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26th May '18 8:29:39 AM Wyldchyld
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** The fandom is split on what they want the show to be. One half wants it comedic, with emphasis on character interactions and the occasional really cool fight scene. The other wants it to be a brutal war story where characters battle for the fate of the world. Canon mostly leans towards the first interpretation, but there are enough hints of CerebusSyndrome to justify the second.
** Once the series officially hit its CerebusSyndrome in Volume 3 there are now arguments about whether or not the series has gone too far in becoming DarkerAndEdgier. By the end of the volume three recurring characters are dead ([[spoiler: Penny, Torchwick and Pyrrha]]), [[spoiler: Beacon Academy has been destroyed, Ozpin has disappeared, Yang's [[AnArmAndALeg arm was sliced off]] and Team RWBY has been disbanded]]. For one half of the fandom these twists have caused DarknessInducedAudienceApathy to occur, the other half however feel that these twists give a lot more weight to the story and have made said fans more invested in the series. [[spoiler: Pyrrha's death]] is by far the most divisive, as many feel it was a terrible case of StuffedInTheFridge and [[spoiler: her motivations for going to fight Cinder]] were confused and rather contrived. Some feel that the death was noble and heroic and was a worthy exit for the character that will motivate the others for future volumes, but others feel that it was a needlessly cruel, poorly written, and even unnecessary death.
** Volume 4 continues this, with many fans criticizing its very slow pace, a dark and depressing tone mixed in with out of place comedy and out of character moments, [[spoiler: Pyrrha's death still not feeling worth it]], a revelation about Qrow's Semblance coming off as rather nonsensical, and [[spoiler: Ozpin's reincarnation as Oscar]] being seen as a very questionable and odd move. However some fans still praise the volume for its wonderful animation, epic fight scenes, creepy Grimm designs, voice acting, new characters, and world building, with Ren and Nora's backstory receiving special acclaim, even among those who absolutely hate the direction the story is going.
** Volume 5 had it even worse with people complaining about the writing and lack of action scenes ([[OffscreenMomentOfAwesome some relegated to not being shown]] didn't help), though others just liked how it felt less desolate after the past season and had [[FourLinesAllWaiting the separate storylines]] eventually converging again while propelling the overall plot forward.

