History AlasPoorVillain / VideoGames

22nd Jun '17 8:53:25 AM GlitteringFlowers
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** Even earlier were Camus and Emperor Hardin in the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Akaneia series]]. The former is an [[WorthyOpponent honorable knight]] who helps the player at several points even though he works for the enemy and suffered from MyCountryRightOrWrong. His death is somewhat lessened by ''Gaiden'' revealing that he was NotQuiteDead, but he still gave up his old identity as Camus. The latter was a trustworthy ally who fought alongside Marth, and was a great Hero to the many he rescued from slavery. He ended up going through a DespairEventHorizon and getting BrainwashedAndCrazy into [[EvilOverlord being a power-hungry tyrant]]. As he's dying, he [[DyingAsYourself reverts back to his old heroic self]]. Both characters likely inspired the later {{tragic villain}}s in the series.
** The remake of the game [[FillerVillain adds]] Kleine. Throughout the game, she's depicted as a sadistic, cold-hearted killer, who constantly abuses her adoptive sister Katarina for being useless. So you look forward to the moment when you finally get to fight her... and her death comes as one of the most heart-wrenching [[TearJerker tear jerkers]] in the series, specially when she asks Katarina "StayWithMeUntilIDie."
*** Also, Eremiya from the remake. She's the one to blame for Kleine being the way she is (and Katarina, and Roro, and Roro's clones...), then when you finally beat the bitch, it's like [[DecapitatedArmy a moment to celebra]] - [[YourPrincessIsInAnotherCastle what's]] ''[[YourPrincessIsInAnotherCastle this]]''?! Gharnef put her under MindRape when she fell into despair after witnessing the deaths of the orphans she originally cared for during the war, turning her ''into'' a Mega-Abusive-Bitch? And now, while she's dying, he completely restores her memories of who she once was, laughs, and lets her bleed to death in complete despair? ... Ouch. Just... ''[[TearJerker ouch]]''! For a character who didn't even exist in the original game, that's some pretty powerful JerkassWoobie material right there. There's a '''very good''' ''reason'' Gharnef earns more loathing than the game's actual BigBad, [[FantasticRacism Medeus]].

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** Even earlier were Camus and Emperor Hardin in the [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Akaneia series]]. The former is an [[WorthyOpponent honorable knight]] who helps the player at several points even though he works for the enemy and suffered from MyCountryRightOrWrong. His death is somewhat lessened by ''Gaiden'' revealing that he was NotQuiteDead, but he still gave up his old identity as Camus.Camus to start his life all over again. The latter was a trustworthy ally who fought alongside Marth, and was a great Hero to the many he rescued from slavery. He ended up going through a DespairEventHorizon and getting BrainwashedAndCrazy into [[EvilOverlord being a power-hungry tyrant]]. As he's dying, he [[DyingAsYourself reverts back to his old heroic self]].self]], apologizes to Marth for all the grief he caused to him ''and'' to Nyna, and [[DyingDeclarationOfLove reaffirms his love for Nyna]] in his literal dying breath. Both characters likely inspired the later {{tragic villain}}s in the series.
** The remake of the game [[FillerVillain adds]] Kleine.Clarisse. Throughout the game, she's depicted as a sadistic, cold-hearted killer, who constantly abuses her adoptive sister Katarina for being useless. So you one look forward forwards to the moment when you she's finally get to fight her... fought... and her death comes as one of the most heart-wrenching [[TearJerker tear jerkers]] moments in the series, specially when she Clarisse quietly asks Katarina "StayWithMeUntilIDie."
*** Also, Eremiya from the remake. She's the one to blame for Kleine Clarisse being the way she is (and Katarina, and Roro, and Roro's clones...), then when you it's time to finally beat the bitch, it's like [[DecapitatedArmy a moment to celebra]] - [[YourPrincessIsInAnotherCastle what's]] ''[[YourPrincessIsInAnotherCastle this]]''?! She once was a genuinely good person but Gharnef put her under MindRape when she fell into despair after witnessing the deaths of the orphans she originally cared for during the war, turning her ''into'' a Mega-Abusive-Bitch? And now, while she's dying, he completely restores her memories of who she once was, laughs, and lets her bleed to death in complete despair? ... Ouch. Just... ''[[TearJerker ouch]]''! ''ouch''! For a character who didn't even exist in the original game, that's some pretty powerful JerkassWoobie woobie material right there. There's a '''very good''' ''reason'' Gharnef earns more loathing than the game's actual BigBad, [[FantasticRacism Medeus]].



