This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
fleb: Hey, Orihime... who's that in the picture?◊
Orihime: I honestly don't remember her name (or if she has one), all I know is that she's a girl from one of the Studio E-go H-games. If I *do* find out, though, I'll tell ya.
- I couldn't find the girls' name, but it's confirmed that she's from a Studio E-Go game. More exactly, the Izumo series. And I replaced the pic with a better version.
Arima Reiji: @Janitor, I'm not sure - what would suffice to make Orihime's picture acceptable rather than a case of Just A Face And A Caption? Granted, it's true that the picture is only of her face - but since the trope is about an emotional state, it seems appropriate. Similar examples off the top of my head where the facial expression is the critical element: Genki Girl, Yandere, Break the Cutie, Ax-Crazy.
Prfnoff: Removing all
Canon Sue examples:
Rebochan: Putting them back, see Canon Sue discussion, yada yada yada.
Vergil: Ender as a Sympathy Sue? He's certainly the Woobie, but he doesn't exist only to be given sympathy by others. Considering what he did, I'd say his angst and self hatred are more than justified, especially because he can never, EVER move on from his past. He ends up doing a lot of good in his later books, doesn't go begging for attention, and it's probably a safe bet to say that without his influence, many things would have gone straight to hell.
Stuff
Canon
Anime
- Chris Thorndyke of Sonic X. He constantly goes emo about having 'No real friends' and being lonely, despite the fact that he does have friends at school who are never portrayed as anything less than genuine, his loving Grandpa with Tails-esque intelligence, doting house maid and butler for company. And while his parents aren't always around, they do show up sometimes and they're BOTH famous and rich. And yet he still thinks his life will suck without Sonic holding his hand, regardless of being the richest kid in town, who is beloved by all.
- Not to mention his Purity Sue moments, such as when he convinced Shadow to reform from his wicked ways because he looked like Maria. That was AFTER Shadow beat the hell out of him. What makes this even worse is that on Sonic Adventure 2, this was Amy's role.
- In #36 of the comic version of Sonic X, a rich and highly obnoxious character is introduced. The human kids point out that rich people tend to act that way. Sonic mentions that Chris isn't that way but he's just as rich. The human kids say that this is because Chris is a nice guy.
Chris (in #36 and all the time): "I don't want people to treat me differently just because my family has money. I'm just like everybody else."
This Troper thought: "Yeah. Only richer."
Literature
- Despite liking Kate Forsythe's novels, this troper must reluctantly place Rhiannon o' the Dubhslain (of the Rhiannon's Ride trilogy) on the list: She's a Half-Human Hybrid who starts out being reviled for looking too human. Once she's among humans, she gets grief for having been Raised by Wolves. In the second book, she's on death row for having killed a royal guard in what was basically self-defense. But she ends up not only going free, but in a position of respect...and everyone who started out disliking her (including a romantic rival) has had a change of heart, died, or both. She also turns out to be the long-lost bastard daughter of a nobleman. And on top of all that...she's got a flying horse.
- Ender Wiggin in the Speaker for the Dead series. Trained as a soldier from age six, he finds himself placed in circumstances deliberately angled against him, alienated from all his peers, and reviled as a genocide a frustratingly short period after saving Earth from an alien race.
- Um, to be fair, "Speaker" takes place more than three thousand years after the first book, and going from humanity hating the alien enemy to feeling a bit sad they're dead to hating Ender for killing them probably took a while.
- Laciel from Sharon Green's Far Side of Forever series is a powerful sorceress that can imitate her teammates' abilities, has a pet demon, and spends an entire book not understanding that every male teammate of her is in love with her. Because she has no experience with men, you see. And she was raped. More than once but the second time was to teach her her place.
Live-Action TV
- Captain Jack Harkness, but only in his Torchwood incarnation. The character as originally created by Steven Moffatt for series one of the new Doctor Who was a lovable rogue. Once the Torchwood writing staff got their hands on him, he became tortured and angsty, had pretty much the entire team making googly eyes at him, and by the end of the series had become an almost messianic figure. Note that his later guest appearances on Doctor Who brings him back to the original characterization, regardless of what happens to him on Torchwood.
