History Analysis / MagicTheGathering

12th Dec '17 6:07:38 PM slvstrChung
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** The second was, apparently, Urza himself, as he is the first five-color Planeswalker [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439525 actually printed as a card. He has so many varied abilities that they actually can't be listed on the card; instead you go to a website, [[http://www.askurza.com AskUrza.com]], which rolls one of them up randomly. (As his offbeat mechanics imply, Urza is from one of the joke sets, where normal gameplay rules are relaxed.)

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** The second was, apparently, Urza himself, as he is the first five-color Planeswalker [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439525 actually printed as a card.card]]. He has so many varied abilities that they actually can't be listed on the card; instead you go to a website, [[http://www.askurza.com AskUrza.com]], which rolls one of them up randomly. (As his offbeat mechanics imply, Urza is from one of the joke sets, where normal gameplay rules are relaxed.)
12th Dec '17 6:07:12 PM slvstrChung
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** The second was, apparently, Urza himself, as he is the first five-color Planeswalker [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=439525 actually printed as a card. He has so many varied abilities that they actually can't be listed on the card; instead you go to a website, [[http://www.askurza.com AskUrza.com]], which rolls one of them up randomly. (As his offbeat mechanics imply, Urza is from one of the joke sets, where normal gameplay rules are relaxed.)
12th Dec '17 5:40:42 PM slvstrChung
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* [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=174852 Ajani Vengeant]] shows what Ajani was like in the aftermath of his brother's murder. Sarkhan Vol helped Ajani use that anger as fuel for power. His first loyalty ability locks down another creature for a turn, a very White ability in nature. His second loyalty ability deals 3 damage to a target while healing his controller for 3 life, a simple yet effective mix of Red and White. His third and most powerful loyalty ability ''destroys all lands a target player controls'', which is ''very'' Red in nature.

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* [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=174852 Ajani Vengeant]] shows what Ajani was like in the aftermath of his brother's murder. Sarkhan Vol helped Ajani use that anger as fuel for power. His first loyalty ability locks down another creature for a turn, a very White ability in nature. His second loyalty ability deals 3 damage to a target while healing his controller for 3 life, a simple yet effective mix of Red and White. His third and most powerful loyalty ability ''destroys all lands a target player controls'', controls''; while Red has become the color with the most land destruction, the original spell which says "Destroy ''all'' lands" is ''very'' Red in nature.the white [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=386284 Armageddon]].
5th Dec '17 7:47:51 AM me_zimm
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White's focus is on structure, civilization, and maximizing the greater good; Green values growth, strength, community, and sustainability; and Blue is all about progress, innovation, knowledge, and perfectionism. Taken together, these three colors are the most inclined to idealize how the world ought to be, and strive to make that ideal a reality - with Red being too impulsive or shortsighted, and Black being too self-absorbed or fatalistic. In a word, Bant is the color combo of {{utopia}}. Sustained development and ever-increasing abundance and prosperity are major themes here, particularly in terms of groups, civilizations, and even whole worlds - often with Green/Blue themes of exploration and evolution serving White's intentions for advancing society as a whole. It could also be thought of in terms of adding life and community to White/Blue legalism, or applying careful perfectionism to the white/green focus on the collective.

This can easily make this color combination the most benevolent, but it need not be so: with little tolerance for emotion and individual desires, it can also be the most oppressive, as it [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans inexorably advances towards building the utopia it believes it would achieve… IF it just got rid of those pesky dissenters]] with their [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill "selfish" and "destructive" desires for freedom and personal identity.]]

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White's focus is on structure, civilization, and maximizing the greater good; Green values growth, strength, community, and sustainability; and Blue is all about progress, innovation, knowledge, and perfectionism. Taken together, these three colors are the most inclined to idealize how the world ought to be, and strive to make that ideal a reality - with Red being too impulsive or shortsighted, and Black being too self-absorbed or fatalistic. In a word, Bant is the color combo of {{utopia}}. Sustained development and ever-increasing abundance and prosperity are major themes here, particularly in terms of groups, civilizations, and even whole worlds - often with Green/Blue themes of exploration and evolution serving White's intentions for advancing society as a whole. It could also be thought of in terms of adding life and community to White/Blue legalism, or applying careful perfectionism to the white/green White/Green focus on the collective.

This can easily make this color combination the most benevolent, but it need not be so: with little tolerance for emotion and individual desires, it can also be the most oppressive, as it [[UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans inexorably advances towards building the utopia paradise it believes it would achieve… IF it just got rid of those pesky dissenters]] with their [[TheEvilsOfFreeWill "selfish" and "destructive" desires for freedom and personal identity.]]
5th Dec '17 7:42:16 AM me_zimm
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White's focus is on structure, civilization, and maximizing the greater good; Green values growth, strength, community, and sustainability; and Blue is all about progress, innovation, knowledge, and perfectionism. Taken together, these three colors are the most inclined to idealize how the world ought to be, and strive to make that ideal a reality - with Red being too impulsive or shortsighted, and Black being too self-absorbed or fatalistic. In a word, Bant is the color combo of {{utopia}}. Sustained development and ever-increasing abundance and prosperity are major themes here, particularly in terms of groups, civilizations, and even whole worlds - often with Green/Blue themes of exploration and evolution serving White's intentions for advancing society as a whole. It could also be thought of in terms of adding life and community to White/Blue legalism, or applying carefup perfectionism to the white/green focus on the collective.

