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4th Mar '17 11:07:57 AM nombretomado
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24th Feb '17 11:20:06 PM kensu
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* ItWillNeverCatchOn: A meta-example. When it became clear that Warner Brothers wasn't going to fund a fifth season, JerryDoyle put together a plan to finance the show through private investment using connections from his days as a stock-broker. He later noted that almost all of the backers came from SiliconValley. Yes, Jerry Doyle crowdfunded a season of a TV show in 1997! Straczynski didn't take the offer seriously, and settled for an agreement with TNT, who had already bought the reruns, to finance the fifth season (albeit at a reduced rate, causing a money crunch). That agreement ended up causing significant grief, and lead to the spin-off being canceled before a single episode aired.
15th Feb '17 4:36:17 PM Specialist290
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** G'Kar would have been subjected to a show-trial and very messy execution [[spoiler: had the trial not actually been part of Londo's plot to do the emperor in]]

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** G'Kar would have been subjected to Londo and Emperor Cartagia plan a show-trial and very messy execution for G'Kar once he's captured. [[spoiler: Cartagia would have carried it off had the trial not actually been part of Londo's plot to do the emperor in]]in.]]
27th Jan '17 9:02:46 AM CheeseDogX
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* IceCreamKoan: The Vorlon language seems to consist mostly of these. G'kar throws them out sometimes when disciples keep asking questions he has already explained he doesn't have an answer for and doesn't think anyone does.



* IfIWantedYouDead: Na'Toth's response when G'Kar accuses her of being an assassin sent to kill him.
* IfYoureSoEvilEatThisKitten: Sinclair is put in this situation in "The War Prayer" when he pretends sympathy with an earth-supremacist group so he can find out what they're up to.



* INeedAFreakingDrink: You would, too, if you had to deal with what happens on this station.
** PlayedForLaughs in one episode when Sheridan is about to confront the station's new political officer from Earth:
-->'''Ivanova''': "Got it. Anything else you need?"\\
'''Sheridan''': "A glass of whiskey, a gun, and two bullets."\\
'''Ivanova''': "Understood."
*** This is actually a [[GeniusBonus play on a practice of the British Army]] back in the imperial days, when officers (particularly those of noble birth) accused of heinous crimes would be given the option of a pistol with one shot, and a bottle of whiskey. Their subsequent "suicide" would be less damaging to their family than a trial.
** And PlayedForDrama when Garibaldi falls off the wagon and starts drinking again.
** Londo's love of wine goes from just another amusing part of his LargeHam personality to an InvokedTrope when it is revealed that [[spoiler: after he takes on a Drakh Keeper, he drinks heavily to put it to sleep, giving him some brief periods of freedom.]]
** Vir attempts to cope with [[spoiler: assassinating the Emperor]] by getting royally drunk. He tells Londo he did it because it always seemed to work for him.

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* INeedAFreakingDrink: You would, too, if you had to deal with what happens on this station.
IllPretendIDidntHearThat:
** PlayedForLaughs in one episode when Sheridan is about to confront the station's new political officer from Earth:
-->'''Ivanova''': "Got it. Anything else you need?"\\
'''Sheridan''': "A glass of whiskey, a gun, and two bullets."\\
'''Ivanova''': "Understood."
*** This is actually a [[GeniusBonus play on a practice of the British Army]] back in the imperial days, when officers (particularly those of noble birth) accused of heinous crimes would be given the option of a pistol with one shot, and a bottle of whiskey. Their subsequent "suicide" would be less damaging to their family than a trial.
** And PlayedForDrama when
When G'kar begins smuggling weapons through B5, Garibaldi falls off the wagon quickly catches on. In exchange for G'Kar fessing up and starts drinking again.
promising to move his hardware off-station, Garibaldi tacitly gives him a lead on an alternate (and much safer) route.
** Londo's love of wine goes When Sheridan accuses a Minbari [[spoiler:participating in a plot to get Sheridan removed from just another amusing part command of his LargeHam personality Babylon 5]] of lying, Delenn says that she will pretend she didn't hear that, and neither did Lennier (also present at the time), as accusations of Minbari lying were to an InvokedTrope be responded to with violence.
* ImGoingForACloserLook: Very, ''very'' bad idea upon encountering a Shadow vessel. And also true for most unidentified craft.
** [[spoiler:Warren Keffer]]'s FamousLastWords.
* ImmortalityImmorality: Jha'Dur, a Mengele-style [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate genocidal scientist]], gets the last laugh
when it is revealed that Earthforce grants her a pardon in exchange for her longevity serum. [[spoiler: after he takes on a Drakh Keeper, he drinks heavily to The Vorlons put it a quick stop to sleep, giving him some brief periods that nonsense and blow up her ship]]. It's actually ''far'' worse than that: in order to manufacture one dose of freedom.the serum, it's necessary to [[PoweredByAForsakenChild murder a sapient lifeform.]] She's [[EvilLaughter actively gloating that her "gift"]] will make humans into far worse genocides than her own species, right up to the point where [[spoiler: the Vorlons blow her away before she can hand over the formula.]]
** Vir attempts * ImportantHaircut: JMS liked to cope with [[spoiler: assassinating use Sheridan's hair style to symbolize where he is in his character arc. It started short, then got longer as he loosened up and got used to his role on the Emperor]] by getting royally drunk. He tells Londo station. Then, when he did became President of the Alliance, he cut it because it always seemed to work for him.short again, and grew a Van Dyke that Bruce Boxleitner absolutely hated.



