This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
General wiki discussions.
New items at the top, please.
Prfnoff: Is the Lost banner ad badly coded? It's eating Firefox alive...
Frank75: OK, tell me, which admin is changing the template with the media categories back and forth?! I've sorted several dozen pages since I came here, and I prefer the simpler template with its seven categories. If anything, you may add Tabletop RPG, Web Comics, Music, Radio, Web Original and Real Life, usually you rarely need another category. And if you really, really want to keep the bigger template, remove either Music and Sound Effects or Music and Sound FX. And add categories for Musical and Opera.
Prfnoff: Is it just me, or are the Cut Masters acting too quickly? There doesn't seem to be enough time to defend tropes put on the Cut List before they are gone for good, particularly when they're neither useless redirects nor single-sentence abortions.
Kizor: It just occured to me that if the Tv Tropes Wiki was ever compiled into book form, we'd have to call it The Book.
Discuss.
A Eshtaer: "Discuss"? Seriously?
But, we'd have to find the oldest oldest one in the book, and call that the Oldest One In The Book. Kind of tricky...
Fast Eddie. There's that definite article problem again. Maybe This Book or These Tropes...
Seth: All Admin {Ask The Tropers Announcements and GD plus a few others) pages like this are update at the top, only discussion pages update at bottom.
Sci Vo can you stop trying to pin down format and guidelines, we are more informal than that.
Sci Vo: Wow, I managed to step on toes by trying to avoid stepping on toes. How ironic.
Seth: I don't mean to snap, you aren't doing anything wrong but a lot of attempts to set rules fall flat on their face and having less rules and guidelines makes it easier for people to jump in. If you have an idea of what needs done, then change it yourself. Setting rules just allows people to scare off new guys by having a go at them for not knowing them.
Of course this is just my opinion. New rules and guidelines are made every day. Most people only follow trifecta (Eddie, Janitor and Gus) approved ones though.
Fast Eddie: Guidelines, practices, etc. are constantly undergoing evolution. Tropers — on the whole, one or two exceptions — are polite about pointing out what seems to work best. None of the admins have any desire to be in a position of "approving" such things. We'll stay out of things that aren't tech or grammar, for the most part.
Sci Vo: Trust me: the last thing that I want to do is get involved in setting "policies" (air quotes and excessively precise pronunciation) and "guidelines" (sneer) and (erk) rules (choke). I just didn't know whether people were posting at the top or the bottom of this page, and then went over to Ask The Tropers with my actual question because I didn't have the patience...
HeartBurn Kid: Can somebody help me move X-Pac Heat to X-Pac Heat? The index bar doesn't like the hyphen in the page name, and the move page tool won't work for me for some reason...
Fast Eddie: How cool is this
?! Okay, if you are not a Neal Stephenson fan, it is maybe not so cool. But, really, if you are not a Neal Stephenson fan, there are few things left for you to learn about cool. ;-)
Looney Toons: Ooooooh, that's very cool. Very, very cool.
Duckluck: Awesome, I just hope they don't make too many stupid changes. Except for maybe cleaning up the climax a little.
Robert: There are already a few literary and film examples scattered around the site. How would people feel about extending this slightly, while still staying broadly TV based? I'm thinking that, just as we've got pages for Dracula and a Christmas Carol, so we could have pages for other non-TV Trope Makers, describing them, indexing the tropes they've spawned or popularised, and listing the TV homages and parodies. As long as we stick to major sources of TV tropes, we're still pretty close to the focus of this site.
Gus: That cat's been out of the bag for a good while, Robert. Go for it. As a matter of fact, you can kick off an index for Literature and one for Film, if you like. We'll see if the other forms of Literature catch any real references. Classification within Literature/Film by genre can be done with headings, for now.
If someone else hadn't grabbed "tropes.org" a long time ago, we might have been called that.
Ununnilium: Well, shoot, now all my work un-wiki-ing Lord Of The Rings and Star Wars has gone to waste.
Ununnilium: Is there any way to automatically have all the replies "open" for the new You Know That Thing Where?
Gus: The new YKTTW will be broken for about ten minutes, while I do a thing to a thing... // later ... and we're back. The discussion related to creation of Magnificent Bastard is now gone from YKKTW. The text and replies will transfer into Magnificent Bastard Discussion at a later time, when I have made a tool to do that thing.
Chrome Newfie: I still see the Magnificent Bastard discussion, even after fresh reloads.
Gus: Still? My announcement was a bit early.
Chrome Newfie: OK. It's gone now. Carry on.
Chrome Newfie: Didn't want to edit it myself, in case there's a reason for it, but I notice that General Discussion is listed twice under Administrivia. Also, the search box in "Recent Changes", and only recent changes, seems to be pooched. FYI.
