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* Appears as one of the protagonists of the fourth ''VideoGame/GloryOfHeracles'' game.
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Platōn of Athens was a Greek philosopher: the first Western philosopher, in fact, from whom we have complete surviving works. His importance is neatly summed up above. He is also the major source for info about his mentor Creator/{{Socrates}}, of whose life he wrote many {{Real Person Fic}}s. Creator/{{Aristotle}} studied under him.

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Platōn (Πλάτων) of Athens was a Greek philosopher: the first Western philosopher, in fact, from whom we have complete surviving works. His importance is neatly summed up above. He is also the major source for info about his mentor Creator/{{Socrates}}, of whose life he wrote many {{Real Person Fic}}s. Creator/{{Aristotle}} studied under him.
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* CanonDiscontinuity: He would censor all disgusting behavior attributed to gods in ClassicalMythology.

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'''Plato in popular culture'''
* He is mentioned in the "Bruces Song", aka "Philosopher's Song" by Creator/MontyPython, a comedy song featured on ''AudioPlay/TheMontyPythonMatchingTieAndHandkerchief'', the live album ''AudioPlay/MontyPythonLiveAtDruryLane'' and in their ConcertFilm ''Film/MontyPythonLiveAtTheHollywoodBowl''.
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* FairForItsDay: His view that DemocracyIsBad, as noted above.
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* FairForItsDay: His view that DemocracyIsBad, as noted above.
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Platōn was a native of Athens and a Greek philosopher: the first Western philosopher, in fact, from whom we have complete surviving works. His importance is neatly summed up above. He is also the major source for info about his mentor Creator/{{Socrates}}, of whose life he wrote many {{Real Person Fic}}s. Creator/{{Aristotle}} studied under him.

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Platōn was a native of Athens and was a Greek philosopher: the first Western philosopher, in fact, from whom we have complete surviving works. His importance is neatly summed up above. He is also the major source for info about his mentor Creator/{{Socrates}}, of whose life he wrote many {{Real Person Fic}}s. Creator/{{Aristotle}} studied under him.

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Actually, Dicaearchus (the only writer to write about Plato\'s wrestling career) says that Plato competed in the *Isthmian* games. Which is, not the Olympics. Furthermore, pankration and wrestling (pále) were two different disciplines to the Greeks. Citation needed for the claim that Plato was a pankratiast and not a wrestler.


Also, for a fun fact, he was a former Olympic ''[[BloodSport pankration]]'' fighter before becoming a philosopher.

''Literature/ApologyOfSocrates'', ''Literature/TheRepublic'' and ''Literature/{{Symposium}}'' have their own pages.

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Also, for a fun fact, he was a former Olympic ''[[BloodSport pankration]]'' fighter before becoming a philosopher.

''Literature/ApologyOfSocrates'', ''Literature/TheRepublic'' and ''Literature/{{Symposium}}'' have their own pages.
!! Works by Plato on the wiki:
* ''Literature/ApologyOfSocrates''
* ''Literature/TheRepublic''
* ''Literature/{{Symposium}}''




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Wikipedia informs me that the story about his actual name being Aristocles is rather dubious. The first writer to give that info is Diogenes Laertius who lived some 600 years after Plato.


Aristokles of Athens, nicknamed Platōn ("broad") was a Greek philosopher: the first Western philosopher, in fact, from whom we have complete surviving works. His importance is neatly summed up above. He is also the major source for info about his mentor Creator/{{Socrates}}, of whose life he wrote many {{Real Person Fic}}s. Creator/{{Aristotle}} studied under him.

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Aristokles of Athens, nicknamed Platōn ("broad") was a native of Athens and a Greek philosopher: the first Western philosopher, in fact, from whom we have complete surviving works. His importance is neatly summed up above. He is also the major source for info about his mentor Creator/{{Socrates}}, of whose life he wrote many {{Real Person Fic}}s. Creator/{{Aristotle}} studied under him.



Also, for a fun fact, he was a former Olympic ''[[BloodSport pankration]]'' fighter before becoming a philosopher, and Plato was actually his ''nom de guerre''.

