History ConservationOfNinjutsu / AnimeAndManga

16th Sep '16 4:01:13 AM immortalfrieza
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** For the entire Digimon franchise, it is very rare that any Digimon one level below another can ever so much as scratch that other Digimon, this applies to both the good guys and the bad guys. It's routine that the entire team of protagonist Digimon of any given series working together will get their butts kicked over and over by a higher level villain Digimon until one of them eventually rises to the villain's level, and for the villains to send dozens of evil Digimon at the higher level protagonist Digimon only to have them slaughtered with no effort.
16th Aug '16 10:20:58 AM dotchan
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** It's also a DiscussedTrope--as Kenshin would tell it, he usually didn't cut down swaths of {{Mooks}} at once, but created circumstances in which he was only up against a few of them at a time, and dealt with them that way. (Using this advise, KidSamurai Yahiko deals with a bunch of thugs by fighting them in a narrow alleyway, and then [[BigDamnHeroes Kenshin and Sano]] surrepticiously show up to support him so things don't get too deadly.)

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** It's also a DiscussedTrope--as Kenshin would tell it, he usually didn't cut down swaths of {{Mooks}} at once, but created circumstances in which he was only up against a few of them at a time, and dealt with them that way. (Using this advise, advice, KidSamurai Yahiko deals with a bunch of thugs by fighting them in a narrow alleyway, and then [[BigDamnHeroes Kenshin and Sano]] surrepticiously show up to support him so things don't get too deadly.)
16th Aug '16 10:16:24 AM dotchan
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** It's also a DiscussedTrope--as Kenshin would tell it, he usually didn't cut down swaths of {{Mooks}} at once, but created circumstances in which he was only up against a few of them at a time, and dealt with them that way. (Using this advise, KidSamurai Yahiko deals with a bunch of thugs by fighting them in a narrow alleyway, and then [[BigDamnHeroes Kenshin and Sano]] surrepticiously show up to support him so things don't get too deadly.)
5th Aug '16 11:14:38 AM imadmagician
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* Played with in Anime/YuGiOhArcV : the [[EliteMooks Obelisk Force]] usually defies this trope: using the nature of Battle Royal duels to their advantage, 3 of them gang up on 1 or 2 opponents, overwhelming and crushing them. Played straight (even exaggerated) in other cases, such as when [[spoiler: Kaito]] takes down an entire battalion of unnamed Duel Academy students all by himself, or when Yuri [[OneTurnKill simultaneously annihilates]] 5 Students without taking any damage during the duel.
1st Aug '16 3:03:48 PM bificommander
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* Gamillian ships in ''SpaceBattleshipYamato2199'' change between MookMobile and legetimate threat depending of how many of them there are. At one point, the Yamato almost casually cut a path through a 10.000 ship strong fleet, taking the time to blow up their stargate on the way out. At other times, a handful or even a single ship can suddenly put up a fight.

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* Gamillian ships in ''SpaceBattleshipYamato2199'' ''Anime/SpaceBattleshipYamato2199'' change between MookMobile and legetimate threat depending of how many of them there are. At one point, the Yamato almost casually cut a path through a 10.000 ship strong fleet, taking the time to blow up their stargate on the way out. At other times, a handful or even a single ship can suddenly put up a fight.
1st Aug '16 3:02:48 PM bificommander
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* Gamillian ships in ''SpaceBattleshipYamato2199'' change between MookMobile and legetimate threat depending of how many of them there are. At one point, the Yamato almost casually cut a path through a 10.000 ship strong fleet, taking the time to blow up their stargate on the way out. At other times, a handful or even a single ship can suddenly put up a fight.
13th Jul '16 4:05:03 PM erttheking
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* In ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'', Apostles were a major threat early in the series, with Guts needing to fight with everything he had to kill one, and Guts probably would have died fighting the Count if the Count's daughter hadn't conveniently burst into the room for Guts to use as a hostage. Now that all the Apostles in the world are serving Griffith, they've been demoted to [[EliteMook Elite Mooks]]. Justified, since Guts has the [[DeadlyUpgrade Berserker's Armor]], which makes him much stronger and brings out his SuperpoweredEvilSide.

