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OldManHoOh
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01:29:26 PM Apr 6th 2014
edited by 92.232.66.149
I've not read the Telos Novellas, but wasn't the experience of Gothic Horror and its tropes a major part of basically all of seasons 13 and 14? Someone explain to me how a gothic horror novel featuring the Fourth Doctor is "deliberately stretch[ing] the Doctors' characterisations a bit"?
OldManHoOh
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12:39:09 PM Sep 18th 2013
edited by 151.230.199.78
I know it's YMMV, so it's not exactly an argument that can be instantly removed, but can I just say that the complaint about Rose not caring about her family is, from what I've rewatched from series 1 so far (rushing back home to her mum and inviting Mickey into the TARDIS at the end of "World War Three"? Choosing to go home to her family full stop?), factually wrong? Yes, she has flaws (a creator considering her and the Doctor made for one another is not a synonym for "perfect and flawless saint" by any stretch. She's 19 years old.) and has incredible hangups about never giving up on the Doctor, to the point of that manoeuvre in "Doomsday", but not caring about her friends and family at all? Seriously?

Also, I'll need to refresh on "Journey's End" to find the line, but just because she said she wanted to come back to the Doctor doesn't mean she or parallel UNIT or parallel Torchwood built it for that specific purpose.
OldManHoOh
01:03:52 PM Sep 19th 2013
edited by 151.230.199.78
Okay, re-reading it, this is a completely unnecessary bullet that adds nothing beyond trying to "win" the argument and drive an agenda when no-one asked them to. Dropping.

  • Remember that in Doomsday when the Doctor says coming to the Parallel World would destroy both worlds the reaction of the 'compassionate' Companion is 'So?' Then in Journey's End Rose reveals the Dimension Cannon was built so she could come back. Her dialogue reveals it was built before the threat. So Rose was still going to potentially destroy both Worlds for a chance to see the Doctor. For this she gets her own human Doctor. Is she a massive Karma Houdini?
OldManHoOh
03:50:50 PM Nov 22nd 2013
edited by 151.230.173.121
Same with "not taking responsibility for her actions". She explicitly either apologises or admits the situation was her fault in "Dalek" (releasing the Dalek), "Boom Town" (Mickey feeling mistreated, whether or not he actually was), "Father's Day" (meeting her father and all that caused) and "World War Three" (the compression field joke), though that last one was admittedly a bit backhanded.

Also the "So", is a) under a ton of grief over losing someone and b) worded by Rose and reacted to by the Doctor either as a joke or an attempt to break the tension.
Silverblade2
10:39:30 AM May 22nd 2014
"because she said she wanted to come back to the Doctor doesn't mean she or parallel UNIT or parallel Torchwood built it for that specific purpose."

I'm not a Rose hater but this is what Rose says in that episode. "Basically, we've been building this, er, this travel machine, this, this er, dimension cannon, so I could[...] So I could come back."
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