History Characters / ASongOfIceAndFireHouseStark

25th Nov '16 9:24:14 PM Euodiachloris
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* NothingPersonal: Arya averts this so hard that it's her main obstacle as a novice of [[spoiler: the Faceless Men]]. She takes justice ''very personally,'' but they aren't judges; they're tools who aren't allowed to take contracts on people they know and don't care whether the victims are good or evil.

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* NothingPersonal: Like her mother, Arya averts this so hard that it's her main obstacle as a novice of [[spoiler: the Faceless Men]]. She takes justice ''very personally,'' but they aren't judges; they're tools who aren't allowed to take contracts on people they know and don't care whether the victims are good or evil.



* PayEvilUntoEvil: Like her father and Jon, Arya has a ''very'' strong sense of right and wrong which she takes very personally. But, that doesn't mean she won't do wrong to pay wrong: [[KarmicDeath oh, she will]]. If she can get away with it. [[spoiler: The Faceless Men are trying to get her to shake this habit. With less-than-fantastic success.]] This is one Northern tradition she upholds to the hilt.

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* PayEvilUntoEvil: Like her father father, Jon and Jon, (strangely enough) her mother, Arya has a ''very'' strong sense of right and wrong which she takes very ''very'' personally. But, that doesn't mean she won't do wrong to pay wrong: [[KarmicDeath oh, she will]]. If she can get away with it. [[spoiler: The Faceless Men are trying to get her to shake this habit. With less-than-fantastic success.]] This is one Northern tradition she upholds to the hilt.
12th Nov '16 3:15:24 PM Everblaster
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* AncestralWeapon: Ice, a five-foot-long greatsword made of Valyrian steel. It's one of the last houses to have one. [[spoiler:It was melted down and turned into smaller swords after Eddard's death. Brienne's Oathkeeper is one of them.]]
** The current greatsword is a relatively young weapon (~400 years old), though the Starks of Winterfell always have had a legendary tradition of a sword by the name of Ice since the Age of Heroes, from which the current weapon was named.

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* AncestralWeapon: Ice, ''Ice'', a five-foot-long greatsword made of Valyrian steel. It's one of the last houses to have one. [[spoiler:It was melted down and turned into smaller swords after Eddard's death. Brienne's Oathkeeper is one of them.]]
** The current greatsword is a relatively young weapon (~400 years old), though the Starks of Winterfell always have had a legendary tradition of a sword by the name of Ice ''Ice'' since the Age of Heroes, from which the current weapon was named.
11th Nov '16 11:47:39 AM leraluna
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* ILetGwenStacyDie: He has never truly recovered from his sister's death, as his POV shows, and has kept ThePromise he made to her seemingly until his last day.



* ParentalSubstitute: As he fostered Theon Greyjoy in Winterfell he's this to him. Theon always longed [[WellDoneSonGuy for his or his actual father's approval]]. A {{deconstructed}} father figure, as Ned probably meant well as always but his gentle-but-distant approach to Theon has filled his already existing daddy issues and sense of estrangement which have influenced Theon's future choices and also his mental health.



* ShellShockedVeteran: The Rebellion traumatized Ned, particularly by the deaths of Rhaegar's family and Lyanna. Ned's recurring nightmares and flashbacks -- mostly concerning Lyanna, the Tower of Joy and the Sack of King's Landing -- in addition to his avoidance tendencies surrounding discussing these topics -- seem to suggest he suffers from PTSD. Along with his HonorBeforeReason, it has a strong influence on his decision-making, as he tries hard to avoid every possible bloodshed and subconsciously avoid having to re-experience the traumatic days that shaped him.

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* ShellShockedVeteran: The Rebellion traumatized Ned, particularly by the deaths of Rhaegar's family and Lyanna. Ned's recurring nightmares and flashbacks -- mostly concerning Lyanna, the Tower of Joy and the Sack of King's Landing -- in addition to his avoidance tendencies surrounding discussing these topics -- seem to suggest he suffers from PTSD. Along with his HonorBeforeReason, it has a strong influence on his decision-making, as he tries hard to avoid every possible bloodshed and subconsciously avoid having to re-experience the traumatic days that shaped him.


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** Also in his backstory during Robert's Rebellion he had an huge argument with Robert for the [[FamilyUnfriendlyDeath gratuitous violence]] used against Rhaegar's family and went off to fight the LastStand of Targaryen loyalists and find his sister. Only her could reconcile him with Robert.
7th Nov '16 1:26:04 AM cherrychels
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** Jaime Lannister. Ned believes in doing the right thing, is honorable and is known for [[HonorBeforeReason these qualities]], but will compromise this in some instances to do the right thing however, hes more discreet. Jaime very publicly gets his hands dirty all the time when he does the right thing, earning him an unsavory reputation that damages his self-esteem, even though he claims he doesn't care what anyone thinks.

