History BrokenBase / Music

13th Oct '17 1:04:44 PM Malady
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** When and where did TheGoldenAgeOfHipHop begin and end? Some say it's around the late 80's to early to mid 90's. A few hardliners say it's just the early to mid 80's only. Believers of the latter constitute a VocalMinority.

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** When and where did TheGoldenAgeOfHipHop UsefulNotes/TheGoldenAgeOfHipHop begin and end? Some say it's around the late 80's to early to mid 90's. A few hardliners say it's just the early to mid 80's only. Believers of the latter constitute a VocalMinority.
1st Oct '17 12:30:47 PM HighCrate
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* For Music/KillswitchEngage fans it's Jesse Leach VS. Howard Jones. Especially since Howard quit and Jesse returned as lead vocalist.

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* %%* For Music/KillswitchEngage fans it's Jesse Leach VS. Howard Jones. Especially since Howard quit and Jesse returned as lead vocalist.
1st Oct '17 10:40:03 AM nombretomado
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* For KillswitchEngage fans it's Jesse Leach VS. Howard Jones. Especially since Howard quit and Jesse returned as lead vocalist.

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* For KillswitchEngage Music/KillswitchEngage fans it's Jesse Leach VS. Howard Jones. Especially since Howard quit and Jesse returned as lead vocalist.
7th Sep '17 8:53:53 PM WillBGood
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** It runs much much deeper than this. Most of her fans seem to agree that her best work is ''Daydream'', or that it's at least up there. However, after that, it divides quite heavily. Some people like the poppier sound that was found in ''Music Box'' and in her debut, even as it was heavily influenced by R&B. However, ''Daydream'' saw her start to incorporate more of a current sound into her work, against the wishes of her [[AbusiveBoyfriend ex-husband]]. She then continued on this route with ''Butterfly'', picking up new fans that liked her more soulful sound. The people who loved the AC ballads complained that Mariah had lost her mind, but fans of her R&B leaning stuff stated she just sounds bored on ''Music Box'', which [[WordOfGod Mariah reportedly does not like]]. ''The Emancipation of Mimi'' saw the bases starting to get back together because it was compared favorably to everything she had done before. Sadly, there was another split when she went heavy on the current urban trends in ''E=mc2''.

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** It runs much much deeper than this. Most of her fans seem to agree that her best work is ''Daydream'', or that it's at least up there. However, after that, it divides quite heavily. Some people like the poppier sound that was found in ''Music Box'' and in her debut, even as it was heavily influenced by R&B. However, ''Daydream'' saw her start to incorporate more of a current sound into her work, against the wishes of her [[AbusiveBoyfriend [[DomesticAbuse ex-husband]]. She then continued on this route with ''Butterfly'', picking up new fans that liked her more soulful sound. The people who loved the AC ballads complained that Mariah had lost her mind, but fans of her R&B leaning stuff stated she just sounds bored on ''Music Box'', which [[WordOfGod Mariah reportedly does not like]]. ''The Emancipation of Mimi'' saw the bases starting to get back together because it was compared favorably to everything she had done before. Sadly, there was another split when she went heavy on the current urban trends in ''E=mc2''.



* R&B singer ''Brandy's'' ''Never Say Never'' album caused this. Some saying she was trying too hard to [[MultipleDemographicAppeal appeal to multiple demographics]]. The album was accused of targeting the whitebread A/C crowd, the bubblegum pop crowd, the hip urban street crowd.

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* R&B singer ''Brandy's'' Brandy's ''Never Say Never'' album caused this. Some saying she was trying too hard to [[MultipleDemographicAppeal appeal to multiple demographics]]. The album was accused of targeting the whitebread A/C crowd, the bubblegum pop crowd, the hip urban street crowd.
29th Aug '17 11:38:50 AM Twentington
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** ''Jekyll + Hyde'', their fourth full length album, is rife with this. Some fans view it as an interesting experiment in GenreRoulette which pushed the band's sound in new and interesting directions; others feel it was an overdone mess. One of the biggest points of contention was the single "Beautiful Drug", which featured elements of EDM. Some found this song exciting for its new sound; others felt that it was rampant trend-chasing, particularly in the wake of other EDM-influenced country acts such as Music/SamHunt (although it was released before Sam broke out, but the fact that Zac promptly announced an EDM-ish side project in wake of the song's release called Sir Rosevelt didn't help). Some stations were actually hesitant to even play it, to the point that the label sent out a more country-sounding remix.

