This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Elihu: The Linux example is a long and largely veering into natter unrelated to the meat of the trope. Does anyone want to edit it to stay explicitly relevant or move it here?
Sikon: I think the 2007 Transformers movie is loathed more for things like "ruining the spirit of Transformers" (for example, that's what I criticize it for) than for being popular. sluimers: I agree, it was bad because the movie looked like a bunch of movies plastered together and gave it the title "Transformers". I think a more fitting title would have been "American Pie meets the Transformers". The movie would have looked no different at all, give or take a few extra obnoxious characters.
bluepenguin: Removed the Yu-Gi-Oh:TAS "example," because I don't really think "this series could possibly reference this trope but hasn't yet" is worth mentioning.
Patsy: The Mighty Boosh DOES suck now that it's popular. Though putting that on the main page would probably not be very helpful.
Prfnoff: Removed this, for Complaining About People Complaining About Shows They Don't Like (Popular Or Not):
- It seems common among musical theater fans for people to hate Andrew Lloyd Webber simply because he's more popular and well known than Sondheim or whoever wrote "Kismet".
Mark Z: Is this a Five Iron Frenzy quote I see before me? Wow. All the TMBG stuff I expected, but... truly, this wiki is a paradise. I think I've died and gone to geek heaven.
Steven: Is it alright if I were to use Final Fantasy as an example? It seems like there's more and more people today that complain about how the series is too mainstream and it sucks.
Eric DVH: When wasn't FF mainstream? FF was a huge seller, FFVI was probably the first game to be swamped in fans, and FFVII is probably the most fanfic'd game ever. Surely nobody sincerely thinks FFXII bent to populism any more than FFVII?
Knox: Can I just say whoever added the Dan le sac quote needs a whole bucket of awesome. I thought of that exact song as I clicked the trope link and lo and behold, there it is, sitting in front of me. I'm practicly River Tam.
Sorcyress: Regarding Sweeney Todd, is there any way to differentiate between "it's popular and now it sucks" from "adaptation decay"? Because while I think the movie is mediocre, I still very much enjoy listening to the musical, and would jump at the chance to go see it again. Or am I just being needlessly sensitive to my fandom?
High Five: My all-time favourite book is being made into a movie, which will be released in 2011. I can't wait to be able to do this. (I probably won't in the end, but...)
Cambdoranononononono: A message for someone more proficient in tracking redirects than I: If you were bothered by the fact that I should have said "me" back there, surely you ought to be motivated to capitalize the second "it" in the title.
Rebochan: Pulled a bunch of growing natter from the Final Fantasy VII entry. Collected here:
- Don't forget the CG cinematics, and that it was the first in 3D! Both of these things do lampshade complaints older-school fans have with the game as well as subsequent ones: the series became even more flash vs. substance, and that the 3D, as well as associated programming quirks, and most of all, the summon sequences, resulted in lengthier battles.
- That said, it annoys many people who don't exactly hate it but believe that there are plenty of other RP Gs that are just as good if not better but don't get the attention they deserve. And as some believe, including this troper, Final Fantasy VII was watered down in various areas compared to various past entries, particularly the Super Nintendo ones, in a fashion similar to Metallica's Black Album.
This Troper and a TV Tropes Drinking Game entry. Also abuse of lampshading (unless Square actually made fun of their own cutscenes). Then there's this and...
- There is a legitimate gripe within this, given that other RPG series/franchises worthy of attention, namely Suikoden and Shin Megami Tensei, don't receive as much attention.
Okay, as I pointed out in the edit history, that's like saying Star Wars sucks because Logan's Run is obscure. I know people do this all the time, but it's still missing the point entirely. Also, it's acting out the trope ("This series sucks because it's popular and [insert franchise here] isn't!")
- There is a legitimate complaint here within this as well, given that some of the newer Final Fantasy fans still don't acknowledge earlier entries as much, and believe that it gets too much credit as a series trendsetter, when many of those trends were already in place with its predecessor Final Fantasy VI.
Enacting the trope again. Plus the entry already points out that Final Fantasy VII was the first RPG a lot of folks played, so it's redundant whining.
Mr.Lostman: Arguably, xkcd itself is falling victim to this trope. There's an entire blog[1]
about it.
Popularity isn't the reason why it's disliked and/or hated over there. It's the perceived overall declining of quality. The reason is generally "Its Awful Now It Sucks".
reinoe: To Black Ace. Why did you delete line 71? Recreating line.
Are these actually Justifying Edits? :
- Star Trek was, however, a huge franchise long before the latest film, and was universally known (if not universally watched). While the film certainly aimed at a broader audience, this probably isn't a straight example of this trope.
- As the cartoon at the top of the article suggests, the complaints from those fans who didn't like the film had more to do with the changes the film made to Star Trek, rather than the fact that it was "popular"... which, again, isn't quite what this trope is about.
Doctor Nemesis: I'd argue that being "well-known" isn't necessarily synonymous with being "popular"; a lot of people may have heard of Star Trek, but for a long time the people who were mostly actually watching it were mostly the hardcore fans, and it didn't appear to have a particularly strong mainstream appeal. There's definitely an element of 'They Changed It, Now It Sucks!' involved, as you say, but considering that most of those changes were explicitly made in order to expand the viewer base from the hardcore fans in order to engage a mainstream audience I'd say it belongs in this trope as well.