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** Jaime Lannister. Ned believes in doing the right thing, is honorable and is known for [[HonorBeforeReason these qualities]], but will compromise this in some instances to do the right thing -- however, hes more discreet. Jaime very publicly gets his hands dirty all the time when he does the right thing, earning him an unsavory reputation that damages his self-esteem, even though he claims he doesn't care what anyone thinks.



** Roose Bolton. Ned loves his bastard son Jon Snow, openly acknowledges him as his child, and raises Jon in his home castle as part of the family alongside his trueborn children with a highborn upbringing. Roose, on the other hand, treats his bastard son Ramsay very poorly, leaves Ramsay to his peasant mother and only gives her money to keep Ramsay ''away'' from his home castle, refusing to acknowledge him until he has no other choice. Both Ned and Roose strongly follow the old ways of the First Men. For Ned, that means prioritizing the well-being of his subjects; for Roose, that means [[DroitDuSeigneur raping lowborn women]] on the basis of archaic, outlawed traditions. They also both married a woman from the Riverlands as part of a wartime alliance and ended up happy in those marriages.
** Cregan Stark. Like his distant descendant Ned, he's a Stark who loyally came south to serve his monarch. [[spoiler:In his time at King's Landing, he managed to succeed at everything that Ned failed -- namely ensuring a smooth succession for his ruler's heir after her death, cleaning out most of the more corrupt elements of the royal court, and ultimately returning home to Winterfell with his head still attached]].

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** Roose Bolton. Ned loves his bastard son Jon Snow, openly acknowledges him as his child, and raises Jon in his home castle as part of the family alongside his trueborn children with children, giving Jon a highborn upbringing. Roose, on the other hand, treats his bastard son Ramsay very poorly, leaves Ramsay to his peasant mother mother, and only gives her money to keep Ramsay ''away'' from his home castle, refusing to acknowledge him until he has no other choice. Both Ned and Roose strongly follow the old ways of the First Men. For Ned, that means prioritizing the well-being of his subjects; for Roose, that means [[DroitDuSeigneur raping lowborn women]] on the basis of archaic, outlawed traditions. They also both married a woman from the Riverlands as part of a wartime alliance and ended up happy in those marriages.
** Cregan Stark. Like his distant descendant Ned, he's a Stark who loyally came south to serve his monarch. [[spoiler:In his time at King's Landing, he managed to succeed at everything that Ned failed -- namely namely, ensuring a smooth succession for his ruler's heir after her death, cleaning out most of the more corrupt elements of the royal court, and ultimately returning home to Winterfell with his head still attached]].
6th Nov '16 11:40:15 PM cherrychels
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** Robb Stark and Jon Snow. While both fully commit to lives of hard duty, Robb is under a great deal more pressure and more tightly bound to his status as a king than Jon as a man of the Night's Watch, who frequently goes against the traditions and oaths he's sworn to live up to in the name of doing what's right. [[spoiler: Both break their vows (a vow of marriage for Robb and a vow of celibacy for Jon) by sleeping with women who are on the opposite side of the wars they're fighting; however, Jon breaks his vow partially out of necessity and ultimately refuses to forsake the Night's Watch due to his love for Ygritte, whereas Robb marries Jeyne, the Westerlands girl he had sex with, costing him his much-needed allies, who proceed to quite literally stab him in the back. They are equally foolish in their final moments, however, as both Robb and Jon make big plans to take out the bad guys while inadvertently offending the hell out of some dangerous people who are supposedly on their side.]]

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** Robb Stark and Jon Snow. While both fully commit to lives of hard duty, are moral, and share honourable traits, Robb is under a great deal more pressure and more tightly bound to his status as a king than Jon as a man of the Night's Watch, who frequently goes against the traditions tradition and oaths he's sworn to live up to in for the name sake of doing what's whats right. [[spoiler: Both At the same time, both brothers break their vows [[spoiler: (a vow of marriage for Robb and a vow of celibacy for Jon) by sleeping with women who are on the opposite side of the wars they're fighting; however, fighting. However, Jon breaks his vow partially out of necessity and ultimately refuses to forsake his loyalty to the Night's Watch due to his love for Ygritte, whereas Robb marries Jeyne, Jeyne Westerling, the Westerlands girl he had sex with, costing him his much-needed allies, who proceed to quite literally stab him in the back. They are equally foolish in their final moments, however, as both Robb and Jon make big plans to take out the bad guys while inadvertently offending the hell out of some dangerous people who are supposedly on their side.]]