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* GeniusBruiser: One of the most important philosophers and a champion of ''pankration'', esentially UsefulNotes/MixedMartialArts only more brutal.
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* GeniusBruiser: One of the most important philosophers and a champion of ''pankration'', esentially UsefulNotes/MixedMartialArts only more brutal.
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We don\'t trope creators, but their works. Also, whether Plato was a \"genius\" is subject to opinion.


* GeniusBruiser: On the bruiser side, he was a two-time [[BloodSport pankration]] champion. On the genius side, he was ''Plato''.
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** This one requires a great deal of explanation. Plato was never against liberty or intellectual/artistic freedom in itself, but he was very aware of the susceptibility of people to be persuaded by irrational appeal. Then and now, many people have been swayed by dictators who talk a good talk and have plenty of artful propaganda behind them. The ability of art and speech to be turned to evil ends is what Plato feared, hence his suspicion of artists and ideas on creating morally-upright stories for the young. Of course, much of what Plato said in his dialogues was not necessarily what he actually advocated, but was part of an extended thought exercise. His ''Republic'' in particular was a dialogue about justice, not a blueprint for a perfect state. To put it more simply, Plato preferred a society in which rational debate and intellectual substance would guide public policy, not hype, appearance and style. Even to this day, many people complain that getting elected has as much to do with making oneself look good and making one's opponents look bad, something Plato would have hated.
*** More to the point, there are many aspects of modern society that would make Plato proud, such as rating systems for movies and television, censorship of certain words on public TV, and fairy tales, which are watered-down versions of older, much harsher and often morally questionable stories.
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* GeniusBruiser: On the bruiser side, he was a two-time [[BloodSport pankration]] champion. On the genius side, he was '''''fucking Plato'''''.
* {{GIFT}}: His allegory of the Ring of Gyges may be the UrExample.
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** Bertrand Russell remarked of Plato's ''Literature/{{Republic}}'': "Although all the rulers are to be philosophers, there are to be no innovations; a philosopher is to be, for all time, a man who understands and agrees with Plato. When we ask: what will Plato's Republic achieve? The answer is rather humdrum. It will achieve success in wars against roughly equal populations, and it will secure a livelihood for a certain small number of people. It will almost certainly produce no art or science, because of its rigidity; in this respect, as in others, it will be like Sparta. In spite of all the fine talk, skill in war and enough to eat is all that will be achieved. Plato had lived through famine and defeat in Athens; perhaps, subconsciously, he thought the avoidance of these evils the best that statesmanship could accomplish."
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** This is averted to a great extent, and yet still present to an extent. Plato criticized all existing forms of governments; all of them were imperfect, none of them were able to deliver what most of the people who lived under them really wanted, and to this day this is still largely true. What Plato advocated for, however, is a system much closer to what we would call a representative form of government, or a Republic, which is a form of indirect democracy. Plato would also have been very appreciative of the modern systems of checks and balances, as well as the modern constitutional forms of government, all of which derive at least in part from his writings.

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** This is averted to a great extent, and yet still present to an extent. Plato also criticized all ''all'' existing forms of governments; all of them were imperfect, none of them were able to deliver what most of the people who lived under them really wanted, and to this day this is still largely true. What Plato advocated for, however, is a system much closer to what we would call a representative form of government, or a Republic, which is a form of indirect democracy. Plato would also have been very appreciative of the modern systems of checks and balances, as well as the modern constitutional forms of government, all of which derive at least in part from his writings.
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Aristokles of Athens, nicknamed Platōn ("broad") was a Greek philosopher: the first Western philosopher, in fact, from whom we have complete surviving works. His importance is neatly summed up above. He is also the major source for info about his mentor {{Socrates}}, of whose life he wrote many {{Real Person Fic}}s. Creator/{{Aristotle}} studied under him.

