an antihero. The show has a bleak depressing tone where even main characters can die and no one is a pure hero. It eventually got to the point where before the third season was over, a since-{{Jossed}} theory stated that the series was set in an alternate universe where [[spoiler:Bruce Wayne becomes the supervillain Owlman]]. That theory alone, even if it was {{Jossed}}, should tell someone not familiar with the series how dark things can get.



* ''Series/{{Blackadder}}'' is a very odd example since dark humour is always its main element and each season's different elements can be darker or more lighthearted depending on the direction. The first season has, thanks to a more cinematic appeal, a grittier, more gothic atmosphere with emphasis on the dung part of the Dungs Ages and the squalor that people are forced to live in. It also has (both because of the budget and a more visual approach) the most brutal onscreen scenes of violence and often blurs the line between black comedy and historical dramedy with [[spoiler: a very morose and sad ending]]. Even its soundtrack is complimented by grim and ominous church organ music. Its successor was in general much lighter despite its dark moments because of the changes in all the aforementioned areas. Season Three while still following the second one's elements is edgier than it, due to the absence of the slapstick of the first season and picturesque quality of the second season. In particular, Blackadder is shown to intentionally kill a larger number of people, with a higher proportion of them being undeserving than the previous ones. In fairness, Blackadder Season Three (i.e. Blackadder the Third) is in fact the only one of the four series which doesn't feature an ending where everyone dies. Also from a certain point of view it combines this with DenserAndWackier, with memorable moments of absurd humour like George rising from the dead until he realised he got shot and then falling back dead.The series four which is the darkest and the most tragic one, what with the main characters living permanently under the shadow of death, had a classic case of DownerEnding.

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* ''Series/{{Blackadder}}'' is a very odd example since dark humour is always its main element characteristic and each season's different elements can be darker or more lighthearted depending on the direction. The first season has, thanks to a more cinematic appeal, a grittier, more gothic atmosphere with emphasis on the dung part of the Dungs Ages and the squalor that people are forced to live in. It also has (both because of the budget and a more visual approach) the most brutal onscreen scenes of violence and often blurs the line between black comedy and historical dramedy with [[spoiler: a very morose and sad ending]]. Even its soundtrack is complimented by grim and ominous church organ music. Its successor was in general much lighter despite its dark moments because of the changes in all the aforementioned areas. Season Three while still following the second one's elements direction is edgier than it, due to the absence of the slapstick of the first season and picturesque quality of the second season. In particular, Blackadder is shown to intentionally kill a larger number of people, with a higher proportion of them being undeserving than the previous ones. In fairness, Blackadder Season Three (i.e. Blackadder the Third) is in fact the only one of the four series which doesn't feature an ending where everyone dies. Also from a certain point of view it combines this with DenserAndWackier, with memorable moments of absurd humour like George rising from the dead until he realised he got shot and then falling back dead.The series four which is the darkest and the most tragic one, what with the main characters living permanently under the shadow of death, had a classic case of a DownerEnding.
17th Sep '17 6:54:33 AM Shadowgazer
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* ''{{Series/Gotham}}'': For the [[Franchise/Batman Batman mythos]] as a whole this show is, compared to others, one of its darkest adaptations. Even in-universe to a slight extent, while the show was never lighthearted at all, as the series progressed it became even darker and more violent. Many characters were made into psychopaths and shown as corrupt. In most Batman shows/movies/ comics Jim Gordon is shown as a purely morally flawless character, in Gotham Jim Gordon has been forced to break the law on multiple occasions to get anything done, because of his fighting a losing war against a purely rotten system and the darkness of human nature, and has killed criminals when he realised that they deserved it and that there was no other way to deal with them and gradually became more of an antihero. The show has a bleak depressing tone where even main characters can die and no one is a pure hero. It eventually got to the point where before the third season was over, a since-{{Jossed}} theory stated that the series was set in an alternate universe where [[spoiler:Bruce Wayne becomes the supervillain Owlman]]. That theory alone, even if it was {{Jossed}}, should tell someone not familiar with the series how dark things can get.

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* ''{{Series/Gotham}}'': For the [[Franchise/Batman [[{{Franchise/Batman}} Batman mythos]] as a whole this show is, compared to others, one of its darkest adaptations. Even in-universe to a slight extent, while the show was never lighthearted at all, as the series progressed it became even darker and more violent. Many characters were made into psychopaths and shown as corrupt. In most Batman shows/movies/ comics Jim Gordon is shown as a purely morally flawless character, in Gotham Jim Gordon has been forced to break the law on multiple occasions to get anything done, because of his fighting a losing war against a purely rotten system and the darkness of human nature, and has killed criminals when he realised that they deserved it and that there was no other way to deal with them and gradually became more of an antihero. The show has a bleak depressing tone where even main characters can die and no one is a pure hero. It eventually got to the point where before the third season was over, a since-{{Jossed}} theory stated that the series was set in an alternate universe where [[spoiler:Bruce Wayne becomes the supervillain Owlman]]. That theory alone, even if it was {{Jossed}}, should tell someone not familiar with the series how dark things can get.
17th Sep '17 6:54:09 AM Shadowgazer
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* ''{{Series/Gotham}}'': While the show was never lighthearted, it started out somewhat family friendly, but as the series progressed it became darker and much more violent. Many characters were made into psychopaths and shown as corrupt. In most Batman shows/movies/ comics Jim Gordon is shown as a moral charater, in Gotham Jim Gordon has broken the law on multiple occasions and has killed criminals when he feels like they deserve it. The show has a bleak depressing tone where charaters can die and no one is a hero. It eventually got to the point where before the third season was over, a since-{{Jossed}} theory stated that the series was set in an alternate universe where [[spoiler:Bruce Wayne becomes the supervillain Owlman]]. That theory alone, even if it was {{Jossed}}, should tell someone not familiar with the series how dark things can get.