** Jaime Lannister. Ned believes in doing the right thing but is afraid to get his hands dirty because it's [[HonorBeforeReason not honorable]]. Jaime gets his hands dirty all the time doing the right thing but it gives him an unsavory reputation and damages his self-esteem even though he says he doesn't care what anyone thinks.
** Tywin Lannister. Both of them are powerful, competent, and highly respected lords with a lot of sway in Kings Landing, but their methodologies are almost complete opposites. Eddard rules with respect and justice, Tywin rules through fear. Eddard leads by example, Tywin delegates. Both men value their families, but where Eddard loves his children unconditionally, Tywin approaches paternal duties as a cold necessity. They also both place a high value on honor, but whereas for Eddard that means always doing the right thing, Tywin is more concerned with his reputation.
** Stannis Baratheon. Both are second sons with a strong sense of duty, both helped Robert greatly during his rebellion, both rule grim and harsh areas of Westeros. Both try to clean up the corruption in the realm. However Stannis knows that being brutal is necessary, which enables him to survive longer. Ned is liked by Robert like a brother, while Robert doesn't get on with his actual brothers and is on especially bad terms with Stannis. Ned's accomplishments in the Rebellion are admired, Stannis doesn't get appreciated for his less glamorous role. Robert named Ned as Hand instead of Stannis, a title Ned didn't want and Stannis resented not getting considering all the help he had given Robert. Both are considered traitors by the majority of the realm but are in reality among the most moral and principled characters in a CrapsackWorld.
** Roose Bolton. Ned loves his bastard son Jon Snow and raises him in his own home, while Roose only gave his son's mother money to raise him away from the Dreadfort. Both strongly follow the old ways of the First Men. For Ned that means prioritizing the well-being of his subjects; for Roose that means [[DroitDuSeigneur raping lowborn women]]. They also both married a woman from the Riverlands as part of a wartime alliance and ended up happy in those marriages.

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** Jaime Lannister. Ned believes in doing the right thing but thing, is afraid to get his hands dirty because it's honorable and is known for [[HonorBeforeReason not honorable]]. these qualities]], but will compromise this in some instances to do the right thing however, hes more discreet. Jaime very publicly gets his hands dirty all the time doing when he does the right thing but it gives thing, earning him an unsavory reputation and that damages his self-esteem self-esteem, even though he says claims he doesn't care what anyone thinks.
** Tywin Lannister. Both of them are powerful, competent, and highly respected lords with a lot of sway in Kings Landing, but their methodologies are almost complete opposites. Eddard rules with respect and justice, Tywin rules through fear. Eddard leads by example, Tywin delegates. Both men value their families, but where Eddard loves all his children unconditionally, Tywin approaches paternal duties as a cold necessity. They also both place a high value on honor, but whereas for Eddard that means always doing the right thing, Tywin is more concerned with his reputation.
** Stannis Baratheon. Both are second sons with a strong sense of duty, both helped Robert greatly during his rebellion, both rule grim and harsh areas of Westeros. Both try to clean up the corruption in the realm. However Stannis knows that being brutal is necessary, which enables him to survive longer. Ned is liked by Robert like a brother, while Robert doesn't get on with his actual brothers and is on especially bad terms with Stannis. Ned's accomplishments in the Rebellion are admired, Stannis doesn't get appreciated for his less glamorous role. Robert named names Ned as Hand instead of Stannis, a title Ned didn't want and want, while Stannis resented not getting considering being considered for the position for all the help he had given Robert. Both are considered traitors by the majority of the realm but are are, in reality reality, among the most moral and principled characters in a CrapsackWorld.
** Roose Bolton. Ned loves his bastard son Jon Snow Snow, openly acknowledges him as his child, and raises him Jon in his own home, while Roose only gave home castle as part of the family alongside his son's trueborn children with a highborn upbringing. Roose, on the other hand, treats his bastard son Ramsay very poorly, leaves Ramsay to his peasant mother and only gives her money to raise him away keep Ramsay ''away'' from the Dreadfort. his home castle, refusing to acknowledge him until he has no other choice. Both Ned and Roose strongly follow the old ways of the First Men. For Ned Ned, that means prioritizing the well-being of his subjects; for Roose Roose, that means [[DroitDuSeigneur raping lowborn women]].women]] on the basis of archaic, outlawed traditions. They also both married a woman from the Riverlands as part of a wartime alliance and ended up happy in those marriages.



