History AlternativeCharacterInterpretation / DoctorWho

6th Feb '17 6:41:43 AM Doug86
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*** It is confirmed he is the real Rassilon in the novel [[Recap/NewSeriesAdventuresEnginesOfWar "Engines of War"]] though. Although since this is technically part of the DoctorWhoExpandedUniverse and not the television series proper, this one can depend on whether you view the novels as 'canon' or not.

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*** It is confirmed he is the real Rassilon in the novel [[Recap/NewSeriesAdventuresEnginesOfWar "Engines of War"]] though. Although since this is technically part of the DoctorWhoExpandedUniverse Franchise/DoctorWhoExpandedUniverse and not the television series proper, this one can depend on whether you view the novels as 'canon' or not.
5th Feb '17 3:40:01 AM Soulreaverdan
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** Are Ten's offers of "stop or I'll have to stop you" a genuine attempt to resolve a situation peacefully, or a simple excuse for any future actions that can be waved off with "I gave them a choice"?
24th Jan '17 4:03:15 AM DoctorNemesis
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*** The show itself nods to this interpretation in subsequent episodes; his next incarnation refers to the Tenth Doctor as having "vanity issues" and, notably, faces his own regeneration[=/=]death with much more equanimity.
12th Jan '17 2:32:41 PM skidoo23
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* Was the Fourth Doctor asexual or just only into Gallifreyans?

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* Was the Fourth Doctor asexual or just only into Gallifreyans?
Gallifreyans? In "City of Death", he made the uncertain statement re: a human woman, "You're a beautiful woman, probably."[[note]]The original script, however, has the Doctor stating this without uncertainty.[[/note]] Yet, in "The Pirate Planet" he unambiguously referred to Romana as being attractive.
14th Dec '16 5:02:45 AM project13Kr
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*** According to [[http://www.warpedfactor.com/2016/12/doctor-who-sympathy-for-devil.html?m=1 this article]], Rassilon may not be a bad guy or at least not as bad as the Doctor would like us to believe.
11th Nov '16 8:43:29 AM HighCrate
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* This carries on with another of Eleven's major companions, River Song. Is she an egotistical psychopath who cares more about herself and the Doctor than doing what's good? Should she be pitied because of his twisting path and timeline which has blasted every possibility of a normal life from her? Is she too dependent on the Doctor to the point where he's her only reason for being, and if that's true, should we interpret this as just part of her character, or [[GirlsNeedRoleModels a bad thing]]? Or considering that she teaches at a university and willingly breaks in and out of prison, is she ''independent'' and free to do as she likes, which occasionally involves the Doctor?

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* This carries on with another of Eleven's major companions, River Song. Is she an egotistical psychopath who cares more about herself and the Doctor than doing what's good? Should she be pitied because of his twisting path and timeline which has blasted every possibility of a normal life from her? Is she too dependent on the Doctor to the point where he's her only reason for being, and if that's true, should we interpret this as just part of her character, or [[GirlsNeedRoleModels a bad thing]]? thing? Or considering that she teaches at a university and willingly breaks in and out of prison, is she ''independent'' and free to do as she likes, which occasionally involves the Doctor?
10th Nov '16 2:18:21 AM Sapphirea2
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* Given all of the above issues, in Series 8 the Twelfth Doctor seems to be looking back at the Seventh Doctor, who, whether or not you consider him a chessmaster or a joker, certainly was more manipulative and a bit darker than other Doctors. It might be a Scottish thing. He's still a good (as good as the Doctor can get) man, and he still goes to save other planets, etc. but he doesn't have as many qualms about other people's feelings. Truthfully, when the Twelfth Doctor agonizes about whether or not he's a 'good man,' it almost seems like he remembers the times he manipulated other people, ("The Curse of Fenric", anyone?) -- and is terrified he'll end up becoming that again.

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* ** Given all of the above issues, in Series 8 the Twelfth Doctor seems to be looking back at the Seventh Doctor, who, whether or not you consider him a chessmaster or a joker, certainly was more manipulative and a bit darker than other Doctors. It might be a Scottish thing. He's still a good (as good as the Doctor can get) man, and he still goes to save other planets, etc. but he doesn't have as many qualms about other people's feelings. Truthfully, when the Twelfth Doctor agonizes about whether or not he's a 'good man,' it almost seems like he remembers the times he manipulated other people, ("The Curse of Fenric", anyone?) -- and is terrified he'll end up becoming that again.


