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* Want to start an argument on a HeavyMetal message board? Ask "Who is the better vocalist: [[Music/JudasPriest Rob Halford]] or [[IronMaiden Bruce Dickinson]]?" or "Should {{Rush}} be considered metal?"

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* Want to start an argument on a HeavyMetal message board? Ask "Who is the better vocalist: [[Music/JudasPriest Rob Halford]] or [[IronMaiden [[Music/IronMaiden Bruce Dickinson]]?" or "Should {{Rush}} be considered metal?"
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* ''{{Metallica}}'', because they [[ImportantHaircut cut their hair]]!

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* ''{{Metallica}}'', ''Music/{{Metallica}}'', because they [[ImportantHaircut cut their hair]]!
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* JasonAldean. Some enjoy the fact that he stands out with his hard rock influences in the country field, but others bash him as trading in the same stock country-boy tropes of any third-tier wannabe country singer in a cowboy hat.
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* A lighter example with {{Disturbed}}'s fan base over the old bassist [[StageNames Fuzz]] vs. the new bassist John Moyer.

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* A lighter example with {{Disturbed}}'s Music/{{Disturbed}}'s fan base over the old bassist [[StageNames Fuzz]] vs. the new bassist John Moyer.

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* Evanescence experienced this with the leaving of Ben Moody. Many fans love The Open Door and their SelfTitledAlbum, and think that both are as good as the original while diverging into different sounds. However, there is a large fan base that says Fallen was the best album hands down, and the other two were no where near close because Amy Lee isn't as talented as Ben Moody.
** There is also a section of fans that took great offense to Amy Lee denouncing their Christian Rock undertones stating that "It was Ben's thing, I never viewed the music like [[ChristianRock that.]]" Many fans who found the Christian tones the driving force were upset that Amy never viewed it that way.
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* KK Downing vs. Glenn Tipton of JudasPriest

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* KK Downing vs. Glenn Tipton of JudasPriestMusic/JudasPriest



* Want to start an argument on a HeavyMetal message board? Ask "Who is the better vocalist: [[JudasPriest Rob Halford]] or [[IronMaiden Bruce Dickinson]]?" or "Should {{Rush}} be considered metal?"

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* Want to start an argument on a HeavyMetal message board? Ask "Who is the better vocalist: [[JudasPriest [[Music/JudasPriest Rob Halford]] or [[IronMaiden Bruce Dickinson]]?" or "Should {{Rush}} be considered metal?"
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* The AvengedSevenfold fandom comes in about four camps: those who like only their older material, those who like only their newer material, those who like all their material except for the self-titled album, and those who like it all.

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* The AvengedSevenfold Music/AvengedSevenfold fandom comes in about four camps: those who like only their older material, those who like only their newer material, those who like all their material except for the self-titled album, and those who like it all.
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* KidRock has changed his music style several times over the years. Initially he was a rapper, then he made the very successful "Devil Without A Cause" which blended rap with rock & roll, and since then he has dabbled in SouthernRock, AC/DC-style HardRock, country, and even gospel. Naturally this has caused rifts in his fan base, with fans of his early stuff accusing him of "selling out" while fans of his newer stuff believe that

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* KidRock has changed his music style several times over the years. Initially he was a rapper, then he made the very successful "Devil Without A Cause" which blended rap with rock & roll, and since then he has dabbled in SouthernRock, AC/DC-style HardRock, country, and even gospel. Naturally this has caused rifts in his fan base, with fans of his early stuff accusing him of "selling out" while fans of his newer stuff believe thatthat he has grown and matured.

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* KidRock has changed his music style several times over the years. Initially he was a rapper, then he made the very successful "Devil Without A Cause" which blended rap with rock & roll, and since then he has dabbled in SouthernRock, AC/DC-style HardRock, country, and even gospel. Naturally this has caused rifts in his fan base, with fans of his early stuff accusing him of "selling out" while fans of his newer stuff believe that
* Want to start an argument on a HeavyMetal message board? Ask "Who is the better vocalist: [[JudasPriest Rob Halford]] or [[IronMaiden Bruce Dickinson]]?" or "Should {{Rush}} be considered metal?"
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* No love (or hate) for AliceInChains yet? The flamewars on youtube over Layne's death never die down, and he died seven years ago. Not to even mention William Duvall; entire cities have been warmed by the flames stemming from just one claim that he's better than Layne. And as though this isn't enough, they're set to release a new album, which looks to be just as debated as Chinese Democracy.

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* No love (or hate) for AliceInChains Music/AliceInChains yet? The flamewars on youtube over Layne's death never die down, and he died seven years ago. Not to even mention William Duvall; entire cities have been warmed by the flames stemming from just one claim that he's better than Layne. And as though this isn't enough, they're set to release a new album, which looks to be just as debated as Chinese Democracy.
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** In a similar vein: ''BlackSabbath''. OzzyOsbourne or RonnieJamesDio. 'Nuff said.

