History Analysis / RevolutionaryGirlUtena

16th Oct '16 1:50:09 PM Monolaf317
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* ''Dios'' is in Greke an alternate form of the name Zeus, which most people don't know was in Antiquity much more commonly used then Zeus was.

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* ''Dios'' is in Greke an alternate form of the name Zeus, which most people don't know was in Antiquity much more commonly used then Zeus was.was.
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16th Jan '15 7:54:39 PM MithrandirOlorin
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: ''Dios'' is in Greke an alternate form of the name Zeus, which most people don't know was in Antiquity much more commonly used then Zeus was.

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: * ''Dios'' is in Greke an alternate form of the name Zeus, which most people don't know was in Antiquity much more commonly used then Zeus was.
16th Jan '15 7:53:35 PM MithrandirOlorin
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Anthy's name is derived from Anthea, an epithet for the Greek Goddess Hera, and there are quite a few parallels between them. Hera is mainly known as a goddess of weddings, tying in with Anthy's Rose Bride role, but she's also the sister and wife of Zeus, a notorious philanderer (or in many cases, a flat out rapist) which is a clear parallel to Akio. And in some versions of the myth Zeus actually tricked her by turning into a peacock, her favorite animal, and then raping her when she tried to help the poor creature, essentially forcing her to marry him afterwards (and some scholars think that this was a metaphor for the takeover of Hera's original goddess cult by the more patriarchal cult of Zeus). And Hera is infamous for being jealous of Zeus' various lovers and their children and inflicting curses and torture onto them, but rather than being a WickedWitch as she's often portrayed, especially in feminist literature, as this being her passing aggressively lashing out at Zeus himself since she can't attack him directly. All of this sounds a lot like Anthy.

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Anthy's name is derived from Anthea, an epithet for the Greek Goddess Hera, and there are quite a few parallels between them. Hera is mainly known as a goddess of weddings, tying in with Anthy's Rose Bride role, but she's also the sister and wife of Zeus, a notorious philanderer (or in many cases, a flat out rapist) which is a clear parallel to Akio. And in some versions of the myth Zeus actually tricked her by turning into a peacock, her favorite animal, and then raping her when she tried to help the poor creature, essentially forcing her to marry him afterwards (and some scholars think that this was a metaphor for the takeover of Hera's original goddess cult by the more patriarchal cult of Zeus). And Hera is infamous for being jealous of Zeus' various lovers and their children and inflicting curses and torture onto them, but rather than being a WickedWitch as she's often portrayed, especially in feminist literature, as this being her passing aggressively lashing out at Zeus himself since she can't attack him directly. All of this sounds a lot like Anthy.Anthy.
: ''Dios'' is in Greke an alternate form of the name Zeus, which most people don't know was in Antiquity much more commonly used then Zeus was.
1st Apr '13 7:43:14 PM Merlo
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Many shows have damsels in distress who are kidnapped/manipulated/[[AttemptedRape almost raped]]/almost killed/actually killed several times over...but plot devices dictate that these girls must remain [[IncorruptiblePurePureness improbably innocent and nice]] because if they lose their role as the group's [[TheChick "moral compass"]], the writers will have absolutely no idea what to do with her character, because they can't imagine a heroic woman outside the "cheerleader" role. (Plus, the Moe fanboys would freak out that their ''perfect little girl'' has been RUINED.) ''Revolutionary Girl Utena'' points out that in real life, most people, female or male, would start acting passive-aggressive and manipulative (stereotypically "evil") if repeatedly forced into bad situations where they can't seize any direct power. Examples include Shiori - whose sweet demeanor belies maliciousness and ''extremely'' low self-esteem - and, of course, Anthy. This is not to say that BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil, or that it's stupid to be remain nice after a tragedy. It's just pointing out a general trend: if weakness is imposed on a population en masse, like say, half the human race before the feminist movement rolled around...