*** Victor and Vincent are a pair of cheerful bandit twins who raid villages and have a very close relationship. If Victor is killed, the surviving Twin, Vincent is [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes despondent]] and seeks to get his brother a grave after his AvengingTheVillain is completed. While the whole thing was playedForLaughs, many players found it [[UnintentionallySympathetic genuinely touching]] and sympathized with the bandit twins.

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*** Victor and Vincent are a pair of cheerful bandit twins who raid villages and have a very close relationship. If Victor is killed, the surviving Twin, Vincent is [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes despondent]] and seeks to get his brother a grave after his AvengingTheVillain is completed. While the whole thing was playedForLaughs, PlayedForLaughs, many players found it [[UnintentionallySympathetic genuinely touching]] and sympathized with the bandit twins.



*** Rudolf dies revealing his true relation to Alm, much to the poor guy's very understandable disbelief. Before Alm has time to digest it, however, Rudolf tells him about the Falchion and Mila and begs him to slay Duma to save the world. Then, he dies as the snow falls, and poor Alm pretty much screams "My God, What Have I Done?!" When he talks to Mycen afterward, Alm bitterly asks if he sent him to kill his own dad, before Mycen can explain Rudolf's reasons and Thanatos Gambit.
*** Fernand, who has been a JerkAss to you the entire game, sees the error of his ways after Mycen's VillainousBreakdown leaves him mortally wounded. Clive holds him in his arms and he does what he can to tell him about Duma's madness and Berkut's own changes, and ask Alms to put Duma to rest. Then, Fernand aknowledges that his lack of forgiveness was his undoing, and dies telling Clive that he was right all along and chose the right king. Both Clive and Clair are greatly distressed, with Clair telling him "Please Wake Up" and then sobbing.
*** After both Berkut and Rinea (turned into a Witch after Berkut sold her soul to Duma) are defeated, the mortally injured Berkut still refuses to give up or to see Alm as his cousin rather than his enemy, and urges Alm to give him the killing blow. But as Alm insists that he never wanted to be Berkut's enemy... Linea's now-free soul appears in front of the group, speaking kindly to Berkut even after what he did to her, telling him to come with her so they can find their own empire. Berkut is flabbergasted and seems to be crying as he tells Rinea that she always was right, begs her to forgive him, and accepts her offer to go away with her. Then he makes peace with Alm and, before definitely dying, gives him a ring that belonged to his late mother and begs him to make Valentia a land where no one will be corrupted by the gods again.
*** Even a mini-boss in the ''final stage'' gets one. Hestia, one of Duma's witches, holds resentment towards Sonya, but [[DyingAsYourself regains her will as she dies]].

