History Creator / FriedrichNietzsche

12th Jul '17 7:03:11 AM jormis29
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* ''The Turin Horse'', by Hungarian director Béla Tarr, is actually based in real events witnessed by Nietzsche, such as the titular horse.

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* ''The Turin Horse'', by Hungarian director Béla Tarr, Creator/BelaTarr, is actually based in real events witnessed by Nietzsche, such as the titular horse.
23rd Jun '17 11:48:43 AM CurledUpWithDakka
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** He also seemed to regard Gautama Buddha as one. He liked what he saw in Buddhism as a realist philosophy that actually tries to deal with real-world suffering instead of the vague word "sin" though he did disapprove of the nihilistic aspects, namely reduction of suffering as a means towards non-existence, and disliked its attention towards an otherworldly goal.\\

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** He also seemed to regard Gautama Buddha as one. He liked what he saw in Buddhism as a realist philosophy that actually tries to deal with real-world suffering instead of the vague word "sin" though he did disapprove of the nihilistic aspects, namely reduction of suffering as a means towards non-existence, and disliked its attention towards an otherworldly goal.\\
18th Jun '17 2:02:28 PM nombretomado
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Any discussion of Nietzsche's legacy tends to get really long (look no further than ThatOtherWiki's entries on it), as it wonderfully lends itself to [[EpilepticTrees wild theorizing and rabid interpretation]], so please, please keep this list as brief as possible.

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Any discussion of Nietzsche's legacy tends to get really long (look no further than ThatOtherWiki's Wiki/ThatOtherWiki's entries on it), as it wonderfully lends itself to [[EpilepticTrees wild theorizing and rabid interpretation]], so please, please keep this list as brief as possible.
10th Jun '17 8:52:37 AM HighCrate
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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism: The cynical part is obvious to everyone: he certainly believed that it's a meaningless CrapsackWorld and that SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids. However, he also did manage to strike both extreme sides of the Sliding Scale by also believing that SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers and ''[[UnbuiltTrope deconstructing]]'' ''[[StrawNihilist the character archetype most associated with him]]''. For Nietzsche, nihilists are NotSoDifferent from the "pathetic [[WideEyedIdealist wide-eyed idealists]]" they're constantly debunking and bullying. Sure, the nihilists are smarter and/or more GenreSavvy knowing that it's a CrapsackWorld, but they waste their philosophical intellect on [[FauxlosophicNarration fauxlosophic]] {{wangst}}, death-worship, and being [[JerkAss assholes]] in general, instead of using their intellect to create something new and awesome.

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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism: The cynical part is obvious to everyone: he certainly believed that it's a meaningless CrapsackWorld and that SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids. However, he also did manage to strike both extreme sides of the Sliding Scale by also believing that SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers and ''[[UnbuiltTrope deconstructing]]'' ''[[StrawNihilist the character archetype most associated with him]]''. For Nietzsche, nihilists are NotSoDifferent from the "pathetic [[WideEyedIdealist wide-eyed idealists]]" they're constantly debunking and bullying. Sure, the nihilists are smarter and/or more GenreSavvy knowing that it's a CrapsackWorld, but they waste their philosophical intellect on [[FauxlosophicNarration fauxlosophic]] {{wangst}}, death-worship, and being [[JerkAss assholes]] in general, instead of using their intellect to create something new and awesome.
9th Apr '17 6:43:25 PM nombretomado
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* [[SayonaraZetsubouSensei Arai Chie's]] name is a direct Nietzsche reference...for ''some'' reason. It's possible that it was suppose to foreshadow her personality (you can just feel faint traces of it, sort of) but the author never got around to it being a gag series and all.

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* [[SayonaraZetsubouSensei [[Manga/SayonaraZetsubouSensei Arai Chie's]] name is a direct Nietzsche reference...for ''some'' reason. It's possible that it was suppose to foreshadow her personality (you can just feel faint traces of it, sort of) but the author never got around to it being a gag series and all.
2nd Apr '17 12:48:38 PM DustSnitch
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** Chief among them were Creator/{{Socrates}} and {{Jesus}}. He regarded them both as something of a mixed bag: the former started a trend in Western culture that Nietzsche did not like but on the other hand did have some good ideas; he regarded what he considered to be the original teaching of Christianity (which he understood to be rather like Buddhism) to be excellent for the poor, sheepish masses in a healthy society, but also considered Jesus an "[[WideEyedIdealist idiot]]", and didn't like that Jesus' teaching was so easily [[WordOfSaintPaul twisted by the Apostle Paul and the Catholic Church]] (which he detested).

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** Chief among them were Creator/{{Socrates}} and {{Jesus}}.UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}}. He regarded them both as something of a mixed bag: the former started a trend in Western culture that Nietzsche did not like but on the other hand did have some good ideas; he regarded what he considered to be the original teaching of Christianity (which he understood to be rather like Buddhism) to be excellent for the poor, sheepish masses in a healthy society, but also considered Jesus an "[[WideEyedIdealist idiot]]", and didn't like that Jesus' teaching was so easily [[WordOfSaintPaul twisted by the Apostle Paul and the Catholic Church]] (which he detested).