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Many shows have damsels in distress who are kidnapped/manipulated/[[AttemptedRape almost raped]]/almost killed/actually killed several times over...but plot devices dictate that these girls must remain [[IncorruptiblePurePureness improbably innocent and nice]] because if they lose their role as the group's [[TheChick "moral compass"]], the writers will have absolutely no idea what to do with her character, because they can't imagine a heroic woman outside the "cheerleader" role. (Plus, the Moe fanboys would freak out that their ''perfect little girl'' has been RUINED.) ''Revolutionary Girl Utena'' points out that in real life, most people, female or male, would start acting passive-aggressive and manipulative (stereotypically "evil") if repeatedly forced into bad situations where they can't seize any direct power. Examples include Shiori - whose sweet demeanor belies maliciousness and ''extremely'' low self-esteem - and, of course, Anthy. This is not to say that BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil, or that it's stupid to be remain nice after a tragedy. It's just pointing out a general trend: if weakness is imposed on a population en masse, like say, half the human race before the feminist movement rolled around...
they will suffer psychological damage and will find ways to lash out, even doing self-sabotage in some cases.
5th Oct '12 9:42:27 AM Katsuhagi
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Anthy's name is derived from Anthea, an epithet for the Greek Goddess Hera, and there are quite a few parallels between them. Hera is mainly known as a goddess of weddings, tying in with Anthy's Rose Bride role, but she's also the sister and wife of Zeus, a notorious philanderer (or in many cases, a flat out rapist) which is a clear parallel to Akio. And in some versions of the myth Zeus actually tricked her by turning into a peacock, her favorite animal, and then raping her when she tried to help the poor creature, essentially forcing her to marry him afterwards. And Hera is infamous for being jealous of Zeus' various lovers and their children and inflicting curses and torture onto them, but rather than being a WickedWitch as she's often portrayed, especially in feminist literature, as this being her passing aggressively lashing out at Zeus himself since she can't attack him directly. All of this sounds a lot like Anthy.

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Anthy's name is derived from Anthea, an epithet for the Greek Goddess Hera, and there are quite a few parallels between them. Hera is mainly known as a goddess of weddings, tying in with Anthy's Rose Bride role, but she's also the sister and wife of Zeus, a notorious philanderer (or in many cases, a flat out rapist) which is a clear parallel to Akio. And in some versions of the myth Zeus actually tricked her by turning into a peacock, her favorite animal, and then raping her when she tried to help the poor creature, essentially forcing her to marry him afterwards.afterwards (and some scholars think that this was a metaphor for the takeover of Hera's original goddess cult by the more patriarchal cult of Zeus). And Hera is infamous for being jealous of Zeus' various lovers and their children and inflicting curses and torture onto them, but rather than being a WickedWitch as she's often portrayed, especially in feminist literature, as this being her passing aggressively lashing out at Zeus himself since she can't attack him directly. All of this sounds a lot like Anthy.
5th Oct '12 4:12:03 AM Katsuhagi
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Anthy's name is derived from Anthea, an epithet for the Greek Goddess Hera, and there are quite a few parallels between them. Hera is mainly known as a goddess of weddings, tying in with Anthy's Rose Bride role, but she's also the sister and wife of Zeus, a notorious philanderer. And in some versions of the myth Zeus actually tricked her by turning into a peacock, her favorite animal, and then raping her when she tried to help the poor creature, essentially forcing her to marry him afterwards. And Hera is infamous for being jealous of Zeus' various lovers and their children and inflicting curses and torture onto them, but rather than being a WickedWitch as she's often portrayed, especially in feminist literature, as this being her passing aggressively lashing out at Zeus himself since she can't attack him directly. All of this sounds a lot like Anthy.

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Anthy's name is derived from Anthea, an epithet for the Greek Goddess Hera, and there are quite a few parallels between them. Hera is mainly known as a goddess of weddings, tying in with Anthy's Rose Bride role, but she's also the sister and wife of Zeus, a notorious philanderer.philanderer (or in many cases, a flat out rapist) which is a clear parallel to Akio. And in some versions of the myth Zeus actually tricked her by turning into a peacock, her favorite animal, and then raping her when she tried to help the poor creature, essentially forcing her to marry him afterwards. And Hera is infamous for being jealous of Zeus' various lovers and their children and inflicting curses and torture onto them, but rather than being a WickedWitch as she's often portrayed, especially in feminist literature, as this being her passing aggressively lashing out at Zeus himself since she can't attack him directly. All of this sounds a lot like Anthy.
5th Oct '12 4:05:04 AM Katsuhagi
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In a fairy tale, a woman has to be a witch if she's not a princess. The only way to escape this fate is to leave the confining world of Ohtori. Meanwhile, Anthy is implied to be either a WickedWitch or a DamselInDistress. Different characters adon't realize that her personality isn't that flat.]] It seems that in-universe Damsels in Distress are accepted by society as Princesses and those who fight their fate, those who actually stop being submissive, are branded Witches. However, that said... [[FridgeBrilliance Revolutionary Girl Utena shows that women (and men) don't have to fit into cliches and can build their own persona beyond traditional stereotypes]].
Another series metatrope: Damsels in Distress and Wicked Witches in ''Revolutionary Girl Utena'' are ''very'' interchangeable. It only makes sense that the average person who stays helpless for too long will inevitably find unscrupulous ways of seizing power. It's also brilliant commentary on stories, because writers (and people) have traditionally been unable to imagine women outside the "Madonna/Whore Complex".