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* In ''{{Manga/Berserk}}'', Apostles were a major threat early in the series, with Guts needing to fight with everything he had to kill one, and Guts probably would have died fighting the Count if the Count's daughter hadn't conveniently burst into the room for Guts to use as a hostage. Now that all the Apostles in the world are serving Griffith, they've been demoted to [[EliteMook Elite Mooks]]. Justified, since Guts has the [[DeadlyUpgrade Berserker's Armor]], which makes him much stronger and brings out his SuperpoweredEvilSide. That being said, [[{{Badass}} Zodd]] still manages to prove to be a major threat every time he shows up.
8th Jun '16 9:15:30 PM Astatine
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* ''Manga/OnePiece'': The Straw Hats are attacked by a horde of [[SuperpoweredMooks Captain-ranked Marines]]. Each one displays unique powers, fighting skills, or weapons. Each one a few chapters ago would have been a boss, or at least a major enemy. Now, they were dangerous only because of their sheer numbers.
** Morgan was also a captain, and Luffy defeated him without taking a single hit. T-Bone was an EliteMook, and while he presented a threat to the Rocketman, Zoro defeated him in one hit, so the strength of Captain-ranked Marines is not that significant at this point in the story.
** Quasi-invoked by Tashigi during the Alabasta arc. While staring down Nico Robin with a veritable army of Marines, she realizes who Nico Robin is, notes that "numbers don't mean anything to Robin," and ''sends her army away'' to fight Robin one-on-one. [[spoiler: She immediately loses.]] Perhaps you have to be a main character for this to work.
** ''Manga/OnePiece'' does this to the point of ridiculousness. During the Assault on Enies Lobby, Luffy single-handedly defeats an army of 2000 Marines without receiving even a scratch. Immediately afterwards, he fights one-on-one against Blueno, who gives him significantly more trouble. However, given that Blueno was an elite agent and the Marines were just foot soldiers, it's somewhat justified. Indeed, Luffy's reaction when told that Enies Lobby has a garrison of over 10,000 soldiers:
-->'''Luffy:''' ''And I am alone. '''''Get out of my way!'''
** The Enies Lobby assault in general was a massive invocation of this trope. The Frankie Family and Straw Hats numbered about 60 and in total there were about 10,000 soldiers on the island. That's right--taking down one of the World Government's strongholds housing the [=CP9=] ''and'' a garrison of 10,000 strong took ''only 60 people''. Moreover, ''about 50 of those 60 were extras'' and the remaining '''10''' did all the work.
** The start of the Whitebeard War seemed to be pretty even too, even though Whitebeard's men totaled only those on his four ships plus about 40 other crews from the New World. The Navy, on the other hand, had 100,000 soldiers. To be fair, most of those were still further down in the plaza, but it's still a pretty massive example.
** An army of fishmen numbering 100,000 fights against the Straw Hats and Jimbe. The opening move in their battle consists of Luffy knocking 50,000 of the enemies unconscious simultaneously.
*** By STARING at them. Although it is kind of justified as this is an ability that you have to be born with and only a really small portion of the people in the world have it and is one of the most powerful abilities in the world. Also they were all {{Redshirt}}s by this point in the story.
8th Jun '16 9:07:32 PM Astatine
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*** But subverted by Metal Cooler in one of the movies. After a long struggle, one copy is defeated, only for hundreds more to show up... each of whom are just as strong as the original.
*** The movies in general are better about this. Sansho, Ginger, and Nicky manage to take down Piccolo with a CombinedEnergyAttack, despite being individually weaker than him, Bido, Zangya, and Bujin are able to take down the powerful Super Saiyan Gohan with teamwork, and in the above Metal Cooler example, Goku and Vegeta managed to defeat the original Metal Cooler by combining their energies. Generic {{mook}}s also manage to take down Gohan and Krillin in the Lord Slug and Metal Cooler movies, again by ganging up on them, despite sustaining heavy losses.
*** In the History of Trunks, it is implied that Gohan is about as strong as one of the androids. Too bad 17 and 18 attack as a team, completely overwhelming Gohan.
*** ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' plays with this trope. Though the heroic team of Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, Tien, Master Roshi and Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman triumph over Frieza's thousand+ strong army, the heroes are quite outmatched and have to resort to a bit of trickery to defeat them.

