History DarkIsNotEvil / LiveActionTV

4th Dec '15 6:39:37 AM erforce
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* ''TheMunsters'' are a family of popular Hollywood monsters that act like your average DomCom type family.
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* ''TheMunsters'' ''Series/TheMunsters'' are a family of popular Hollywood monsters that act like your average DomCom type family.

* ''{{Buffyverse}}'':
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* ''{{Buffyverse}}'':''Franchise/{{Buffyverse}}'':

** While ghosts are generally evil, there are exceptions, like [[spoiler:Mary Winchester]] in "Home", the Death Omen Claire Becker in "The Usual Suspects", Molly McNamara from "Roadkill", the ghosts in "Hollywood Babylon" (who ''were'' murderers, but only because they were bound against their will by a human occultist), [[spoiler:Bobby Singer]], and [[spoiler:Kevin Tran]].
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** While ghosts are generally evil, there are exceptions, like [[spoiler:Mary Winchester]] in "Home", the Death Omen Claire Becker in "The Usual Suspects", Molly McNamara [=McNamara=] from "Roadkill", the ghosts in "Hollywood Babylon" (who ''were'' murderers, but only because they were bound against their will by a human occultist), [[spoiler:Bobby Singer]], and [[spoiler:Kevin Tran]].
27th Nov '15 4:33:20 PM nombretomado
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* Played fatally for laughs in this ''[[SaturdayNightLive SNL]]'' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGWoRJO5d0M skit]]. Heaven's commitment to helping prayers is indeed doubtful when the messenger is ChristopherWalken adorned in black.
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* Played fatally for laughs in this ''[[SaturdayNightLive ''[[Series/SaturdayNightLive SNL]]'' [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGWoRJO5d0M skit]]. Heaven's commitment to helping prayers is indeed doubtful when the messenger is ChristopherWalken adorned in black.
10th Nov '15 12:14:57 PM ChaoticNovelist
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tangents. Irrelevant. Thread Mode.
* ''Series/TheAddamsFamily'' comprise of a variety of HorrorTropes, and appear highly sinister, but they hardly ever do anything that could be considered evil. They are, in fact, for the most part perfectly friendly and decent people (probably the healthiest family on TV when it first aired), if more than a bit weird and possessing unquestionably morbid and bizarre tastes.
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* ''Series/TheAddamsFamily'' comprise of a variety of HorrorTropes, and appear highly sinister, but they hardly ever do anything that could be considered evil. They are, in fact, for the most part perfectly friendly and decent people (probably the healthiest family on TV when it first aired), aired, and perhaps the most HappilyMarried too), if more than a bit weird and possessing unquestionably morbid and bizarre tastes.

** ''Film/TheAddamsFamily'' movies did see the odd bit of evil, or at least questionable, actions from the family, mostly from the children. It tended to take the form of IRL trolling or [[DisproportionateRetribution excessively severe punishments meted out on the family's enemies]]. *** Some of the darker gags in the movie (like the family dumping boiling oil on Christmas carolers) are based on the original Creator/CharlesAddams strips rather than the tv show, so any charge of {{Flanderization}} is probably inaccurate. As well, much like the characters in ''WesternAnimation/TheNightmareBeforeChristmas'', they do equally "nasty" things to each other (Wednesday electrocutes her brother for fun, and he seems to enjoy it) and don't seem to suffer any ill effects. Plus, the counselors at the camp really deserved it. ** Not only are the Addams family decent people, but they show an extraordinary amount of hospitality and generosity. Gomez, being the philanthropist that he is, regularly gives away surprisingly large sums of money to benefit the community. They've also been known to donate large sums to charities, something they also did in the first movie. Who could ask for better neighbors? ** Morticia and Gomez were clearly HappilyMarried (although the way they expressed affection towards each other could be... odd at times) and got away with public displays of affection at a time when television couples were universally portrayed as ''[[MoralGuardians sleeping in separate twin beds.]]'' (''Married'' television couples, [[WellIntentionedExtremist that is]].) It tells you something about TheSixties that their most healthy pop culture relationship was the one between a pair of ghouls... *** Speaking of ghouls TheMunsters were allowed to sleep in the same bed together.
10th Nov '15 12:13:54 PM ChaoticNovelist
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doesn't count here. That's Light Is Not Good. The wolf was obsolete.
** First, there is House Stark itself - a family of unshaven, dark-haired frontiersmen from the [[GrimUpNorth bleak, murderous North]] who dress in black pelts and have a snarling BigBadassWolf on black cloth for a sigil... yet they're, unambiguously, the primary protagonists ''and'' heroes of the story, being one of the last families in Westeros that still puts HonourBeforeReason. ** Contrast that with House Lannister. A smaller house from the sunny south of Blondes that dons the much more heroic colour scheme of red and gold and have a lion in their crest would have easily passed as the good guys in any Anglophone HighFantasy story... instead of the dysfunctional, incestuous, backstabbing schemers that they actually are.
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** First, there is House Stark itself - a family of unshaven, dark-haired frontiersmen from the [[GrimUpNorth bleak, murderous North]] who dress in black pelts and have a snarling BigBadassWolf wolf on black cloth for a sigil... yet they're, unambiguously, the primary protagonists ''and'' heroes of the story, being one of the last families in Westeros that still puts HonourBeforeReason. ** Contrast that with House Lannister. A smaller house from the sunny south of Blondes that dons the much more heroic colour scheme of red and gold and have a lion in their crest would have easily passed as the good guys in any Anglophone HighFantasy story... instead of the dysfunctional, incestuous, backstabbing schemers that they actually are. HonourBeforeReason.