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*** Rudolf dies revealing [[LukeIAmYourFather his true relation to Alm, Alm]], much to the poor guy's very understandable disbelief. Before Alm has time to digest it, however, Rudolf tells him about the Falchion and Mila and begs him to slay Duma to save the world. Then, he dies [[SnowMeansDeath as the snow falls, falls]], and poor Alm pretty much screams "My God, What Have I Done?!" "MyGodWhatHaveIDone!" When he talks to Mycen afterward, Alm bitterly asks [[SelfMadeOrphan if he sent him to kill his own dad, dad]], before Mycen can explain Rudolf's reasons and Thanatos Gambit.
the years-long ThanatosGambit he had developed.
*** Fernand, who has been a JerkAss to you the group the entire game, sees the error of his ways after Mycen's VillainousBreakdown leaves him being mortally wounded. wounded as a conequence of Berkut's VillainousBreakdown. His former friend Clive holds him in his arms and he Fernand does what he can to tell him about Duma's madness and Berkut's own changes, and ask Alms to put Duma to rest. Then, Fernand aknowledges that his lack of forgiveness was his undoing, and dies telling Clive that he was right all along and chose the right king. king, Alm. Both Clive and his sister Clair are greatly distressed, with Clair telling him "Please Wake Up" "PleaseWakeUp" and then sobbing.
sobbing. It's even worse if the player has a certain DLC stage that shows [[FallenHero how Fernand USED to be]] before his DarkAndTroubledPast hit him...
*** After both Berkut and his girlfriend Rinea (turned (who had been turned into a Witch after Berkut sold her soul to Duma) are defeated, the mortally injured Berkut still refuses to give up or to see Alm as his cousin rather than his enemy, and urges Alm to give him the killing blow. But as Alm insists that he never wanted to be Berkut's enemy... Linea's Rinea's now-free soul appears in front of the group, speaking kindly to Berkut even after what he did to her, [[TogetherInDeath telling him to come with her so they can find their own empire. empire.]] Berkut is flabbergasted [[TearsOfRemorse and seems to be crying crying]] as he tells Rinea [[ActualPacifist Rinea]] [[WomenAreWiser that she always was right, right]], begs her to forgive him, and accepts her offer to go away with her. Then he makes peace with Alm and, before definitely dying, gives him [[TragicKeepsake a ring that belonged to his late mother mother]] and begs him to make Valentia a land where no one will be corrupted by the gods again.
*** Even a mini-boss in the ''final stage'' gets one. Hestia, one of Duma's witches, holds resentment towards Sonya, her sister Sonya who ran away and averted being transformed, but [[DyingAsYourself regains her will as she dies]].dies]] and says she should've lived her life as she saw fit, like Sonya did.
18th Jun '17 12:23:41 AM Nicoaln
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** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden'', especially its remake, has a lot of this:
*** Rudolf dies revealing his true relation to Alm, much to the poor guy's very understandable disbelief. Before Alm has time to digest it, however, Rudolf tells him about the Falchion and Mila and begs him to slay Duma to save the world. Then, he dies as the snow falls, and poor Alm pretty much screams "My God, What Have I Done?!" When he talks to Mycen afterward, Alm bitterly asks if he sent him to kill his own dad, before Mycen can explain Rudolf's reasons and Thanatos Gambit.
*** Fernand, who has been a JerkAss to you the entire game, sees the error of his ways after Mycen's VillainousBreakdown leaves him mortally wounded. Clive holds him in his arms and he does what he can to tell him about Duma's madness and Berkut's own changes, and ask Alms to put Duma to rest. Then, Fernand aknowledges that his lack of forgiveness was his undoing, and dies telling Clive that he was right all along and chose the right king. Both Clive and Clair are greatly distressed, with Clair telling him "Please Wake Up" and then sobbing.
*** After both Berkut and Rinea (turned into a Witch after Berkut sold her soul to Duma) are defeated, the mortally injured Berkut still refuses to give up or to see Alm as his cousin rather than his enemy, and urges Alm to give him the killing blow. But as Alm insists that he never wanted to be Berkut's enemy... Linea's now-free soul appears in front of the group, speaking kindly to Berkut even after what he did to her, telling him to come with her so they can find their own empire. Berkut is flabbergasted and seems to be crying as he tells Rinea that she always was right, begs her to forgive him, and accepts her offer to go away with her. Then he makes peace with Alm and, before definitely dying, gives him a ring that belonged to his late mother and begs him to make Valentia a land where no one will be corrupted by the gods again.
*** Even a mini-boss in the ''final stage'' gets one. Hestia, one of Duma's witches, holds resentment towards Sonya, but [[DyingAsYourself regains her will as she dies]].
11th Apr '17 5:51:29 PM nombretomado
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* One of the original ones for Video Games was Oddler/Odd Eye in ''ShiningForce II''. Dude joined you as a blind kid with no memories, he follows you and clearly admires your skill, and stays behind with Creed. Unfortunately, he turns out to be a greater devil and is fought as a boss, wishing, as he died, that he could live his life again not as a devil.

