Follow TV Tropes

Following

History BlueAndOrangeMorality / WesternAnimation

Go To

OR

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


--->'''Morty''': Well, summer, maybe people that create things aren't concerned with your delicate sensibilities, you know? Maybe the species that communicate with each other through the filter of your comfort are less evolved than the ones that just communicate! Maybe your problems are your own to deal with, and maybe the public giving a shit about your feelings is a one-way ticket to extinction!

to:

--->'''Morty''': Well, summer, Summer, maybe people that create things aren't concerned with your delicate sensibilities, you know? Maybe the species that communicate with each other through the filter of your comfort are less evolved than the ones that just communicate! Maybe your problems are your own to deal with, and maybe the public giving a shit about your feelings is a one-way ticket to extinction!
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Discussed by Morty, however, it was mainly because he was taking his frustrations out on Summer because he got rejected.
--->'''Morty''': Well, summer, maybe people that create things aren't concerned with your delicate sensibilities, you know? Maybe the species that communicate with each other through the filter of your comfort are less evolved than the ones that just communicate! Maybe your problems are your own to deal with, and maybe the public giving a shit about your feelings is a one-way ticket to extinction!
--->'''Rick''': Jeez, Morty. I take it Catherine Hefflefinger hasn't texted you back yet.
--->'''Morty''': (sullenly) I don't wanna talk about it...
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


-->'''Finn''': I'm... into Zanoits... they're the best!\\

to:

-->'''Finn''': --->'''Finn''': I'm... into Zanoits... they're the best!\\



'''Bubblegum''': Plantoids produce mellotoxin\\\

to:

'''Bubblegum''': Plantoids produce mellotoxin\\\mellotoxin\\



'''Bubblegum''': Mellotoxin kills zanoits!\\\
'''Finn''': So are zanoits.... good things?\\\

to:

'''Bubblegum''': Mellotoxin kills zanoits!\\\
zanoits!\\
'''Finn''': So are zanoits.... good things?\\\things?
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


'''Finn''': I'm... into Zanoits... they're the best!\\

to:

'''Finn''': -->'''Finn''': I'm... into Zanoits... they're the best!\\
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Blue and Orange conflict is demonstrated in a conversation between Princess Bubblegum and Finn.
'''Finn''': I'm... into Zanoits... they're the best!\\
'''Bubblegum''': Zanoits kill hundreds of thousands of plantoids each year.\\
'''Finn''': Oh no, not the plantoids!\\
'''Bubblegum''': Plantoids produce mellotoxin\\\
'''Finn''': ...\\
'''Bubblegum''': Mellotoxin kills zanoits!\\\
'''Finn''': So are zanoits.... good things?\\\
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
this is not portrayed as an alien mindset and lots of persons in real life believe that the idea of Brainwashing For The Great Good is morally acceptable.


** Ponies seem to consider being [[MindManipulation mind-controlled]] as something that just kinda happens, and if the controller has your best interest at heart, so much the better. Nobody bats an eye at Twilight's constant use of such magic (including one instance that reduced the town to shambles and another that sparked a riot), and Cadence is likewise allowed to brainwash an arguing couple into dropping the matter.
*** Similarly, nobody seems to have any problem with anypony (usually Twilight) magically preventing others from moving and then dragging them places.

Changed: 136

Removed: 23

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Dinobot in ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'': "I have honour, but it is PREDACON honour!" That seems to mean that if you don't trust your leader's competence, you usurp them; if said leader is unable to prevent this, that leader isn't fit to command.
** So, basically, Sith.

to:

* Dinobot in ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'': "I have honour, but it is PREDACON honour!" That seems to mean that if you don't trust your leader's competence, you usurp them; if said leader is unable to prevent this, that leader isn't fit to command.
**
command. If the predacon fails to usurp the leader clearly ''they'' are/were unfit to command. So, basically, Sith.[[Franchise/StarWars Sith Lords]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Ponies seem to consider being mind-controlled as something that just kinda happens, and if the controller has your best interest at heart, so much the better. Nobody bats an eye at Twilight's constant use of such magic (including one instance that reduced the town to shambles and another that sparked a riot), and Cadence is likewise allowed to brainwash an arguing couple into dropping the matter.

to:

