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Working Title: Our Elves Are Better: From YKTTW
Bob: One question: Why is Elf Quest under Video Games?
Earnest: It was a wild guess on my part, I got zero info on it in the ykktw.
Bob: That explains it. It should be under Comics.
Looney Toons: I'll move it in just a moment. I just wanted to note that I had the elf quotes handy, but not attributions for them; they're both from a set of (ahem) explicit heroic fantasy stories/parodies that were posted to the net some ten years or so ago; I'm not going to look them up at work and get in trouble, so I have to wait until I get home to get the correct attributions.
Looney Toons: (two nights later) Okay, attribution is now there. Follow at your own risk, as it is so very definitely Not Safe For Work.
Peteman: Would anyone agree with me in that there are generally five types of elves? All of the above, and Half Elves. Half-Elves are usually outcasts, or if not outcasts, then have utterly embraced one of their parentages completely (not surprisingly, usually the Elf part because humans suck). We have Mr. Spock (half-Vulcan, embraced Vulcan side), Elrond (half-Elf, embraced Elf side), Elros (half-Elf, embraced human side... for some reason), Tanis (half-elf, reject), the entire half-elf population in Dungeons and Dragons (generally outcasts).
Fast Eddie: Quote too long
- ''As a rule, elves are both beautiful and graceful — and they know it, too, which is my major problem with the manky little gits.
- — "Wulf", in Heart of the Lion 3: The Red and The Green (NSFW!), by Anthony Pryor-Brown
Looney Toons: I'm rather fond of that quote. I've put a much-truncated version back on the page. Better, I hope.
The Nifty: Errant Story "Despite all of this, they generally are better than the relatively shallow and brutal humans of their world." Really? the only particularly bad humans in Errant Story are members of either the Corrupt Church or the bandits. Even members of the assassin guild are shown as decent enough people. On the other hand; there's a grand total of 2 elves in the entire story (Sarine and Misa) who aren't xenophobic genocidal narcissistic dicks. I'm cutting it.
Peteman: I removed the Hearing bit on Minbari, because it was established in Legend of the Rangers that Minbari hearing is better (human ears are 'bigger and better placed' was the retort).
Fredgiblet: Elfquest is not a subversion of No Facial Hair, IIRC the only Elfquest elves with facial hair are the Wolfriders, they have facial hair because they aren't pure-blooded, they crossed with wolves way back.
- No, there was at least one non-Wolfrider character with facial hair. It was considered something of an anomalous trait, but he had it.
- I vaguely remembered that maybe one of the ex-Go-Backs had facial hair, so OK.
Qit el-Remel: I would like to thank the rude individual who nuked most of an entry as "useless natter"—apparently without reading it—for making more work for the rest of us.
Rebochan: Pulled the Gulliver's Travels entry. Because horses? Are totally *not* elves. Can't Argue with Elves already discussed the same thing anyway, and its a trope that doesn't just apply to elves. This one is *entirely* about elves.
Lonewolf23k: I think Dark Elves are different enough from other Elves that they qualify for a full Trope page of their own. Especially since they're such a recurring cliché of Fantasy settings that -not- having them qualifies as a subversion.
priopraxis: Does the statement "elves are often a dying race" belong on the page ?
nroejb: As they're becoming quite common for some time now, maybe Ice Elves (Elder Scrolls, Realms of Arkania, Sacred, Spellforce...) should be added to the list.
Whoeverski: Cut the following, because the only similarity they seem to have with elves is being humanoid.
- One could argue that the Marat from the Codex Alera fall into this trope. They are a race of {{Proud Warrior Race Guy}]s that are closer to other creatures than Alerans, have natural white hair, and are virtually human. However, if they do fall into this trope they would also be quite the subversion, as they are most certainly not the Superior Species, aren't all smug bastards, some of them aren't pretty at all, and they are implied to be descended from Neanderthals. Oh yeah, and they eat people.
The Unknown: I have a problem with this Trope. You see I have been reading this web story called Arcana Magi and the author introduced elves in his story. The thing is that his story is set in modern times, and his elves are depicted as scientists and executives on the Board of Directors, and they don't fit in any of the type of elves listed in this Trope. I don't how to exemplify his elves with this trope and I was thinking of maybe adding Modern Elves and it's definition to the list. But I'm worried someone is going to get me banned if I do add this, even though there is proof that this story exist and there are Modern Elves used in this particular story. This isn't some random Troll thing I'm trying to do. Any advice on how I should approach this? Thank you for your time and help.
Dausuul: I'd just file them under High Elves. While High Elves are usually in Medieval Stasis, they don't have to be. If you feel there's enough of a difference to require a new category, then go ahead and put in Modern Elves. This is a wiki, you're supposed to edit and improve the articles. (Unless you've been warned for doing Bad Stuff on TV Tropes previous to this.)
The Unknown: No, No, No. I don't have a blemish record with TV Tropes. But given the way this tropes was written, and it's title called Our Elves Are Better, I assumed A) that there was set structure of Elves that had to be followed in order to make a Trope Example of Elves and B) that under Our Elves Are Different, Tropers may have been writing random types of elves that were not relevent to the original Trope Article and I don't want to be guilty of breaking any rules this Trope was designed to do. If no one has a problem with me adding Modern Elves along with the example from Arcana Magi, I'll be happy to post it up right away, or else I will go ahead and label them as High Elves to maintain the rules of this Trope.
Dausuul: Dude, you're being way too formal about this. We're not Wikipedia here. Go for it. If someone really doesn't think it belongs, they'll just take it out again. :)
The Unknown: Okay. :)