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** In the same episode, the denouement has Clara's life saved because [[spoiler: the boy Davros was taught the concept of mercy by the Doctor rescuing him]]. When the Doctor [[spoiler: returns to the past to make that happen]], he says he's doing what he's doing to save his friend. Does he mean Clara, which would fit into his Series 9 actions in general, or [[spoiler: Davros himself]], an interpretation that is foreshadowed by the Doctor's own dialogue in the shorts "Prologue" and "The Doctor's Meditation"? For bonus points, in the course of the episode it's revealed that Dalek language and thought is so limited that "I love you" is one of many phrases that just comes out as "Exterminate". So [[spoiler: when the Doctor says that just before he blasts the handmines]]...
10th Nov '16 2:09:44 AM Sapphirea2
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** Series 9: Is his choice in "The Girl Who Died" to save Ashildr in a way that makes her immortal a selfish outgrowth of self-pity, guilt, and grief over all the loss he's experienced in his lives (companions who inevitably leave him, one-shot characters who die in the course of his adventures -- often via helping him...)? Or is it a noble effort to rise above his PragmaticHero tendencies seen most recently in "Before the Flood" (the previous episode), in which he takes special trouble to save a companion but not a one-shot character -- a rescue that's truly holding himself to his chosen title, proving he sees the preciousness of every life and resents the cruel laws of nature that keep striking them down? Or is the act a bit of both motivations?

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** Series 9: Is his choice in "The Girl Who Died" to save Ashildr in a way that makes her immortal a selfish outgrowth of self-pity, guilt, and grief self-pity over all the loss he's experienced in his lives (companions who inevitably leave him, one-shot characters who die in the course of his adventures -- often via helping him...)? Or is it him); borne of genuine affection, grief, and guilt for her specifically; '''and/or''' a noble effort to rise above his PragmaticHero tendencies seen most recently in "Before the Flood" (the previous episode), in which he takes special trouble to save a companion but not a one-shot character -- a rescue that's truly holding himself to his chosen title, proving he sees the preciousness of every life and resents the cruel laws of nature that keep striking them down? Or is the act a bit of both motivations?down?



** Was the Doctor as ignorant of the outcome as he says, or did he know what would happen all along and pretended he didn't to pose a SecretTestOfCharacter? In the dialogue where he expresses his inability to see what will happen, he happens to namedrop the exact outcome (the Moon in the future being a different one), is this coincidence or a sign that he knows more than he says?
** Did Clara stop the countdown because she couldn't kill the Moon creature, or to save her own skin - seeing as the Doctor returned only after the bomb would have exploded?
* In [[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E8MummyOnTheOrientExpress "Mummy on the Orient Express"]], did the Doctor really save everyone? Or just Clara and Perkins? How exactly he managed to get everyone into the TARDIS is never shown, and he specifically asks Clara if it's easier to think of him as not heartless.
** His line "would you like to think of me that way? Would that make it easier?" could also be read as "would it be easier (to leave) if you had kept on thinking I'm heartless and do you want me to pretend?" Given Clara's change of heart, she takes it this way. He remembers the names of every person he couldn't save and recites them with emotion in his voice.
** This refers both to this point, the point about the 12th doctor's interpretation, and the Kill the Moon points. The 12th Doctor seems to be looking back at the 7th Doctor, who, whether or not you consider him a chess master or a joker, certainly was more manipulative and a bit darker than other Doctors. It might be a Scottish thing. He's still a good (as good as the Doctor can get) man, and he still goes to save other planets, etc. but he doesn't have as many qualms about other people's feelings.
*** And truthfully, when the 12th Doctor agonizes about whether or not he's a 'good man,' it almost seems like he remembers the times he manipulated other people, (Curse of Fenric, anyone?) and is terrified he'll end up becoming that again.

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** Was the Doctor as ignorant of the outcome as he says, or did he know what would happen all along and pretended he didn't to pose a SecretTestOfCharacter? In the dialogue where he expresses his inability to see what will happen, he happens to namedrop the exact outcome (the Moon in the future being a different one), one); is this coincidence or a sign that he knows more than he says?
** Did Clara stop the countdown because she couldn't kill the Moon moon creature, or to save her own skin - -- seeing as the Doctor returned only after the bomb would have exploded?
* In [[Recap/DoctorWhoS34E8MummyOnTheOrientExpress "Mummy on the Orient Express"]], did the Doctor really save everyone? Or just Clara and Perkins? How exactly he managed to get everyone into the TARDIS is never shown, and he specifically asks Clara if it's easier to think of him as not pretending to be heartless.
** His However, the line "would "Would you like to think of me that way? Would that make it easier?" could can also be read as "would "Would it be easier (to leave) leave me) if you had kept on thinking I'm heartless and do you want me to pretend?" Given Clara's change of heart, she takes it this way. He way. It helps that he remembers the names of every person he couldn't save in this story -- and recites them with emotion in his voice.
** This refers both to this point, * Given all of the point about above issues, in Series 8 the 12th doctor's interpretation, and the Kill the Moon points. The 12th Twelfth Doctor seems to be looking back at the 7th Seventh Doctor, who, whether or not you consider him a chess master chessmaster or a joker, certainly was more manipulative and a bit darker than other Doctors. It might be a Scottish thing. He's still a good (as good as the Doctor can get) man, and he still goes to save other planets, etc. but he doesn't have as many qualms about other people's feelings.
*** And truthfully,
feelings. Truthfully, when the 12th Twelfth Doctor agonizes about whether or not he's a 'good man,' it almost seems like he remembers the times he manipulated other people, (Curse ("The Curse of Fenric, Fenric", anyone?) -- and is terrified he'll end up becoming that again.