** Ponies seem to consider being mind-controlled [[MindManipulation mind-controlled]] as something that just kinda happens, and if the controller has your best interest at heart, so much the better. Nobody bats an eye at Twilight's constant use of such magic (including one instance that reduced the town to shambles and another that sparked a riot), and Cadence is likewise allowed to brainwash an arguing couple into dropping the matter.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** Ponies seem to consider being mind-controlled as something that just kinda happens, and if the controller has your best interest at heart, so much the better. Nobody bats an eye at Twilight's constant use of such magic (including one instance that reduced the town to shambles and another that sparked a riot), and Cadence is likewise allowed to brainwash an arguing couple into dropping the matter.
*** Similarly, nobody seems to have any problem with anypony (usually Twilight) magically preventing others from moving and then dragging them places.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** For Meeseeks (who are actually blue and orange) their existence is based on performing a single given task and disappearing. Prolongued existence is extremely painful to them, making it understandable if they take some drastic measures to complete the task.
** Abradolf Lincler is a failed experiment of Rick to create a morally neutral super leader by combining DNA of Adolf Hitler and Abraham Lincoln. The result is an extremely morally confused and ambiguous being.

to:

** For Meeseeks (who are actually blue and orange) their existence sole GoalInLife is based on performing a single given task and disappearing. Prolongued existence is extremely painful to them, making it understandable if they take some drastic measures to complete the task.
** Abradolf Lincler is a failed experiment of Rick to create a morally neutral super leader by combining DNA of Adolf Hitler and Abraham Lincoln. The result is an extremely morally confused and ambiguous being.TorturedMonster.



** Unity is a parasitic entity living by assimilating other life forms into a collective hivemind, planning to enslave the whole universe. It however seems that the assimilated species, that we see in the show, is better off under its control.

to:

** Unity is a parasitic entity living by assimilating other life forms into a collective hivemind, HiveMind, planning to enslave the whole universe. universe and [[AGodAmI becoming a God]]. It however seems that the assimilated species, that we see in the show, [[NiceJobFixingItVillain is better off under its control.control]].
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Adding Rick and Morty. Feel free to repair my English or adjust the change to the community standards.

Added DiffLines:

* ''WesternAnimation/RickAndMorty'' is basically built around this trope, consistently contrasting straightforward morality of Morty with peculiar moralities of alien species.
** For Meeseeks (who are actually blue and orange) their existence is based on performing a single given task and disappearing. Prolongued existence is extremely painful to them, making it understandable if they take some drastic measures to complete the task.
** Abradolf Lincler is a failed experiment of Rick to create a morally neutral super leader by combining DNA of Adolf Hitler and Abraham Lincoln. The result is an extremely morally confused and ambiguous being.
** Transdimensional being known as Fart reveals before the end [[spoiler:that carbon-based life forms are like a disease to his species and that they plan to exterminate them]] appealing to Morty's own moral code for protecting life above everything else.
** Unity is a parasitic entity living by assimilating other life forms into a collective hivemind, planning to enslave the whole universe. It however seems that the assimilated species, that we see in the show, is better off under its control.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Taken to the extreme when [[spoiler: in the three-part finale where he and his fellow [EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]] treat [[RealityIsOutToLunch taking over the universe]] as a wild college party.]]

to:

** Taken to the extreme when [[spoiler: in the three-part finale where he and his fellow [EldritchAbomination [[EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]] treat [[RealityIsOutToLunch taking over the universe]] as a wild college party.]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Taken to the extreme when [[spoiler: in the three-part finale where he and his fellow [EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]] treat [[RealityIsOutToLunch taking over the universe] as a wild college party.]]

to:

** Taken to the extreme when [[spoiler: in the three-part finale where he and his fellow [EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]] treat [[RealityIsOutToLunch taking over the universe] universe]] as a wild college party.]]

Added: 214

Changed: 22

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** At one point, while [[DemonicPossession in Dipper's body]] he repeatedly causes harm to himself, proclaiming that '[[{{Sadist}} pain is hilarious]]!'

to:

** At one point, while [[DemonicPossession in Dipper's body]] he repeatedly causes harm to himself, proclaiming that '[[{{Sadist}} pain is hilarious]]!'is]] [[TooKinkyToTorture hilarious]]!'
** Taken to the extreme when [[spoiler: in the three-part finale where he and his fellow [EldritchAbomination Eldritch Abominations]] treat [[RealityIsOutToLunch taking over the universe] as a wild college party.]]