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In a fairy tale, a woman has to be a witch if she's not a princess. The only way to escape this fate is to leave the confining world of Ohtori. Meanwhile, Anthy is implied to be either a WickedWitch or a DamselInDistress. Different characters adon't don't realize that her personality isn't that flat.]] flat. It seems that in-universe Damsels in Distress are accepted by society as Princesses and those who fight their fate, those who actually stop being submissive, are branded Witches. However, that said... [[FridgeBrilliance Revolutionary Girl Utena shows that women (and men) don't have to fit into cliches and can build their own persona beyond traditional stereotypes]].
Another series metatrope: Damsels in Distress and Wicked Witches in ''Revolutionary Girl Utena'' are ''very'' interchangeable. It only makes sense that the average person who stays helpless for too long will inevitably find unscrupulous ways of seizing power. It's also brilliant commentary on stories, because writers (and people) have traditionally been unable to imagine women outside the "Madonna/Whore Complex".Complex".

!! Anthy and Hera
Anthy's name is derived from Anthea, an epithet for the Greek Goddess Hera, and there are quite a few parallels between them. Hera is mainly known as a goddess of weddings, tying in with Anthy's Rose Bride role, but she's also the sister and wife of Zeus, a notorious philanderer. And in some versions of the myth Zeus actually tricked her by turning into a peacock, her favorite animal, and then raping her when she tried to help the poor creature, essentially forcing her to marry him afterwards. And Hera is infamous for being jealous of Zeus' various lovers and their children and inflicting curses and torture onto them, but rather than being a WickedWitch as she's often portrayed, especially in feminist literature, as this being her passing aggressively lashing out at Zeus himself since she can't attack him directly. All of this sounds a lot like Anthy.
19th Jul '12 6:04:51 AM Telcontar
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Many shows have damsels in distress who are kidnapped/manipulated/[[AttemptedRape almost raped]]/almost killed/actually killed several times over...but plot devices dictate that these girls must remain [[IncorruptiblePurePureness improbably innocent and nice]] because if they lose their role as the group's [[TheChick "moral compass"]], the writers will have absolutely no idea what to do with her character, because they can't imagine a heroic woman outside the "cheerleader" role. (Plus, the Moe fanboys would freak out that their ''perfect little girl'' has been [[RuinedFOREVER RUINED]].) ''Revolutionary Girl Utena'' points out that in real life, most people, female or male, would start acting passive-aggressive and manipulative (stereotypically "evil") if repeatedly forced into bad situations where they can't seize any direct power. Examples include Shiori - whose sweet demeanor belies maliciousness and ''extremely'' low self-esteem - and, of course, Anthy. This is not to say that BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil, or that it's stupid to be remain nice after a tragedy. It's just pointing out a general trend: if weakness is imposed on a population en masse, like say, half the human race before the feminist movement rolled around...

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Many shows have damsels in distress who are kidnapped/manipulated/[[AttemptedRape almost raped]]/almost killed/actually killed several times over...but plot devices dictate that these girls must remain [[IncorruptiblePurePureness improbably innocent and nice]] because if they lose their role as the group's [[TheChick "moral compass"]], the writers will have absolutely no idea what to do with her character, because they can't imagine a heroic woman outside the "cheerleader" role. (Plus, the Moe fanboys would freak out that their ''perfect little girl'' has been [[RuinedFOREVER RUINED]].RUINED.) ''Revolutionary Girl Utena'' points out that in real life, most people, female or male, would start acting passive-aggressive and manipulative (stereotypically "evil") if repeatedly forced into bad situations where they can't seize any direct power. Examples include Shiori - whose sweet demeanor belies maliciousness and ''extremely'' low self-esteem - and, of course, Anthy. This is not to say that BeingTorturedMakesYouEvil, or that it's stupid to be remain nice after a tragedy. It's just pointing out a general trend: if weakness is imposed on a population en masse, like say, half the human race before the feminist movement rolled around...
3rd May '12 5:13:25 AM animeg3282
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!! Fairy Tale Motifs

