History Creator / FriedrichNietzsche

10th Sep '16 7:43:45 PM MasterofGalaxies4628
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* BlueAndOrangeMorality: To put it simply, Nietsche's values system replaced "good" by "what creates new things" and "evil" by "that which stagnates".

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* BlueAndOrangeMorality: To put it simply, Nietsche's Nietzsche's values system replaced "good" by "what with "that which creates new things" and "evil" by with "that which stagnates".



* CosmicHorrorStory: He certainly believed that the scientific Enlightenment had revealed that the universe has no morality as humans know it and never cared about us at all, while we're all PunyEarthlings going to suffer and die and [[YouCantFightFate there is nothing you can do about it]]. Hence the misconception about him as a StrawNihilist. However, contrary to Lovecraft's apocalyptic narratives, he plays this trope rather positively; this does not mean you should degenerate into a beastial Hedonist. On the contrary, life in a CosmicHorrorStory universe means the freedom to [[TheAntiNihilist improve yourself and be creative]] (although his conceptions of [[BlueAndOrangeMorality self-improvement might be strange]]). He hated Plato for making humans weak and dependent on hypothetical Cosmic Entities for decision making, and encouraging the concept that only through [[BigBrotherIsWatching a totalitarian God]] can [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters humans have any semblance of cultured behavior]] (for example, Plato argued in his Ring of Gyges tale that [[InvisibleJerkass invisibility makes you evil]]), meaning that Platonic philosophy (which eventually became Christianity) is responsible for humanity's degeneration into bestial ApatheticCitizens once they find out that the cosmos-at-large does not adhere to morality.
* CulturedBadass: The Übermensch, his "artist-tyrant" ideal of human character, inspired by the Ancient Greek hero. "Tyrant" to be taken into the ancient Greek meaning of the word, as in "leader" rather than "despot".
* DareToBeBadass: In a nutshell this is his philosophy.

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* CosmicHorrorStory: He certainly believed that the scientific Enlightenment had revealed that the universe has no morality as humans know it and never cared about us at all, while we're all PunyEarthlings going to suffer and die and [[YouCantFightFate there is nothing you can do about it]]. Hence the misconception about him as a StrawNihilist. However, contrary to Lovecraft's apocalyptic narratives, he plays this trope rather positively; this positively: This does not mean you should degenerate into a beastial Hedonist. On bestial Hedonist; on the contrary, life in a CosmicHorrorStory universe means the freedom to [[TheAntiNihilist improve yourself and be creative]] (although his conceptions of [[BlueAndOrangeMorality self-improvement might be strange]]). He hated Plato for making humans weak and dependent on hypothetical Cosmic Entities for decision making, and encouraging the concept that only through [[BigBrotherIsWatching a totalitarian God]] can [[HumansAreTheRealMonsters humans have any semblance of cultured behavior]] (for example, Plato argued in his Ring of Gyges tale that [[InvisibleJerkass invisibility makes you evil]]), meaning that Platonic philosophy (which eventually became Christianity) is responsible for humanity's degeneration into bestial ApatheticCitizens once they find out that the cosmos-at-large does not adhere to morality.
* CulturedBadass: The Übermensch, {{Ubermensch}}, his "artist-tyrant" ideal of human character, inspired by the Ancient Greek hero. "Tyrant" to be taken into the ancient Greek meaning of the word, as in "leader" rather than "despot".
* DareToBeBadass: In a nutshell nutshell, this is his philosophy.



* DarkMessiah/MessianicArchetype: The Übermensch again. Considering Jesus is, by WordOfGod, an Übermensch...

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* DarkMessiah/MessianicArchetype: DarkMessiah[=/=]MessianicArchetype: The Übermensch again. Considering Jesus is, by WordOfGod, an Übermensch...



* GodIsDead: {{Trope Codifier}}, describing the downfall of religious authority, replaced by dedication to political parties. The TV Tropes article, of course, skips over the symbolism and takes the phrase more literally.

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* GodIsDead: {{Trope Codifier}}, The TropeCodifier, describing the downfall of religious authority, replaced by dedication to political parties. The TV Tropes article, Our trope, of course, skips over the symbolism and takes the phrase [[LiteralMinded more literally.literally]].



* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism: The cynical part is obvious to everyone: he certainly believed that it's a meaningless CrapsackWorld and that SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids. However, he also did manage to strike both extreme sides of the Sliding Scale by also believing that SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers and ''[[UnbuiltTrope deconstructing]]'' ''[[StrawNihilist the character archetype most associated with him]]''. For Nietzsche, nihilists are NotSoDifferent from the "pathetic [[WideEyedIdealist wide-eyed idealists]]" they're constantly debunking and bullying. Sure the nihilists are smarter and/or more GenreSavvy knowing that it's a CrapsackWorld, but they waste their philosophical intellect on [[FauxlosophicNarration fauxlosophic]] {{wangst}}, death-worship and being [[JerkAss assholes]] in general, instead of using their intellect to create something new and awesome.
* SocialDarwinist

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* SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism: The cynical part is obvious to everyone: he certainly believed that it's a meaningless CrapsackWorld and that SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids. However, he also did manage to strike both extreme sides of the Sliding Scale by also believing that SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers and ''[[UnbuiltTrope deconstructing]]'' ''[[StrawNihilist the character archetype most associated with him]]''. For Nietzsche, nihilists are NotSoDifferent from the "pathetic [[WideEyedIdealist wide-eyed idealists]]" they're constantly debunking and bullying. Sure Sure, the nihilists are smarter and/or more GenreSavvy knowing that it's a CrapsackWorld, but they waste their philosophical intellect on [[FauxlosophicNarration fauxlosophic]] {{wangst}}, death-worship death-worship, and being [[JerkAss assholes]] in general, instead of using their intellect to create something new and awesome.
* SocialDarwinistTheSocialDarwinist:



** While he can be excused as going insane, he almost went overboard and took a stance to KillThePoor when he wrote ''The Antichrist''.\\
[-''The weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity. And one should help them to it.''-]

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** While he can be excused as going insane, he almost went overboard and took a stance to KillThePoor when he wrote ''The Antichrist''.\\
[-''The
Antichrist''.
-->''"The
weak and the botched shall perish: first principle of our charity. And one should help them to it.''-]"''



* StrawNihilist: The most common ThemeParkVersion of his philosophy, to the point where the trope was originally named "Nietzsche Wannabe". '''Nothing could be further from the truth : Nietzsche is NOT a nihilist''' and hated nihilists with a passion.

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* StrawNihilist: The most common ThemeParkVersion of his philosophy, to the point where the trope was [[Administrivia/RenamedTropes originally named "Nietzsche Wannabe". Wannabe"]]. '''Nothing could be further from the truth : truth: Nietzsche is NOT ''not'' a nihilist''' and hated nihilists with a passion.



* TheUbermensch: While this character was originally his idea (and it's actually even more complex than what could be described in that trope page), it's subverted because Nietzsche never considered himself as this, even considering himself to be more of the Last Man, because in his original works the Ubermensch is supposed to be "healthy" and his sickliness rendered him incapable of doing anything truly Ubermensch-related. He did not even bother defining this character archetype well, thus the flame wars here on the internet and in the academic world.

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* TheUbermensch: {{Ubermensch}}: While this character was originally his idea (and it's actually even more complex than what could be described in that trope page), it's subverted because Nietzsche never considered himself as this, even considering himself to be more of the Last Man, because in his original works the Ubermensch is supposed to be "healthy" and his sickliness rendered him incapable of doing anything truly Ubermensch-related. He did not even bother defining this character archetype well, thus the flame wars here on the internet and in the academic world.
2nd Sep '16 1:47:38 PM Morgenthaler
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* TemptingFate: In ''Ecce Homo'', Nietzsche wrote about his fear that he would be [[MisaimedFandom pronounced holy by future readers]], therefore he wanted to publish the book before anyone would make the mistake. Due to his mental breakdown, his book was published years after his death. You can guess what happened on the day of his funeral, [[ImperialGermany and]] [[ThoseWackyNazis after]].

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* TemptingFate: In ''Ecce Homo'', Nietzsche wrote about his fear that he would be [[MisaimedFandom pronounced holy by future readers]], therefore he wanted to publish the book before anyone would make the mistake. Due to his mental breakdown, his book was published years after his death. You can guess what happened on the day of his funeral, [[ImperialGermany [[UsefulNotes/ImperialGermany and]] [[ThoseWackyNazis after]].
31st Aug '16 8:33:34 AM 06tele
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* InsistentTerminology: Sort of. As he gradually grew disillusioned of German culture, he started emphasizing his descent from Polish nobility; by the end of his (sane) life, he insisted that he was entirely Polish.