* [[spoiler:Peridot]] in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' is shown to view right and wrong in terms of the greater good of the Gem Empire, at one point describing an image of a hollowed-out Earth that couldn't possibly sustain life as "beautiful" because of how much it would have helped the Diamond Authority, compared to Earth's current situation of [[spoiler:having a gargantuan fusion abomination growing inside it, which wouldn't really benefit anyone]]; the only thing higher than this is her own survival. She also has trouble grasping the concept of romantic affection, creating a shipping grid for a TV show based on which pairing would gain the best tactical advantages, and puts so much stock in logic and reason that [[spoiler:she rebels upon learning that her superior is in fact motivated largely by spite]], despite not being particularly rational herself in many situations.

to:

* [[spoiler:Peridot]] in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' is shown to view right and wrong in terms of the greater good of the Gem Empire, at one point describing an image of a hollowed-out Earth that couldn't possibly sustain life as "beautiful" because of how much it would have helped the Diamond Authority, compared to Earth's current situation of [[spoiler:having a gargantuan fusion abomination growing inside it, which wouldn't really benefit anyone]]; the only thing higher than this is her own survival. She also has trouble grasping the concept of romantic affection, creating a shipping grid for a TV show based on which pairing would gain the best tactical advantages, and puts so much stock in logic and reason that [[spoiler:she rebels upon learning that her superior is in fact motivated largely by spite]], despite not being particularly rational herself in many situations.

Added: 893

Changed: 2

Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* The titular lovable ManChild of ''WesternAnimation/DanVs'' operates on a ''very'' skewed honor code and set of morals. He's willing to do just about ''anything'' in his pursuit of revenge but when it comes to the revenge itself he won't go farther than what he feels is deserved, such as hunting a werewolf who scratched his car so he can merely key the ''werewolf's car'', or halting his vengeance against a wild west theme park that "cheated him out of $20" after he felt the things he did trying to get said vengeance (such as sticking someone up and having a QuickDraw with the corrupt sherrif) was well worth the money he spent.

to:

* The titular lovable ManChild of ''WesternAnimation/DanVs'' operates on a ''very'' skewed honor code and set of morals. He's willing to do just about ''anything'' in his pursuit of revenge but when it comes to the revenge itself he won't go farther than what he feels is deserved, such as hunting a werewolf who scratched his car so he can merely key the ''werewolf's car'', or halting his vengeance against a wild west theme park that "cheated him out of $20" after he felt the things he did trying to get said vengeance (such as sticking someone up and having a QuickDraw with the corrupt sherrif) sheriff) was well worth the money he spent.spent.
* [[spoiler:Peridot]] in ''WesternAnimation/StevenUniverse'' is shown to view right and wrong in terms of the greater good of the Gem Empire, at one point describing an image of a hollowed-out Earth that couldn't possibly sustain life as "beautiful" because of how much it would have helped the Diamond Authority, compared to Earth's current situation of [[spoiler:having a gargantuan fusion abomination growing inside it, which wouldn't really benefit anyone]]; the only thing higher than this is her own survival. She also has trouble grasping the concept of romantic affection, creating a shipping grid for a TV show based on which pairing would gain the best tactical advantages, and puts so much stock in logic and reason that [[spoiler:she rebels upon learning that her superior is in fact motivated largely by spite]], despite not being particularly rational herself in many situations.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* The titular lovable ManChild of ''WesternAnimation/DanVs'' operates on a ''very'' skewed honor code and set of morals. He's willing to do just about ''anything'' in his pursuit of revenge but when it comes to the revenge itself he won't go farther than what he feels is deserved, such as hunting a werewolf who scratched his car so he can merely key the ''werewolf's car'', or halting his vengeance against a wild west theme park that "cheated him out of $20" after he felt the things he did trying to get said vengeance (such as sticking someone up and having a QuickDraw with the corrupt sherrif) was well worth the money he spent.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


*** That said, the Changeling Queen as an individual is strictly an aversion. She is consistently shown to be nothing more than a {{Manipulative B|astard}}itch who tortures innocent ponies solely to feed her own sociopathic pleasures.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* [[EldritchAbomination Bill Cipher]] of the Disney series ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' shows stark evidence of being Blue and Orange. In ''[[AllThereInTheManual Dipper and Mabel's Guide to Mystery and Nonstop Fun]]'', he wrote "Nostradamus was a hack! Morality is a mental cage designed by the weak! How's Annie?!"

to:

* [[EldritchAbomination Bill Cipher]] of the Disney series ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' shows stark evidence of being Blue and Orange. In ''[[AllThereInTheManual Dipper and Mabel's Guide to Mystery and Nonstop Fun]]'', he wrote "Nostradamus was a hack! Morality is a mental cage designed by the weak! How's Annie?!"[[ShoutOut How's]] [[TwinPeaks Annie?!"]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** At one point, while [[DemonicPossession in Dipper's body]] he repeatedly causes harm to himself, proclaiming that 'pain is Sadist hilarious!'

to:

** At one point, while [[DemonicPossession in Dipper's body]] he repeatedly causes harm to himself, proclaiming that 'pain '[[{{Sadist}} pain is Sadist hilarious!'hilarious]]!'
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** At one point, while [[DemonicPossession in Dipper's body]] he repeatedly causes harm to himself, proclaiming that 'pain is [[Sadist hilarious!]]'

to:

** At one point, while [[DemonicPossession in Dipper's body]] he repeatedly causes harm to himself, proclaiming that 'pain is [[Sadist hilarious!]]'Sadist hilarious!'
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* [[EldritchAbomination Bill Cipher]] of the Disney series ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'' shows stark evidence of being Blue and Orange. In ''[[AllThereInTheManual Dipper and Mabel's Guide to Mystery and Nonstop Fun]]'', he wrote "Nostradamus was a hack! Morality is a mental cage designed by the weak! How's Annie?!"
** In the series itself, he performs several strange actions for seemingly no reason at all, including ripping the teeth out of a deer, to which a character cried that he was insane. His response?
-->'''Bill''': Sure I am, what's your point?
**At one point, while [[DemonicPossession in Dipper's body]] he repeatedly causes harm to himself, proclaiming that 'pain is [[Sadist hilarious!]]'
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Square Peg Round Trope: Neither fact is sufficiently detached from good/evil to count.


* Cyrus from "WesternAnimation/TronUprising" thoroughly believes that the Grid is too corrupted to be saved, and thus thinks that destroying it s the only way to [[WellIntentionedExtremist free]] its inhabitants.
** He also firmly believes in the concept of destiny and that no-one truly has free will, as all their actions are predetermined by fate.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Not actually an example: Fugate was attempting vengeance on someone he felt ruined his life, not just someone who made him late once.


* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'': Temple Fugate, aka the Clock King, doesn't care about the actual concepts of good and evil so much as he does precision and its lack.
-->'''Batman:''' Stop this, Fugate! [[ShaggyDogStory Hill committed no crime against you!]]
-->'''Temple Fugate:''' [[FelonyMisdemeanor He did worse than that!]] ''[[HarmonyVersusDiscipline He made me late!]]''
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

** So, basically, Sith.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Chaos from ''WesternAnimation/AladdinTheSeries'' thought in terms of "predictable" and "unpredictable", and above all, fun for him.

to:

* Chaos from ''WesternAnimation/AladdinTheSeries'' thought in terms of "predictable" and "unpredictable", and above all, fun for him.him.
*Cyrus from "WesternAnimation/TronUprising" thoroughly believes that the Grid is too corrupted to be saved, and thus thinks that destroying it s the only way to [[WellIntentionedExtremist free]] its inhabitants.
**He also firmly believes in the concept of destiny and that no-one truly has free will, as all their actions are predetermined by fate.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None

Added DiffLines:

* ''WesternAnimation/AeonFlux'': [[WildCard Aeon]] and [[VillainWithGoodPublicity Trevor]] take their opposing ideologies to such extremes that they're very difficult to judge by realistic standards, and thus their conflict falls squarely into this. [[MindScrew C'mon, can anyone honestly say they knew what the show was actually about?]].
-->'''Trevor''': The dream to awaken our world.\\
'''Aeon''': ''You're'' out of control.\\
'''Trevor''': I ''take'' control... Whose side are you on?\\
'''Aeon''': I take no sides.\\
'''Trevor''': You're skating the edge.\\
'''Aeon''': I ''am'' the edge.\\
'''Trevor''': What you truly want, only ''I'' can give.\\
'''Aeon''': You can't give it, can't even buy it, and you just don't get it.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


* Chaos from ''WesternAnimation/AladdinTheSeries'' thought in terms of 'predictable' and 'unpredictable', and above all, fun for him.

to:

* Chaos from ''WesternAnimation/AladdinTheSeries'' thought in terms of 'predictable' "predictable" and 'unpredictable', "unpredictable", and above all, fun for him.
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
None


** Keep Calm and Flutter On reveals he [[spoiler:only needed a friend, proving once again, [[TitleDrop Friendship Is Magic.]] ]]

to:

** Keep "Keep Calm and Flutter On On" reveals he [[spoiler:only only needed a friend, proving once again, [[TitleDrop Friendship Is Magic.]] ]]
Is there an issue? Send a MessageReason:
Split from the main page due to length.