** Similarly, ''TheMunsters'' are a family of popular Hollywood monsters that act like your average DomCom type family.
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** Similarly, * ''TheMunsters'' are a family of popular Hollywood monsters that act like your average DomCom type family.
7th Nov '15 2:37:12 PM jeez
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'' [[{{Invoked}} invokes]] the trope even more than its [[Literature/SongOfIceAndFire source material]] already did:
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'' [[{{Invoked}} invokes]] the trope even more than its [[Literature/SongOfIceAndFire [[Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire source material]] already did:

** Melisandre portrays the religion of Light as LightIsGood, but is actually at best a fickle and extremely ambiguous magic force.
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** Melisandre portrays likes to portray the religion of Light as LightIsGood, but is actually at best a fickle and extremely ambiguous magic force.
7th Nov '15 2:36:48 PM jeez
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'' [[{{Invoked}} invokes]] the trope even more than its [[Literature/SongOfIceAndFire source material]] already did: ** First, there is House Stark itself - a family of unshaven, dark-haired frontiersmen from the [[GrimUpNorth bleak, murderous North]] who dress in black pelts and have a snarling BigBadassWolf on black cloth for a sigil... yet they're, unambiguously, the primary protagonists ''and'' heroes of the story, being one of the last families in Westeros that still puts HonourBeforeReason. ** Contrast that with House Lannister. A smaller house from the sunny south of Blondes that dons the much more heroic colour scheme of red and gold and have a lion in their crest would have easily passed as the good guys in any Anglophone HighFantasy story... instead of the dysfunctional, incestuous, backstabbing schemers that they actually are. ** Like in the original, the Night's Watch fits the bill perfectly. Conscripted outlaws, thugs and dishonoured nobles who don black armour don't paint a very friendly image, yet they are a LawfulNeutral force that forms the first line of defence against the ChaoticNeutral and ChaoticEvil powers that lurk beyond the Wall. ** Melisandre portrays the religion of Light as LightIsGood, but is actually at best a fickle and extremely ambiguous magic force.
4th Nov '15 3:45:36 PM EcliptorCalrissian
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**12 is very much a KnightInSourArmor. If you were to meet him, (a) he'd do everything he could to save your butt, and (b) you'd still want to punch him much of the time. "Mummy on the Orient Express" is a prime example of this, as he didn't display the least bit of sympathy when someone was targeted by the mummy (it can only be seen by its target and kills precisely at the 66 second mark) and kept telling him to describe it so that others could be saved, and later lies to manipulate the person he expects its next target to be to get them where he needed them to be. But it turns out that he needed to do that so he could [[spoiler: redirect it to target ''him,'' risking his life on being able to figure out how to stop the creature in 66 seconds or less.]] And he does. As of his second season he's stopped insulting people just for the hell of it, but he still ain't warm and cuddly.
4th Oct '15 4:35:22 PM nombretomado
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* The British show ''Series/BeingHuman'' plays with this, as the main characters are a vampire, a werewolf and a ghost, all of whom just want to do their jobs, go down to the pub and be friends.
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* The British show ''Series/BeingHuman'' ''Series/{{Being Human|UK}}'' plays with this, as the main characters are a vampire, a werewolf and a ghost, all of whom just want to do their jobs, go down to the pub and be friends.
1st Sep '15 2:37:16 PM Sapphirea2
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** The Twelfth Doctor, played by Creator/PeterCapaldi, is a stark contrast to the goofy, light-hearted Doctor Eleven (Creator/MattSmith); Twelve wears [[KubrickStare a stoic, intimidating face]], his brow is constantly furrowed and lends unto his face a perpetually unhappy expression. Gone are the bow-ties and fez hats: Twelve prefers a dark blue BadassLongcoat. His goofy sense of humour has been replaced by a very dry wit. And like Nine, his personality has darkened into TheStoic. Twelve's first Dalek story, "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E2IntoTheDalek Into the Dalek]]", hearkens back to Nine's encounter, with the NotSoDifferent question raised once more. Despite this drastic change, and his own doubts about his nature, Twelve is still fundamentally a good person who cares deeply for the people he considers his friends. It's just a shame that who counts as "his friends" is [[{{Protectorate}} limited only to Clara]] as of the end of Series 8. ** This theme is extended into the video game ''VideoGame/DoctorWhoLegacy'' with regards to PersonalityPowers -- where other Doctors wield fire, electricity, water, or nature-based energies, Nine and Twelve (as well as [[BreakTheCutie Eight]], who doesn't fall under this trope) wield TheSacredDarkness.
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** The Twelfth Doctor, played by Creator/PeterCapaldi, is a stark contrast to the goofy, light-hearted Doctor Eleven (Creator/MattSmith); Eleventh (Creator/MattSmith). Twelve wears has [[KubrickStare a stoic, intimidating face]], his brow is constantly furrowed face]] with a constantly-furrowed, [[BigOlEyebrows bushy brow]] and lends unto his face a perpetually unhappy expression. Gone are the bow-ties and fez hats: Twelve prefers a dark blue BadassLongcoat. His goofy sense of humour has been replaced by a very dry wit. And like Nine, his personality has darkened into TheStoic. Twelve's first Dalek story, "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E2IntoTheDalek Into the Dalek]]", hearkens back to Nine's encounter, with the NotSoDifferent question raised once more. Despite this drastic change, and his own doubts about his nature, Twelve is still fundamentally a good person who and notably remains FriendToAllChildren (though he's more prickly about it), and he still cares deeply for the people he considers his friends. It's just a shame that who counts as "his friends" is [[{{Protectorate}} limited only to Clara]] as of the end of Series 8. ** This theme is extended into the video game ''VideoGame/DoctorWhoLegacy'' with regards to PersonalityPowers -- where other Doctors wield fire, electricity, water, ice/time, or nature-based energies, Nine and Twelve (as well as [[BreakTheCutie Eight]], who doesn't fall under this trope) wield TheSacredDarkness.
25th Aug '15 4:01:06 PM Sapphirea2
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* The Ninth Doctor in ''Series/DoctorWho''. Before him most Doctors wore very colorful outfits and funny hairdos. The Ninth, played by Christopher Eccleston, wore a black leather jacket and had a very short military-style haircut. Despite his dark appearance, he was still as quirky as any other incarnation of the Doctor. He's not exactly ''evil'', but he's definitely [[DarkerAndEdgier much darker than the other incarnations]] [[AntiHero in personality]] as well as appearance. This darker side is most apparent in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS27E6Dalek "Dalek"]], and when this darker side manifests itself, it's almost ''[[NightmareFuel scary]]'':
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* ''Series/DoctorWho'' has [[TheNthDoctor two incarnations of the Doctor]] who qualify for this trope, both from the revival series. ** The Ninth Doctor in ''Series/DoctorWho''. Before him Ninth, played by Christopher Eccleston, wears a black leather jacket and had a very short military-style haircut -- prior to this most Doctors wore very colorful outfits and funny hairdos. The Ninth, played by Christopher Eccleston, wore a black leather jacket and had a very short military-style haircut. Despite his dark appearance, he was he's still as quirky as any other incarnation of the Doctor. He's not exactly ''evil'', but he's definitely [[DarkerAndEdgier much darker than the other incarnations]] [[AntiHero in personality]] as well as appearance. This darker side is most apparent in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS27E6Dalek "Dalek"]], and when this darker side manifests itself, it's almost ''[[NightmareFuel scary]]'':