Gus: The search thing is cleared up. Thanks for the report. There's no reason you shouldn't edit Administrivia. I'll go ahead and nick that one.
HeartBurn Kid: OK, so whose palm do I have to grease to get a "Preview" function around here? Having to follow each of my edits with three other edits to fix typos and broken links is really making me feel like a numbskull... :)
Gus: That is on the way. Progress is being made on it even today.
Chrome Newfie: This seems the best place to "check in".... OK, here's my next big project I'm planning. I want to re-organize the language related entries on the Useful Notes On Japanese Culture. They're strongly related, and I feel they should be grouped accordingly. I don't consider myself a Lumper or a Splitter, but I do like me my organizing hierarchy. ;) As with my previous/current large project, Names To Know In Anime, I won't remove the existing entries until I get feedback on the efforts. Any initial objections?
- And done, at least for the reorganization part. Opinions?
Kendra Kirai: Just thought I'd make a general discussion entry, for things that don't fit into the other 'Administrivia' stuff. Feel free to yay or nay it, Gus. :)
Gus: Hey, if it is useful, go for it!
Kendra Kirai: Okay then! Some basic rules...Just like on You Know That Thing Where, separate conversations and such with lines. This place is for stuff that doesn't obviously fit anywhere else, so if in doubt, go ahead and use this. Might need to archive some of the discussions at a later date, we'll see how much use this one gets. Enjoy, and always remember: Be Excellent to Each Other! (Airguitar'd!)
Tzintzuntzan: Okay, anyone having the technical problem I'm having? Apparently the search function no longer appears on the New Entries page.
Gus: That's not so much a bug as change. There was a robot that was bombing huge search strings into that field. Evidently, it is not smart enough to find the regular pages, so I yanked the field until I can figure a more elegant solution or the robot dies in a hair fire. Search is still available from any entry page.
Kendra Kirai: You know, I can't decide if I should be happy that nobody is editing my new entries to correct them, or sad that nobody is editing them and showing that they're at least reading them. I want feedback on some of 'em! I needs it! Precious, preciouss feedbacks! ... -cough- Anyhow...Anyone got and responses to The Ditz? I just had to make the entry when I realized that there wasn't an entry for a stupid character with no redeeming qualities. The Ditz has luck, The Fool is at least partially competent, and the Cloudcuckoolander has the excuse that they're insane (And from the examples I can think of, incredibly selfish) and the benefit of being a main character.
Tabby: Heh. I'm the same way, Kendra Kirai. The first non-me edit to an entry I created always makes me do a little dance at my desk.
Gus: You two aren't leaving little fix-me's in your entries as edit bait, are you? 'Cuz that would be nefarious and sneaky and damn it why didn't I ever think of that? :) The Ditz works. The illustration is perfect, pegs the guy.
Kendra Kirai: Technically, it's a character type, not about Ralph himself. It's just that Ralph is such a perfect, archetypical example that no other would be acceptable. Plus, I had the picture. :)
Gus: I got that. It pegs the type, then. Speaking of typing, he segued, I signed an email to my employer today with {{Gus}}: That can't be good.
Janitor: A trope is like a 'meme'. It should be something you can state in less than 50 words. It should have a name that is contagious.
There. I blurted that. I feel better, now.
Kendra Kirai: I'm wondering about this, is it too risque for here, or is it acceptable? It's bound for Censor Steam. Image.
◊ (Warning, potentially NSFW)
Seth: I completely support the use of that image.
Kendra Kirai: Anyone else for? Against?
Ununnilium: For! Doesn't seem like too much to me.
Kendra Kirai: Alrighty then, two for, none against, it'll go up. Not like it's hard to remove later if anyone objects. :)
Tabby: Oh noes! Teh nekkid! I am blinded! *collapses on the fainting couch*
...Sorry. Somebody had to.
Kendra Kirai: So, I'm wondering here...you other folks who have created entries. Does anyone else almost feel slighted when entries you make don't get added to? I mean, there's several ways to take it...One, nobody cares about the entry (Which is bad)...two, the entry is fine the way it is (Which is good), or three, nobody's noticed it (Which is bad). But it comes with a free frozen yogurt, which I call Frogurt! (Which is good!)
Andrew Leprich: Heh, some of the entries I've provided are big hits (Lost Forever, Gameplay and Story Segregation), while others have received... less attention (One-Man Army, It's Up to You). Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing is beyond me.
Large Blunt Object: There are indeed several ways to take it. One is to go through the entry and put in every wick you can. Link your page up on the series page of every example, pimp it HARD, so that everyone is aware of it. Another is to just leave it and hope the Wiki Magic does it for you.
(Yet another way is to write a page so awesome it gets a Made Of Win nomination, and then let it be the subject of massive drama, drawing the attention of the entire wiki. It was unintentional, but has now firmly secured "dakka" in the troper hivemind.)