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* One of the original ones for Video Games was Oddler/Odd Eye in ''ShiningForce II''.''VideoGame/ShiningForceII''. Dude joined you as a blind kid with no memories, he follows you and clearly admires your skill, and stays behind with Creed. Unfortunately, he turns out to be a greater devil and is fought as a boss, wishing, as he died, that he could live his life again not as a devil.
15th Mar '17 2:09:07 PM Monsund
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*** Some people felt that Sonia was [[BreakTheHaughty broken a bit too much]], invoking SympathyForTheDevil.



*** Another is Nergal's top lieutenant, Limstella. Despite being a rather creepy, [[EmotionlessGirl emotionless]] ArtificialHuman, she has an absolutely ''gut-wrenching'' final moment: "I am not human. This body and this heart are constructs. Yes, as is this sorrow."

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*** Another is Nergal's top lieutenant, Limstella. Despite being a rather creepy, [[EmotionlessGirl emotionless]] ArtificialHuman, she has an absolutely ''gut-wrenching'' final moment: "I moment where she laments her lack of emotion, while showing [[TinMan genuine sadness]]] at [[UndyingLoyalty failing Nergal]].
--->'''Limstella''': I
am not human. This body and this heart are constructs. Yes, as is this sorrow."
15th Mar '17 2:05:32 PM Monsund
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*** Optionally, Hetzel might get one. Of all the Begnion Senators, he's clearly the least evil. (e.g., buying Rafiel as a slave only to save him and then release him.) Even when you do fight him, he apologizes and says he doesn't want to do it, he's more afraid of what Lekain will do to him if he ''doesn't'' go along with it. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Data that has been found suggests that he could have been spared, actually.]]
** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' either loves this or tries its best to avoid it depending on your view. Just leaving out the characters that would fit into this ''if'' they didn't pop back up alive as secret recruits in the endgame, we still have Mustafa, a Plegian General who is so touched by the previous chapter's sacrifice that he does not wish to fight you, but must because his king will most probably bring harm to his family otherwise. Even before the battle starts, he realizes his own men don't feel like fighting either, and volunteers to take the blame for them if they choose to leave. It's actually this bravery in the face of punishment that makes them decide to stay until the end.
*** It becomes even more of a PlayerPunch when you realize he was also the kind of general that was AFatherToHisMen. Not only are his dying words a plea to spare his men, but a conversation between Ricken and Plegian recruit Henry reveals that Mustafa used to give Henry a bag of peaches whenever he visited, because he reminded him of his son and even considered Henry a part of his family.

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*** Optionally, Hetzel might get one.Heizel as well. Of all the Begnion Senators, he's clearly the least evil. (e.g., buying Rafiel as a slave only to save him and then release him.) Even when you do fight him, he apologizes and says he doesn't want to do it, he's more afraid of what Lekain will do to him if he ''doesn't'' go along with it. [[WhatCouldHaveBeen Data that has been found suggests that he could have been spared, actually.]]
** ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening'' either loves this or tries mostly does its best to avoid it depending on your view. Just leaving out the characters that would fit into this ''if'' they didn't pop back up alive as secret recruits in with the endgame, we still have majority of villains simply being [[CardCarryingVillain openly evil]] and anyone important having an UnexplainedRecovery. Nevertheless there are two examples.
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Mustafa, a Plegian General who is so touched by the previous chapter's sacrifice that he does not wish to fight you, but must because his king king, Gangrel, [[IHaveYourWife will most probably bring harm to his family otherwise.otherwise]]. Even before the battle starts, he realizes his own men don't feel like fighting either, and volunteers to take the blame for them if they choose to leave. It's actually this bravery in the face of punishment that makes them decide to stay until the end.
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end. It becomes even more of a PlayerPunch when you realize he was also the kind of general that was AFatherToHisMen. Not only are his dying words a plea to spare his men, but a conversation between Ricken and Plegian recruit Henry reveals that Mustafa used to give Henry a bag of peaches whenever he visited, because he reminded him of his son and even considered Henry a part of his family.