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*** But subverted by Metal Cooler in one of the movies. After a long struggle, one copy is defeated, only for hundreds more to show up... each of whom are just as strong as the original.
*** The movies in general are better about this. Sansho, Ginger, and Nicky manage to take down Piccolo with a CombinedEnergyAttack, despite being individually weaker than him, Bido, Zangya, and Bujin are able to take down the powerful Super Saiyan Gohan with teamwork, and in the above Metal Cooler example, Goku and Vegeta managed to defeat the original Metal Cooler by combining their energies. Generic {{mook}}s also manage to take down Gohan and Krillin in the Lord Slug and Metal Cooler movies, again by ganging up on them, despite sustaining heavy losses.
*** In the History of Trunks, it is implied that Gohan is about as strong as one of the androids. Too bad 17 and 18 attack as a team, completely overwhelming Gohan.
*** ''Anime/DragonBallZResurrectionF'' plays with this trope. Though the heroic team of Gohan, Piccolo, Krillin, Tien, Master Roshi and Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman triumph over Frieza's thousand+ strong army, the heroes are quite outmatched and have to resort to a bit of trickery to defeat them.
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18th Apr '16 10:54:41 AM Willbyr
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* ''{{Hellsing}}'' does use this. The Hellsing Organisation's operatives mop the floor with masses of enemy ghouls but find more trouble in dealing with lone strong vampires. However, there are exceptions. Seras assisted Alucard against the lone Tubalcain Alhambra and helped her side win instead of making the odds worse, as the Inverse Ninja Law would have. Similarly, when Alexander makes his one-man charge towards Alucard and a newly-summoned army of familiars in a later part of the story, he finds that the numbers actually are to Alucard's advantage and it takes reinforcements to save him.

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* ''{{Hellsing}}'' ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'' does use this. The Hellsing Organisation's operatives mop the floor with masses of enemy ghouls but find more trouble in dealing with lone strong vampires. However, there are exceptions. Seras assisted Alucard against the lone Tubalcain Alhambra and helped her side win instead of making the odds worse, as the Inverse Ninja Law would have. Similarly, when Alexander makes his one-man charge towards Alucard and a newly-summoned army of familiars in a later part of the story, he finds that the numbers actually are to Alucard's advantage and it takes reinforcements to save him.



* ''Digimon TheMovie'' plays this very straight for both the heroes and [[BigBad Diaboromon]], whoever has greater numbers tends to be on the losing side. Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon can barely get a hit in on Diaboromon in between all the asskicking that he's giving them, but when he multiplies into several thousand copies and they [[FusionDance become]] [[{{Badass}} Omnimon]], the army is mowed down within seconds. When he gets to the last Diaboramon, the fight is now one-on-one and is more evenly matched (if only because he's too fast to hit).
* In ''[[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion End of Evangelion]]'', Asuka fights nine mass-produced [[HumongousMecha Eva]] units, each with weapons that can cleave straight through her nigh-impenetrable [[BeehiveBarrier AT Field]]. Asuka's Eva, meanwhile, has only a Progressive Knife and three minutes of battery power. In that timespan, Asuka disables or destroys ''every last one''. [[spoiler:Only to find out that they were OnlyMostlyDead, and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bpx66Ld-TI promptly get her]] [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown ass kicked horrifically]]. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bpx66Ld-TI Whoops.]]]]

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* ''Digimon ''Franchise/{{Digimon}} TheMovie'' plays this very straight for both the heroes and [[BigBad Diaboromon]], whoever has greater numbers tends to be on the losing side. Wargreymon and Metalgarurumon can barely get a hit in on Diaboromon in between all the asskicking that he's giving them, but when he multiplies into several thousand copies and they [[FusionDance become]] [[{{Badass}} Omnimon]], the army is mowed down within seconds. When he gets to the last Diaboramon, the fight is now one-on-one and is more evenly matched (if only because he's too fast to hit).
* In ''[[Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion End of Evangelion]]'', Asuka fights nine mass-produced [[HumongousMecha Eva]] units, each with weapons that can cleave straight through her nigh-impenetrable [[BeehiveBarrier AT Field]]. Asuka's Eva, meanwhile, has only a Progressive Knife and three minutes of battery power. In that timespan, Asuka disables or destroys ''every last one''. [[spoiler:Only to find out that they were OnlyMostlyDead, and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bpx66Ld-TI promptly get gets her]] [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown ass kicked horrifically]]. [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Bpx66Ld-TI Whoops.]]]]
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