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* ''{{Series/Gotham}}'': While For the [[Franchise/Batman Batman mythos]] as a whole this show is, compared to others, one of its darkest adaptations. Even in-universe to a slight extent, while the show was never lighthearted, it started out somewhat family friendly, but lighthearted at all, as the series progressed it became even darker and much more violent. Many characters were made into psychopaths and shown as corrupt. In most Batman shows/movies/ comics Jim Gordon is shown as a moral charater, purely morally flawless character, in Gotham Jim Gordon has broken been forced to break the law on multiple occasions to get anything done, because of his fighting a losing war against a purely rotten system and the darkness of human nature, and has killed criminals when he feels like realised that they deserve it. deserved it and that there was no other way to deal with them and gradually became more of an antihero. The show has a bleak depressing tone where charaters even main characters can die and no one is a pure hero. It eventually got to the point where before the third season was over, a since-{{Jossed}} theory stated that the series was set in an alternate universe where [[spoiler:Bruce Wayne becomes the supervillain Owlman]]. That theory alone, even if it was {{Jossed}}, should tell someone not familiar with the series how dark things can get.



* ''Series/{{Blackadder}}'' Season Three. Although the humor was dark to begin with, the third season is edgier due to the absence of the slapstick of the first season and picturesque quality of the second season. In particular, Blackadder is shown to intentionally kill a larger number of people, with a higher proportion of them being undeserving. The series four which is the darkest had a classic case of DownerEnding.
** In fairness, Blackadder Season Three (i.e. Blackadder the Third) is in fact the only one of the four series which doesn't feature an ending where everyone dies. Also from a certain point of view it combines this with DenserAndWackier, with memorable moments of absurd humour like George rising from the dead until he realised he got shot and then falling back dead.

to:

* ''Series/{{Blackadder}}'' is a very odd example since dark humour is always its main element and each season's different elements can be darker or more lighthearted depending on the direction. The first season has, thanks to a more cinematic appeal, a grittier, more gothic atmosphere with emphasis on the dung part of the Dungs Ages and the squalor that people are forced to live in. It also has (both because of the budget and a more visual approach) the most brutal onscreen scenes of violence and often blurs the line between black comedy and historical dramedy with [[spoiler: a very morose and sad ending]]. Even its soundtrack is complimented by grim and ominous church organ music. Its successor was in general much lighter despite its dark moments because of the changes in all the aforementioned areas. Season Three. Although Three while still following the humor was dark to begin with, the third season second one's elements is edgier than it, due to the absence of the slapstick of the first season and picturesque quality of the second season. In particular, Blackadder is shown to intentionally kill a larger number of people, with a higher proportion of them being undeserving. The series four which is undeserving than the darkest had a classic case of DownerEnding.
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previous ones. In fairness, Blackadder Season Three (i.e. Blackadder the Third) is in fact the only one of the four series which doesn't feature an ending where everyone dies. Also from a certain point of view it combines this with DenserAndWackier, with memorable moments of absurd humour like George rising from the dead until he realised he got shot and then falling back dead.The series four which is the darkest and the most tragic one, what with the main characters living permanently under the shadow of death, had a classic case of DownerEnding.
16th Sep '17 8:23:04 PM ryanasaurus0077
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* ''{{Series/Gotham}}'': While the show was never lighthearted, it started out somewhat family friendly, but as the series progressed it became darker and much more violent. Many characters were made into psychopaths and shown as corrupt. In most Batman shows/movies/ comics Jim Gordon is shown as a moral charater, in Gotham Jim Gordon has broken the law on multiple occasions and has killed criminals when he feels like they deserve it. The show has a bleak depressing tone where charaters can die and no one is a hero.

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* ''{{Series/Gotham}}'': While the show was never lighthearted, it started out somewhat family friendly, but as the series progressed it became darker and much more violent. Many characters were made into psychopaths and shown as corrupt. In most Batman shows/movies/ comics Jim Gordon is shown as a moral charater, in Gotham Jim Gordon has broken the law on multiple occasions and has killed criminals when he feels like they deserve it. The show has a bleak depressing tone where charaters can die and no one is a hero. It eventually got to the point where before the third season was over, a since-{{Jossed}} theory stated that the series was set in an alternate universe where [[spoiler:Bruce Wayne becomes the supervillain Owlman]]. That theory alone, even if it was {{Jossed}}, should tell someone not familiar with the series how dark things can get.


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* Creator/KenBurns's ''War Trilogy'' gets progressively darker with each installment. ''The Civil War'', while pretty violent at times, was still light enough to be rated TV-PG. Not so much with ''The War'', a chronicle of UsefulNotes/WorldWarII which includes, among other things, graphic battlefield scenes and the horrors of the concentration camps. Even with all that, ''The Vietnam War'' looks to be the edgiest yet, with ''every last episode'' being rated TV-MA for violence and most installments also set to include an unprecedented amount of foul language for a PBS program. As brutal as World War II was, Vietnam was a lot deadlier, not to mention BloodierAndGorier, and this documentary miniseries proves it; one promo shown with general programming in the months leading up to it even explicitly mentions LudicrousGibs as one soldier, a certain Roger Harris, recalls "putting pieces of 'special' people in bags".
16th Sep '17 5:47:31 PM Lelouchvibritian12
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**''Series/StarTrekDiscovery'' seems to be going the darker ediger route, Star Trek Discovery is the first Star Trek show to receive a TV-MA rating. The fact that the show is airing on a streaming platform is a major departure from every other Star Trek show. The trailers show a darker, more violent Star Trek show. The creators of the show have said on multiple occasions that the show will deal with more mature themes.
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