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*** Victor and Vincent are a pair of cheerful bandit twins who raid villages and have a very close relationship. If Victor is killed, the surviving Twin, Vincent is [[EvenEvilHasLovedOnes despondent]] and seeks to get his brother a grave after his AvengingTheVillain is completed. While the whole thing was playedForLaughs, many players found it [[UnintentionallySympathetic genuinely touching]] and sympathized with the bandit twins.
26th Jan '17 5:33:00 AM MegaSolipsist
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** [[spoiler:For most of the game he's an arrogant creep at best and deranged psycho at worst, who you learn is responsible for the murder of Rachel Amber, and when you are told that he has been murdered it seems like karma. However, Rachel's death was an accident, as Nathan kidnapped her by himself to impress Mr Jefferson, the only FatherFigure to show any compassion or praise towards Nathan, which backfired horribly. Once you escape the Dark Room you receive his final message, a voicemail on your phone in which he warns you that Mr Jefferson is out to kill you, before he breaks down and begs forgiveness for what he's done, sobbing in remorse.]]

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** [[spoiler:For most of the game he's an arrogant creep at best and deranged psycho at worst, who you learn is responsible for the murder of Rachel Amber, and when you are told that he has been murdered it seems like karma. However, Rachel's death was an accident, as Nathan kidnapped her by himself to impress Mr Jefferson, the only FatherFigure ParentalSubstitute to show any compassion or praise towards Nathan, which backfired horribly. Once you escape the Dark Room you receive his final message, a voicemail on your phone in which he warns you that Mr Jefferson is out to kill you, even as he knows that Jefferson is coming to kill him first, before he breaks down and begs forgiveness for what he's done, sobbing in remorse.]]



** It is strongly implied that [[spoiler:Nathan was in love, or at least infatuated with Rachel]] and various conversation options throughout the game reveal that [[spoiler:Nathan's mental condition has been noticeably deteriorating ever since her /disappearancedeath]] although the only person to notice was [[spoiler:Victoria Chase, who genuinely cares about Nathan, and her misunderstanding over this is a large part of her hostility towards Max.]]

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** It is strongly implied that [[spoiler:Nathan was in love, or at least infatuated with Rachel]] and various conversation options throughout the game reveal that [[spoiler:Nathan's mental condition has been noticeably deteriorating ever since her /disappearancedeath]] disappearance/death]] although the only person to notice was [[spoiler:Victoria Chase, who genuinely cares about Nathan, and her misunderstanding over this is a large part of her hostility towards Max.]]
26th Jan '17 5:25:55 AM MegaSolipsist
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--> [[spoiler:For most of the game he's an arrogant creep at best and deranged psycho at worst, who you learn is responsible for the murder of Rachel Amber, and when you are told that he has been murdered it seems like karma. However, once you escape the Dark Room you receive his final message, a voicemail on your phone in which he warns you that Mr Jefferson is out to kill you, before he breaks down and begs forgiveness for what he's done, sobbing in remorse.]]
--> Made even more impactful if you explore [[spoiler:his room while searching for clues]] and the principal's office, where you can find [[spoiler: an email from his sister expressing concern that their abusive father (who sent her away to the other side of the world for defying him) will try to mould him into his own image to continue the family legacy whatever the cost, reminding Nathan that she still loves him and cares for him]] as well as [[spoiler:the school psychiatrists report, which repeatedly emphasises Nathan's unstable mental condition. It also reveals that Nathan suffers disconnection from reality, anxiety and possibly bipolar disorder, and his psychiatrist recommends Nathan see someone more qualified for such conditions, but Nathan's father insisted that Nathan simply be given heavy medication and be left at Blackwell.]]

