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8th Aug '16 6:13:38 PM MsChibi
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* The story of Jesus' birth in ''Literature/TheBible'' is sometimes accused of being this, but ultimately averts this by Mary agreeing to it. The Book of Luke talks about a scene where an angel ([[ArchangelGabriel St. Gabriel the Archangel]]) tells Mary she is going to conceive and bear a son, and Mary is happy about this, saying, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word."[[note]]Although considering the possibility that Mary (according to some interpretations) might have been anywhere between 12 to 14 at the time of conception, whether or not she was capable of consenting is still somewhat dubious [[ValuesDissonance at least by modern standards]]. Even then, God did not have sex with Mary, he just placed Jesus in her womb, which was to make a point of His divinity that a virgin give birth. (This was before sperm donation.) [[/note]]

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* The story of Jesus' birth in ''Literature/TheBible'' is sometimes accused of being this, but ultimately averts this by Mary agreeing to it. The Book of Luke talks about a scene where an angel ([[ArchangelGabriel St. Gabriel the Archangel]]) tells Mary she is going to conceive and bear a son, and Mary is happy about this, saying, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord. May it be done to me according to your word."[[note]]Although considering the possibility that Mary (according to some interpretations) might have been anywhere between 12 to 14 at the time of conception, whether or not she was capable of consenting is still somewhat dubious [[ValuesDissonance at least by modern standards]]. Remember, back in BibleTimes, there ''was'' no concept of adolescence [[SocietyMarchesOn as we understand it today]]; you were either a child or an adult, and the delineation was made when a girl had her first period or a boy had his first ejaculation. Even then, so, God did not have sex with Mary, [[MysticalPregnancy he just placed Jesus in her womb, womb]], which was to make a point of His divinity that a virgin give birth. (This was before sperm donation.) Still, compare His waiting for her permission before actually making her pregnant with her society's expectation that she was to be little more than [[BabyFactory a passive vessel for childbearing]] whether that's what ''she'' wanted or not, and it's downright FairForItsDay. [[/note]]
5th Aug '16 6:46:51 PM MsChibi
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When they weren't partying up at Mount Olympus or playing Russian Roulette with thunderbolts, the Greek Gods could be found making out with mortals, resulting in the birth of demigods. Unfortunately, they often didn't wait for consent, or indeed even care. This comes from two rationales:

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When they weren't partying up at Mount Olympus or playing Russian Roulette with thunderbolts, the [[ClassicalMythology Greek Gods Gods]] could be found making out with mortals, resulting in the birth of demigods. Unfortunately, they often didn't wait for consent, or indeed even care. This comes from two rationales:
8th Jun '16 10:27:54 AM Morgenthaler
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* According to some sources ({{Ovid}}, in particular), Poseidon raped a virgin priestess of Athena named Medusa within the goddess' own temple. Medusa was [[DisproportionateRetribution transformed into a Gorgon by Athena]] as punishment. Poseidon wasn't punished at all. Presumably a case of MightMakesRight, seeing as Poseidon was second only to Zeus in power. Alternatively being made a Gorgon was for her protection rather than punishment, as Gorgon imagery was often used to symbolize protection on breastplates, shields and coins.

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* According to some sources ({{Ovid}}, (Creator/{{Ovid}}, in particular), Poseidon raped a virgin priestess of Athena named Medusa within the goddess' own temple. Medusa was [[DisproportionateRetribution transformed into a Gorgon by Athena]] as punishment. Poseidon wasn't punished at all. Presumably a case of MightMakesRight, seeing as Poseidon was second only to Zeus in power. Alternatively being made a Gorgon was for her protection rather than punishment, as Gorgon imagery was often used to symbolize protection on breastplates, shields and coins.
25th Mar '16 8:33:43 AM Silverblade2
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** Tyro, spouse of Cretheus, was in love with the river god Enipeus. Poseidon took his form, seduced Tyro then revealed himself to her. They children are Neleus and Pelias.

