History Characters / BaldursGateOtherPartyMembers

20th Jun '16 5:34:54 PM Katsuhagi
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* UglyGuyHotWife: Not ugly, exactly, but not very charming, with a very low Charisma score, and several [=NPC=]s seem to think Jaheira is out of his league. Faldorn is one of them, but whether she believes it or is just trying to irritate Jaheira is debatable.

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* UglyGuyHotWife: Not ugly, exactly, but not very charming, with a very low Charisma score, score and massive self esteem issues, and several [=NPC=]s seem to think Jaheira is out of his league. Faldorn is one of them, but whether she believes it or is just trying to irritate Jaheira is debatable.
20th Jun '16 5:33:11 PM Katsuhagi
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* UglyGuyHotWife: Not ugly, exactly, but not very charming, with a very low Charisma score. Several [=NPC=]s seem to think Jaheira is out of his league. Faldorn is one of them, but whether she believes it or is just trying to irritate Jaheira is debatable.
** Charisma isn't meant to be taken as a comment on a character's looks, though. What it measures is "persuasiveness, personal magnetism, and the ability to lead". Khalid just wouldn't make a very good leader, for many different reasons. Most people do assume attractive people are charismatic, but there's a lot more to being a good leader than looks.

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* UglyGuyHotWife: Not ugly, exactly, but not very charming, with a very low Charisma score. Several score, and several [=NPC=]s seem to think Jaheira is out of his league. Faldorn is one of them, but whether she believes it or is just trying to irritate Jaheira is debatable.
** Charisma isn't meant to be taken as a comment on a character's looks, though. What it measures is "persuasiveness, personal magnetism, and the ability to lead". Khalid just wouldn't make a very good leader, for many different reasons. Most people do assume attractive people are charismatic, but there's a lot more to being a good leader than looks.
debatable.
19th Jun '16 12:43:13 PM DeathMetalAlchemist
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* CityMouse: A slight example. While she doesn't share Skie's naivete and has some experience with adventuring, she still prefers a pampered lifestyle. This becomes especially true in ''Siege of Dragonspear,'' where the vast majority of the game is spent on the road.

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* CityMouse: A slight example. While she doesn't share Skie's naivete and has some experience with adventuring, she still prefers a pampered lifestyle. This becomes especially true in ''Siege of Dragonspear,'' where the vast majority of the game is spent on in the road.wilderness.
15th Jun '16 8:58:23 AM SilverDragon
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* CantCatchUp: Lilarcor was a handy +2 weapon when first acquired... early in [=BG2=] and he's stuck there, he never gets upgraded. Once you get even greater swords (which are aplenty), you might want to sacrifice his humorous banter for better combat prowess.

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* CantCatchUp: Lilarcor was a handy +2 +3 weapon when first acquired... early in [=BG2=] and he's stuck there, he never gets upgraded. Once you get even greater swords (which are aplenty), you might want to sacrifice his humorous banter for better combat prowess.
15th Jun '16 1:39:58 AM ChrisX
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* CantCatchUp: Lilarcor was a handy +2 weapon when first acquired... early in [=BG2=] and he's stuck there, he never gets upgraded. Once you get even greater swords (which are aplenty), you might want to sacrifice his humorous banter for better combat prowess.
15th Jun '16 12:49:19 AM ChrisX
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** He puts himself on a bus at ''Siege of Dragonspear'', seeing no purpose to fight after Tazok has been killed and his revenge fulfilled. Little did he know that Tazok would return in ''Shadows of Amn''.



* PutOnABus: He plays no part at all in the sequel. (Although he cameos in at least one mod in a typical Eldoth fashion).

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* PutOnABus: He plays no part at all in the sequel. (Although he cameos in at least one mod in a typical Eldoth fashion). He didn't even appear in ''Siege of Dragonspear'', Skie finally dumped him.



* ShaggyDogStory: If you take a look at what's happening to her, the poor girl's life is this. The man she's in love with treats her like garbage and actually extorts her family, she turns out to be completely unsuited for the adventuring life she longed for, her brother has been killed somewhere on the road and no one seems to care about that, and then her father is assassinated. If you try to drop her from the party, she says she has nowhere to go and nothing to do with herself. The best thing you can do is abandon Eldoth cold and never take her along.