* GoodParents: He's probably the only father in this setting who is ''not'' an asshole. He loves all his children, including his bastard son, Jon Snow, who he raised along with his trueborn children.

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* GoodParents: He's probably the only father in this setting who is ''not'' an asshole. He loves all his children, including his bastard son, Jon Snow, who he raised along with alongside his trueborn children.
6th Nov '16 9:03:04 AM leraluna
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* {{Foil}}:
** Jaime Lannister. Ned believes in doing the right thing but is afraid to get his hands dirty because it's [[HonorBeforeReason not honorable]]. Jaime gets his hands dirty all the time doing the right thing but it gives him an unsavory reputation and damages his self-esteem even though he says he doesn't care what anyone thinks.
** Tywin Lannister. Both of them are powerful, competent, and highly respected lords with a lot of sway in Kings Landing, but their methodologies are almost complete opposites. Eddard rules with respect and justice, Tywin rules through fear. Eddard leads by example, Tywin delegates. Both men value their families, but where Eddard loves his children unconditionally, Tywin approaches paternal duties as a cold necessity. They also both place a high value on honor, but whereas for Eddard that means always doing the right thing, Tywin is more concerned with his reputation.
** Stannis Baratheon. Both are second sons with a strong sense of duty, both helped Robert greatly during his rebellion, both rule grim and harsh areas of Westeros. Both try to clean up the corruption in the realm. However Stannis knows that being brutal is necessary, which enables him to survive longer. Ned is liked by Robert like a brother, while Robert doesn't get on with his actual brothers and is on especially bad terms with Stannis. Ned's accomplishments in the Rebellion are admired, Stannis doesn't get appreciated for his less glamorous role. Robert named Ned as Hand instead of Stannis, a title Ned didn't want and Stannis resented not getting considering all the help he had given Robert. Both are considered traitors by the majority of the realm but are in reality among the most moral and principled characters in a CrapsackWorld.
** Roose Bolton. Ned loves his bastard son Jon Snow and raises him in his own home, while Roose only gave his son's mother money to raise him away from the Dreadfort. Both strongly follow the old ways of the First Men. For Ned that means prioritizing the well-being of his subjects; for Roose that means [[DroitDuSeigneur raping lowborn women]]. They also both married a woman from the Riverlands as part of a wartime alliance and ended up happy in those marriages.
** Cregan Stark. Like his distant descendant Ned, he's a Stark who loyally came south to serve his monarch. [[spoiler:In his time at King's Landing, he managed to succeed at everything that Ned failed -- namely ensuring a smooth succession for his ruler's heir after her death, cleaning out most of the more corrupt elements of the royal court, and ultimately returning home to Winterfell with his head still attached]].
** Rhaegar Targaryen. Like Eddard, Rhaegar was almost universally loved [[spoiler: and their supporters are resorting to frankly insane measures to restore their children to their rightful place as rulers of the realm]].
4th Nov '16 12:54:00 PM mercydracyel
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4th Nov '16 12:53:55 PM mercydracyel
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* ReplacementGoldfish: It's implied that the reason Ned indulged in her {{Tomboy}}ish traits (see the appointement of a private fencing tutor), its because of wanting to see her little sister Lyanna again through Arya, without [[ShellShockedVeteran reliving the memories from Robert's Rebellion]]. But, as described above, Ned expects her to grow out of this rebellious phase, so it's a bit {{downplayed}}

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* ReplacementGoldfish: It's implied that the reason Ned indulged in her {{Tomboy}}ish traits (see the appointement of a private fencing tutor), its because of wanting he wants to see her little sister Lyanna again through Arya, without [[ShellShockedVeteran reliving the memories from Robert's Rebellion]]. But, [[DeliberateValuesDissonance as described above, above]], Ned expects her to grow out of this rebellious phase, so it's a bit {{downplayed}}
3rd Nov '16 7:18:53 PM mercydracyel
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* ReplacementGoldfish: It's implied that the reason Ned indulged in her {{Tomboy}}ish traits (see the appointement of a private fencing tutor), its because of wanting to see her little sister Lyanna again through Arya, without [[ShelledShockedVeteran reliving the memories from Robert's Rebellion]]

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* ReplacementGoldfish: It's implied that the reason Ned indulged in her {{Tomboy}}ish traits (see the appointement of a private fencing tutor), its because of wanting to see her little sister Lyanna again through Arya, without [[ShelledShockedVeteran [[ShellShockedVeteran reliving the memories from Robert's Rebellion]]Rebellion]]. But, as described above, Ned expects her to grow out of this rebellious phase, so it's a bit {{downplayed}}
3rd Nov '16 7:14:49 PM mercydracyel
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