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** The fandom is split on what they want final four episodes of Volume 3 - "PVP", "Battle of Beacon", "Heroes and Monsters" and "End of the show to be. One half wants it comedic, with emphasis on character interactions and the occasional really cool fight scene. The other wants it Beginning" - have proved to be a brutal war story where quite controversial with the fandom. Between the heavy DarkerAndEdgier tone these four episodes took, the deaths of three major and well-liked characters battle and the general NothingIsTheSameAnymore tone these episodes took threw everyone for a loop, sending the fate of fandom into a tizzy over the world. Canon massive changes done to setting. [[spoiler:The most controversial of these is Pyrrha's death, mostly leans towards due to the first interpretation, but suddenly-heated ShipToShipCombat that erupted from it and the levels of TrollingCreator Rooster Teeth is cultivating because of it.]]
** When Ruby [[TraumaticSuperpowerAwakening manifests]] a new ability at the end of Volume 3, the fandom divided sharply over whether or not it was a good addition to the show. Some fans feel that the event came out of nowhere with inadequate foreshadowing, while others argue that
there are enough hints of CerebusSyndrome subtle clues to justify suitably set up the second.
** Once
event. [[spoiler:Fans will criticize Ruby's power awakening, the series officially hit its CerebusSyndrome in Volume 3 there are now arguments about whether or not the series has gone too far in becoming DarkerAndEdgier. By the end killing off of the volume three recurring characters are dead ([[spoiler: Penny, Torchwick fan-favourite Pyrrha and Pyrrha]]), [[spoiler: Beacon Academy has been destroyed, Ozpin has disappeared, Yang's [[AnArmAndALeg arm was sliced off]] and Team RWBY has been disbanded]]. For one half of the fandom these twists have caused DarknessInducedAudienceApathy to occur, the other half however feel that these twists give a lot more weight to the story and have made said fans more invested in the series. [[spoiler: Pyrrha's death]] is by far the most divisive, as many feel it was a terrible case use of StuffedInTheFridge and [[spoiler: her motivations for going to fight Cinder]] were confused and rather contrived. Some feel that the death was noble and heroic and was a worthy exit for the character that will motivate the others for future volumes, but others feel that it was a needlessly cruel, poorly written, and even unnecessary death.
** Volume 4 continues this, with many fans criticizing its very slow pace, a dark and depressing tone mixed in with out of place comedy and out of character moments, [[spoiler:
Pyrrha's death still not feeling worth it]], a revelation about Qrow's Semblance coming off as rather nonsensical, and [[spoiler: Ozpin's reincarnation as Oscar]] being seen to trigger Ruby's awakening. Other fans support the foreshadowing argument, the death of Pyrrha as a necessary part of the story, the awakening of Ruby's powers and the link between Ruby's awakening and Pyrrha's death. The two subjects are very questionable controversial and odd move. However some fans still praise heavily entwined in the volume for its wonderful animation, epic fight scenes, creepy Grimm designs, voice acting, new characters, and world building, with Ren and Nora's backstory receiving special acclaim, even among those who absolutely hate fandom's consciousness because of they both happened in the direction the story is going.
** Volume 5 had it even worse with people complaining about the writing and lack of action scenes ([[OffscreenMomentOfAwesome some relegated to not being shown]] didn't help), though others just liked how it felt less desolate after the past season and had [[FourLinesAllWaiting the separate storylines]] eventually converging again while propelling the overall plot forward.
story.]]
12th Apr '18 6:00:03 PM Someoneman
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* The ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' fandom is split on what they want the show to be. One half wants it comedic, with emphasis on character interactions and the occasional really cool fight scene. The other wants it to be a brutal war story where characters battle for the fate of the world. Canon mostly leans towards the first interpretation, but there are enough hints of CerebusSyndrome to justify the second.
** Once the series officially hit it's CerebusSyndrome in Volume 3 there are now arguments about whether or not the series has gone too far in becoming DarkerAndEdgier. By the end of the volume three recurring characters are dead ([[spoiler: Penny, Torchwick and Pyrrha]]), [[spoiler: Beacon Academy has been destroyed, Ozpin has disappeared, Yang's [[AnArmAndALeg arm was sliced off]] and Team RWBY has been disbanded]]. For one half of the fandom these twists have caused DarknessInducedAudienceApathy to occur, the other half however feel that these twists give a lot more weight to the story and have made said fans more invested in the series.
*** [[spoiler: Pyrrha's death is by far the most divisive, as many feel it was a terrible case of StuffedInTheFridge and her motivations for going to fight Cinder were confused and rather contrived. Some feel that her death was noble and heroic and was a worthy exit for the character that will motivate the others for future volumes, but others feel that it was a needlessly cruel, poorly written, and even unnecessary death.]]
** Volume 4 continues this, with many fans criticizing its very slow pace, a dark and depressing tone mixed in with out of place comedy and out of character moments, [[spoiler: Pyrrha's death still not feeling worth it]], a revelation about Qrow's Semblance coming off as rather nonsensical, and [[spoiler: Ozpin's reincarnation as Oscar being seen as a very questionable and odd move.]] However some fans still praise the volume for its wonderful animation, epic fight scenes, creepy Grimm designs, voice acting, new characters, and world building, with Ren and Nora's backstory receiving special acclaim, even among those who absolutely hate the direction the story is going.

