History ConservationOfNinjutsu / AnimeAndManga

16th May '18 1:00:33 AM osh
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** The reverse also holds true, where the inclusion of *all* the hero characters instead of only a few in a standard episode rarely has a bigger effect on the outcome of a fight than the episode's time constraints. Ironically, [[PrettyGuardianSailorMoon The live action version]] ends up accidentally subverting this; the busy schedules of the actresses meant many fights only involved two or three of the girls at a time. Full team assaults were generally filmed for important villains, creating the implication that as a full assembled team could handle most things easily.
13th Apr '18 10:46:42 PM MillaMaxwell
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** It should be noted that while this trope is eventually justified for Rinka, other characters don't share this luxury. [[spoiler: When dozens of trained ARES PMSC soldiers storm Kozuki and Minami's hideout, Minami is immediately overwhelmed, and Kozuki only barely escapes due to some clever trickery and forethought. Even so, by the time we see those two again, Kozuki is on her last legs, and nearly gets killed by one of the soldiers, only surviving nearly on pure luck due to the man not knowing she can teleport in firearms. Even after that, she's easily swarmed by the other soldiers and would have died than and there had Zeusu not shown up.]]

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** It should be noted that while this trope is eventually justified for Rinka, other characters don't share this luxury. [[spoiler: When dozens of trained ARES PMSC soldiers storm Kozuki and Minami's hideout, Minami is immediately overwhelmed, and Kozuki only barely escapes due to some clever trickery and forethought. Even so, by the time we see those two again, Kozuki is on her last legs, and nearly gets killed by one of the soldiers, only surviving nearly on pure luck due to the man not knowing she can teleport in firearms. Even after that, she's easily swarmed by the other soldiers and would have died than then and there had Zeusu not shown up.]]
13th Apr '18 10:10:50 PM MillaMaxwell
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* This trope is first subverted and then justified in ''Manga/TokyoESP''. Early on, multiple opponents bumrushing Rinka is usually a sound strategy; she only won her first fight with a group of people because they lacked ESP and weren't expecting her to show up. Every other time following that up to a point she usually gets her ass handed to her. [[spoiler: This is in fact [[TheHeroDies what ends up killing her at one point,]] because she goes up against three powerful ESPers who, while not on her level in a straight fight, are more than a match for her in a three-on-one, with additional help from a bunch of mind-controlled students.]] [[JustifiedTrope However, as mentioned, this is eventually played straight with a pretty good justification.]] [[spoiler: While Rinka is a great martial artist, it took Yoda teaching her a trick for her to realize she can easily abuse Conservation of Ninjutsu; tactically retreat to force group fights into one-on-one fights, where Rinka naturally dominates with her 15+ years of martial arts training. This ends up working so well [[FamedInStory that most opponents learn to either fear or admire her,]] and by the end of the manga, even ''entire squadrons of trained ESPers'' can't take her in a fair fight.]]

