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27th Mar '17 12:48:28 AM Theriocephalus
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** The original elven subraces were the dark elves, also called the Dokkalfar, and the light elves, the Vanir[[note]] that the Vanir were a race of ''gods'' in Norse mythology should tell you a lot about the light elf worldview[[/note]]. Following a magical apocalypse largely of their own doing that forced them underground, the elves evolved into the Drow, themselves divided into the black-skinned Drowolath, the rarer grey-skinned Drowussu, [[spoiler:the difference comes from which of the two elven races they descend from]] and the degenerate, sightless Xuile'solen, MoleMen equivalents resulting from elves failing to adapt to the underground.
** A few unusual traits includes their immortality being conditional on being in a high-{{mana}} environment, meaning among a large number of other elves. If alone, they will begin to age and eventually die. Their ears also get more pointed as they age, as keratin is continuously laid down: young elves' ears are simple triangles, while long, sharply pointed ears are the only real sign of age in ancient elves. Also, drow skin colors change slightly depending on where they come from -- Chelian drow have chcoloate-brown skin, those from Mimaneid are more charcoal-grey, Nuqran drow are light grey and so on.

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** The original elven subraces were the dark elves, also called the Dokkalfar, and the light elves, the Vanir[[note]] that the Vanir were a race of ''gods'' in Norse mythology should tell you a lot about the light elf worldview[[/note]]. Following a magical apocalypse largely of their own doing that forced them underground, the elves evolved into the Drow, themselves divided into the black-skinned Drowolath, the rarer ash grey-skinned Drowussu, [[spoiler:the difference comes from which of the two elven races they descend from]] and the degenerate, sightless Xuile'solen, MoleMen equivalents resulting from elves failing to adapt to the underground.
** A few unusual traits includes their immortality being conditional on being in a high-{{mana}} environment, meaning among a large number of other elves. If alone, they will begin to age and eventually die. Their ears also get more pointed as they age, as keratin is continuously laid down: young elves' ears are simple triangles, while long, sharply pointed ears are the only real sign of age in ancient elves. Also, drow skin colors change slightly depending on where they come from -- Chelian drow have chcoloate-brown skin, those from Mimaneid are more charcoal-grey, Nuqran drow are light lighter grey and so on.
27th Mar '17 12:47:19 AM Theriocephalus
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* ''{{Webcomic/Drowtales}}'': The elves are immortal humanoids with magic powers and a culture vaguely reminiscent of a matriarchal version of the ancient Rome. Largely as a result of the aforementioned immortality and being the only widespread species able to use magic, they're arrogant enough to consider humans and orcs dumb animals, enslave them, and [[ImAHumanitarian use them for food]], but the whole thing is as much DeliberateValuesDissonance as arrogance--for instance, food is scarce enough BeneathTheEarth that they can't afford to let good meat go to waste.
** The original elven subraces were the dark elves, also called the Dokkalfar, and the light elves, the Vanir[[note]] that the Vanir were a race of gods in Norse mythology should tell you a lot about the light elf worldview[[/note]]. Following a magical apocalypse largely of their own doing that forced them underground, the elves evolved into the Drow, themselves divided into the black-skinned Drowolath, the rarer grey-skinned Drowussu, and the degenerate, sightless Xuile'solen, MoleMen equivalents resulting from elves failing to adapt to the underground.

