History CombatPragmatist / Literature

10th Dec '16 5:38:02 PM Rebu
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* In ''Literature/TheIronTeeth'' Blacknail the goblin has absolutely no sense of fair play whatsoever. He is constantly ambushing his opponents or attacking them from behind. He also attacks unarmed men with a sword several times as well. It never even occurs to him to fight fair.

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* In ''Literature/TheIronTeeth'' ''Literature/TheIronTeeth'', Blacknail the goblin has absolutely no sense of fair play whatsoever. He is constantly ambushing his opponents or attacking them from behind. He also attacks unarmed men with a sword several times as well. It never even occurs to him to fight fair.
** During one fight, he faces off against a rival assassin who urges him to fight with honor. Blacknail decides that's a fine weakness to exploit. [[spoiler:Turns out the rival didn't mean a word, and he says he wouldn't be a good assassin if he played
fair.]]
5th Dec '16 2:49:29 PM MarsJenkar
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** Molly isn't a magical brawler who can throw around [[PlayingWithFire massive amounts of fire]] the way Harry is, so she instead uses every horrible sneaky trick you could expect from a MasterOfIllusion. [[DoppelgangerSpin Appearing in about twelve places at once]], blinding enemies, tricking them into shooting each other, creating fake obstacles to corral them into where she wants them to go...

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** Molly isn't a magical brawler who can throw around [[PlayingWithFire massive amounts of fire]] the way Harry is, so she instead uses every horrible sneaky trick you could expect from a MasterOfIllusion. [[DoppelgangerSpin Appearing in about twelve places at once]], blinding enemies, tricking them into shooting each other, creating fake obstacles to corral them into where she wants them to go...go, the whole bit. And if you pair her with a wizard who has ''actually'' deadly magic at his/her disposal, well, the opposition needs to be more careful, lest an "illusory" wall of flames proves to be the real deal....
4th Dec '16 11:46:35 AM nombretomado
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* In Creator/RobertEHoward's "Beyond the Black River", ConanTheBarbarian, with no shame, [[FriendOrFoe deceives a Pict into coming close enough to be killed]].

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* In Creator/RobertEHoward's "Beyond the Black River", ConanTheBarbarian, "Literature/BeyondTheBlackRiver", Literature/ConanTheBarbarian, with no shame, [[FriendOrFoe deceives a Pict into coming close enough to be killed]].
22nd Nov '16 6:12:58 PM PaulA
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* The Dorsai in Creator/GordonRDickson's ''ChildeCycle''.
** The Dorsai do believe in thinking outside the box. However, they would never, ever, violate the "Mercenaries Code" (which is something like [[UsefulNotes/TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar the Geneva Conventions]]). When one person asked one of the Dorsai commanders if he had ever shot prisoners, the commander got quite threatening about the idea that he would ever do such a thing.

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* The Dorsai in Creator/GordonRDickson's ''ChildeCycle''.
** The Dorsai do
''Literature/ChildeCycle'' believe in thinking outside the box. However, they would never, ever, violate the "Mercenaries Code" (which is something like [[UsefulNotes/TheLawsAndCustomsOfWar the Geneva Conventions]]). When one person asked one of the Dorsai commanders if he had ever shot prisoners, the commander got quite threatening about the idea that he would ever do such a thing.
17th Nov '16 10:45:45 PM jtgibson
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----* Almost every moral message to be gleaned from David Weber's [[Literature/HonorHarrington "Honorverse"]] is about the excessiveness of combat pragmatism, including the brutality of pragmatism absent any morality. The unarmed combat style, ''coup de vitesse'' ("blow of speed", in the same sense as ''coup d'etat''), is about maximal damage and lethality in minimal time. One of many moments is the method by which a regime protects itself by strafing rioting civilians with miniguns that fire hundreds of rounds per second, dropping "snowflake" cluster bombs, and conducting precision orbit-to-surface kinetic strikes against buildings filled with sympathisers in the most populous city on the planet's surface. Even the main protagonist for the first twelve novels is well trained as a methodical military killer, impersonally as a starship commander as well as personally with sidearms or bare-handed brutality, saving any feelings of dread, guilt, and regret for afterward.
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9th Nov '16 6:57:53 PM nombretomado
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* In JohnCWright's ''Literature/WarOfTheDreaming'', we have the HandicappedBadass Peter Waylock, who is very much the Unfettered when it comes to fighting:

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* In JohnCWright's Creator/JohnCWright's ''Literature/WarOfTheDreaming'', we have the HandicappedBadass Peter Waylock, who is very much the Unfettered when it comes to fighting:
6th Nov '16 4:05:25 PM dlchen145
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* While he prides himself on his pure combat skill, the assassin Artemis Entreri of the ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms'' novels is not above using blackmail, dirty tactics and overwhelming odds to win fights when necessary. [[BadAss It isn't often necessary.]] There is one particularly memorable scene in the ''Literature/TheIcewindDaleTrilogy'' where he spits a mouthful of sewer water into Drizzt's face to gain the upper hand. Drizzt had just a few minutes earlier been wondering why Entreri was a little less talkative.

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* While he prides himself on his pure combat skill, the assassin Artemis Entreri of the ''TabletopGame/ForgottenRealms'' novels is not above using blackmail, dirty tactics and overwhelming odds to win fights when necessary. [[BadAss It isn't often necessary.]] necessary. There is one particularly memorable scene in the ''Literature/TheIcewindDaleTrilogy'' where he spits a mouthful of sewer water into Drizzt's face to gain the upper hand. Drizzt had just a few minutes earlier been wondering why Entreri was a little less talkative.
30th Sep '16 2:25:21 PM ShorinBJ
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* Quite a few of the characters in the [[Literature/HonorHarrington Honorverse]]. At one point, Honor has to meet a pirate warlord in person to arrange the release of hostages he is holding. Knowing that he will scan her for energy weapons, [[spoiler:she simply brings along a semi-automatic handgun (of a model that went out of style ''millenia'' before the story takes place.) She [[BoomHeadshot plugs his goons]] and captures the warlord once they let their guard down.]]

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* Quite a few of the characters in the [[Literature/HonorHarrington Honorverse]]. At one point, Honor has to meet a pirate warlord in person to arrange the release of hostages he is holding. Knowing that he will scan her for energy weapons, [[spoiler:she simply brings along a semi-automatic handgun (of a model that went out of style ''millenia'' ''millennia'' before the story takes place.) She [[BoomHeadshot plugs his goons]] and captures the warlord once they let their guard down.]]
23rd Sep '16 2:13:21 PM StarSword
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* Literature/AlexisCarew fights dirty, being a young woman barely a meter and a half tall, there's no other way for her to brawl effectively (demonstrated by her hurting nothing but her hand when she punches a SpaceMarine in the gut during practice). She was taught by her grandfather's foremen from a young age that if a man laid his hands on her with ill intent, she was to hurt him however possible until she could get away. She does things like striking eyes, stamping feet, and breaking fingers.

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* Literature/AlexisCarew fights dirty, dirty because, being a young woman barely a meter and a half tall, there's no other way for her to brawl effectively (demonstrated by her hurting nothing but her hand when she punches a SpaceMarine in the gut during practice). She was taught by her grandfather's foremen from a young age that if a man laid his hands on her with ill intent, she was to hurt him however possible until she could get away. She does things like striking eyes, stamping feet, and breaking fingers.
23rd Sep '16 2:12:55 PM StarSword
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* Literature/AlexisCarew fights dirty, being a young woman barely a meter and a half tall, there's no other way for her to brawl effectively (demonstrated by her hurting nothing but her hand when she punches a SpaceMarine in the gut during practice). She was taught by her grandfather's foremen from a young age that if a man laid his hands on her with ill intent, she was to hurt him however possible until she could get away. She does things like striking eyes, stamping feet, and breaking fingers.
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