History AlternativeCharacterInterpretation / DoctorWho

16th Jun '16 5:06:03 AM Silverblade2
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** A lot of the criticisms that Amy faces can be said the same for Rose, but RTD fans seem to overlook because Rose was their first companion.
15th May '16 11:14:07 AM JulietF2
Is there an issue? Send a Message

Added DiffLines:

17th Apr '16 10:36:04 AM Berrenta
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Which in turn results in disaster for the UK (and indeed, the entire Earth) for years to come, as first the Master and then the Children of Earth government succeed her, instead of Britain's Golden Age occurring. Apparently by Eleven's time, ItGotBetter.

to:

** Which in turn results in disaster for the UK (and indeed, the entire Earth) for years to come, as first the Master and then the Children of Earth government succeed her, instead of Britain's Golden Age occurring. Apparently by Eleven's time, ItGotBetter.it got better.
28th Mar '16 12:32:22 PM Sapphirea2
Is there an issue? Send a Message


*** With regards to [[spoiler: Rassilon and the High Council]], who imprison him in a horrific torture chamber in "Heaven Sent" and are the season's FinalBoss, is the bitter Doctor's subsequent choice to [[spoiler: bloodlessly overthrow and exile them to wherever they can find a home]] in "Hell Bent" as cruel and cowardly as his detractors suggest it is -- driven by a need to protect himself from further wrath, especially when his intent to [[spoiler: save Clara and flee Gallifrey]] (which they certainly would have tried to stop him from achieving) is revealed? Or is it far more merciful than they deserve given that they not only [[spoiler: paved the way for Clara's death and let Gallifrey's greatest hero, now grieving, suffer for ''billions of years'']] but also [[spoiler: were the architects of the Last Great Time War which slaughtered untold innocents across space and time]]; is it possible he even did it to ''protect them from his wrath?'' Or, DrivenToMadness as he is by this point, is he too focused on his plan to consider these issues and the possible consequences of his choices?

to:

*** With regards to [[spoiler: Rassilon and the High Council]], who imprison him in a horrific torture chamber in "Heaven Sent" and are the season's FinalBoss, is the bitter bitter, DrivenToMadness Doctor's subsequent choice to [[spoiler: bloodlessly overthrow and exile them to wherever they can find a home]] in "Hell Bent" as cruel and cowardly as his detractors suggest it is -- driven by a need to protect himself from further wrath, especially when his intent plan to [[spoiler: save Clara and flee Gallifrey]] (which they certainly would have tried to stop him from achieving) is revealed? Or is it far more merciful than they deserve given that they not only [[spoiler: paved the way for Clara's death and let Gallifrey's greatest hero, now grieving, suffer for ''billions of years'']] but also [[spoiler: were the architects of the Last Great Time War which slaughtered untold innocents across space and time]]; is it possible he even did it to ''protect them from his wrath?'' Or, DrivenToMadness as he is by this point, is he too focused on his plan to consider these issues and the possible consequences of his choices?wrath?''
28th Mar '16 12:29:55 PM Sapphirea2
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** This Doctor is noticeably empathetic and/or compassionate to antagonists when he understands their plight -- just ask the Teller, the Skovox Blitzer, the Foretold, Missy, Davros, and Bonnie the Zygon. But the Series 9 endgame has exceptions that beg the question of his motivations.

to:

** This Doctor is noticeably empathetic and/or compassionate to antagonists when he understands their plight plight, though he won't go soft on them if there's no other choice in serving the greater good -- just ask consider how he treats the Teller, the Skovox Blitzer, the Foretold, Missy, Davros, and Bonnie the Zygon. But the Series 9 endgame has exceptions that beg the question of his motivations.