** Danny's final ReasonYouSuckSpeech - Correct, deserved, understandable bitterness in the face of death and betrayal, the former but [[MurderTheHypotenuse directed at the wrong person]] (in the sense that he should be upset at ''Clara'' for lying and not putting him first), or [[SoreLoser unnecessarily petty]]? Or intentionally being too harsh in an attempt to make the Doctor dial it back, for Clara's safety?

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** Danny's final ReasonYouSuckSpeech - -- Correct, deserved, understandable bitterness in the face of death and betrayal, the former but [[MurderTheHypotenuse directed at the wrong person]] (in the sense that he should be upset at ''Clara'' for lying and not putting him first), or [[SoreLoser unnecessarily petty]]? Or intentionally being too harsh in an attempt to make the Doctor dial it back, for Clara's safety?
2nd Sep '16 3:24:07 AM Silverblade2
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*** To be fair, after everything the Doctor has been through and lost, it would be unrealistic if he wasn't messed up. Also, his actions toward Colonel Runaway were not done in cold blood - they were an emotional reaction to what the Colonel had done to the Doctor's loved ones (and one of his main character traits is his incredible loyalty and protectiveness).
31st Aug '16 5:28:39 PM MrThorfan64
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** Something that a lot of people don't pick up on is that in "Journey's End" Rose clearly says she was working on travelling back to her world despite the Doctor saying this would destroy both worlds. Before that in "Doomsday" when the Doctor says returning would destroy both worlds her reaction is [[ItsAllAboutMe "So?"]] Is this really admirable and loving behaviour or a dangerous obsession?

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** Something that a lot of people don't pick up on is that in "Journey's End" Rose clearly says she was working on travelling back to her world despite the Doctor saying this would destroy both worlds. worlds '''before''' the barriers between worlds began collapsing. Before that in "Doomsday" when the Doctor says returning would destroy both worlds her reaction is [[ItsAllAboutMe "So?"]] Is this really admirable and loving behaviour behavior or a dangerous obsession?obsession, Rose thinking her relationship with the Doctor takes priority over other peoples' lives, which makes this idea of her as a selfless figure quite questionable?



* Christina's meant to be seen as a adrenaline junkie FemmeFatale with a heart of gold but can be more easily seen as a borderline sociopath when you notice she had no regrets about getting her partner arrested, is extremely selfish, arguably kissed the Doctor just to manipulate him and only wanted to come along because the police were about to catch her.

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* Christina's meant to be seen as a adrenaline junkie FemmeFatale with a heart of gold but can be more easily seen as a borderline sociopath when you notice she had no regrets about getting her partner arrested, is extremely selfish, arguably kissed the Doctor just to manipulate him and only wanted to come along because the police were about to catch her. Also her saving the people on the bus wasn't an act of selflessness, it was because she was one of the people in danger.



* The Society portrayed in "The End of the World". The fact that religion is banned is meant as a good thing by the writer, who sees it as they have OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions. However it could easily be seen as an oppressive and bigoted regime. Would the Doctor still be fine with this if they had banned atheism?

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* The Society portrayed in "The End of the World". The fact that religion is banned is meant as a good thing by the writer, who sees it as they have OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions. However it could easily be seen as an oppressive and bigoted regime.regime, the fact they feel the need to ban it shows there must still be religion, not that there is no religion. Would the Doctor still be fine with this if they had banned atheism?



* Ashildr (or "Me"): A classic case of ImmortalityImmorality? An UngratefulBitch who used the opportunities she had been given to selfish ends? An AntiVillain who demonstrates that The Doctor's benevolence has unforeseen consequences? TheSociopath? A JerkassWoobie who went more than a little cracked in the head from having an immortal life and a human memory? Someone who is trying to do the right thing, and just ends up blowing it instead? And does she [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn her happy ending]] of [[spoiler: becoming Clara's companion]], or is she a KarmaHoudini who gets away with [[spoiler: betraying the Doctor and inadvertently paving the way for Clara's death]]?

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* Ashildr (or "Me"): A classic case of ImmortalityImmorality? An UngratefulBitch who used the opportunities she had been given to selfish ends? An AntiVillain who demonstrates that The Doctor's benevolence has unforeseen consequences? TheSociopath? A JerkassWoobie who went more than a little cracked in the head from having an immortal life and a human memory? Someone who is trying to do the right thing, and just ends up blowing it instead? And does she [[EarnYourHappyEnding earn her happy ending]] of [[spoiler: becoming Clara's companion]], or is she a KarmaHoudini who gets away with [[spoiler: betraying the Doctor (albeit for sympathetic reasons) and inadvertently paving the way for Clara's death]]?
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