History CombatPragmatist / Literature

23rd May '16 5:39:08 AM PaulA
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* Creator/DavidGemmell characters, by and large, tend to favour the policy that the best opponent is a dead one, and that rules that get in the way are best ignored. It's even a plot point in ''Hero in the Shadows'' when Waylander chooses to fight in a semi-honourable but still brutal duel rather than just nailing the guy with a crossbow bolt.

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* Creator/DavidGemmell characters, by and large, tend to favour the policy that the best opponent is a dead one, and that rules that get in the way are best ignored. It's even a plot point in ''Hero in the Shadows'' ''Literature/HeroInTheShadows'' when Waylander chooses to fight in a semi-honourable but still brutal duel rather than just nailing the guy with a crossbow bolt.
29th Mar '16 8:12:30 AM Chariset
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* This shows up all the time in Creator/MercedesLackey's work, especially her ''[[Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar Velgarth]]'' novels. Fighting instructors, as opposed to fencing masters, constantly emphasise to their students that there's no such thing as "unfair" or "dishonourable" tactics in a real fight. Fencing matches and the like are a different thing entirely.

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* This shows up all the time in Creator/MercedesLackey's work, especially her ''[[Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar Velgarth]]'' ''Literature/HeraldsOfValdemar'' novels. Fighting instructors, as opposed to fencing masters, constantly emphasise to their students that there's no such thing as "unfair" or "dishonourable" tactics in a real fight. Fencing matches and the like are a different thing entirely.entirely.
** Other examples appear in her ''Literature/TalesOfTheFiveHundredKingdoms'', where a bit of ruthlessness in the right cause goes a long way. (It helps that these are based on fairytales, where the protagonists almost never have the odds on their side).
17th Feb '16 1:41:38 PM ClearMadness
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* In ''Literature/TheIronTeeth'' Blacknail the goblin has absolutely no sense of fair play whatsoever. He is constantly ambushing his opponents or attacking them from behind. He also attacks unarmed men with a sword several times as well. It never even occurs to him to fight fair.
27th Jan '16 4:38:49 PM TechPriest90
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* ''Literature/GauntsGhosts:'' Considering that the main characters (The Tanith 1st and Only) are all stealth experts fighting a war against an enemy [[Main/TheUnfettered that feels no fear, pity or remorse and has no morals or qualms whatsoever]], and considers most atrocities [[Main/ReligionOfEvil as a form of worship to their Gods]], this trope comes into play a lot from both sides.
** It is explicitly mentioned, however, in ''His Last Command'' where [[Main/DrillSergeantNasty Major Rawne]] is shown fighting with no restraint whatsoever against the Archenemy. It frightens some of the men beside him - men who've probably seen the worst the Galaxy has to offer. Justified in that the Major had spent a long time as an infiltrator on a Chaos-held World named Gereon, which [[Main/IDidWhatIHadToDo necessitated him learning how to fight dirty]].
14th Jan '16 1:36:29 PM sagar
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* In ''Literature/SonOfTheBlackSword'' by Creator/LarryCorreia, pragmatism is a way of life for [[ActionGirl Thera]]. She rather mischievously tells Ashok about the time she pretended to be a ScreamingWoman DamselInDistress ''just'' long enough to get a rapist off his guard. And then she [[GroinAttack unmanned him]] with a concealed knife.
14th Jan '16 4:25:04 AM f1shst1x
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14th Jan '16 4:23:23 AM f1shst1x
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* Caine/Hari from ''Literature/TheActsOfCaine'' is widely considered the best infighter alive, even after being rendered partially paraplegic. He does not fight fair, ever, and it allows him to win fights where he really should have had no chance. Illustration: right after [[DarkestHour his lowest point]] in ''Blade of Tyshalle'', he escapes a dungeon cell by luring a guard in and provoking him to attack, apparently giving up the element of surprise. To recap, this is a naked and malnourished Caine, covered in his own filth, chained to the wall with his legs currently not working. The guard on the other hand is armored in chainmail, upright and well fed, and has the [[CounterAttack "chance"]] to draw his club and attack Caine first. After a few minutes the situation changes to that of a naked and unconscious guard in Caine's shackles while a now armed and armored Caine crawls up the dungeon steps.

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Caine/Hari from ''Literature/TheActsOfCaine'' is widely considered the best infighter alive, even after being rendered partially paraplegic. He does not fight fair, ever, and it allows him to win fights where he really should have had no chance. Illustration: right after [[DarkestHour his lowest point]] in ''Blade of Tyshalle'', he escapes a dungeon cell by luring a guard in and provoking him to attack, apparently giving up the element of surprise. To recap, this is a naked and malnourished Caine, covered in his own filth, chained to the wall with his legs currently not working. The guard on the other hand is armored in chainmail, upright and well fed, and has the [[CounterAttack "chance"]] to draw his club and attack Caine first. After a few minutes the situation changes to that of a naked and unconscious guard in Caine's shackles while a now armed and armored Caine crawls up the dungeon steps.