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Aristokles of Athens, nicknamed Platōn ("broad") was a Greek philosopher: the first Western philosopher, in fact, from whom we have complete surviving works. His importance is neatly summed up above. He is also the major source for info about his mentor {{Socrates}}, Creator/{{Socrates}}, of whose life he wrote many {{Real Person Fic}}s. Creator/{{Aristotle}} studied under him.
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->'''Digory''': It's all in Plato, all in Plato: bless me, what ''do'' they teach them at those schools!
--> -- '''Creator/CSLewis''', ''[[TheChroniclesOfNarnia The Last Battle]]''
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*YesMan: Since the dialogues which Plato wrote are basically just [[AuthorTract author tracts]], Plato has Socrates spout off very extensive lists of premises that are simply immediately accepted by everyone present. Characters can go on for pages only saying, "Yes," "Certainly," "Very true," and "No doubt," while Socrates talks for paragraph after paragraph.
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[[RedDwarf Did not invent the plate.]]
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* SpeechCentricWork: Many of his works, such as ''The Republic'', are presented as dialogues between two characters.
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* DueToTheDead: Socrates jokes about in ''Phaedo'': to bury him, they would have to catch him. They will only bury his body.
-->''Be of good cheer, then, my dear Crito, and say that you are burying my body only, and do with that whatever is usual, and what you think best.''
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** This is averted to a great extent, and yet still present to an extent. Plato criticized all existing forms of governments; all of them were imperfect, none of them were able to deliver what most of the people who lived under them really wanted, and to this day this is still largely true. What Plato advocated for, however, is a system much closer to what we would call a representative form of government, or a Republic, which is a form of indirect democracy. Plato would also have been very appreciative of the modern systems of checks and balances, as well as the modern constitutional forms of government, all of which derive at least in part from his writings.

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** This is averted to a great extent, and yet still present to an extent. Plato criticized all existing forms of governments; all of them were imperfect, none of them were able to deliver what most of the people who lived under them really wanted, and to this day this is still largely true. What Plato advocated for, however, is a system much closer to what we would call a representative form of government, or a Republic, which is a form of indirect democracy. Plato would also have been very appreciative of the modern systems of checks and balances, as well as the modern constitutional forms of government, all of which derive at least in part from his writings.
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--> -- '''[=~C. S. Lewis~=]''', ''[[TheChroniclesOfNarnia The Last Battle]]''

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Aristokles of Athens, nicknamed Platōn ("broad") was a Greek philosopher: the first Western philosopher, in fact, from whom we have complete surviving works. His importance is neatly summed up above. He is also the major source for info about his mentor {{Socrates}}, of whose life he wrote many {{Real Person Fic}}s. {{Aristotle}} studied under him.

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Aristokles of Athens, nicknamed Platōn ("broad") was a Greek philosopher: the first Western philosopher, in fact, from whom we have complete surviving works. His importance is neatly summed up above. He is also the major source for info about his mentor {{Socrates}}, of whose life he wrote many {{Real Person Fic}}s. {{Aristotle}} Creator/{{Aristotle}} studied under him.
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->The safest general characterization of the European philosophical tradition is that it consists of a series of footnotes to Plato.
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->'''Digory''': It's all in Plato, all in Plato: bless me, what ''do'' they teach them at those schools!
--> -- '''[=~C. S. Lewis~=]''', ''[[TheChroniclesOfNarnia The Last Battle]]''

Aristokles of Athens, nicknamed Platōn ("broad") was a Greek philosopher: the first Western philosopher, in fact, from whom we have complete surviving works. His importance is neatly summed up above. He is also the major source for info about his mentor {{Socrates}}, of whose life he wrote many {{Real Person Fic}}s. {{Aristotle}} studied under him.

A central concept of his philosophy was the theory that everything we perceive in reality and every idea we have is an imperfect representation of an ideal, archetypal, unchanging Form, the nature of which can only be understood through reason. The PlatonicCave originated as a metaphor for the relationship between our actual perception and this more fundamental reality and as an [[DepartmentOfRedundancyDepartment illustration of another metaphor, the divided line, itself a simile for our perceptual progression]].

His works contain the UrExample of {{Utopia}} and {{Atlantis}}, and the TropeNamer for PlatonicCave. (And, sadly for many lovesick folk, he was also the trope namer for "Platonic Relationship.")