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** In a similar vein: ''BlackSabbath''. OzzyOsbourne ''Music/BlackSabbath''. Music/OzzyOsbourne or RonnieJamesDio. 'Nuff said.

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* Anything by {{Sade}} Post ''[[CrowningMusicOfAwesome love Delux]]'', Specifically when ''Lover's Rock'' came out continuing into ''Soldier Of Love''. Mostly because some feel that they are moving from the more organic, quiet storm, contemporary R&B/Soul, contemporary jazz fusion sound. And is now suffering from a mild form of [[{{Synthesizeritis}} modern production aesthetics]]. Others think they are just changing with the times, And that their music is still good.

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* Anything by {{Sade}} Post ''[[CrowningMusicOfAwesome love Delux]]'', Specifically when ''Lover's Rock'' came out continuing into ''Soldier Of Love''. Mostly because some feel that they are moving from the more organic, quiet storm, contemporary R&B/Soul, contemporary jazz fusion sound. And is now suffering from a mild form of [[{{Synthesizeritis}} modern production aesthetics]].aesthetics. Others think they are just changing with the times, And that their music is still good.
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* [[{{ACDC}} AC/DC]] fans are divided over which of AC/DC's two lead singers, Bon Scott or Brian Johnson, is better. The one thing that they are unified on is that ''Back in Black'' is an AWESOME ALBUM.[[hottip:*: For the record, even though Brian Johnson sang on that album, some of the songwriting was also already done by Bon Scott.]]

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* [[{{ACDC}} [[Music/{{ACDC}} AC/DC]] fans are divided over which of AC/DC's two lead singers, Bon Scott or Brian Johnson, is better. The one thing that they are unified on is that ''Back in Black'' is an AWESOME ALBUM.[[hottip:*: For the record, even though Brian Johnson sang on that album, some of the songwriting was also already done by Bon Scott.]]
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* ''{{Pantera}}'', especially when it comes to critics of Phil Anselmo and his supporters. The murder of Dimebag Darrell, the well-loved guitarist of the band at the hands of a fan of Anselmo, has made the situation [[IncrediblyLamePun fucking hostile]].

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* ''{{Pantera}}'', ''Music/{{Pantera}}'', especially when it comes to critics of Phil Anselmo and his supporters. The murder of Dimebag Darrell, the well-loved guitarist of the band at the hands of a fan of Anselmo, has made the situation [[IncrediblyLamePun fucking hostile]].
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** Anything involving Dave Mustaine counts, ''especially'' Metallica vs. {{Megadeth}}.

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** Anything involving Dave Mustaine counts, ''especially'' Metallica vs. {{Megadeth}}.Music/{{Megadeth}}.
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* While we're in GunsNRoses, ''Chinese Democracy''.

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* While we're in GunsNRoses, Music/GunsNRoses, ''Chinese Democracy''.
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* DreamTheater. Old music (''Images and Words'', ''Awake'') vs new music (''Train of Thought, ''Systematic Chaos''), Kevin Moore vs. Derek Sherinan vs. Jordan Rudess, too much keyboard vs. not enough keyboard, music is too heavy vs. music is too pop-like, who's the best lyricist?, songs are [[EpicRocking too long]], songs are too short...just about anything, really.

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* DreamTheater.Music/DreamTheater. Old music (''Images and Words'', ''Awake'') vs new music (''Train of Thought, ''Systematic Chaos''), Kevin Moore vs. Derek Sherinan vs. Jordan Rudess, too much keyboard vs. not enough keyboard, music is too heavy vs. music is too pop-like, who's the best lyricist?, songs are [[EpicRocking too long]], songs are too short...just about anything, really.
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** All [[DreamTeam supergroups]] seem to suffer from this to some extent. Go to any discussion about Stone Temple Pilots'' and mention the words "Velvet Revolver". [[InternetBackdraft It will get ugly]]. On the other hand, most {{ptitlewiz5pz1p}} fans seem to have a more universally positive opinion on Velvet Revolver. STP fans are also torn on Scott Weiland's solo project.

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** All [[DreamTeam supergroups]] seem to suffer from this to some extent. Go to any discussion about Stone Temple Pilots'' and mention the words "Velvet Revolver". [[InternetBackdraft It will get ugly]]. On the other hand, most {{ptitlewiz5pz1p}} Music/GunsNRoses fans seem to have a more universally positive opinion on Velvet Revolver. STP fans are also torn on Scott Weiland's solo project.

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Many popular bands suffer a [[BrokenBase fan division]] after the release of a [[NewSoundAlbum new album]]. Some get the same treatment with ''every'' album.