** Doctor Twelve, played by Creator/PeterCapaldi, is a stark contrast to the goofy, light-hearted Doctor Eleven (Creator/MattSmith); Twelve wears [[KubrickStare a stoic, intimidating face]], his brow is constantly furrowed and lends unto his face a perpetually unhappy expression. Gone are the bow-ties and fez hats: Twelve prefers a dark blue BadassLongcoat. His goofy sense of humour has been replaced by a very dry wit. And like Nine, his personality has darkened into TheStoic. Despite this drastic change, Twelve is still fundamentally a good person and cares deeply for the people he considers his friends. It's just a shame that who counts as "his friends" is [[{{Protectorate}} limited only to Clara]] at this present time.
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** Doctor Twelve, The Twelfth Doctor, played by Creator/PeterCapaldi, is a stark contrast to the goofy, light-hearted Doctor Eleven (Creator/MattSmith); Twelve wears [[KubrickStare a stoic, intimidating face]], his brow is constantly furrowed and lends unto his face a perpetually unhappy expression. Gone are the bow-ties and fez hats: Twelve prefers a dark blue BadassLongcoat. His goofy sense of humour has been replaced by a very dry wit. And like Nine, his personality has darkened into TheStoic. Twelve's first Dalek story, "[[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E2IntoTheDalek Into the Dalek]]", hearkens back to Nine's encounter, with the NotSoDifferent question raised once more. Despite this drastic change, and his own doubts about his nature, Twelve is still fundamentally a good person and who cares deeply for the people he considers his friends. It's just a shame that who counts as "his friends" is [[{{Protectorate}} limited only to Clara]] at as of the end of Series 8. ** This theme is extended into the video game ''VideoGame/DoctorWhoLegacy'' with regards to PersonalityPowers -- where other Doctors wield fire, electricity, water, or nature-based energies, Nine and Twelve (as well as [[BreakTheCutie Eight]], who doesn't fall under this present time.trope) wield TheSacredDarkness.
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