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** Tyro, spouse of Cretheus, was in love with the river god Enipeus. Poseidon took his form, seduced Tyro then revealed himself to her. They Their children are Neleus and Pelias.
22nd Mar '16 8:12:52 AM Tightwire
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* '''Direct:''' The divinity explicitly rapes or ravishes the mortal. Sometimes the god [[BedTrick disguised himself so that the woman thought she was sleeping with her husband]]. Sometimes it was just outright rape. You name it, Zeus/Jupiter did it, and many other gods and goddesses did so as well.
* '''Indirect:''' The divinity impregnates the mortal in a manner that does not appear to involve conventional intercourse. One popular method was turn into a cloud of shimmery mist and impregnate a hot chick in that form.

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* * '''Direct:''' The divinity explicitly rapes or ravishes the mortal. Sometimes the god [[BedTrick disguised himself so that the woman thought she was sleeping with her husband]]. Sometimes it was just outright rape. You name it, Zeus/Jupiter did it, and many other gods and goddesses did so as well.
* * '''Indirect:''' The divinity impregnates the mortal in a manner that does not appear to involve conventional intercourse. One popular method was turn into a cloud of shimmery mist and impregnate a hot chick in that form.



Historians believe that a major part of Zeus [[ReallyGetsAround going after so many women]] was that when the ancient Greeks conquered their neighbors, they tended to conflate the local gods with Zeus and to turn those gods' consorts into Zeus's lovers.

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Historians believe that a major part of Zeus [[ReallyGetsAround going after so many women]] was that when the ancient Greeks conquered their neighbors, they tended to conflate the local gods with Zeus and to turn those gods' consorts into Zeus's lovers.
lovers. Others believe that the Grecians believed it because frankly, life can get pretty boring when you're an invulnerable god with nothing to do but drink ambrosia and throw around thunderbolts all day.



* For [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane a certain definition of "divine"]], [[spoiler: Ben Sisko's]] backstory on ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' counts. His mother was possessed or influenced somehow-- the exact mechanics aren't elaborated upon-- by the Prophets / wormhole aliens (SufficientlyAdvancedAliens and/or gods depending on who you ask) to marry his father. Once she'd given birth to their Chosen One, they freed her from their influence, and she promptly left his father. The father, who loved her deeply, was heartbroken and never knew that there had been anything problematic or unnatural about their relationship. It's probable that, being StarfishAliens who do not experience linear time as we do and appear puzzled about many things about the human experience that we take for granted, [[ValuesDissonance it never occurred to the Prophets / wormhole aliens that there was anything morally wrong with doing this]]. The depth of the moral {{squick}} involved is never fully explored by the characters, either, and nobody ever gives them a WhatTheHellHero about it, making it a case of FridgeHorror for the audience.

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* * For [[MaybeMagicMaybeMundane a certain definition of "divine"]], [[spoiler: Ben Sisko's]] backstory on ''Series/StarTrekDeepSpaceNine'' counts. His mother was possessed or influenced somehow-- the exact mechanics aren't elaborated upon-- by the Prophets / wormhole aliens (SufficientlyAdvancedAliens and/or gods depending on who you ask) to marry his father. Once she'd given birth to their Chosen One, they freed her from their influence, and she promptly left his father. The father, who loved her deeply, was heartbroken and never knew that there had been anything problematic or unnatural about their relationship. It's probable that, being StarfishAliens who do not experience linear time as we do and appear puzzled about many things about the human experience that we take for granted, [[ValuesDissonance it never occurred to the Prophets / wormhole aliens that there was anything morally wrong with doing this]]. The depth of the moral {{squick}} involved is never fully explored by the characters, either, and nobody ever gives them a WhatTheHellHero about it, making it a case of FridgeHorror for the audience.
22nd Mar '16 8:09:22 AM Tightwire
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* '''Direct:''' The divinity explicitly rapes or ravishes the mortal. Sometimes the god [[BedTrick disguised himself so that the woman thought she was sleeping with her husband]]. Sometimes it was just outright rape. You name it, Zeus/Jupiter did it, and many other gods did so as well.