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* ShaggyDogStory: If you take a look at what's happening to her, the poor girl's life is this. The man she's in love with treats her like garbage and actually extorts her family, she turns out to be completely unsuited for the adventuring life she longed for, her brother has been killed somewhere on the road and no one seems to care about that, and then her father is assassinated. If you try to drop her from the party, she says she has nowhere to go and nothing to do with herself. The best thing you can do is abandon Eldoth cold and never take her along. ''Siege of Dragonspear'' seemingly tried to defy this by having her finally grow some spine and ditch Eldoth, but eventually didn't make it any better, [[spoiler:since she ended up being [[SacrificialLion murdered by Jon Irenicus to eventually frame and capture the Bhaalspawn]]]]



* PutOnABus: He did not appear in ''Siege of Dragonspear'', presumably to set up his circus and adopt Aerie.



* PutOnABus: Yeslick is not encountered, or even mentioned at all in [=BG2=], so his fate after the first game is unknown.

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* PutOnABus: Yeslick is not encountered, or even mentioned at all in [=BG2=], so his fate after the first game is unknown. He also apparently missed out ''Siege of Dragonspear''.



* PutOnABus: He did not appear in ''Siege of Dragonspear'' as he probably returned to Amn and the temple of Helm. Regardless, [[DoomedByCanon he's still doomed.]]



* PutOnABus: Along with lots of others.

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* PutOnABus: Along with lots of others. And she didn't even make it to ''Siege of Dragonspear''.



* PutOnABus: Like all the other [=BG1=] characters who didn't make the cut for the sequel.

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* PutOnABus: Like all the other [=BG1=] characters who didn't make the cut for the sequel.sequel or [[VideoGame/BaldursGateSiegeOfDragonspear the interquel.]]
5th Jun '16 12:20:01 AM rehberre
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** Finally, out of all the original love interests, he should be the ''least'' likely to get himself [[CutsceneIncompetence kidnapped by vampires]], especially if he's sufficiently leveled up. Besides his [[HolyHandGrenade cleric spells]], his TurnUndead rating can easily climb high enough to make vampires cry uncle or [[LudicrousGibs explode]]. That would make Bodhi's plan difficult, to say the least.

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** Finally, out of all the original love interests, he should be the ''least'' likely to get himself [[CutsceneIncompetence kidnapped by vampires]], especially if he's sufficiently leveled up. Besides his [[HolyHandGrenade cleric spells]], his TurnUndead rating can easily climb high enough to make vampires cry uncle or [[LudicrousGibs explode]]. That would make Bodhi's plan plot difficult, to say the least.



* {{Hypocrite}}: In a sense. In his blind passion for his own knighthood ideal he completely fails to realize that others such as [[SquareRaceRoundClass Mazzy]] or even [[TheChampion Minsc]] come much closer to the actual image of a paladin. His religious zeal also causes him to berate [[NatureHero Cernd]] for using the word duty in his presence, claiming that druids wouldn't know anything about duty. He is also unwilling to accept criticism from people like [[OldMaster Keldorn]] who try to rerail him onto the right path. Finally, at one point in the romance, he will call out a good-aligned Charname for not fighting against evil (keeping in mind that, at this point, he ''isn't Good himself'').

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* {{Hypocrite}}: In a sense. In his blind passion for his own knighthood ideal he completely fails to realize that others such as [[SquareRaceRoundClass Mazzy]] or even [[TheChampion Minsc]] come much closer to the actual image of a paladin. His religious zeal also causes him to berate [[NatureHero Cernd]] for using the word duty "duty" in his presence, claiming that druids wouldn't know anything about duty. He is also unwilling to accept criticism from people like [[OldMaster Keldorn]] who try to rerail him onto the right path. Finally, at one point in during the romance, he will call out a good-aligned Charname for not sufficiently fighting against evil (keeping in mind that, at this point, he ''isn't Good himself'').