** {{Jesus}} and Creator/{{Socrates}}. He regarded both as {{Ubermensch}}en who changed the course of history, although he didn't like where they went with it, or even more sharply what other people did with it after they died. On the other hand, in ''The Antichrist'' he described St. Paul as a contemptible StrawNihilist who encouraged ApatheticCitizens and HappinessInSlavery.

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** {{Jesus}} UsefulNotes/{{Jesus}} and Creator/{{Socrates}}. He regarded both as {{Ubermensch}}en who changed the course of history, although he didn't like where they went with it, or even more sharply what other people did with it after they died. On the other hand, in ''The Antichrist'' he described St. Paul as a contemptible StrawNihilist who encouraged ApatheticCitizens and HappinessInSlavery.
16th Mar '17 10:39:27 AM nombretomado
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* In ''TheNamelessMod'', an insane AI running the player through an obstacle course ([[VideoGame/{{Portal}} sounds familiar]]) refers to one room as "The Nietzsche Room" because "it makes you realize" that there is "no god". If the correct alliance and reasons choices are given, Kashue will use HeWhoFightsMonsters in the final level.

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* In ''TheNamelessMod'', ''VideoGame/TheNamelessMod'', an insane AI running the player through an obstacle course ([[VideoGame/{{Portal}} sounds familiar]]) refers to one room as "The Nietzsche Room" because "it makes you realize" that there is "no god". If the correct alliance and reasons choices are given, Kashue will use HeWhoFightsMonsters in the final level.
2nd Mar '17 9:10:14 AM Xtifr
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* WarIsGlorious: Somewhat. As mentioned above he is critical of war in one sense, and especially [[WarForFunAndProfit for how it was used and abused by the state for petty reasons]], but he regards conflict (in a general sense) as the great mover of history and ideas, and the fount of creativity. He also saw war as a way that a broken society might find renewed purpose, though he notes that a healthy society has no need for war. He admires numerous men who were soldiers and conquerors like Creator/JuliusCaesar, Cesare Borgia, UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte and UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat, and frequently invoked war imagery in his writings especially when he was attacking someone (i.e. more often than not). He is strongly opposed to pacifism and after forming TheUbermensch he changed his mind about war, praising it. In one of his discourses, he commented that the Ubermensch would have to be more like Caesar, not Jesus. In his insane period he declared that Germany would fall shortly due to its war-making; he was dead on right. In other words- inconclusive.

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* WarIsGlorious: Somewhat. As mentioned above he is critical of war in one sense, and especially [[WarForFunAndProfit for how it was used and abused by the state for petty reasons]], but he regards conflict (in a general sense) as the great mover of history and ideas, and the fount of creativity. He also saw war as a way that a broken society might find renewed purpose, though he notes that a healthy society has no need for war. He admires numerous men who were soldiers and conquerors like Creator/JuliusCaesar, UsefulNotes/JuliusCaesar, Cesare Borgia, UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte and UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat, and frequently invoked war imagery in his writings especially when he was attacking someone (i.e. more often than not). He is strongly opposed to pacifism and after forming TheUbermensch he changed his mind about war, praising it. In one of his discourses, he commented that the Ubermensch would have to be more like Caesar, not Jesus. In his insane period he declared that Germany would fall shortly due to its war-making; he was dead on right. In other words- inconclusive.
22nd Feb '17 2:03:30 AM Spindriver
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* IronWoobie: Invoked. Nietzsche Was definitely an admirer of people who not only suffered deeply, but took their pains uncomplaining, and even harnessed them to their advantage, in the case of profound art or effective life lessons.
22nd Feb '17 1:59:31 AM Spindriver
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** ''The Wanderer and His Shadow'' (1880): Unusual for Nietzsche, comes the closest to touching on matters of political philosophy, with meditations on armament and war (he doesn't like them, and thinks the first leads to the second), the state (it sucks), and economics (capitalism and socialism both dehumanize people).

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** * ''The Wanderer and His Shadow'' (1880): Unusual for Nietzsche, comes the closest to touching on matters of political philosophy, with meditations on armament and war (he doesn't like them, and thinks the first leads to the second), the state (it sucks), and economics (capitalism and socialism both dehumanize people).



** Before Socrates, the proper way to prevail in any enterprise is to just *do* things. After Socrates, the proper way to win was to *talk* (or more accurately, argue and {{wangst}}) about doing things. Once [[NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering arguing, bickering and lawyering]] become the way business is done, [[FlameWar bad arguments become unavoidable, and equally bad arguments tend to arise from opponents]]. This shift was profound and, in Nietzsche's mind, devastating.

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** Before Socrates, the proper way to prevail in any enterprise is to just *do* '''do''' things. After Socrates, the proper way to win was to *talk* '''talk''' (or more accurately, argue and {{wangst}}) about doing things. Once [[NotSoOmniscientCouncilOfBickering arguing, bickering and lawyering]] become the way business is done, [[FlameWar bad arguments become unavoidable, and equally bad arguments tend to arise from opponents]]. This shift was profound and, in Nietzsche's mind, devastating.



* IronWoobie: Definitely an admirer of people who not only suffered deeply, but took their pains uncomplaining, and even harnessed them to their advantage, in the case of profound art or effective life lessons.
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