* InsecureLoveInterest: Lennier takes four and a half seasons to admit that he's in love with Delenn.
* InstantlyProvenWrong: Early in the fourth season, after [[spoiler:Sheridan]] has seemingly died on the Shadow homeworld of Z'Ha'Dum, some of the League ambassadors try to rally a protest against Delenn's plan to attack Z'Ha'Dum full on, claiming that no one who goes to Z'Ha'Dum comes back, just as [[spoiler:Sheridan]] walks up and stands right next to them. The wind promptly goes out of their sails.
* ItsPersonalWithTheDragon: After finding out how Morden, the MouthOfSauron for the Shadows played him, Londo is furious and arranges a personal punishment for Morden that is implied to have included torture before Morden's eventual execution.
* ItWorksBetterWithBullets: Works better with the power cell, rather. Sheridan, fed up with an ongoing argument with no end in sight, puts his sidearm in the hands of the B-Plot-antagonist-of-the-week and offers to let them shoot him if they want. They back down. Sheridan later reveals to an apoplectic [[TheLancer Ivanova]] that he removed the power cell before handing his weapon over [[note]] Indeed, if you are paying attention, you can see him do just that, complete with the SignatureSoundEffect declining buzz-whine sound that always goes with that action.[[/note]].
* IWarnedYou: Delenn's righteously indignant speech before the Grey Council ("Severed Dreams").
* IWillOnlySlowYouDown: Zathras gets pinned by a fallen pole in "Babylon Squared", and tells Sinclair to leave him. [[spoiler: Luckily, Future Delenn returns to save him]].
* IWillPunishYourFriendForYourFailure: Following the re-enslavement of the Narn homeworld by the Centarui, the decree is passed that any attack on a Centauri citizen will be met with [[DisproportionateRetribution the deaths of 500 Narns]], including the perpetrator's own family.
* IllPretendIDidntHearThat:
** When G'kar begins smuggling weapons through B5, Garibaldi quickly catches on. In exchange for G'Kar fessing up and promising to move his hardware off-station, Garibaldi tacitly gives him a lead on an alternate (and much safer) route.
** When Sheridan accuses a Minbari [[spoiler:participating in a plot to get Sheridan removed from command of Babylon 5]] of lying, Delenn says that she will pretend she didn't hear that, and neither did Lennier (also present at the time), as accusations of Minbari lying were to be responded to with violence.
* ImGoingForACloserLook: Very, ''very'' bad idea upon encountering a Shadow vessel. And also true for most unidentified craft.
** [[spoiler:Warren Keffer]]'s FamousLastWords.



* IceCreamKoan: The Vorlon language seems to consist mostly of these. G'kar throws them out sometimes when disciples keep asking questions he has already explained he doesn't have an answer for and doesn't think anyone does.
* IfIWantedYouDead: Na'Toth's response when G'Kar accuses her of being an assassin sent to kill him.
* IfYoureSoEvilEatThisKitten: Sinclair is put in this situation in "The War Prayer" when he pretends sympathy with an earth-supremacist group so he can find out what they're up to.
* ImmortalityImmorality: Jha'Dur, a Mengele-style [[MorallyAmbiguousDoctorate genocidal scientist]], gets the last laugh when Earthforce grants her a pardon in exchange for her longevity serum. [[spoiler: The Vorlons put a quick stop to that nonsense and blow up her ship]]. It's actually ''far'' worse than that: in order to manufacture one dose of the serum, it's necessary to [[PoweredByAForsakenChild murder a sapient lifeform.]] She's [[EvilLaughter actively gloating that her "gift"]] will make humans into far worse genocides than her own species, right up to the point where [[spoiler: the Vorlons blow her away before she can hand over the formula.]]
* ImportantHaircut: JMS liked to use Sheridan's hair style to symbolize where he is in his character arc. It started short, then got longer as he loosened up and got used to his role on the station. Then, when he became President of the Alliance, he cut it short again, and grew a Van Dyke that Bruce Boxleitner absolutely hated.
* InTheHood: Delenn, whilst meeting with Marcus at his favorite tavern ("Ceremonies of Light and Dark").
** She also does this before revealing the change in her appearance.
** The Grey Council wears hoods that completely cover their heads (Minbari just love this trope). Oddly enough, they only really do it when in session, where presumably everyone in the room knows what they look like.