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White's focus is on structure, civilization, and maximizing the greater good; Green values growth, strength, community, and sustainability; and Blue is all about progress, innovation, knowledge, and perfectionism. Taken together, these three colors are the most inclined to idealize how the world ought to be, and strive to make that ideal a reality - with Red being too impulsive or shortsighted, and Black being too self-absorbed or fatalistic. In a word, Bant is the color combo of {{utopia}}. Sustained development and ever-increasing abundance and prosperity are major themes here, particularly in terms of groups, civilizations, and even whole worlds - often with Green/Blue themes of exploration and evolution serving White's intentions for advancing society as a whole. It could also be thought of in terms of adding life and community to White/Blue legalism, or applying carefup careful perfectionism to the white/green focus on the collective.
5th Dec '17 7:40:02 AM me_zimm
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White's focus is on structure, civilization, and maximizing the greater good; Green values growth, strength, community, and sustainability; and Blue is all about progress, innovation, knowledge, and perfectionism. Taken together, then, these three colors are the most inclined to idealize how the world ought to be, and strive to make that ideal a reality - with Red being too impulsive or shortsighted, and Black being too self-absorbed or fatalistic. Bant thereby best represents sustained development and ever-increasing abundance and prosperity, particularly in terms of groups, civilizations, and even whole worlds - often with Green/Blue themes of exploration and evolution serving White's intentions for advancing society as a whole.

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White's focus is on structure, civilization, and maximizing the greater good; Green values growth, strength, community, and sustainability; and Blue is all about progress, innovation, knowledge, and perfectionism. Taken together, then, these three colors are the most inclined to idealize how the world ought to be, and strive to make that ideal a reality - with Red being too impulsive or shortsighted, and Black being too self-absorbed or fatalistic. In a word, Bant thereby best represents sustained is the color combo of {{utopia}}. Sustained development and ever-increasing abundance and prosperity, prosperity are major themes here, particularly in terms of groups, civilizations, and even whole worlds - often with Green/Blue themes of exploration and evolution serving White's intentions for advancing society as a whole.
whole. It could also be thought of in terms of adding life and community to White/Blue legalism, or applying carefup perfectionism to the white/green focus on the collective.




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* The mostly-good (if somewhat cold and dispassionate) Moonfolk planeswalker Tamiyo was changed to Bant colors in her Eldritch Moon incarnation. Tamiyo is storyteller who records stories from the various worlds and civilizations she visits, writing them in scrolls and taking them home to be preserved in the Grand Library on Kamigawa. Her original color identity in the Innistrad block was mono-Blue, suggesting her central focus on acquiring knowledge; however, rather than hoarding knowledge for her own interests (Blue/Black) or excitement (Blue/Red) or even to benefit the rest of society (Blue/White), Tamiyo wants to preserve knowledge for its own sake (Blue/Green, in the vein of Kruphix). White, meanwhile, represents her firm dedication to her family, culture, and code of ethics - for example, by refusing to open her ironbound scrolls, even when it is pointed out that they could save her life. Notably, however, she initially does NOT want to get involved in or try to prevent the imminent destruction of Innistrad - a distinctly Green approach to morality.




* Atrus from ''{{Myst}}'' is an excellent example of a benevolent and well-balanced Bant character: his keen scientific intellect and insatiable curiosity (Blue) are tempered by - and even enhance - his strong desire to carefully preserve the natural orders that underlie the Ages he writes (Green). His White side most clearly manifests when he is driven to defend the native peoples and civilizations that have developed within the Ages written by his villainous father, Gehn.

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* Atrus from ''{{Myst}}'' is an excellent example of a benevolent and well-balanced Bant character: hero: his keen scientific intellect and insatiable curiosity (Blue) are tempered by - and even enhance - his strong desire to carefully preserve the natural orders that underlie the Ages he writes (Green). His Atrus is very White side most clearly manifests when he is driven to defend in his concern with preserving civilizations as well as worlds: from protecting the native peoples and civilizations that have developed within societies of the Ages written by his villainous father, Gehn.
[[ArchnemesisDad Gehn]], to finding a new home for what remains of the D'ni people.
3rd Dec '17 10:49:28 AM nombretomado
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--> '''[[AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] "I see Batman as a figure, ultimately, about how one can rise above tragedy to do good in the world and improve yourself. He is brusque, yes, but not heartless. Aggressive, but not unethical. He drives himself to the extremes he does, sacrifices himself and his happiness at times for one goal — so that no other eight-year-old child will ever have to go through what he did. Sometimes he goes too far and sometimes he makes mistakes, but that's because he's not a god, nor should he be. He is human. If Superman represents the hope and compassion humanity is capable of, Batman represents the determination and intellect we are also capable of. Superman's worst foe is Lex Luthor, a wealthy genius who uses his power for evil, but Superman's best friend is Batman, a wealthy genius who uses his power for good."

