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MCE: Christianity was the virgin Mary somehow still get pregnant with gods child, surely that belongs in this trope.

And for no particular reason http://www.caffeine-headache.com/mock/series/quotes.php

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFc3ulirNvI

BritBllt: Rewriting...

  • The Virgin Mary, while not quite "rape" as Mary did get advance notice of what would happen from the angel Gabriel and was okay with it ("Here am I, a servant of the Lord..."). But saying no to the Almighty tends to not end well (just ask Jonah).
    • And as far as we know, she didn't even feel it.

If it's not rape, it's not this trope, but since the page can't last ten seconds without someone going "Jesus was born like this lol", I've written another entry to explain it in more neutral language.

Also removing...

  • Romulus organised the Rape of the Sabine women to populate his new city (Rome). In this case "rape" just meant "kidnapping". Romulus explicitly states that the women were to be treated as equals (or as equal as you could get in that kind of society). From Wikipedia:
    Livy is clear that no sexual assault took place. On the contrary, Romulus offered them free choice and promised civic and property rights to women. According to Livy he spoke to them each in person, "and pointed out to them that it was all owing to the pride of their parents in denying right of intermarriage to their neighbours. They would live in honourable wedlock, and share all their property and civil rights, and — dearest of all to human nature — would be the mothers of free men."
    • Of course as a Roman himself Livy was not exactly the most objective of sources, so take of that what you will.

Because Romulus wasn't a god. He does count as a demigod, but it also doesn't really involve rape.

And this one...

  • This is the backstory of Teen Titan Raven. Her mother Arella joined a cult and was seduced by Trigon in human form, and only realized too late what he really was. He raped her and conceived Raven.

Because Trigon's not a god, he's a demon, which I'm pretty sure is a whole different trope.

(I looked around, though, and apparently it's not. The closest match is Horny Devils, but it doesn't really seem focused on the conception angle. I don't know where else to list it, but this isn't the right page for it. The story makes no attempt to play out this trope, or justify Trigon's actions as "it's okay if it's divine on mortal": he's just a plain old demonic villain who's all about the evulz.)

  • While it can be debated as to whether Haruhi Suzumiya is a really a God or merely a Reality Warper, her constant molestation (and attempted rape in the first novel) of Moe blob Mikuru is pretty much this trope.

When will this Haruhi the Memetic Molester craze end? She playfully gropes Mikuru and dresses her up, there, done. That is not this trope: Haruhi isn't a god in any traditional sense (and Mikuru doesn't consider her to be a god either, so even taking it from the victim's perspective doesn't work), and I'd be hard-pressed to call anything she does to Mikuru "rape".

  • Theseus (son of Poseidon) abducted Antiope, and after she bore his child he lost interest in her, and abducted Helen.

Originally removed, but putting back up since the description does cite "demigods". I think that's going for an entirely different dynamic, though. Greek demigods lived, looked and acted like normal humans, and were considered heroic humans: their behavior wasn't the result of any divine double standard, it was just plain squicky Values Dissonance about how men at the time were expected to treat women.


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