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* This trope is first subverted and then justified in ''Manga/TokyoESP''. Early on, multiple opponents bumrushing Rinka is usually a sound strategy; she only won her first fight with a group of people because they lacked ESP and weren't expecting her to show up. Every other time following that up to a point she usually gets her ass handed to her. [[spoiler: This is in fact [[TheHeroDies what ends up killing her at one point,]] because she goes up against three powerful ESPers Espers who, while not on her level in a straight fight, are more than a match for her in a three-on-one, with additional help from a bunch of mind-controlled students.]] [[JustifiedTrope However, as mentioned, this is eventually played straight with a pretty good justification.]] [[spoiler: While Rinka is a great martial artist, it took Yoda teaching her a trick for her to realize she can easily abuse Conservation of Ninjutsu; tactically retreat to force group fights into one-on-one fights, where Rinka naturally dominates with her 15+ years of martial arts training. This ends up working so well [[FamedInStory that most opponents learn to either fear or admire her,]] and by the end of the manga, even ''entire squadrons of trained ESPers'' Espers'' can't take her in a fair fight.]]
13th Apr '18 10:07:06 PM MillaMaxwell
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* This trope is first subverted and then justified in ''Manga/TokyoESP''. Early on, multiple opponents bumrushing Rinka is usually a sound strategy; she only won her first fight with a group of people because they lacked ESP and weren't expecting her to show up. Every other time following that up to a point she usually gets her ass handed to her. [[spoiler: This is in fact [[TheHeroDies what ends up killing her at one point,]] because she goes up against three powerful ESPers who, while not on her level in a straight fight, are more than a match for her in a three-on-one, with additional help from a bunch of mind-controlled students.]] [[JustifiedTrope However, as mentioned, this is eventually played straight with a pretty good justification.]] [[spoiler: While Rinka is a great martial artist, it took Yoda teaching her a trick for her to realize she can easily abuse Conservation of Ninjutsu; tactically retreat to force group fights into one-on-one fights, where Rinka naturally dominates with her 15+ years of martial arts training. This ends up working so well [[FamedInStory that most opponents learn to either fear or admire her,]] and by the end of the manga, even ''entire squadrons of trained ESPers'' can't take her in a fair fight.]]
** It should be noted that while this trope is eventually justified for Rinka, other characters don't share this luxury. [[spoiler: When dozens of trained ARES PMSC soldiers storm Kozuki and Minami's hideout, Minami is immediately overwhelmed, and Kozuki only barely escapes due to some clever trickery and forethought. Even so, by the time we see those two again, Kozuki is on her last legs, and nearly gets killed by one of the soldiers, only surviving nearly on pure luck due to the man not knowing she can teleport in firearms. Even after that, she's easily swarmed by the other soldiers and would have died than and there had Zeusu not shown up.]]
24th Oct '17 1:49:00 PM Necal
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** The larger Fate/ universe applies this to magecraft. Most magecraft systems draw from a power source specific to the system, so when many draw from it the overall effects are weakened and getting around that becomes an important skill. For instance, the Holy Church maintains an organization of demon hunters numbering a total of eight (one of whom is kept in reserve). Though they have a high turn over, their low numbers mean that the source of their power is concentrated enough to effectively match (or even exceed) the Mage's Association, who have sufficient numbers to maintain a nearly sustainable population complete with eugenics programs.
30th Sep '17 2:29:09 PM HighfalutinEaglet
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** Akatsuki has apparently gotten wise to this; [[OddlySmallOrganization they only work]] [[EvilDuo in two man teams]]. To give you an idea of how effective this is, each team is usually on equal standing with an ARMY.

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** Akatsuki has apparently gotten wise to this; [[OddlySmallOrganization they only work]] [[EvilDuo in two man teams]]. To give you an idea of how effective this is, each team is usually on equal standing with an ARMY. An army of NINJA.
24th Sep '17 7:48:26 AM SpinAttaxx
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* ''Manga/{{Dragonball}}'' is a frequent offender, especially in plots involving the Red Ribbon Army or Frieza's men, but the most blatant usage is in the Bardock TV Special. As he races to attack Frieza in the climax, he has to fly through an army of {{mooks}}, which cause him so little trouble that, in some cases, they look like they're splattering on his face.

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* ''Manga/{{Dragonball}}'' ''Franchise/DragonBall'' is a frequent offender, especially in plots involving the Red Ribbon Army or Frieza's men, empire, but the most blatant usage is in the Bardock TV Special. As he races to attack Frieza in the climax, he has to fly through an army of {{mooks}}, which cause him so little trouble that, in some cases, they look like they're splattering on his face.


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** In ''Anime/DragonBallSuper''[='=]s Universe Survival arc, Universe 11 ends up being left with the lowest number of fighters still in play during the Tournament of Power at three, in contrast to Universes 6 and 7 having the highest. Those three fighters, though, are among the strongest and most dangerous in the entire tournament.
23rd Apr '17 9:44:02 AM Megadoomer
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** This is averted in the Alvarez Empire arc, where most of [[QuirkyMiniBossSquad the Spriggan Twelve]] are too powerful for any one hero to beat on their own, requiring many of the villains to be beaten by two or three people working together.
5th Apr '17 12:40:26 PM lillolillo
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* ''Manga/GetterRobo Armageddon''. On one end, an entire army of Anime/GetterRoboG, the second of the Getter Robo line. On the other, a singular classic Getter Robo, piloted by Ryouma Nagare. Ryouma owns them easily.

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* ''Manga/GetterRobo Armageddon''. On one end, an entire army of Anime/GetterRoboG, Getter Robo G, the second of the Getter Robo line. On the other, a singular classic Getter Robo, piloted by Ryouma Nagare. Ryouma owns them easily.
27th Mar '17 2:07:15 AM Adept
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* Any nameless mook in ''{{Utawarerumono}}'' is canon fodder and will die in the dozens per sword slash from a general or important character. The large scale battles are really battles between named characters. The mooks on either side are just window dressing and will not get any kills in.

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* Any nameless mook in ''{{Utawarerumono}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Utawarerumono}}'' is canon fodder and will die in the dozens per sword slash from a general or important character. The large scale battles are really battles between named characters. The mooks on either side are just window dressing and will not get any kills in.
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