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** ''Jekyll + Hyde'', their fourth full length album, is rife with this. Some fans view it as an interesting experiment in GenreRoulette which pushed the band's sound in new and interesting directions; others feel it was an overdone mess. One of the biggest points of contention was the single "Beautiful Drug", which featured elements of EDM. Some found this song exciting for its new sound; others felt that it was rampant trend-chasing, particularly in the wake of other EDM-influenced country acts such as Music/SamHunt (although it was released before Sam broke out, but the fact that Zac promptly announced an EDM-ish side project in wake of the song's release called Sir Rosevelt didn't help). Some stations were actually hesitant to even play it, to the point that the label sent out a more country-sounding remix.
28th Aug '17 8:22:24 AM Madam-Shogun-Assassin
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** Angela vs. Alissa
** There's a growing group of fans who believe that both Alissa White-Gluz, and Jeff Loomis are being wasted due to the perceived stifling control of Michael Amott.
19th Aug '17 11:28:28 AM TSims
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** The main division seems to be thus: pure HipHop fans, AlternativeRap fans, GangstaRap fans, PoliticalRap fans, HardcoreHipHop fans, and ConsciousHipHop fans are pitted (or pit themselves) against fans of overtly mainstream, pop-ish, "bling bling"-styled GlamRap, and arguably SwagRap[[note]]Swag Rap, fairly or not, is often seen as no different than Glam rap. Some don't even see it as rap, but another genre entirely[[/note]]. But to simplify it, it generally boils down to divisions between the normally underground/gutter/gangsta/anti-establishment/grimy/Alternative/gritty/political and conscious hip hop heads and the fans of artists that rhyme about material wealth, capitalist gain, and the like. The former groups don't get along that much either, but have some form of respect towards one another and tends to cross-pollinate. They seem to be [[TeethClenchedTeamWork united against the latter group of fans]]. Don't even get started on the regionalism, though; we'll be here all day.

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** The main division seems to be thus: pure HipHop fans, AlternativeRap fans, GangstaRap fans, PoliticalRap fans, HardcoreHipHop fans, and ConsciousHipHop fans are pitted (or pit themselves) against fans of overtly mainstream, pop-ish, "bling bling"-styled GlamRap, and arguably SwagRap[[note]]Swag Rap, fairly or not, is often seen as no different than Glam rap. Some don't even see it as rap, but another genre entirely[[/note]].entirely[[/note]], and eventually "Mumble Rap". But to simplify it, it generally boils down to divisions between the normally underground/gutter/gangsta/anti-establishment/grimy/Alternative/gritty/political and conscious hip hop heads and the fans of artists that rhyme about material wealth, capitalist gain, and the like. The former groups don't get along that much either, but have some form of respect towards one another and tends to cross-pollinate. They seem to be [[TeethClenchedTeamWork united against the latter group of fans]]. Don't even get started on the regionalism, though; we'll be here all day.



* Butcher Babies got criticism for the two lead singers performing topless with pasties. Others point out that it's an homage to performer Wendy O. Williams. But it's likely that most of their audience doesn't even know who that is.

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* Butcher Babies got criticism for the two lead singers performing topless with pasties. Others point out that it's an homage to performer Wendy O. Williams. But it's likely that most of their audience [[PopCultureIsolation doesn't even know who that is. is]]. When they caved in to the criticism people said they were selling out.
6th Aug '17 7:08:13 PM Twentington
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** ''Jekyll + Hyde'', their fourth full length album, is rife with this. Some fans view it as an interesting experiment in GenreRoulette which pushed the band's sound in new and interesting directions; others feel it was an overdone mess. One of the biggest points of contention was the single "Beautiful Drug", which featured elements of EDM. Some found this song exciting for its new sound; others felt that it was rampant trend-chasing, particularly in the wake of other EDM-influenced country acts such as Music/SamHunt. Some stations were actually hesitant to even play it, to the point that the label sent out a more country-sounding remix.

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** ''Jekyll + Hyde'', their fourth full length album, is rife with this. Some fans view it as an interesting experiment in GenreRoulette which pushed the band's sound in new and interesting directions; others feel it was an overdone mess. One of the biggest points of contention was the single "Beautiful Drug", which featured elements of EDM. Some found this song exciting for its new sound; others felt that it was rampant trend-chasing, particularly in the wake of other EDM-influenced country acts such as Music/SamHunt.Music/SamHunt (although it was released before Sam broke out, but the fact that Zac promptly announced an EDM-ish side project in wake of the song's release called Sir Rosevelt didn't help). Some stations were actually hesitant to even play it, to the point that the label sent out a more country-sounding remix.
26th Jul '17 8:51:30 PM Twentington
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** The mainstream country music fans can't get enough of the band's debut single "Chicken Fried" (it is hands-down their most downloaded song), but long-term fans seem to view it as their worst song, due to pandering, cliché lyrics about America and God, which seem far removed from the band's usual tropes.
** ''Jekyll + Hyde'', their fourth full length album, is rife with this. Some fans view it as an interesting experiment in GenreRoulette which pushed the band's sound in new and interesting directions; others feel it was an overdone mess. One of the biggest points of contention was the single "Beautiful Drug", which featured elements of EDM. Some found this song exciting for its new sound; others felt that it was rampant trend-chasing, particularly in the wake of other EDM-influenced country acts such as Music/SamHunt. It got to the point that the band actually sent out a remix that gave it a more country sound.