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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}''
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The ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' fandom is split on what they want the show to be. One half wants it comedic, with emphasis on character interactions and the occasional really cool fight scene. The other wants it to be a brutal war story where characters battle for the fate of the world. Canon mostly leans towards the first interpretation, but there are enough hints of CerebusSyndrome to justify the second.
** Once the series officially hit it's its CerebusSyndrome in Volume 3 there are now arguments about whether or not the series has gone too far in becoming DarkerAndEdgier. By the end of the volume three recurring characters are dead ([[spoiler: Penny, Torchwick and Pyrrha]]), [[spoiler: Beacon Academy has been destroyed, Ozpin has disappeared, Yang's [[AnArmAndALeg arm was sliced off]] and Team RWBY has been disbanded]]. For one half of the fandom these twists have caused DarknessInducedAudienceApathy to occur, the other half however feel that these twists give a lot more weight to the story and have made said fans more invested in the series.
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series. [[spoiler: Pyrrha's death death]] is by far the most divisive, as many feel it was a terrible case of StuffedInTheFridge and [[spoiler: her motivations for going to fight Cinder Cinder]] were confused and rather contrived. Some feel that her the death was noble and heroic and was a worthy exit for the character that will motivate the others for future volumes, but others feel that it was a needlessly cruel, poorly written, and even unnecessary death.]]
death.
** Volume 4 continues this, with many fans criticizing its very slow pace, a dark and depressing tone mixed in with out of place comedy and out of character moments, [[spoiler: Pyrrha's death still not feeling worth it]], a revelation about Qrow's Semblance coming off as rather nonsensical, and [[spoiler: Ozpin's reincarnation as Oscar Oscar]] being seen as a very questionable and odd move.]] move. However some fans still praise the volume for its wonderful animation, epic fight scenes, creepy Grimm designs, voice acting, new characters, and world building, with Ren and Nora's backstory receiving special acclaim, even among those who absolutely hate the direction the story is going.
28th Mar '18 11:03:26 AM Viira
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* ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'' almost universally like the first eight seasons, but then things get split: some don't like how [[Machinima/RedVsBlueTheProjectFreelancerSaga Seasons 9 and 10]] focus too much on exaggerated action sequences, [[Machinima/RedVsBlueTheChorusTrilogy Seasons 11 and 12]] went mostly well but the conclusion at season 13 earned criticism regarding certain plot points, the very idea of [[Machinima/RedVsBlueSeason14 Season 14]] being an anthology did not bode well with fans, and [[Machinima/RedVsBlueSeason15 Season 15]] is either downright SeasonalRot or just a funny standalone season. Then again, the fanbase's conflicts are very minor compared to another Creator/RoosterTeeth show...

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* ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'' fans almost universally like the first eight seasons, but then things get split: some don't like how [[Machinima/RedVsBlueTheProjectFreelancerSaga Seasons 9 and 10]] focus too much on exaggerated action sequences, [[Machinima/RedVsBlueTheChorusTrilogy Seasons 11 and 12]] went are mostly well well-liked but the conclusion at season 13 earned criticism regarding certain plot points, the very idea of [[Machinima/RedVsBlueSeason14 Season 14]] being an anthology did not bode well with fans, and [[Machinima/RedVsBlueSeason15 Season 15]] is either downright SeasonalRot or just a funny standalone season. Then again, the fanbase's conflicts are very minor compared to another Creator/RoosterTeeth show...
27th Mar '18 9:00:27 AM igordebraga
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* ''Machinima/RedVsBlue'' almost universally like the first eight seasons, but then things get split: some don't like how [[Machinima/RedVsBlueTheProjectFreelancerSaga Seasons 9 and 10]] focus too much on exaggerated action sequences, [[Machinima/RedVsBlueTheChorusTrilogy Seasons 11 and 12]] went mostly well but the conclusion at season 13 earned criticism regarding certain plot points, the very idea of [[Machinima/RedVsBlueSeason14 Season 14]] being an anthology did not bode well with fans, and [[Machinima/RedVsBlueSeason15 Season 15]] is either downright SeasonalRot or just a funny standalone season. Then again, the fanbase's conflicts are very minor compared to another Creator/RoosterTeeth show...


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** Volume 5 had it even worse with people complaining about the writing and lack of action scenes ([[OffscreenMomentOfAwesome some relegated to not being shown]] didn't help), though others just liked how it felt less desolate after the past season and had [[FourLinesAllWaiting the separate storylines]] eventually converging again while propelling the overall plot forward.
18th Feb '18 10:11:46 PM marcen12
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* Season four of [[WebVideo/TheMusicVideoShow The Music Video Show]]specifically the [[Main/BlackComedy Black Comedy]] Either it [[Main/GrowingTheBeard helped the show]] [[Main/CrossesTheLineTwice become funnier]] or it made the [[Main/SeasonalRot season]] [[Main/DudeNotFunny worse.]]