* Ender in ''Literature/EndersGame'' explains to an enemy that real soldiers don't play fair; they do whatever it takes to keep themselves alive. Ender doesn't just win; he annihilates. If he's kicking someone's ass, they won't have an ass left to be kicked when he's done. This is true from the time he's six years old and fighting ([[spoiler:aka. Murdering]]) bullies in the schoolyard.
** Not just Ender. This is a sentiment for every military figure in the books. Mazer Rackham tells Ender "This is war. There are no rules except what you can do to the enemy and what you can stop him from doing to you."
*** Bean makes a similar point to Achilles in ''Ender's Shadow'' about how real soldiers do whatever it takes to win.

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* ''Literature/EndersGame''
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Ender in ''Literature/EndersGame'' explains to an enemy that real soldiers don't play fair; they do whatever it takes to keep themselves alive. Ender doesn't just win; he annihilates. If he's kicking someone's ass, they won't have an ass left to be kicked when he's done. This is true from the time he's six years old and fighting ([[spoiler:aka. Murdering]]) bullies in the schoolyard.
** Not just Ender.
schoolyard. This is a sentiment for every military figure in the books. Mazer Rackham tells Ender "This is war. There are no rules except what you can do to the enemy and what you can stop him from doing to you."
*** ** Bean makes a similar point to Achilles in ''Ender's Shadow'' about how real soldiers do whatever it takes to win.



* Staying with OrsonScottCard for a moment, in his novelisation of ''The Abyss'' the SEAL team leader, Coffey, is mentioned as having taken down a neighbourhood bully eight years his senior not in a straight-up street fight: rather, by going, lying in wait for the guy, and caving his head in with a cinderblock when the guy's back was turned. He then describes how Coffey tidies up, goes home, and never seeks any recognition of his act. On the other hand, Coffey is characterised as somewhere between a SociopathicHero and a monster.
* Locke Lamora of the Literature/GentlemanBastard(s) is most definitely one of these.

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* Staying with OrsonScottCard for a moment, in his novelisation In OrsonScottCard's novelization of ''The Abyss'' the SEAL team leader, Coffey, is mentioned as having taken down a neighbourhood bully eight years his senior not in a straight-up street fight: rather, fight but rather by going, lying in wait for the guy, guy and caving his head in with a cinderblock cinder block when the guy's his back was turned. He then describes how Coffey then tidies up, goes home, and never seeks any recognition of his act. On the other hand, Coffey is characterised as somewhere between a SociopathicHero and a monster.
* Locke Lamora of the Literature/GentlemanBastard(s) is most definitely one of these. He once escapes a difficult situation because it simply doesn't occur to anyone that Locke would have no problem punching an 80 year old woman in the face.
8th Jan '16 8:05:03 PM DrSlide
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*** Standard procedure when his staff is taken away or runs out of magic? Start blasting whatever he is fighting with .44 rounds 'til it stops moving.

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*** Standard procedure when his staff is taken away or runs out of magic? Start blasting Blast whatever he is he's fighting with .44 rounds 'til with any firearm he can get his hands on until it stops moving.
10th Dec '15 3:02:24 PM youfeelingluckypunk27
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*** [[spoiler:The titular sourcerer has to be defeated and Rincewind is the only one capable of following the sourcerer through a portal. The sourcerer is just a kid that has faced lots of wizards by following orders from his father, cointained in his staff, but he only does it because they are dangerous. Cue Rincewind, inept wizzard and incapable of hurting a fly (not for lack of trying, mind you), attempting to attack him with half a brick in a sock. After asking if it's an magic sock or if this is a trick, the boy is so convinced that Rincewind is completely harmless that he refuses to follow his father's orders for the first time in his life. Technically, fighting dirty '''did''' save Rincewind's life, just not as somebody would expect it to work.]]

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*** [[spoiler:The titular sourcerer has to be defeated and Rincewind is the only one capable of following the sourcerer through a portal. The sourcerer is just a kid that has faced lots of wizards by following orders from his father, cointained in his staff, but he only does it because they are dangerous. Cue Rincewind, inept wizzard and incapable of hurting a fly (not for lack of trying, mind you), attempting to attack him the staff with half a brick in a sock. After asking if it's an magic sock or if this is a trick, the boy is so convinced that Rincewind is completely harmless that he refuses to follow his father's orders for the first time in his life. Technically, fighting dirty '''did''' save Rincewind's life, just not as somebody would expect it to work.]]
27th Nov '15 9:05:32 AM ecuvulle6267
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* ''Literature/TheHungerGames'': Katniss Everdeen increasingly becomes this as the novels progress, though moreso during the games.
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