*** With regards to [[spoiler: Rassilon and the High Council]] trapping and torturing him in "Heaven Sent", is the Doctor's subsequent choice to [[spoiler: bloodlessly overthrow and exile them to wherever they can find a home]] in "Hell Bent" as cruel and cowardly as his detractors suggest it is, driven by a need to protect himself from further wrath? Or is it far more merciful than they deserve given that [[spoiler: not only did they let him suffer for ''billions of years'', but they were also the architects of the Last Great Time War that slaughtered untold innocents across space and time]]? Or, DrivenToMadness as he is by this point, is he just too concerned with [[spoiler: getting the means to save Clara and flee his homeworld]] to consider these issues and the possible consequences of his choice?

to:

*** With regards to [[spoiler: Rassilon and the High Council]] trapping and torturing Council]], who imprison him in a horrific torture chamber in "Heaven Sent", Sent" and are the season's FinalBoss, is the bitter Doctor's subsequent choice to [[spoiler: bloodlessly overthrow and exile them to wherever they can find a home]] in "Hell Bent" as cruel and cowardly as his detractors suggest it is, is -- driven by a need to protect himself from further wrath? wrath, especially when his intent to [[spoiler: save Clara and flee Gallifrey]] (which they certainly would have tried to stop him from achieving) is revealed? Or is it far more merciful than they deserve given that they not only [[spoiler: not only did they paved the way for Clara's death and let him Gallifrey's greatest hero, now grieving, suffer for ''billions of years'', years'']] but they also [[spoiler: were also the architects of the Last Great Time War that which slaughtered untold innocents across space and time]]? time]]; is it possible he even did it to ''protect them from his wrath?'' Or, DrivenToMadness as he is by this point, is he just too concerned with [[spoiler: getting the means to save Clara and flee focused on his homeworld]] plan to consider these issues and the possible consequences of his choice?choices?
28th Mar '16 12:08:38 PM Sapphirea2
Is there an issue? Send a Message


*** With regards to [[spoiler: Rassilon and the High Council]] trapping and torturing him in "Heaven Sent", is the Doctor's subsequent choice to [[spoiler: bloodlessly overthrow and exile them to wherever they can find a home]] in "Hell Bent" as cruel and cowardly as his detractors suggest it is, driven by a need to protect himself and an unwillingness to admit that his torment was partially a SelfInflictedHell? Or is it far more merciful than they deserve given that [[spoiler: they were also the architects of the Last Great Time War that slaughtered untold innocents across space and time]]? Or, DrivenToMadness as he was by this point, was he just too concerned with [[spoiler: getting the means to save Clara and fleeing his homeworld]] to consider these issues and the possible consequences of his choice?

to:

*** With regards to [[spoiler: Rassilon and the High Council]] trapping and torturing him in "Heaven Sent", is the Doctor's subsequent choice to [[spoiler: bloodlessly overthrow and exile them to wherever they can find a home]] in "Hell Bent" as cruel and cowardly as his detractors suggest it is, driven by a need to protect himself and an unwillingness to admit that his torment was partially a SelfInflictedHell? from further wrath? Or is it far more merciful than they deserve given that [[spoiler: not only did they let him suffer for ''billions of years'', but they were also the architects of the Last Great Time War that slaughtered untold innocents across space and time]]? Or, DrivenToMadness as he was is by this point, was is he just too concerned with [[spoiler: getting the means to save Clara and fleeing flee his homeworld]] to consider these issues and the possible consequences of his choice?
28th Mar '16 12:00:54 PM Sapphirea2
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** This Doctor is noticeably empathetic and/or compassionate to antagonists when he understands their plight -- just ask the Teller, the Skovox Blitzer, the Foretold, Missy, Davros, and Bonnie the Zygon. But the Series 9 endgame has exceptions that beg the question of his motivations.
*** With regards to Ashildr [[spoiler: betraying him and inadvertently paving the way for Clara's death]] in "Face the Raven", that's apparently a case of ThisIsUnforgivable and he never forgives her onscreen, although he does [[spoiler: allow her to follow him into the second TARDIS instead of leaving her to die at the end of time]]. Is he simply too consumed by soul-crushing anguish to realize that she was merely TrappedInVillainy in trying to protect the refugees, or were her acts truly despicable on a personal level after all he'd done for her '''and''' his willingness to not give up on her potential for good in "The Woman Who Lived"? The Doctor gives second chances, but rarely '''thirds'''.
*** With regards to [[spoiler: Rassilon and the High Council]] trapping and torturing him in "Heaven Sent", is the Doctor's subsequent choice to [[spoiler: bloodlessly overthrow and exile them to wherever they can find a home]] in "Hell Bent" as cruel and cowardly as his detractors suggest it is, driven by a need to protect himself and an unwillingness to admit that his torment was partially a SelfInflictedHell? Or is it far more merciful than they deserve given that [[spoiler: they were also the architects of the Last Great Time War that slaughtered untold innocents across space and time]]? Or, DrivenToMadness as he was by this point, was he just too concerned with [[spoiler: getting the means to save Clara and fleeing his homeworld]] to consider these issues and the possible consequences of his choice?