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--> ** [[spoiler:For most of the game he's an arrogant creep at best and deranged psycho at worst, who you learn is responsible for the murder of Rachel Amber, and when you are told that he has been murdered it seems like karma. However, once Rachel's death was an accident, as Nathan kidnapped her by himself to impress Mr Jefferson, the only FatherFigure to show any compassion or praise towards Nathan, which backfired horribly. Once you escape the Dark Room you receive his final message, a voicemail on your phone in which he warns you that Mr Jefferson is out to kill you, before he breaks down and begs forgiveness for what he's done, sobbing in remorse.]]
--> ** Made even more impactful if you explore [[spoiler:his room while searching for clues]] and the principal's office, where you can find [[spoiler: an email from his sister expressing concern that their abusive father (who sent her away to the other side of the world for defying him) will try to mould him into his own image to continue the family legacy whatever the cost, reminding Nathan that she still loves him and cares for him]] as well as [[spoiler:the school psychiatrists report, which repeatedly emphasises Nathan's unstable mental condition. It also reveals that Nathan suffers disconnection from reality, anxiety and possibly bipolar disorder, and his psychiatrist recommends Nathan see someone more qualified for such conditions, but Nathan's father insisted that Nathan simply be given heavy medication and be left at Blackwell.]]
** It is strongly implied that [[spoiler:Nathan was in love, or at least infatuated with Rachel]] and various conversation options throughout the game reveal that [[spoiler:Nathan's mental condition has been noticeably deteriorating ever since her /disappearancedeath]] although the only person to notice was [[spoiler:Victoria Chase, who genuinely cares about Nathan, and her misunderstanding over this is a large part of her hostility towards Max.
]]
26th Jan '17 5:16:28 AM MegaSolipsist
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*[[spoiler:Nathan Prescott]] from ''VideoGame/LifeIsStrange''
--> [[spoiler:For most of the game he's an arrogant creep at best and deranged psycho at worst, who you learn is responsible for the murder of Rachel Amber, and when you are told that he has been murdered it seems like karma. However, once you escape the Dark Room you receive his final message, a voicemail on your phone in which he warns you that Mr Jefferson is out to kill you, before he breaks down and begs forgiveness for what he's done, sobbing in remorse.]]
--> Made even more impactful if you explore [[spoiler:his room while searching for clues]] and the principal's office, where you can find [[spoiler: an email from his sister expressing concern that their abusive father (who sent her away to the other side of the world for defying him) will try to mould him into his own image to continue the family legacy whatever the cost, reminding Nathan that she still loves him and cares for him]] as well as [[spoiler:the school psychiatrists report, which repeatedly emphasises Nathan's unstable mental condition. It also reveals that Nathan suffers disconnection from reality, anxiety and possibly bipolar disorder, and his psychiatrist recommends Nathan see someone more qualified for such conditions, but Nathan's father insisted that Nathan simply be given heavy medication and be left at Blackwell.]]
4th Jan '17 4:13:17 PM nombretomado
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** SelfDemonstrating/GLaDOS and Wheatley. Neither of them die, but during the core transfer, GLaDOS screams in pain and it's terrifying. Wheatley shoots right into antagonist territory, destroying her power. And then you transfer them ''again'', and throw him into space, and he gets an absolutely heartbreaking apology monologue. It makes you wonder who to feel sorry for at that point.

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** SelfDemonstrating/GLaDOS and Wheatley. Neither of them die, but during the core transfer, GLaDOS [=GLaDOS=] screams in pain and it's terrifying. Wheatley shoots right into antagonist territory, destroying her power. And then you transfer them ''again'', and throw him into space, and he gets an absolutely heartbreaking apology monologue. It makes you wonder who to feel sorry for at that point.
11th Dec '16 10:38:49 AM ShivaIndis
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* ''VideoGames/{{Galerians}}'' wants you to feel bad for all the titular Galerians. AxeCrazy psychic superhumans though they may be, they are just pawns in a [[AIIsACrapshoot deranged A.I.'s]] [[AGodAmI bid at godhood]] in the end. This leads to some serious SelectiveCondemnation, in that the protagonist [[ContemplateOurNavels navel-gazes]] after killing Galerians, but offs security guards and research personnel without a second thought.

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* ''VideoGames/{{Galerians}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Galerians}}'' wants you to feel bad for all the titular Galerians. AxeCrazy psychic superhumans though they may be, they are just pawns in a [[AIIsACrapshoot deranged A.I.'s]] [[AGodAmI bid at godhood]] in the end. This leads to some serious SelectiveCondemnation, in that the protagonist [[ContemplateOurNavels navel-gazes]] after killing Galerians, but offs security guards and research personnel without a second thought.
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