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* ''{{Webcomic/Drowtales}}'': The elves are immortal humanoids with magic powers and a culture vaguely reminiscent of a matriarchal version of the ancient Rome. Largely as a result of the aforementioned immortality and being the only widespread species able to use magic, they're arrogant enough to consider humans and orcs dumb animals, enslave them, and [[ImAHumanitarian use them for food]], but the whole thing is as much DeliberateValuesDissonance as arrogance--for arrogance -- for instance, food is scarce enough BeneathTheEarth that they can't afford to let good meat go to waste.
** The original elven subraces were the dark elves, also called the Dokkalfar, and the light elves, the Vanir[[note]] that the Vanir were a race of gods ''gods'' in Norse mythology should tell you a lot about the light elf worldview[[/note]]. Following a magical apocalypse largely of their own doing that forced them underground, the elves evolved into the Drow, themselves divided into the black-skinned Drowolath, the rarer grey-skinned Drowussu, [[spoiler:the difference comes from which of the two elven races they descend from]] and the degenerate, sightless Xuile'solen, MoleMen equivalents resulting from elves failing to adapt to the underground.underground.
** A few unusual traits includes their immortality being conditional on being in a high-{{mana}} environment, meaning among a large number of other elves. If alone, they will begin to age and eventually die. Their ears also get more pointed as they age, as keratin is continuously laid down: young elves' ears are simple triangles, while long, sharply pointed ears are the only real sign of age in ancient elves. Also, drow skin colors change slightly depending on where they come from -- Chelian drow have chcoloate-brown skin, those from Mimaneid are more charcoal-grey, Nuqran drow are light grey and so on.
20th Mar '17 10:29:45 AM LovePsychothefirst
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** The Kritya from ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' are High Elves who live in a city of CrystalSpiresAndTogas and can talk with the [[OurMonstersAreDifferent Entelexia]] via {{Telepathy}}.

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** The Kritya from ''VideoGame/TalesOfVesperia'' are High Elves who live in a city of CrystalSpiresAndTogas and can talk with the [[OurMonstersAreDifferent Entelexia]] via {{Telepathy}}. They aren't better though; aside from all being, to some extent, [[CloudCuckooLander Cloud Cuckoo Landers]], they are just as apt to making mistakes [[spoiler: with both the problems of the ancient past and the more recent problems coming from Krityans having made blastia.]] They also are incapable of fighting due to their mindsets; [[MySpeciesDothProtestTooMuch except]] [[BloodKnight Judith]].
6th Mar '17 1:10:35 PM Theriocephalus
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* The Sithi and their cousins the Norns from the ''Literature/MemorySorrowAndThorn'' series are pretty archetypical elves, despite that term never being used for them. They're virtually immortal[[note]]It's said that a Sitha lives until something kills them or they get tired of life- they do seem to eventually reach a point where old age starts getting to them, but it takes millennia, and only the Norn Queen- the oldest of either race by a fair margin- actually shows visible signs of aging[[/note]], powerfully magical[[note]]though like Tolkien's Elves, they're not very comfortable with that word[[/note]] and not overly fond of mortals[[note]] though in most cases this is less about being snobby and more about the fact that certain mortals tried their hardest- and nearly succeeded- in committing genocide on them[[/note]]. They're also ''very'' alien by human standards, which seems like a combination of vast cultural differences, their long lives giving them an eerily long-term perspective, and the fact that most humans are pretty terrible at reading Sithi body language. The Sithi are a mix of High Elf and Wood Elf traits, and are generally benevolent, if isolationist; the Norns are arctic Dark Elves and extremely nasty customers- while the Sithi aren't exactly fond of humanity, the Norns think the only good human is a dead human.

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* The Sithi and their cousins the Norns from the ''Literature/MemorySorrowAndThorn'' series are pretty archetypical elves, despite that term never being used for them. They're virtually immortal[[note]]It's said that a Sitha lives until something kills them or they get tired of life- life -- they do seem to eventually reach a point where old age starts getting to them, but it takes millennia, and only the Norn Queen- Queen -- the oldest of either race by a fair margin- margin -- actually shows visible signs of aging[[/note]], powerfully magical[[note]]though like Tolkien's Elves, they're not very comfortable with that word[[/note]] and not overly fond of mortals[[note]] though in most cases this is less about being snobby and more about the fact that certain mortals tried their hardest- hardest -- and nearly succeeded- succeeded -- in committing genocide on them[[/note]]. They're also ''very'' alien by human standards, which seems like a combination of vast cultural differences, their long lives giving them an eerily long-term perspective, and the fact that most humans are pretty terrible at reading Sithi body language. The Sithi are a mix of High Elf and Wood Elf traits, and are generally benevolent, if isolationist; the Norns are arctic Dark Elves and extremely nasty customers- customers -- while the Sithi aren't exactly fond of humanity, the Norns think the only good human is a dead human.
6th Mar '17 11:56:29 AM Theriocephalus
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* ''[[FanFic/TheGodEmpressOfPonykind The Warmistress of Equestria]]''; the deer are [[{{Expy}} Expies]] of [[SpaceElves The Eldar]] in many respects, primarily naming schemes [[FantasticRacism and]] [[{{Jerkass}} haughtiness]].