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** The mainstream country music fans can't get enough of the band's debut single "Chicken Fried" (it is hands-down their most downloaded song), but long-term fans seem to view it as their worst song, due to pandering, cliché lyrics about America and God, which seem far removed from the band's usual tropes.
tropes. (To be fair, it is subject to vast amounts of EarlyInstallmentWeirdness because they wrote it several years before it was actually released.)
** ''Jekyll + Hyde'', their fourth full length album, is rife with this. Some fans view it as an interesting experiment in GenreRoulette which pushed the band's sound in new and interesting directions; others feel it was an overdone mess. One of the biggest points of contention was the single "Beautiful Drug", which featured elements of EDM. Some found this song exciting for its new sound; others felt that it was rampant trend-chasing, particularly in the wake of other EDM-influenced country acts such as Music/SamHunt. It got Some stations were actually hesitant to even play it, to the point that the band actually label sent out a remix more country-sounding remix.
** To a lesser extent, there was also its followup "Castaway", which is either their best or worst OnceAnEpisode beach song: fans of the song find it a new and exciting twist on one of the band's recurring tropes, while detractors find it a tired rehash with annoying backing vocals
that gave it a more country sound.sound like they were sung by [[Disney/TheLittleMermaid Sebastian the crab]].
26th Jul '17 8:47:16 PM Twentington
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* CountryMusic, definitely. Country music blogs and message boards are replete with lengthy arguments over what constitutes genuine country music, and if modern mainstream Nashville pop-country fits the definition. This has only gotten stronger in TheNewTens as R&B, rap, and even EDM influences have invaded the genre, [[GenreAdultery even from established artists who rarely did so before]]. There are also the "alternative country" artists, whom many fans view as far more "authentic" than mainstream country, while fans of more mainstream acts view alternative country as pretentious and boring. Basically, someone who loves Music/FloridaGeorgiaLine or Music/LukeBryan is very unlikely to enjoy Jason Isbell or Sturgill Simpson, and vice-versa.

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* CountryMusic, definitely. Country music blogs and message boards are replete with lengthy arguments over what constitutes genuine country music, and if modern mainstream Nashville pop-country fits the definition. This has only gotten stronger in TheNewTens as R&B, rap, and even EDM influences have invaded the genre, both from hitmakers such as Music/SamHunt, Music/LukeBryan, Music/JasonAldean, Music/BrantleyGilbert, and Music/FloridaGeorgiaLine, and [[GenreAdultery even from established artists who rarely did so before]]. There are also the "alternative country" artists, whom many fans view as far more "authentic" than mainstream country, while fans of more mainstream acts view alternative country as pretentious and boring. Basically, someone who loves Music/FloridaGeorgiaLine or Music/LukeBryan the aforementioned artists is very unlikely to enjoy artists such as Jason Isbell or Isbell, Sturgill Simpson, Chris Stapleton, or Music/KaceyMusgraves, and vice-versa.



* Any 21st-century country act with a rock edge and a propensity towards Southern-themed songs, often about girls and/or trucks. Examples include Music/JasonAldean, Music/BrantleyGilbert, Music/LukeBryan, and Music/FloridaGeorgiaLine. Some like them for their accessibility and harder sound, while others think them to be posers who trade in one cliché for another in hopes of pleasing radio programmers. The movement has been dubbed "bro-country".



** And then ''One More Light'' came out, and it was a [[GenreShift pop album]]. Longtime fans of rock music were stunned and critics were harsh, however fans of Linkin Park that also enjoyed pop were much more accepting. Seemingly lead to a CreatorBreakdown with a frustrated Chester cursing at fans unwilling to accept the new sound.

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** And then ''One More Light'' came out, and it was a [[GenreShift pop album]]. Longtime fans of rock music were stunned and critics were harsh, however fans of Linkin Park that also enjoyed pop were much more accepting. Seemingly lead to a CreatorBreakdown with a frustrated Chester cursing at fans unwilling to accept the new sound.
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