* Ashildr (or "Me"): A classic case of ImmortalityImmorality? An UngratefulBitch who used the opportunities she had been given to selfish ends? An AntiVillain who demonstrates that The Doctor's benevolence has unforeseen consequences? TheSociopath? A JerkassWoobie who went more than a little cracked in the head from having an immortal life and a human memory? Someone who is trying to do the right thing, and just ends up blowing it instead? And does she [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn her happy ending]] in [[spoiler: becoming Clara's companion]], or is she a KarmaHoudini who gets away with [[spoiler: betraying the Doctor and inadvertently paving the way for Clara's death]]?

to:

* Ashildr (or "Me"): A classic case of ImmortalityImmorality? An UngratefulBitch who used the opportunities she had been given to selfish ends? An AntiVillain who demonstrates that The Doctor's benevolence has unforeseen consequences? TheSociopath? A JerkassWoobie who went more than a little cracked in the head from having an immortal life and a human memory? Someone who is trying to do the right thing, and just ends up blowing it instead? And does she [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn her happy ending]] in of [[spoiler: becoming Clara's companion]], or is she a KarmaHoudini who gets away with [[spoiler: betraying the Doctor and inadvertently paving the way for Clara's death]]?
28th Mar '16 11:40:32 AM Sapphirea2
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Also regarding Davros: were the heartfelt conversations in "The Witch's Familiar" between him and the Doctor a ruse to trick the Doctor or was there some hint that at least some of it was genuine.
* Ashildr (or "Me"): A classic case of ImmortalityImmorality? An UngratefulBitch who used the opportunities she had been given to selfish ends? An AntiVillain who demonstrates that The Doctor's benevolence has unforeseen consequences? TheSociopath? A JerkassWoobie who has gone more than a little cracked in the head from having an immortal life and a human memory? Someone who is trying to do the right thing, and just ends up blowing it instead?

to:

** Also regarding * Regarding Davros: were Are the heartfelt conversations in "The Witch's Familiar" between him and the Doctor ''just'' a ruse to trick the Doctor or was were there some hint hints that at least some of it them was genuine.
genuine?
* Ashildr (or "Me"): A classic case of ImmortalityImmorality? An UngratefulBitch who used the opportunities she had been given to selfish ends? An AntiVillain who demonstrates that The Doctor's benevolence has unforeseen consequences? TheSociopath? A JerkassWoobie who has gone went more than a little cracked in the head from having an immortal life and a human memory? Someone who is trying to do the right thing, and just ends up blowing it instead? instead? And does she [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn her happy ending]] in [[spoiler: becoming Clara's companion]], or is she a KarmaHoudini who gets away with [[spoiler: betraying the Doctor and inadvertently paving the way for Clara's death]]?
28th Mar '16 11:22:20 AM Sapphirea2
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** With regards to Clara over both seasons: Is his interest in her purely platonic, or is he [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy simply holding back for fear of ruining her life?]] Is he a bad influence on her, turning her into a callous adrenaline junkie and all-too-"breakable" heroine, or did the two, contrary to Missy's apparent assumptions when she brought them together, have similar personalities to begin with, including character flaws like ego and secretiveness -- but also their good traits? For his part, the Doctor becomes convinced [[ItsAllMyFault it's all his fault]] that her fate is what it is, though he is told otherwise by her and others, and his actions in the final three episodes of Series 9 confirm that he genuinely loves her in a way he hasn't loved anyone since Rose Tyler; he just doesn't express this in conventional ways.

to:

** With regards to Clara over both seasons: Is Oswald:
*** In Series 8, is
his interest in her purely platonic, or is he [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy simply holding back for fear of ruining her life?]] Is life?]] Either way, in the wake of the events of "Last Christmas" he is noticeably, if unconventionally, more affectionate and open in Series 9, his actions in its final three episodes confirming that he loves her as he hasn't loved anyone since Rose Tyler.
*** Over both seasons, is
he a bad influence on her, turning her into a callous adrenaline junkie and all-too-"breakable" heroine, or heroine? Or did the two, contrary to Missy's apparent assumptions when she brought them together, have similar personalities to begin with, including character flaws like ego and secretiveness -- but also their good traits? traits like courage and determination? For his part, the Doctor becomes convinced [[ItsAllMyFault it's all his fault]] that her fate is what it is, though he is told otherwise by her and others, and his actions in the final three episodes of Series 9 confirm that he genuinely loves her in a way he hasn't loved anyone since Rose Tyler; he just doesn't express this in conventional ways.others.
28th Mar '16 11:12:43 AM Sapphirea2
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* In regards to Eleven's treatment of Clara: is he genuinely trying to protect her because he fears her dying again and is still scarred by his separation from the Ponds, or is he being creepy, obsessive, and depriving her of her agency by withholding information she really ought to know. Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS especially divided fans on that last point.

to:

* In regards to Eleven's treatment of Clara: is Is he genuinely trying to protect her because he fears her dying again and is still scarred by his separation from the Ponds, or is he being creepy, obsessive, and depriving her of her agency by withholding information she really ought to know. Journey know? "Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS TARDIS" especially divided fans on that last point.



** Series 8: Are the occasional situations where he leaves Clara on her own a SecretTestOfCharacter that might rightfully be classified as patronizing mindgames, or does he simply know that she is capable and is willing to use her abilities in a pinch because he respects her? Did he get "darker", or is he simply less afraid to show his imperfections and the rougher edges of his personality that were there all along, in line with Vashtra's speech, and just downplayed to avoid weirding out the companions? Are his quips about Clara's appearance due to [[InnocentlyInsensitive scatterbrainedness]], an inability to perceive her as attractive, or at least partially deliberate payback after her remarks about his new face hit him straight in the ego?

to:

** Series 8: Are the occasional situations where he leaves Clara on her own a SecretTestOfCharacter that might rightfully be classified as patronizing mindgames, or does he simply know that -- after everything she has already accomplished by this point -- she is capable and is willing to use her abilities in a pinch because he respects her? Did he get "darker", or is he simply less afraid to show his imperfections and the rougher edges of his personality that were there all along, in line with Vashtra's speech, Madame Vastra's speech in "Deep Breath", and just downplayed to avoid weirding out the companions? Are his quips about Clara's appearance due to [[InnocentlyInsensitive scatterbrainedness]], an inability to perceive her as attractive, or at least partially deliberate payback after her thoughtless remarks about his new face hit him straight in the ego?



** In the Series 9 finale "Hell Bent", is he ''just'' a Time Lord Victorious 2.0 in his mad efforts to [[spoiler: save Clara's life]]? Is his SanitySlippage to be blamed only on his not summoning the inner strength to move on from a colossal tragedy and instead giving into grief and rage...or might he have been able to do so had he not been thrown into a lonely torture chamber, designed to prey on his fears and weaknesses, '''right after said tragedy happened''', which could only encourage said grief and rage? Should those who condemn his DrivenToMadness actions and show NoSympathy or even comprehension towards his plight, such as Ohila, consider mending fences with him once he's back to normal, a sadder and wiser man?
** Also in Series 9: Is his tendency to "zip zip zip zip zip, getting into scrapes" across the universe rather than stick around to witness/address the long-term consequences of such actions as saving Ashildr, setting up the human-Zygon peace, etc. -- one not unique to this incarnation by any means -- thoughtless abandonment on his part? Or are those who complain about said consequences too often using him as a scapegoat for their own failures to continue where he leaves off and inability to accept that no solution is perfect/will make everybody perfectly happy? He can't hold ''everybody's'' hand ''all'' the time, and he does make efforts to keep tabs on the two aforementioned events.
** With regards to Clara over both seasons: Is his interest in her purely platonic, or is he [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy simply holding back for fear of ruining her life?]] Is he a bad influence on her that turns her into a callous adrenaline junkie, or did the two -- contrary to Missy's apparent assumptions -- have similar personalities to begin with, including character flaws like ego and secretiveness -- but also their good traits? For his part, the Doctor becomes convinced [[ItsAllMyFault it's all his fault]] that her fate is what it is, though he is told otherwise by her and others.
* The Eighth Doctor in "The Night of the Doctor". Was he trying to save Cass by staying on the ship till it crashed? Or effectively killing himself out of despair, feeling he should do so if he was unable to save anybody?