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* ''[[FanFic/TheGodEmpressOfPonykind The ''FanFic/TheGodEmpressOfPonykind'': In ''The Warmistress of Equestria]]''; Equestria'', the deer are [[{{Expy}} Expies]] of [[SpaceElves The Eldar]] in many respects, primarily naming in schemes [[FantasticRacism and]] [[{{Jerkass}} haughtiness]].
3rd Mar '17 7:48:22 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* '''Wood Elves:''' [[FriendToAllLivingThings In tune with nature]] and prone to spiritual contemplation and [[TheEmpath empathy]]. All the same, they kick bow-y butt in combat. Generally they're magical in a [[ReligionIsMagic druidic]] rather than wizardly way. They can be found in a HiddenElfVillage in a forest and/or a TreeTopTown. Wood Elves may be good-natured guardians and/or guides for the forest and for people who travel through them, while darker takes on the Wood Elves may present them as either [[HeroicNeutral totally apathetic to anything going on outside the forest borders]], or worse, [[CrazySurvivalist ruthless isolationists]] who view any non-elf in their forest as a trespasser to be hunted down and [[DeadlyEuphemism "removed"]]. Obviously, they favor greens, browns, and flowy billowy clothes when they aren't wearing leaves. They tend to be amazing archers, but will also use knives and short swords which may not necessarily be made of metal. Sometimes they'll resemble a MagicalNativeAmerican. These guys are among the least stuck up elves and are usually the ones responsible for [[HalfHumanHybrid half-elves]], but they may replace CulturalPosturing with [[GreenAesop lectures on respecting nature]]. They also tend to be close allies with [[OurFairiesAreDifferent Fairies]] (if they, or Elves in general, are not Fae themselves), and may pattern [[TheFairFolk their morality]] from them.

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* '''Wood Elves:''' [[FriendToAllLivingThings In tune with nature]] and prone to spiritual contemplation and [[TheEmpath empathy]]. All the same, they kick bow-y butt in combat. Generally they're magical in a [[ReligionIsMagic druidic]] rather than wizardly way. They can be found in a HiddenElfVillage in a forest and/or a TreeTopTown. Wood Elves may be good-natured guardians and/or guides for the forest and for people who travel through them, while darker takes on the Wood Elves may present them as either [[HeroicNeutral totally apathetic to anything going on outside the forest borders]], or worse, [[CrazySurvivalist ruthless isolationists]] who view any non-elf in their forest as a trespasser to be hunted down and [[DeadlyEuphemism "removed"]]. Obviously, they favor greens, browns, and flowy billowy clothes when they aren't wearing leaves. They tend to be amazing archers, but will also use knives [[KnifeNut knives]] and short swords which may not necessarily be made of metal. Sometimes they'll resemble a MagicalNativeAmerican. These guys are among the least stuck up elves and are usually the ones responsible for [[HalfHumanHybrid half-elves]], but they may replace CulturalPosturing with [[GreenAesop lectures on respecting nature]]. They also tend to be close allies with [[OurFairiesAreDifferent Fairies]] (if they, or Elves in general, are not Fae themselves), and may pattern [[TheFairFolk their morality]] from them.
2nd Mar '17 12:27:30 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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** Link's original design looked rather elf-like due to his fairy-like clothes and PointyEars. According to Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto, this came from ''Disney/PeterPan.'' All subsequent games show Link is a Hylian, who despite their pointy ears aren't actually elf-like, but are pretty much [[FiveRaces mundane]] humans. It is rumored that their long ears allow them to hear the gods, but most Hylians are regular working class folk, and many are even surprised to see magic. Additionally, Hylians aren't supernaturally beautiful, with a good number of Hylian NPCs being {{Gonk}}s. Occasionally the elf confusion slips into advertising as a UK advert for ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaLinksAwakening Link's Awakening]]'' described Link as a "medieval elf." Don't actually ''call'' them "elves" unless you ''want'' to hit the FandomBerserkButton.