** JerkassHasAPoint: He's frequently wrong about a lot of things, but this trope does apply in one specific circumstance. [[spoiler: If the PC romancing him is a paladin, and through dialogue expresses a wish to join TheOrder, he won't call into question her dedication to the good. Instead, he will point out that she's got to do more than just talk about it.]] Coming from him, this is pretty understandable by comparison.

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** JerkassHasAPoint: He's frequently wrong about a lot of things, but this trope does apply in one specific circumstance. [[spoiler: If the PC romancing him is a paladin, and through dialogue expresses a wish she tells him that she wants to join TheOrder, he won't call into question her dedication to the good. LawfulGood ideals. Instead, he will point out say that she's got to do more to join than just talk about it.]] Coming from him, this is pretty understandable by comparison.(and also true in-universe).



* MurderTheHypotenuse: If both you and Haer'Dalis love Aerie and she hasn't yet pledged her love to you, Haer'Dalis will challenge you to a duel for her love. [[spoiler: The duel won't actually happen, however. If you jump at the chance to fight Haer'Dalis, Aerie will reject you; if you choose to try to talk things out instead, she will reject Haer'Dalis.]]
** IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: If she has on the other hand, he won't; he will instead wish Aerie well and even offer to play music at her wedding.

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* MurderTheHypotenuse: If both you and Haer'Dalis love Aerie and she hasn't yet pledged her love to you, Haer'Dalis will challenge you to a duel for her love. [[spoiler: The duel won't actually happen, however. If Before things can come to blows, Aerie will break up with either you (if you jump at the chance to fight Haer'Dalis, Aerie will reject you; if duel) or Haer'Dalis (if you choose to instead try to talk things out instead, she will reject Haer'Dalis.out).]]
** IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy: If she has on the other hand, confirmed her relationship with you already, he won't; won't protest; he will instead wish Aerie well and even offer to play music at her wedding.



* ForGreatJustice: Though she tends to be a bit more subtle about it than Minsc or Keldorn.

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* ForGreatJustice: Though she tends to be a bit more subtle about it than Minsc or Keldorn.Keldorn, she'll offer congratulatory remarks if your Reputation climbs.



* TheLostLenore: Patrick is this to her. She implies that she may never [[TheMourningAfter really get over him.]]



* OddFriendship: She will, completely of her own accord, appoint Valygar as her squire.

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* OddFriendship: She will, completely of her own accord, appoint Valygar as her squire. While he protests at first, he'll eventually just roll with it, and is later genuinely grateful to her for the honor.



* WhatTheHellHero: Will give you a speech to this effect if you don't behave uprightly.



** There are some smacks of this, though, in his interractions with Cernd. He fails to understand how Cernd can be a good person without being LawfulGood, and when Cernd makes an argument that good and evil, law and chaos are shifting tides best balanced out, Keldorn refuses to accept that any path except LawfulGood[[invoked]] is an acceptable one, which annoys Cernd.

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** There are some smacks of this, though, in his interractions interactions with Cernd. He fails to understand how Cernd can be a good person without being LawfulGood, and when Cernd makes an argument that good and evil, law and chaos are shifting tides best balanced out, Keldorn refuses to accept that any path except LawfulGood[[invoked]] is an acceptable one, which annoys Cernd.
4th Jun '16 11:45:55 PM rehberre
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* BoobyTrap: As a bounty hunter, he specializes in setting them.

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* BoobyTrap: As a bounty hunter, he specializes in setting them.them -- in fact, that's a compelling reason to take him along, because traps are very powerful.



* TheAlcoholic: Or son of TheAlcoholic, as the case may be.

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* TheAlcoholic: Or son of TheAlcoholic, as the case may be. {{Fanon}} actually tends to make him a teetotaler.



* [[spoiler: DrivenToSuicide:]] [[spoiler: If he kills Saerk and then his father, it's ''strongly'' implied that he takes his own life after leaving your party.]]

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* [[spoiler: DrivenToSuicide:]] [[spoiler: DrivenToSuicide: If he kills Saerk and then his father, it's ''strongly'' implied that he takes his own life after leaving your party.]]