Also, for a fun fact, he was a former Olympic ''[[BloodSport pankration]]'' fighter before becoming a philosopher, and Plato was actually his ''nom de guerre''.

''Literature/ApologyOfSocrates'', ''Literature/TheRepublic'' and ''Literature/{{Symposium}}'' have their own pages.
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!!Tropes included in the works of Plato:
* BeautyEqualsGoodness: Averted, yet also mildly played straight. To Plato, [[GoodFeelsGood Goodness Equals Goodness]]. That said, he had four names for the "ultimate idea" - "the good", "the one", "the truth", and "the beautiful".
* CanonDiscontinuity: He would censor all disgusting behavior attributed to gods in ClassicalMythology.
* DemocracyIsBad
** It is, however, essential to remember that democracy was very different back then. The power of the Athenian assembly was not restricted by rules or a system of checks and balances. On a moment's whim, a majority of active citizens could decide ''anything'', no matter how stupid and/or immoral (and in fact, stupid decisions taken on the spur of the moment were partly responsible for Athens losing the Peloponnesian War).
** This is averted to a great extent, and yet still present to an extent. Plato criticized all existing forms of governments; all of them were imperfect, none of them were able to deliver what most of the people who lived under them really wanted, and to this day this is still largely true. What Plato advocated for, however, is a system much closer to what we would call a representative form of government, or a Republic, which is a form of indirect democracy. Plato would also have been very appreciative of the modern systems of checks and balances, as well as the modern constitutional forms of government, all of which derive at least in part from his writings.
** Bertrand Russell remarked of Plato's ''Literature/{{Republic}}'': "Although all the rulers are to be philosophers, there are to be no innovations; a philosopher is to be, for all time, a man who understands and agrees with Plato. When we ask: what will Plato's Republic achieve? The answer is rather humdrum. It will achieve success in wars against roughly equal populations, and it will secure a livelihood for a certain small number of people. It will almost certainly produce no art or science, because of its rigidity; in this respect, as in others, it will be like Sparta. In spite of all the fine talk, skill in war and enough to eat is all that will be achieved. Plato had lived through famine and defeat in Athens; perhaps, subconsciously, he thought the avoidance of these evils the best that statesmanship could accomplish."
* DividedWeFall: Averting this trope is one reason for the CanonDiscontinuity.
* GeniusBruiser: A two-time [[BloodSport pankration]] champion.
* {{GIFT}}: His allegory of the Ring of Gyges may be the UrExample.
* GoodFeelsGood
* GoodRepublicEvilEmpire: A common theme in his political writings. Plato considered a government which obeyed the rule of law and followed wisdom to be the best of all states, run by merit and working for the good of all people. By contrast, Plato's description of the evils of tyranny are shocking and prescient.
* HobbesWasRight: He did not approve of direct democracy as it existed in his day, and believed the best form of government to be, essentially, the rule of the most enlightened and wise men of society. Of course, he predated Hobbes by a couple thousand years, and wouldn't have agreed with him on many other things (like the possibility of ''finding'' the wise men of society, to say nothing of their differences in the meaning of the highest good).
** He did, however, prefer the evils of democracy to the evils of tyranny -- which is exactly what you'd get if you [[AllOrNothing screwed up]] the absolute-rule thing.
* LogicBomb: (See the {{Anvilicious}} entry on [[YMMV/{{Plato}} the YMMV page]]) If you could explain it, they would already understand in the first place, but you have to explain it to them so they can learn to understand (it could be argued that as it was meant for his students anyway this was its purpose in the first place).
* MoodWhiplash: Countless instances of 'By Zeus, you're Right, Socrates!... I think.' in his dialogues.
* PlatonicCave: TropeNamer
* ReasonableAuthorityFigure: The Philosopher Ruler/King/Guardians.
* TheTreacheryOfImages
* UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: Played straight in ''Republic'', where Socrates discusses what lies to tell to lower classes, and why and how people should be "removed" if they are a problem. He also expresses an extreme distaste for liberty, free speech, and artistic freedom (see DemocracyIsBad above).
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