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Many popular bands suffer a [[BrokenBase fan division]] after the release of a [[NewSoundAlbum new album]]. Some get the same treatment with ''every'' album.
album. Just about every other band/group/singer/rapper/composer who have altered their musical style over the years has had to learn the hard way that there's a distinct trade-off between artistic integrity and maintaining the fanbase. This trope is ''much'' OlderThanTheyThink.



* Just about every other band/singer/composer who have altered their musical style over the years has had to learn the hard way that there's a distinct trade-off between artistic integrity and maintaining the fanbase. This trope is ''much'' OlderThanTheyThink.



** His Adrenalin Rush 2007 album caused even more controversy , because it was called adrenaline rush... and sounded ''nothing'' like the original...Baaaad idea.

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** His Adrenalin Rush 2007 album caused even more controversy , because it was called adrenaline rush... and sounded ''nothing'' ''[[InNameOnly nothing]]'' like the original...Baaaad idea.

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* {{Flyleaf}} has been having a slight Fan division since ''Memento Mori'' came out. Some of the fans dislike the album due to it's, arguably, (more explict) Christian undertones.

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* {{Flyleaf}} has been having a slight Fan division since ''Memento Mori'' came out. Some of the fans dislike the album due to it's, arguably, its [[YourMileageMayVary arguably]] (more explict) Christian undertones.undertones; they're NotChristianRock however their lyrics are tinted with Christian overtones due to their beliefs, and their second album is more obviously Christian than the first.
** The opposite has happened to a lot of ChristianRock bands such as {{Skillet}}. They're originally obviously Christian but later they become more secular and their messages more subtle; a majority of their fans don't even realize they're Christian, or notice the Christian overtone.
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** Or Prince after the symbol.
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* Fans of the Sugababes with Keisha vs fans of the lineup without her. Keisha was kicked out of the band in 2009, and replaced with another member. A huge argument erupted between fans of Keisha and fans that were willing to give the new version of the band a chance. The Keisha fans argued that the band wasn't Sugababes anymore without her (because she was a founding member), while the others argued that they should give the new lineup a chance and the music would still be the same no matter what.
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* Happened to rapper ''Mystikal'' after he left No Limit records and came out with the club friendly ''Let's Get Ready'' CD. Causing ''A LOT'' of ''Unpredictable/Ghetto Fabulous'' (his most beloved albums prior to the 00's) vs. ''Let's Get Ready'' album wars.

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* Happened to rapper ''Mystikal'' after he left No Limit records and came out with the club friendly ''Let's Get Ready'' CD. Causing ''A LOT'' of ''Unpredictable/Ghetto Fabulous'' (his most beloved popular albums prior to the 00's) vs. ''Let's Get Ready'' album wars.



** His Adrenalin Rush 2007 album caused even more controversy , because it was called adrenaline rush... and it didn't sound like the original...Baaaad idea.

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** His Adrenalin Rush 2007 album caused even more controversy , because it was called adrenaline rush... and it didn't sound sounded ''nothing'' like the original...Baaaad idea.
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*Happened to rapper ''Mystikal'' after he left No Limit records and came out with the club friendly ''Let's Get Ready'' CD. Causing ''A LOT'' of ''Unpredictable/Ghetto Fabulous'' (his most beloved albums prior to the 00's) vs. ''Let's Get Ready'' album wars.
*I wouldn't advise you to go to rapper Twista's message board and bring up anything after the Adrenalin Rush album (Twista's most beloved album, plus somewhat of a cult classic). Interestingly enough one Allmusic reviewer snarkily points this out when they reviewed his ''The Day After'' Album, Commenting that fans of Adrenalin Rush is gonna sneer at the album because it's filled with slick R&B productions. And that's ''exactly'' what happened.
** His Adrenalin Rush 2007 album caused even more controversy , because it was called adrenaline rush... and it didn't sound like the original...Baaaad idea.
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* ''{{Genesis}}'' have a fanbase generally split into three groups: Those who love the early Peter Gabriel-led albums and decry the later work as sellout pop garbage, those who love the later Phil Collins-led albums and dismiss the earlier work as pretentious nonsense, and those who love both eras and credit Tony Banks as the true mastermind of the band.

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* ''{{Genesis}}'' ''Music/{{Genesis}}'' have a fanbase generally split into three groups: Those who love the early Peter Gabriel-led PeterGabriel-led albums and decry the later work as sellout pop garbage, those who love the later Phil Collins-led PhilCollins-led albums and dismiss the earlier work as pretentious nonsense, and those who love both eras and credit Tony Banks TonyBanks as the true mastermind of the band.