WickedWitch : What a woman has to be in a fairy tale if she's not a princess. The only way to escape this fate is to leave the confining world of Ohtori. Meanwhile, Anthy is implied to be either a WickedWitch or a DamselInDistress. Different characters adon't realize that her personality isn't that flat.]] It seems that in-universe Damsels in Distress are accepted by society as Princesses and those who fight their fate, those who actually stop being submissive, are branded Witches. However, that said... [[FridgeBrilliance Revolutionary Girl Utena shows that women (and men) don't have to fit into cliches and can build their own persona beyond traditional stereotypes]].

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!! Fairy Tale Motifs

WickedWitch : What
Utena and Witches

In a fairy tale,
a woman has to be in a fairy tale witch if she's not a princess. The only way to escape this fate is to leave the confining world of Ohtori. Meanwhile, Anthy is implied to be either a WickedWitch or a DamselInDistress. Different characters adon't realize that her personality isn't that flat.]] It seems that in-universe Damsels in Distress are accepted by society as Princesses and those who fight their fate, those who actually stop being submissive, are branded Witches. However, that said... [[FridgeBrilliance Revolutionary Girl Utena shows that women (and men) don't have to fit into cliches and can build their own persona beyond traditional stereotypes]].stereotypes]].
Another series metatrope: Damsels in Distress and Wicked Witches in ''Revolutionary Girl Utena'' are ''very'' interchangeable. It only makes sense that the average person who stays helpless for too long will inevitably find unscrupulous ways of seizing power. It's also brilliant commentary on stories, because writers (and people) have traditionally been unable to imagine women outside the "Madonna/Whore Complex".
3rd May '12 5:11:27 AM animeg3282
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Arguably, given the [[RuleOfSymbolism color symbolism]] utilized for most of the major characters, the major secondaries with [[BrainyBrunette regular hair]] could be representations of being and feeling not special - the emotional complexes shown are pretty close to life. In addition to Wakaba's special complex, there's her childhood friend Tatsuya, who she calls the "onion prince." Mind, in Japan, referring to something as an onion means that [[StealthInsult it's second-rate]] - [[spoiler:hell, he even gets ''rejected'' from the Black Rose duels, even though his distress was probably more painful than some!]] Then there is Keiko, a part of a GirlPosse, completely subservient to Nanami for the sake of winning Touga's affections. [[spoiler:After Utena duels her, she realizes that she ''doesn't know her name,'' or the names of her fellow posse for that matter.]]

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Arguably, given the [[RuleOfSymbolism color symbolism]] utilized for most of the major characters, the major secondaries with [[BrainyBrunette regular hair]] could be representations of being and feeling not special - the emotional complexes shown are pretty close to life. In addition to Wakaba's special complex, there's her childhood friend Tatsuya, who she calls the "onion prince." Mind, in Japan, referring to something as an onion means that [[StealthInsult it's second-rate]] - [[spoiler:hell, he even gets ''rejected'' from the Black Rose duels, even though his distress was probably more painful than some!]] Then there is Keiko, a part of a GirlPosse, completely subservient to Nanami for the sake of winning Touga's affections. [[spoiler:After Utena duels her, she realizes that she ''doesn't know her name,'' or the names of her fellow posse for that matter.]]]]

!! Fairy Tale Motifs

WickedWitch : What a woman has to be in a fairy tale if she's not a princess. The only way to escape this fate is to leave the confining world of Ohtori. Meanwhile, Anthy is implied to be either a WickedWitch or a DamselInDistress. Different characters adon't realize that her personality isn't that flat.]] It seems that in-universe Damsels in Distress are accepted by society as Princesses and those who fight their fate, those who actually stop being submissive, are branded Witches. However, that said... [[FridgeBrilliance Revolutionary Girl Utena shows that women (and men) don't have to fit into cliches and can build their own persona beyond traditional stereotypes]].
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