Added DiffLines:

%%
%%If you have time, please take time to put examples in alphabetical order. This page Administrivia/HowToAlphabetizeThings should help you with that.
%%
* Marceline the Vampire Queen in ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' openly acknowledges this, stating "I'm not mean, I'm [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld a thousand years old]], and [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GXrwi3GLVU I just lost track of my moral code".]] It mostly explains how she can be an example of DarkIsNotEvil while still being really terrifying at times.
* It's a possible trait of inhabitants of the Spirit World in ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''. Avatar Yangchen, the previous Air Nomadic Avatar, mentions to Aang that many Air Nomads have detached themselves from all worldly concerns and achieved spiritual enlightenment, but the Avatar can never do it because it's the Avatar's job to be the bridge between the physical world and the spiritual world, which requires them to be a part of the world they're protecting. It's likely the Avatar was created so that a powerful spiritual being could comprehend humanity and the concerns of the physical world, and thus not have blue and orange morality as a result of their detachment. From what we see of the other spirits - most of whom are capricious, whimsical, offhandedly cruel, violently attached to one single concept or another, or just plain alien - it was a necessary step.
** ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' confirms that the spirits' blue and orange morality was why the Avatar was created. Humans and spirits did not trust each other, and spirits frequently attacked humans with seemingly little provocation, except that humans were doing what they needed to do to survive. [[spoiler: During Wan's lifetime, the spirits' cruelty to humans as well as the effects of Raava and Vaatu's eternal struggle were precisely why Wan became the Avatar; after the Harmonic Convergence in which Vaatu was defeated and imprisoned, Wan decides to use his powers to send the spirits back to their world and close the spirit portals, to protect humanity and keep the peace among the four newly-united Lion Turtle cities.]]
* Dinobot in ''WesternAnimation/BeastWars'': "I have honour, but it is PREDACON honour!" That seems to mean that if you don't trust your leader's competence, you usurp them; if said leader is unable to prevent this, that leader isn't fit to command.
* In ''WesternAnimation/KingOfTheHill'', Hank Hill has some thoughts on this trope: "What kind of code lets you return a bag of shaving cream and not marry a girl you got knocked up?" Much of the show's humor comes from contrasting morality systems that will seem strange to either one or another group of characters in the show or the audience. For instance, an acceptable and encouraged tradition was called the "[=McMaynerbury=] Whuppin'," which involved the [=McMaynerbury=] school band beating the crap out of the Arlen mascot. When Bobby ran away because he didn't want to get beat up, they tried to have him stricken from the school yearbook.
* [[MadGod Discord]] of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' is certainly [[ForTheEvulz cruel and sadistic]], but he seems to view [[WorldOfChaos eternal chaos]] as an end rather than a means, describing [[RealityIsOutToLunch the new Ponyville]] as "beautiful" and seeing little difference between making it rain ([[MadeOfExplodium explosive]]) chocolate milk or driving a pony over the DespairEventHorizon. Further complicating the matter is it being unknown whether he's an AnthropomorphicPersonification or "merely" a very powerful RealityWarper (he refers to himself as the "spirit of chaos and disharmony", but that could be just a title).
** Keep Calm and Flutter On reveals he [[spoiler:only needed a friend, proving once again, [[TitleDrop Friendship Is Magic.]] ]]
** Discord seemingly claims higher ground when he says he doesn't turn his opponents to stone, implying that he considers his imprisonment a greater offense than anything he's done. Obviously, to an embodiment of chaos and change, being trapped in an unchanging form ''would'' be horrifying.
** The Changelings might be this, depending on whether they merely [[EmotionEater feed on love]] as a food source or if they exploit ThePowerOfLove to make themselves more powerful. If the former, their treatment of the ponies to them would be equivalent to cultivating livestock.
*** That said, the Changeling Queen as an individual is strictly an aversion. She is consistently shown to be nothing more than a {{Manipulative B|astard}}itch who tortures innocent ponies solely to feed her own sociopathic pleasures.
* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries'': Temple Fugate, aka the Clock King, doesn't care about the actual concepts of good and evil so much as he does precision and its lack.
-->'''Batman:''' Stop this, Fugate! [[ShaggyDogStory Hill committed no crime against you!]]
-->'''Temple Fugate:''' [[FelonyMisdemeanor He did worse than that!]] ''[[HarmonyVersusDiscipline He made me late!]]''
* Roger's species from ''WesternAnimation/AmericanDad'' has this, probably because they become violently ill if they aren't casually cruel. Or as Roger himself puts it, "Let out their bitchiness." They're also not above using ''live crash test dummies''.
* Chaos from ''WesternAnimation/AladdinTheSeries'' thought in terms of 'predictable' and 'unpredictable', and above all, fun for him.

Top