** Finally, out of all the original love interests, he should be the ''least'' likely to get himself [[CutsceneIncompetence kidnapped by vampires]], especially if he's sufficiently leveled up. Besides his [[HolyHandGrenade cleric spells]], his TurnUndead rating can easily climb high enough to make vampires cry uncle or [[LudicrousGibs explode]]. That would make Bodhi's plan difficult, to say the least.



* {{Hypocrite}}: In a sense. In his blind passion for his own knighthood ideal he completely fails to realize that others such as [[SquareRaceRoundClass Mazzy]] or even [[TheChampion Minsc]] come much closer to the actual image of a paladin. His religious zeal also causes him to berate [[NatureHero Cernd]] for using the word duty in his presence, claiming that druids wouldn't know anything about duty. He is also unwilling to accept criticism from people like [[OldMaster Keldorn]] who try to rerail him onto the right path.
* IHaveNoSon: If he refuses to take revenge for his sister's death, his father disowns him.

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* {{Hypocrite}}: In a sense. In his blind passion for his own knighthood ideal he completely fails to realize that others such as [[SquareRaceRoundClass Mazzy]] or even [[TheChampion Minsc]] come much closer to the actual image of a paladin. His religious zeal also causes him to berate [[NatureHero Cernd]] for using the word duty in his presence, claiming that druids wouldn't know anything about duty. He is also unwilling to accept criticism from people like [[OldMaster Keldorn]] who try to rerail him onto the right path. \n Finally, at one point in the romance, he will call out a good-aligned Charname for not fighting against evil (keeping in mind that, at this point, he ''isn't Good himself'').
* IHaveNoSon: If he refuses to take revenge for his sister's death, his father disowns him.him on the spot. But, if he does kill Saerk (and you're romancing him), [[spoiler: his father will eventually disown him anyway for disgracing the family name.]]


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** JerkassHasAPoint: He's frequently wrong about a lot of things, but this trope does apply in one specific circumstance. [[spoiler: If the PC romancing him is a paladin, and through dialogue expresses a wish to join TheOrder, he won't call into question her dedication to the good. Instead, he will point out that she's got to do more than just talk about it.]] Coming from him, this is pretty understandable by comparison.
27th May '16 3:25:09 PM DeathMetalAlchemist
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** Amusingly enough, in Siege of Dragonspear, she helps the player oust a crusader spy in the coalition camp, although she was probably concerned for her own safety.

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** Amusingly enough, in Siege of Dragonspear, she helps the player oust a crusader spy in the coalition camp, although she was probably concerned for her own safety.safety, seeing as she was the one who pickpocketed the incriminating evidence.
25th May '16 6:02:55 PM rehberre
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* [[spoiler: DrivenToSuicide:]] [[spoiler: If he kills Saerk and then his father, it's ''strongly'' implied that he takes his own life after leaving your party.]]



* TrainingThePeacefulVillagers: His non-romanced ending. After the events of the game, he [[WalkingTheEarth aimlessly wanders]] for a few years until he ends up in Maztica. There, he starts training soldiers to defend themselves against a demon army, and ends up [[StartMyOwn founding a new order of Helmite knights.]]
* UnderstandingBoyfriend: Despite his other issues, if you continue his romance through [[BaldursGateIIThroneOfBhaal Throne of Bhaal]], he becomes this.

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* TrainingThePeacefulVillagers: His non-romanced ending. After the events of the game, he [[WalkingTheEarth aimlessly wanders]] for a few years until he ends up in Maztica. There, he starts training soldiers to defend themselves against a demon demonic army, and ends up [[StartMyOwn founding a new order of Helmite knights.]]
* UnderstandingBoyfriend: Despite his other issues, if you continue his romance through [[BaldursGateIIThroneOfBhaal Throne of Bhaal]], he becomes this.


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* OneLastJob: A heroic example, if you take him along after he reconciles with his wife. He will resign from the Order and promise Maria to stay home for good once he's finished helping you.
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