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* INeedAFreakingDrink: You would, too, if you had to deal with what happens on this station.
** PlayedForLaughs in one episode when Sheridan is about to confront the station's new political officer from Earth:
-->'''Ivanova''': "Got it. Anything else you need?"\\
'''Sheridan''': "A glass of whiskey, a gun, and two bullets."\\
'''Ivanova''': "Understood."
*** This is actually a [[GeniusBonus play on a practice of the British Army]] back in the imperial days, when officers (particularly those of noble birth) accused of heinous crimes would be given the option of a pistol with one shot, and a bottle of whiskey. Their subsequent "suicide" would be less damaging to their family than a trial.
** And PlayedForDrama when Garibaldi falls off the wagon and starts drinking again.
** Londo's love of wine goes from just another amusing part of his LargeHam personality to an InvokedTrope when it is revealed that [[spoiler: after he takes on a Drakh Keeper, he drinks heavily to put it to sleep, giving him some brief periods of freedom.]]
** Vir attempts to cope with [[spoiler: assassinating the Emperor]] by getting royally drunk. He tells Londo he did it because it always seemed to work for him.


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* InsecureLoveInterest: Lennier takes four and a half seasons to admit that he's in love with Delenn.
* InstantlyProvenWrong: Early in the fourth season, after [[spoiler:Sheridan]] has seemingly died on the Shadow homeworld of Z'Ha'Dum, some of the League ambassadors try to rally a protest against Delenn's plan to attack Z'Ha'Dum full on, claiming that no one who goes to Z'Ha'Dum comes back, just as [[spoiler:Sheridan]] walks up and stands right next to them. The wind promptly goes out of their sails.
* InTheHood: Delenn, whilst meeting with Marcus at his favorite tavern ("Ceremonies of Light and Dark").
** She also does this before revealing the change in her appearance.
** The Grey Council wears hoods that completely cover their heads (Minbari just love this trope). Oddly enough, they only really do it when in session, where presumably everyone in the room knows what they look like.


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* ItsPersonalWithTheDragon: After finding out how Morden, the MouthOfSauron for the Shadows played him, Londo is furious and arranges a personal punishment for Morden that is implied to have included torture before Morden's eventual execution.
* ItWorksBetterWithBullets: Works better with the power cell, rather. Sheridan, fed up with an ongoing argument with no end in sight, puts his sidearm in the hands of the B-Plot-antagonist-of-the-week and offers to let them shoot him if they want. They back down. Sheridan later reveals to an apoplectic [[TheLancer Ivanova]] that he removed the power cell before handing his weapon over [[note]] Indeed, if you are paying attention, you can see him do just that, complete with the SignatureSoundEffect declining buzz-whine sound that always goes with that action.[[/note]].
* IWarnedYou: Delenn's righteously indignant speech before the Grey Council ("Severed Dreams").
* IWillOnlySlowYouDown: Zathras gets pinned by a fallen pole in "Babylon Squared", and tells Sinclair to leave him. [[spoiler: Luckily, Future Delenn returns to save him]].
* IWillPunishYourFriendForYourFailure: Following the re-enslavement of the Narn homeworld by the Centarui, the decree is passed that any attack on a Centauri citizen will be met with [[DisproportionateRetribution the deaths of 500 Narns]], including the perpetrator's own family.
27th Jan '17 8:22:14 AM CheeseDogX
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* ImportantHaircut: JMS liked to use Sheridan's hair style to symbolize where he is in his character arc. It started short, then got longer as he loosened up and got used to his role on the station. Then, when he became President of the Alliance, he cut it short again, and grew a Van Dyke that Bruce Boxleitner absolutely hated.
3rd Jan '17 4:48:01 AM AFP
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** The Minbari's 'hat' as a race (regardless of caste) is LoopholeAbuse.

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** The Minbari's 'hat' as a race (regardless of caste) is LoopholeAbuse. And the RuleOfThree, of course.
2nd Jan '17 8:41:25 PM chrisjhaacke
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-->'''Londo:''' Everybody's cute. Except me. But in purple, ''I'm stunning!''

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-->'''Londo:''' Did I ever tell you [Delenn] that you are very cute for a Minbari? Even you [Garibaldi] are cute, in an annoying sort of way. Everybody's cute. Except cute! Everybody's cute! Even me. But in purple, ''I'm purple.. I'm stunning!''
21st Dec '16 3:08:41 PM Discar
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* AManIsNotAVirgin: Except for Marcus, who is still qualified to chase unicorns.
** Sort of. See the page for details.
7th Dec '16 6:52:55 AM AFP
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** It's unclear whether they did it intentionally, but Franklin (a rather gregarious guy normally) comes off as a real asshole in the DocumentaryEpisode ''And Now For a Word...'' Granted, he was having a rough day (and secretly battling a drug addiction), and the reporters seemed to like catching him while he was busy saving lives, but anyone who only saw the news report would think he's a total {{Jerkass}}.

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** It's unclear whether they did it intentionally, but Franklin (a rather gregarious guy normally) comes off as a real asshole in the DocumentaryEpisode ''And Now For a Word...'' Granted, he was having a rough day (and secretly battling a drug addiction), and the reporters seemed to like catching him while he was busy saving lives, but anyone who only saw the news report would think he's a total {{Jerkass}}. It doesn't help that, being a generally friendly guy personally, Franklin's professional behavior leans heavily towards being a DrJerk.
7th Dec '16 6:33:10 AM AFP
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** Earth Force One and her Starfury escort carry a full-body blue and white paintjob inspired by the RealLife Air Force One.
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