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** Link's original design looked rather elf-like due to his fairy-like clothes and PointyEars. According to Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto, this came from ''Disney/PeterPan.'' All subsequent games show Link is a Hylian, who despite their pointy ears aren't actually elf-like, but are pretty much [[FiveRaces mundane]] humans. It is rumored that their long ears allow them to hear the gods, but most Hylians are regular working class folk, and many are even surprised to see magic. Additionally, Hylians aren't supernaturally beautiful, with a good number of Hylian NPCs [=NPCs=] being {{Gonk}}s. Occasionally the elf confusion slips into advertising as a UK advert for ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaLinksAwakening Link's Awakening]]'' described Link as a "medieval elf." Don't actually ''call'' them "elves" unless you ''want'' to hit the FandomBerserkButton.
2nd Mar '17 12:26:44 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' Link's original design looked rather elf like due to his fairy like clothes, and PointyEars. According to Miyamoto this came from ''Disney/PeterPan.'' All subsequent games show Link is a Hylian, which all they have pointy ears aren't actually elf-like as they're pretty much [[FiveRaces mundane]] humans. It is rumored that their long ears allow them to hear the gods, but most Hylians are regular working class folk, many are even surprised to see magic. Additionally Hylians aren't supernaturally beautiful, and a good number of NPCs are {{Gonk}}s. Occasionally the elf confusion slips into advertising as a UK advert for ''VideoGame/LinksAwakening'' described Link as a "medieval elf." Don't actually ''call'' them "elves" unless you ''want'' to hit the FandomBerserkButton.
** Ocarina of Time has the Kokiri, who seem to be rather traditional examples of wood elves, complete with nature-based deity and a seemingly eternal childhood.

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* ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'' ''Franchise/TheLegendOfZelda'':
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Link's original design looked rather elf like elf-like due to his fairy like clothes, fairy-like clothes and PointyEars. According to Miyamoto Creator/ShigeruMiyamoto, this came from ''Disney/PeterPan.'' All subsequent games show Link is a Hylian, which all they have who despite their pointy ears aren't actually elf-like as they're elf-like, but are pretty much [[FiveRaces mundane]] humans. It is rumored that their long ears allow them to hear the gods, but most Hylians are regular working class folk, and many are even surprised to see magic. Additionally Additionally, Hylians aren't supernaturally beautiful, and with a good number of Hylian NPCs are being {{Gonk}}s. Occasionally the elf confusion slips into advertising as a UK advert for ''VideoGame/LinksAwakening'' ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaLinksAwakening Link's Awakening]]'' described Link as a "medieval elf." Don't actually ''call'' them "elves" unless you ''want'' to hit the FandomBerserkButton.
** ''[[VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOcarinaOfTime Ocarina of Time Time]]'' has the Kokiri, who seem to be rather traditional examples of wood elves, complete with nature-based deity and a seemingly eternal childhood.
2nd Mar '17 12:20:48 AM UmbrellasWereAwesome
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* The gigantic Zentradi from the Macross series zigzags this trope. They are effectively immortal, generally disciplined, remained in stasis in terms of technology & development, and have been retconned post-DYRL to sport pointy ears. At the same time, the Zentradi do not shy away from physical combat, they have no concept of beauty or art, and their only observable resemblance to culture prior to meeting humans was war.