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* InsistentTerminology: Sort of. As he gradually grew disillusioned of German culture, he started emphasizing his (imagined) descent from Polish nobility; by the end of his (sane) life, he insisted that he was entirely Polish.
15th Aug '16 12:11:08 PM eroock
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'''Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche''' was [[UsefulNotes/DichterAndDenker an eccentric German author who wrote lots of books,]] laden with extremely provocative and controversial ideas for his time (some of which are ''still controversial'' to this day), and they made him famous. Nowadays, he is often placed among the most influential philosophers of all time. It didn't end well for him back in his day, though, as he went nuts and soon died in his fifties.

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'''Friedrich Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche''' Nietzsche was [[UsefulNotes/DichterAndDenker an eccentric German author who wrote lots of books,]] laden with extremely provocative and controversial ideas for his time (some of which are ''still controversial'' to this day), and they made him famous. Nowadays, he is often placed among the most influential philosophers of all time. It didn't end well for him back in his day, though, as he went nuts and soon died in his fifties.
15th Aug '16 12:10:34 PM eroock
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-->--'''Friedrich Nietzsche,''' ''The [[HaveAGayOldTime Gay]] Science,'' Aphorism 125 ("The Madman"), 1882 [[note]] Fun fact: The quote "God is dead" already appears in a text of G.W.F. Hegel from 1802. [[/note]]

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-->--'''Friedrich -->-- '''Friedrich Nietzsche,''' ''The [[HaveAGayOldTime Gay]] Science,'' Aphorism 125 ("The Madman"), 1882 [[note]] Fun fact: The quote "God is dead" already appears in a text of G.W.F. Hegel from 1802. [[/note]]
10th Aug '16 12:26:34 PM KamenRiderOokalf
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* Rare non-symbolic reference to Nietzsche in ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'', where one of [[TheBeastmaster Caro's]] [[OurDragonsAreDifferent dragons]] is named Friedrich as part of their ThemeNaming. Her other dragon is named [[Creator/FrancoisMarieArouet Voltaire]].

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* Rare non-symbolic reference to Nietzsche in ''MagicalGirlLyricalNanoha'', ''Anime/MagicalGirlLyricalNanohaStrikers'', where one of [[TheBeastmaster Caro's]] [[OurDragonsAreDifferent dragons]] is named Friedrich as part of their ThemeNaming. Her other dragon is named [[Creator/FrancoisMarieArouet Voltaire]].
10th Jul '16 10:11:40 AM FearlessSon
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'''Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche''' was [[DichterAndDenker an eccentric German author who wrote lots of books,]] laden with extremely provocative and controversial ideas for his time (some of which are ''still controversial'' to this day), and they made him famous. Nowadays, he is often placed among the most influential philosophers of all time. It didn't end well for him back in his day, though, as he went nuts and soon died in his fifties.

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'''Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche''' was [[DichterAndDenker [[UsefulNotes/DichterAndDenker an eccentric German author who wrote lots of books,]] laden with extremely provocative and controversial ideas for his time (some of which are ''still controversial'' to this day), and they made him famous. Nowadays, he is often placed among the most influential philosophers of all time. It didn't end well for him back in his day, though, as he went nuts and soon died in his fifties.
25th Jun '16 9:05:21 PM nombretomado
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* The original ''BaldursGate'' opens with the "HeWhoFightsMonsters" quote, hinting at [[spoiler:the dangers of Bhaal's legacy (probably)]].

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* The original ''BaldursGate'' ''VideoGame/BaldursGate'' opens with the "HeWhoFightsMonsters" quote, hinting at [[spoiler:the dangers of Bhaal's legacy (probably)]].
25th Jun '16 12:34:11 AM Eagal
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* BeYourself[=/=]DesperatelyLookingForAPurposeInLife: A major theme in his philosophy.

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* BeYourself[=/=]DesperatelyLookingForAPurposeInLife: BeYourself: A major theme in his philosophy.



* BerserkButton: Yeah, don't insult the Jews around Nietzsche. Despite what his [[MisaimedFandom Misaimed]] FanDumb would have you believe ([[ThoseWackyNazis and there]] [[StrawNihilist are many]]) he'd rip German anti-Semites apart if they neglected the contributions of Jewish culture and philosophy to Europe. [[ProudScholarRaceGuy Well, rip them apart rhetorically anyway.]]

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* BerserkButton: Yeah, don't insult the Jews around Nietzsche. Despite what his [[MisaimedFandom Misaimed]] FanDumb MisaimedFandom would have you believe ([[ThoseWackyNazis and there]] [[StrawNihilist are many]]) he'd rip German anti-Semites apart if they neglected the contributions of Jewish culture and philosophy to Europe. [[ProudScholarRaceGuy Well, rip them apart rhetorically anyway.]]