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--> '''[[AtopTheFourthWall '''[[WebVideo/AtopTheFourthWall Linkara]] "I see Batman as a figure, ultimately, about how one can rise above tragedy to do good in the world and improve yourself. He is brusque, yes, but not heartless. Aggressive, but not unethical. He drives himself to the extremes he does, sacrifices himself and his happiness at times for one goal — so that no other eight-year-old child will ever have to go through what he did. Sometimes he goes too far and sometimes he makes mistakes, but that's because he's not a god, nor should he be. He is human. If Superman represents the hope and compassion humanity is capable of, Batman represents the determination and intellect we are also capable of. Superman's worst foe is Lex Luthor, a wealthy genius who uses his power for evil, but Superman's best friend is Batman, a wealthy genius who uses his power for good."
21st Nov '17 10:58:28 AM foxmccloud4387
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* [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=433277 Edgar Markov]], grandfather of the oldwalker Sorin Markov, and Innistrad's very first vampire. As something of a ShadowArchetype of Sorin, Edgar shares his grandson's Black/White nature; after all, order is necessary to keep the Markov clan alive for thousands of years. But unlike Sorin, whose White alignment lets him believe enough in order to create Avacyn and stop the vampires from driving Innistrad extinct, Edgar is instead just as influenced by Red, which shows in the Markov clan's hedonistic desire for blood and their resentment for the system enforced by Avacyn.

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* [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=433277 Edgar Markov]], grandfather of the oldwalker Sorin Markov, and Innistrad's very first vampire. As something of a ShadowArchetype of Sorin, Edgar shares his grandson's Black/White nature; after all, order is necessary to keep the Markov clan alive for thousands of years. But unlike Sorin, whose White alignment lets him believe enough in order to create Avacyn and stop the vampires from driving Innistrad extinct, Edgar is instead just as influenced by Red, which shows in the Markov clan's hedonistic desire for blood and their resentment for of the system enforced by Avacyn.
21st Nov '17 10:58:15 AM foxmccloud4387
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* [[http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=433277 Edgar Markov]], grandfather of the oldwalker Sorin Markov, and Innistrad's very first vampire. As something of a ShadowArchetype of Sorin, Edgar shares his grandson's Black/White nature; after all, order is necessary to keep the Markov clan alive for thousands of years. But unlike Sorin, whose White alignment lets him believe enough in order to create Avacyn and stop the vampires from driving Innistrad extinct, Edgar is instead just as influenced by Red, which shows in the Markov clan's hedonistic desire for blood and their resentment for the system enforced by Avacyn.
14th Nov '17 12:19:13 PM foxmccloud4387
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* Monika from ''VisualNovel/DokiDokiLiteratureClub'' has this color combination, though as the game's biggest WalkingSpoiler she only reveals this after a crucial plot twist. [[spoiler:She's very Black in that she's willing to do anything to be with the player, the only real person she can contact in a shallow, pre-programmed virtual world - even if it means deleting the rest of her friends. However, despite trying to be cold-hearted about it, Monika still cares for her friends enough that she restores them just before her own deletion, which fits in Green's desire to help one's companions. Furthermore, when alone with the player, she talks about various Black and Green habits and beliefs that mesh together into a personal philosophy of hers: she considers the world too imperfect for there to be a benevolent God, and thinks that the key to happiness is being selfish rather than concerning yourself about the many problems of the world (Black), but she believes that people's unhappiness comes from the realization that they take a lot more from the world than they give back, and thus she wants to be a net-positive and strive to "pay back my lifetime's worth of consumption" (Green). Furthermore, she's a vegetarian, but for the pragmatic reason that meat production has a very poor carbon footprint.]]

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* Monika from ''VisualNovel/DokiDokiLiteratureClub'' has this color combination, though as the game's biggest WalkingSpoiler she only reveals this after a crucial plot twist. [[spoiler:She's very Black in that she's willing to do anything to be with the player, the only real person she can contact in a shallow, pre-programmed virtual world - even if it means deleting the rest of her friends. However, despite trying to be cold-hearted about it, Monika still cares for her friends enough that she restores them just before her own deletion, which fits in Green's desire to help one's companions. Furthermore, when alone with the player, she talks about various Black and Green habits and beliefs that mesh together into a personal philosophy of hers: she considers the world too imperfect for there to be a benevolent God, and thinks that the key to happiness is being selfish rather than concerning yourself about the many problems of the world (Black), but she believes that people's unhappiness comes from the realization that they take a lot more from the world than they give back, and thus she wants to be a net-positive and strive to "pay back my lifetime's worth of consumption" (Green). Furthermore, she's a vegetarian, but for the pragmatic reason that meat production has a very poor carbon footprint.footprint (and all food comes from life anyway, so it's a double standard to only care about killing organisms relatable to humans as species - something the Golgari would eagerly point out).]]
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