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* The gigantic Zentradi from the Macross ''Anime/{{Macross}}'' series zigzags this trope. They are effectively immortal, generally disciplined, remained in stasis in terms of technology & development, and have been retconned post-DYRL post-[[Anime/MacrossDoYouRememberLove Do You Remember Love?]] to sport pointy ears. At the same time, the Zentradi do not shy away from physical combat, they have no concept of beauty or art, and their only observable resemblance to culture prior to meeting humans was war.
27th Feb '17 11:44:40 AM Theriocephalus
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* The Eldar of ''{{TabletopGame/Warhammer 40000}}'' are [[strike:akin to Space Elves]] ElvesInSpace! to the 'T', as the term Eldar was used by Creator/JRRTolkien to describe a subset of elves. Much like other denizens of the Warhammer 40K universe ([[OurOrcsAreDifferent Orks]], the now-defunct Squats, Necron), they are based on counterparts from the Warhammer Fantasy universe. Heirs to one of the oldest civilizations in existence, their hedonism and magical power created a Chaos God that [[ApocalypseHow almost destroyed their civilization]] and has plague the galaxy since. They even have two cousin factions: the Dark Eldar (who are dark elves RecycledInSpace with the dark aspect turned UpToEleven) and the Exodites (who are more or less planetary wood elves who prefer [[HiddenElfVillage isolation]] and [[MedievalStasis pastoral environments]]).

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* The Eldar of ''{{TabletopGame/Warhammer 40000}}'' ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'' are [[strike:akin to Space Elves]] ElvesInSpace! to the 'T', as the term Eldar was used by Creator/JRRTolkien to describe a subset of elves. Much like other denizens of the Warhammer 40K universe ([[OurOrcsAreDifferent Orks]], the now-defunct Squats, Necron), they are based on counterparts from the Warhammer Fantasy universe. Heirs to one of the oldest civilizations in existence, their hedonism and magical power created a Chaos God that [[ApocalypseHow almost destroyed their civilization]] and has plague the galaxy since. They even have two cousin factions: the Dark Eldar (who are dark elves RecycledInSpace with the dark aspect turned UpToEleven) and the Exodites (who are more or less planetary wood elves who prefer [[HiddenElfVillage isolation]] and [[MedievalStasis pastoral environments]]).



* The HighFantasy counterpart ''{{TabletopGame/Warhammer}},'' has fairly standard High, Dark, and Wood Elves (and Sea Elves, but [[CanonDiscontinuity no one talks about them anymore]]). The High Elf army book goes on and on about how the High Elves are the greatest wizards, warriors, etc. etc. etc. in the world.

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* The HighFantasy counterpart ''{{TabletopGame/Warhammer}},'' ''{{TabletopGame/Warhammer}}'' has fairly standard High, Dark, and Wood Elves (and Sea Elves, but [[CanonDiscontinuity no one talks about them anymore]]). The High Elf army book goes on and on about how the High Elves are the greatest wizards, warriors, etc. etc. etc. in the world.



*** {{TabletopGame/Warhammer}}'s Dark Elves also have ''[[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs velociraptor-mounted heavy cavalry]]''.
*** Even the High Elves of Ultuhan(read: Atlantis) are different (arguably MORE different than the other two) mainly due to the structure and tone of their military, which tends to focus a lot on combined arms. And also on really, really big [[{{BFS}} swords]] and [[AnAxeToGrind axes]], which aren't usually considered classical Elf weapons. But then, they wield their six-foot long two-handed swords ''gracefully''. Also, instead of the usual stereotypical rangers, they instead have Shadow Warriors, which are [[{{Ninja}} Ninjas]] really (down to the outfits).

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*** {{TabletopGame/Warhammer}}'s ''Warhammer'''s Dark Elves also have ''[[EverythingsBetterWithDinosaurs velociraptor-mounted heavy cavalry]]''.
*** Even the High Elves of Ultuhan(read: Ulthuan (read: Atlantis) are different (arguably MORE different than the other two) mainly due to the structure and tone of their military, which tends to focus a lot on combined arms. And also on really, really big [[{{BFS}} swords]] and [[AnAxeToGrind axes]], which aren't usually considered classical Elf weapons. But then, they wield their six-foot long two-handed swords ''gracefully''. Also, instead of the usual stereotypical rangers, they instead have Shadow Warriors, which are [[{{Ninja}} Ninjas]] really (down to the outfits).
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