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* Season four of [[WebVideo/TheMusicVideoShow The Music Video Show]]specifically Show]], specifically the [[Main/BlackComedy Black Comedy]] Comedy]]. Either it [[Main/GrowingTheBeard helped the show]] [[Main/CrossesTheLineTwice become funnier]] or it made the [[Main/SeasonalRot season]] [[Main/DudeNotFunny worse.]]
18th Feb '18 10:10:07 PM marcen12
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* Season four of [[WebVideo/TheMusicVideoShow The Music Video Show]]. Either it has [[Main/GrowingTheBeard improved as the season went on]] with its increased presence of [[Main/BlackComedy dark humor]] or said [[Main/BlackComedy dark humor]] [[Main/DudeNotFunny went too far]] and made the show [[Main/SeasonalRot suffer as a result.]]

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* Season four of [[WebVideo/TheMusicVideoShow The Music Video Show]]. Show]]specifically the [[Main/BlackComedy Black Comedy]] Either it has [[Main/GrowingTheBeard improved as helped the season went on]] with its increased presence of [[Main/BlackComedy dark humor]] show]] [[Main/CrossesTheLineTwice become funnier]] or said [[Main/BlackComedy dark humor]] it made the [[Main/SeasonalRot season]] [[Main/DudeNotFunny went too far]] and made the show [[Main/SeasonalRot suffer as a result.]]worse.]]
18th Feb '18 9:57:14 PM marcen12
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* Season four of [[WebVideo/TheMusicVideoShow The Music Video Show]]. Either it has [[Main/GrowingTheBeard improved as the season went on]] with its increased presence of [[Main/BlackComedy dark humor]] or said [[Main/BlackComedy dark humor]] [[Main/DudeNotFunny went too far]] and made the show [[Main/SeasonalRot suffer as a result.]]
23rd Dec '17 10:35:49 AM nombretomado
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** Ironically, the Website/LiveJournal fans, which are far kinder, appear to average between three and four new topics a month, while the KeenSpot forum (the most vocal hatedom) has an active community and posts a thread for every new comic strip. It was debated whether Mookie was hanging a lampshade on his fans with Gregory Deegan's line at the end of [[http://dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2010-06-08 this strip]].

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** Ironically, the Website/LiveJournal fans, which are far kinder, appear to average between three and four new topics a month, while the KeenSpot {{Website/Keenspot}} forum (the most vocal hatedom) has an active community and posts a thread for every new comic strip. It was debated whether Mookie was hanging a lampshade on his fans with Gregory Deegan's line at the end of [[http://dominic-deegan.com/view.php?date=2010-06-08 this strip]].
6th Dec '17 1:41:37 PM Silverblade2
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** There's still a lot of people who would've preferred Ruby's [[TheStoic original]] [[WiseBeyondTheirYears characterization]] presented in the Red trailer, over her [[GenkiGirl canon personality]].
** Many fans disliked how the second season started to bring in more romance to the plot. Including Blake and Sun's ShipTease and the chain of UnrequitedLove between Pyrrha, Jaune, Weiss, Neptune and Yang. They saw it as the series becoming a school romance akin of Shoujo manga.
** Though a minor example, Jaune can be seen as this. Many fans believe he steals too much screentime from everybody on his team, and sometimes even team RWBY, and gets way more CharacterDevelopment than other characters that fans wanted to see too, such as Pyrrha.
5th Dec '17 7:40:56 AM bowserbros
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** ValuesDissonance also happens to play a big role in this argument as well. As some Japanese fanartists have noticed, in the west there's an unspoken rule of sorts that if whether or not you are allowed to perform a certain action is not explicitly stated, then that means it can be considered acceptable. However, the reverse is true in Japan: if you don't know whether or not it's okay for you to do something, you should assume that it's '''not''' okay, hence why Japanese fanartists tend to more often than not request not to post their works without explicit permission..
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