* TheFatalist[=/=]YouCantFightFate: His preaching of ''amor fati'' is one of the major reasons why he is bashed as a nihilist. Ordinary people psychologically react to a fatalistic life (such as inevitable suffering) by perceiving it as a CosmicHorrorStory, hence causing [[DespairEventHorizon depre]][[DrivenToSuicide ssion]], [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy apa]][[TheHedonist thy]] and/or [[OmnicidalManiac rage]]. However, those extraordinary few should [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers reject this suicidal perception]], instead both accepting this fatalistic outlook, loving it and living it [[WorldOfHam as if it was an art form]] (hence a possible wordplay on "Übermensch"). His thought experiment on EternalRecurrence boils down to how confident people with strong enough willpower can accept the challenge of life over and over again, fully appreciating this AndIMustScream existence and making it joyfully worthwhile without any regrets. This also comes hand-in-hand with appreciating the Ancient Greeks' view on a fatalistic life (e.g., expressing it in the art form of Tragedy, which in contrast to our modern view of Tragedy as a DespairEventHorizon, was appreciated by Greeks as something very much like an EarnYourHappyEnding story. See also Aristotle's concept of CatharsisFactor).

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* TheFatalist[=/=]YouCantFightFate: TheFatalist: His preaching of ''amor fati'' is one of the major reasons why he is bashed as a nihilist. Ordinary people psychologically react to a fatalistic life (such as inevitable suffering) by perceiving it as a CosmicHorrorStory, hence causing [[DespairEventHorizon depre]][[DrivenToSuicide ssion]], [[DarknessInducedAudienceApathy apa]][[TheHedonist thy]] and/or [[OmnicidalManiac rage]]. However, those extraordinary few should [[SillyRabbitCynicismIsForLosers reject this suicidal perception]], instead both accepting this fatalistic outlook, loving it and living it [[WorldOfHam as if it was an art form]] (hence a possible wordplay on "Übermensch"). His thought experiment on EternalRecurrence boils down to how confident people with strong enough willpower can accept the challenge of life over and over again, fully appreciating this AndIMustScream existence and making it joyfully worthwhile without any regrets. This also comes hand-in-hand with appreciating the Ancient Greeks' view on a fatalistic life (e.g., expressing it in the art form of Tragedy, which in contrast to our modern view of Tragedy as a DespairEventHorizon, was appreciated by Greeks as something very much like an EarnYourHappyEnding story. See also Aristotle's concept of CatharsisFactor).



* InTheStyleOf: Some of his works were deliberately written in Biblical style, possibly for additional irony. ''Thus Spoke Zarathustra'' is a particularly good example.



* {{Retraux}}[=/=]InTheStyleOf: Some of his works were deliberately written in Biblical style, possibly for additional irony. ''Thus Spoke Zarathustra'' is a particularly good example.
* {{Romanticism}}[=/=]ScienceIsBad: Not exactly. While his poetic, hammy and caustic criticism of modernity heavily influenced Postmodernism, he did understand the importance of modern science, and the unquestionable truth of its discoveries, and definitely approved of its methods as superior to religious or philosophical ones for investigation of reality. However, [[RomanticismVersusEnlightenment he regarded scientists' and the Enlightenment's relentless obsession for objective truth-and in particular, the extension of the scientific method to the study of human beings, e.g. modern psychology, behaviorism and neuroscience-as a dangerous development that makes humans dependent on what science simply tells them, and obscures important elements of the human condition that cannot be quantified such as individuality]], that which will eventually lead to a {{Dystopia}}n future. A possible interpretation of his most famous phrase "GodIsDead, and we have killed him"; our science essentially killed the relevance of metaphysics, theology, ethics, philosophy and such in the modern world, replacing them instead with technology's materialistic BreadAndCircuses.

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* {{Retraux}}[=/=]InTheStyleOf: Some of his works were deliberately written in Biblical style, possibly for additional irony. ''Thus Spoke Zarathustra'' is a particularly good example.
* {{Romanticism}}[=/=]ScienceIsBad:
{{Romanticism}}: Not exactly. While his poetic, hammy and caustic criticism of modernity heavily influenced Postmodernism, he did understand the importance of modern science, and the unquestionable truth of its discoveries, and definitely approved of its methods as superior to religious or philosophical ones for investigation of reality. However, [[RomanticismVersusEnlightenment he regarded scientists' and the Enlightenment's relentless obsession for objective truth-and in particular, the extension of the scientific method to the study of human beings, e.g. modern psychology, behaviorism and neuroscience-as a dangerous development that makes humans dependent on what science simply tells them, and obscures important elements of the human condition that cannot be quantified such as individuality]], that which will eventually lead to a {{Dystopia}}n future. A possible interpretation of his most famous phrase "GodIsDead, and we have killed him"; our science essentially killed the relevance of metaphysics, theology, ethics, philosophy and such in the modern world, replacing them instead with technology's materialistic BreadAndCircuses.