- ...Which evaporates the second he's back on his own show. After his Christlike antics in the finale of the first season, at the end of the second he spends some time being tortured in a cruciform pose for a while (again) then allows himself to be buried alive for TWO THOUSAND years of continual death and revival - OUTDOING Christ in terms of suffering by a considerable margin- by his crazy long-lost brother. Then he ROSE FROM THE TOMB, with his sanity, clothes and haircut completely intact, to utter the words "I forgive you."
- To be fair, the Torchwood writers were basically told "Here, have this guy. We don't know who he is, where he came from, or why he acts the way he does, except that he's missing two years of his life due to the work of an organization he trusted and he's pissed about it." And it's always possible that hanging with the Doctor brings out the best in him, whether that's the main part or not.
Webcomics
- Luna from Dominic Deegan: Oracle For Hire. She's perfect in every way except for a pair of tusks, which don't really provide any impairment and look more like a fetish point than anything that detracts from her appearance. In spite of both the fact that this is a minor annoyance at worst and how it could be resolved within minutes (I guess "alterists" must be really creepy), this (and her cruel family that fixated on this exact same problem) leads to her having extremely low self esteem and even attempting suicide. This is all handled with the subtlety of a jackhammer and just completely ignores that she's otherwise beautiful, smart, and highly skilled in magic. Single-Issue Psychology at its worst. Let's not even get started on the virginity loss storyline...
- Eventually, this aspect of her is pretty much dropped when she gained some self-esteem and she becomes the same sort of combination Purity Sue (everybody that isn't Obviously Evil™ loves her) and God-Mode Sue (every single spell she casts works to maximum effect regardless of logic) as every other primary character. Of course, there is the occasional callback to this characterization every now and then.
- Some would argue that Ariel from Drow Tales counts. She has a bizarre origin story and wangst, and she gets away with murdering a kid in front of his family, as well as her oldest friend for his perfectly reasonable reactions.
Western Animation
- From Hey Arnold, Helga's beautiful and brilliant, but neurotic and dangerously out-of-reality older sister Olga. Depending on the episode, she seems to walk the thin line between being a real Sympathetic Sue and being a deconstruction of the Purity Sue concept.
Decide the fate of the examples here.
Rebochan: This page just seems to be either copying from Wangst or not really describing a specific type of Sue at all. There might be a trope in here, so I'm not sending it for the cutlist yet, but the introduction is so meandering and vague that the examples have, not surprisingly, just started to mirror the examples on
Wangst. Maybe if the character's tragedy is their only defining trait? That still doesn't sound like a Sue though. Since we are trying ot dump the redundant or unnecessary Sue pages, this one is the next I think should go on the chopping block. Suggestions?
fleb: Yeah. This page has a problem, but let's not give up and cut it. IMO, the Mary Sue categories should work something like this: examples have to qualify as Mary Sue independent of the category they might fit in. Meaning they have to warp the story like a black hole, in some way. Determining if their Sympathy-baiting is their dominant trait shouldn't be part of that reasoning.
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Orihime: Cut the Inu Yasha example for being less of a propler example and more like pure Kagome bashing. The Wangst page already explained why a good part of her angst is more or less understandable, anyway. Dude, hating her is NOT enough a reason to accuse her of being a Sue.
- This article could practically have been written for Kagome from Inu Yasha. She spends a ludicrous amount of time crying into pink pillows and stuffed animals about how terrible the world is to her and asking her perfect mom for advice, while her friends are off in the feudal era in mortal danger fighting demons. Did I mention every single one of her feudal-era friends are orphans who've seen their family members brutally slaughtered except for her? That many of them were attacked by the people they loved the most thanks to Naraku's influence? Or that none of them seem to have any problems bending over backwards to comfort Kagome about her incredibly minor problems, to the point of downplaying their own suffering so hers can be in the spotlight? And anyone who doesn't get with the program is a Jerkass.
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Sabre Justice: Maybe this page description could use a rewrite, because I want to add a common sympathetic trait (being a single mother or pregnant, and the baby is basically a Living Prop) but I'm not sure where to put it.