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* ''{{Metallica}}'', because they [[ImportantHaircut cut their hair]]!
** More seriously, ''Ride the Lightning'' VS. ''Master of Puppets'' can also cause wars.
*** There is also the argument of whether [[strike:[[FanNickname Smell the Glove]]]] The Black Album was the first sell out album or Load was.
*** The death of Cliff Burton was a tragedy. But was Metallica any good after?
** Subverted though with "One", which was Metallica's very first music video; though the band swore they would never make music videos during the mid-80s, the HighOctaneNightmareFuel music video for "One" is widely loved by the fan's fans and was the only song from ''...And Justice For All'' that ended up becoming a mainstay in the band's live shows.
** Anything involving Dave Mustaine counts, ''especially'' Metallica vs. {{Megadeth}}.
*** Some say the video for One was the true starting point of their sellout. Usually they also mumble something about Cliff having joint The Great Gig in the Sky...

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* ''{{Metallica}}'', because they [[ImportantHaircut cut The AvengedSevenfold fandom comes in about four camps: those who like only their hair]]!
** More seriously, ''Ride the Lightning'' VS. ''Master of Puppets'' can also cause wars.
*** There is also the argument of whether [[strike:[[FanNickname Smell the Glove]]]] The Black Album was the first sell out album or Load was.
*** The death of Cliff Burton was a tragedy. But was Metallica any good after?
** Subverted though with "One", which was Metallica's very first music video; though the band swore they would never make music videos during the mid-80s, the HighOctaneNightmareFuel music video for "One" is widely loved by the fan's fans and was the
older material, those who like only song from ''...And Justice For All'' that ended up becoming a mainstay in the band's live shows.
** Anything involving Dave Mustaine counts, ''especially'' Metallica vs. {{Megadeth}}.
*** Some say the video for One was the true starting point of
their sellout. Usually they also mumble something about Cliff having joint The Great Gig in newer material, those who like all their material except for the Sky...self-titled album, and those who like it all.


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* ''{{Metallica}}'', because they [[ImportantHaircut cut their hair]]!
** More seriously, ''Ride the Lightning'' VS. ''Master of Puppets'' can also cause wars.
*** There is also the argument of whether [[strike:[[FanNickname Smell the Glove]]]] The Black Album was the first sell out album or Load was.
*** The death of Cliff Burton was a tragedy. But was Metallica any good after?
** Subverted though with "One", which was Metallica's very first music video; though the band swore they would never make music videos during the mid-80s, the HighOctaneNightmareFuel music video for "One" is widely loved by the fan's fans and was the only song from ''...And Justice For All'' that ended up becoming a mainstay in the band's live shows.
** Anything involving Dave Mustaine counts, ''especially'' Metallica vs. {{Megadeth}}.
*** Some say the video for One was the true starting point of their sellout. Usually they also mumble something about Cliff having joint The Great Gig in the Sky...
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Red Hot Chili Peppers are not metal, but funk-rock


* RedHotChiliPeppers have quite a large BrokenBase due to their evolution from a funk-punk band through to funk-metal mixed with the alternative rock they've produced in recent years. However, the fanbase are extremely divided on the album [[CreatorBreakdown One Hot Minute]], and starting a thread on a RHCP forum about it is not advised.

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* RedHotChiliPeppers have quite a large BrokenBase due to their evolution from a funk-punk band through to funk-metal more slow-paced funk mixed with the alternative rock they've produced in recent years. However, the fanbase are extremely divided on the album [[CreatorBreakdown One Hot Minute]], and starting a thread on a RHCP forum about it is not advised.
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* RedHotChiliPeppers have quite a large BrokenBase due to their evolution from a funk-punk band through to funk-metal mixed with the alternative rock they've produced in recent years. However, the fanbase are extremely divided on the album [[CreatorBreakdown One Hot Minute]], and starting a thread on a RHCP forum about it is not advised.
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* IcedEarth's fanbase are usually in agreement that their work up to and including Something Wicked This Way Comes kicks ass, but the fanbase is very divided afterwards. This is because of the band's decision to go for a more power metal sound, rather than the dark thrash they were known for. The singer Tim "Ripper" Owens is the most common reason for this, as he is incapable of singing in a deep register, unlike Matt Barlow who he replaced, so the band had to change their sound to fit him.
* Scooter's fanbase are divided on every album, due to the band's increasing reliance on uncredited cover songs and high pitched vocals, something which wasn't nearly as prevalent in their earlier years. In the case of the single "The Only One" there are those who like it because it has "the Scooter sound" and those who hate it because it sounds like a cheap imitation of them.
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* Japan's base are extremely split on whether their first two albums are worth listening to or not. People who like their first album Adolescent Sex usually think that David Sylvian has lost his sense of fun over the years with increasingly mature music. However, people who like the ambient music often wish Adolescent Sex never existed because it conflicts with their view of Sylvian as a melancholic recluse.

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