* SocialDarwinist[=/=]MightMakesRight: Whenever the terms "Übermensch," "Will-To-Power," "Master-slave morality," Nietzsche's rejection of egalitarianism/democracy and such comes up, distinctions between Nietzsche and Social Darwinism are severely blurred, hence Nietzsche's frequent misassociation with notable Social Darwinists like ThoseWackyNazis and radical {{transhuman}}ists. Note that Nietzsche wasn't really that much of a ''social'' Darwinist; his philosophy is rather different.

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* SocialDarwinist[=/=]MightMakesRight: SocialDarwinist
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Whenever the terms "Übermensch," "Will-To-Power," "Master-slave morality," Nietzsche's rejection of egalitarianism/democracy and such comes up, distinctions between Nietzsche and Social Darwinism are severely blurred, hence Nietzsche's frequent misassociation with notable Social Darwinists like ThoseWackyNazis and radical {{transhuman}}ists. Note that Nietzsche wasn't really that much of a ''social'' Darwinist; his philosophy is rather different.



*** He believed that it would favor the lowest but most fertile elements of humanity (e.g. [[Film/{{Idiocracy}} retards]] and rapists) because of the lower fertility rates of intellectuals. Hence why DemocracyIsBad. Nietzsche's will-to-power system is more comparable to [[LamarckWasRight Lamarckian evolution]] which makes personal learned ability and skills, rather than [[ZergRush sheer quantity of genes]] and {{explosive breed|er}}ing as with Darwin, the center of evolutionary progress.

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*** ** He believed that it would favor the lowest but most fertile elements of humanity (e.g. [[Film/{{Idiocracy}} retards]] and rapists) because of the lower fertility rates of intellectuals. Hence why DemocracyIsBad. Nietzsche's will-to-power system is more comparable to [[LamarckWasRight Lamarckian evolution]] which makes personal learned ability and skills, rather than [[ZergRush sheer quantity of genes]] and {{explosive breed|er}}ing as with Darwin, the center of evolutionary progress.



* TemptingFate[=/=]WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong: In ''Ecce Homo'', Nietzsche wrote about his fear that he would be [[MisaimedFandom pronounced holy by future readers]], therefore he wanted to publish the book before anyone would make the mistake. Due to his mental breakdown, his book was published years after his death. You can guess what happened on the day of his funeral, [[ImperialGermany and]] [[ThoseWackyNazis after]].
* TheThemeParkVersion: [[StrawNihilist Sadly very common]].

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* TemptingFate[=/=]WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong: TemptingFate: In ''Ecce Homo'', Nietzsche wrote about his fear that he would be [[MisaimedFandom pronounced holy by future readers]], therefore he wanted to publish the book before anyone would make the mistake. Due to his mental breakdown, his book was published years after his death. You can guess what happened on the day of his funeral, [[ImperialGermany and]] [[ThoseWackyNazis after]].
* TheThemeParkVersion: [[StrawNihilist Sadly very common]].%%* TheThemeParkVersion



* WorthyOpponent: {{Jesus}} and Creator/{{Socrates}}. He regarded both as {{Ubermensch}}en who changed the course of history, although he didn't like where they went with it, or even more sharply what other people did with it after they died. On the other hand, in ''The Antichrist'' he described St. Paul as a contemptible StrawNihilist who encouraged ApatheticCitizens and HappinessInSlavery.

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* WorthyOpponent: WorthyOpponent:
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{{Jesus}} and Creator/{{Socrates}}. He regarded both as {{Ubermensch}}en who changed the course of history, although he didn't like where they went with it, or even more sharply what other people did with it after they died. On the other hand, in ''The Antichrist'' he described St. Paul as a contemptible StrawNihilist who encouraged ApatheticCitizens and HappinessInSlavery.
13th Apr '16 5:21:59 PM 04tele
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* In ''Film/TheDoors'', Jim Morrison's incoherent student film ends with Jim strolling across a rooftop reading out random bits from ''The Portable Nietzsche''. The professor, played by the movie's actual director Creator/OliverStone, delivers the ArmorPiercingResponse "Pretty pretentious, Jim," which annoys Morrison so much that he quits college, goes to sit on a beach and is subsequently invited by a duly impressed Ray Manzarek to form a band.
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