to:

** In the Series 9 finale "Hell Bent", is he ''just'' a Time Lord Victorious 2.0 in his mad efforts to [[spoiler: save Clara's life]]? Is his SanitySlippage to be blamed only solely on his not summoning the inner strength to move on from a colossal tragedy and instead giving into grief and rage...or might he have been able to do so had he not been thrown into a lonely torture chamber, designed to prey on his fears and weaknesses, '''right after said tragedy happened''', which could only encourage said grief and rage? Should rage? And with this in mind, should those who condemn his DrivenToMadness actions and show NoSympathy or even comprehension towards his plight, such as Ohila, consider mending fences with him once he's back to normal, a sadder and wiser man?
** Also in Series 9: Is his tendency to "zip zip zip zip zip, getting into scrapes" across the universe rather than stick around to witness/address the long-term consequences of such his actions as saving Ashildr, setting up the human-Zygon peace, etc. -- one not unique to this incarnation by any means -- thoughtless abandonment on his part? Or are part? He can't hold ''everybody's'' hand ''all'' the time, and he does make efforts to keep tabs/follow up on the fallout of saving Ashildr and setting up the human-Zygon peace in Series 9, when this concern about his behavior is broached by people involved (especially Ashildr). Are those who complain about said consequences his actions too often using him as a scapegoat for their own failures to continue where he leaves off and inability to accept that no solution is perfect/will make everybody perfectly happy? He can't hold ''everybody's'' hand ''all'' the time, and he does make efforts to keep tabs on the two aforementioned events.
happy?
** With regards to Clara over both seasons: Is his interest in her purely platonic, or is he [[IWantMyBelovedToBeHappy simply holding back for fear of ruining her life?]] Is he a bad influence on her that turns her, turning her into a callous adrenaline junkie, junkie and all-too-"breakable" heroine, or did the two -- two, contrary to Missy's apparent assumptions -- when she brought them together, have similar personalities to begin with, including character flaws like ego and secretiveness -- but also their good traits? For his part, the Doctor becomes convinced [[ItsAllMyFault it's all his fault]] that her fate is what it is, though he is told otherwise by her and others.
others, and his actions in the final three episodes of Series 9 confirm that he genuinely loves her in a way he hasn't loved anyone since Rose Tyler; he just doesn't express this in conventional ways.
* The Eighth Doctor in "The Night of the Doctor". Was he trying to save Cass by staying on the ship till it crashed? Or effectively killing himself out of despair, feeling he should do so if he was unable to save anybody?anybody? Considering how badly this character was broken in the Big Finish audios...



* Clara Oswald: Loving woman unafraid of speaking her mind when the Doctor says something she doesn't like, who makes some bad decisions that have unexpected negative consequences -- or an egotistical control freak who cannot let anything she does not like happen and lies to protect herself? On that note, are the adrenaline junkie and more "Doctorish" traits she picks up by the end of Series 8 a result of her travels and the Doctor's influence, or were they always there and just recently brought to the surface? This is a key question in Series 9, in which she firmly becomes the Doctor's DistaffCounterpart. When her choices lead to catastrophe in "Face the Raven", the Doctor's actions for the remainder of the season partially stem from his belief that [[ItsAllMyFault he could have done more to prevent her from becoming like him]] -- but as noted above, other characters disagree.

to:

* Clara Oswald: Loving woman unafraid of speaking her mind when the Doctor says something she doesn't like, who makes some bad decisions that have unexpected negative consequences -- or an egotistical control freak who cannot let anything she does not like happen and lies to protect herself? On that note, are the adrenaline junkie and more "Doctorish" traits she picks up by the end of Series 8 a result of her travels and the Doctor's influence, or were they always there and just recently brought to the surface? This is a key question in Series 9, in which she firmly becomes the Doctor's DistaffCounterpart. When her choices lead to catastrophe in "Face the Raven", the Doctor's actions for the remainder of the season partially stem from his belief that [[ItsAllMyFault he could have done more to prevent her from becoming like him]] ItsAllMyFault -- but as noted above, other characters disagree.disagree, ''including her''.
This list shows the last 10 events of 150. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=AlternativeCharacterInterpretation.DoctorWho