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* '''Direct:''' The divinity explicitly rapes or ravishes the mortal. Sometimes the god [[BedTrick disguised himself so that the woman thought she was sleeping with her husband]]. Sometimes it was just outright rape. You name it, Zeus/Jupiter did it, and many other gods and goddesses did so as well.
2nd Feb '16 3:42:18 PM alkistisioanna
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* Europa was ravished by Zeus in the form of a beautiful white bull before [[AbductionIsLove being whisked away to Crete]]. Ouch. Some sources say he just used the bull form to seduce her and carry her to Crete (don't ask how a bull can cross the sea from mainland Greece to Crete), and then turned into a more human form to do the deed; to modern audiences, of course, this just makes it creepier. They had three sons--whether as triplets or in succession is unclear--named Minos, Rhadamanthys, and Serpedon, who were adopted by the King of Crete; Rhadamanthys became king but was kicked out by or fled from Minos, who founded the Cretan royal line.

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* Europa was ravished by Zeus in the form of a beautiful white bull before [[AbductionIsLove being whisked away to Crete]]. Ouch. Some sources say he just used the bull form to seduce her and carry her to Crete (don't ask how a bull can cross the sea from mainland Greece Phoenicia to Crete), and then turned into a more human form to do the deed; to modern audiences, of course, this just makes it creepier. They had three sons--whether as triplets or in succession is unclear--named Minos, Rhadamanthys, and Serpedon, who were adopted by the King of Crete; Rhadamanthys became king but was kicked out by or fled from Minos, who founded the Cretan royal line.
2nd Feb '16 1:52:08 PM margdean56
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** Poseidon raped Caenis who swore to remains a virgin. As a reparation, he made her invulnerable and allowed her to make a wish. She begged him to turn her into a man so she will never suffer such humiliation again. She then changed her name to Caeneus

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** Poseidon raped Caenis who swore had sworn to remains remain a virgin. As a reparation, he made her invulnerable and allowed her to make a wish. She begged him to turn her into a man so she will would never suffer such humiliation again. She then changed her name to CaeneusCaeneus.



* Because of her insatiable lust, Eos kidnapped many handsome young men as her lovers. At least one object of her affection was married, when she snatched him away and was rather vocal about his desire to be returned to his wife.

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* Because of her insatiable lust, Eos kidnapped many handsome young men as her lovers. At least one object of her affection was married, married when she snatched him away away, and was rather vocal about his desire to be returned to his wife.



* Calypso keeps Odysseus as her lover for seven years, despite his clear desire to return to his wife to Ithaca. Ultimately subverted, when Zeus intervenes and forces Calypso to release her captive.

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* Calypso keeps Odysseus as her lover for seven years, despite his clear desire to return to his wife to in Ithaca. Ultimately subverted, when Zeus intervenes and forces Calypso to release her captive.
2nd Feb '16 1:33:19 PM margdean56
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* The ultimate fate of Medea, Jason's one-time lover, is not agreed upon, one version saying she was the only woman who successfully ''did'' say "No" to him and escape. Hera would reward her for this by making her immortal.

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* The ultimate fate of Medea, Jason's one-time lover, is not agreed upon, one version saying she was the only woman who successfully ''did'' say "No" to him Zeus and escape. Hera would reward her for this by making her immortal.



** Note, however, that Zeus's rapes of Persephone were played for drama and horror, the children resulting from them being disturbing and tragic, if not outright monstrous, rather than heroic, subtly deriding Zeus's incest. However, when Zeus did the same thing to other mortal women - some of whom were even his daughters and granddaughters - the trysts produce beautiful heroes. So the DoubleStandard was still in effect, but Persephone, as a goddess, was on a higher level than mortal women and was thus supposed to be above such treatment (and, indeed, Zeus often defended most of his immortal lovers and wives from rape by any other male but himself).


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** Note, however, that Zeus's rapes of Persephone were played for drama and horror, the children resulting from them being disturbing and tragic, if not outright monstrous, rather than heroic, subtly deriding Zeus's incest. However, when Zeus did the same thing to other mortal women - -- some of whom were even his daughters and granddaughters - -- the trysts produce beautiful heroes. So the DoubleStandard was still in effect, but Persephone, as a goddess, was on a higher level than mortal women and was thus supposed to be above such treatment (and, indeed, Zeus often defended most of his immortal lovers and wives from rape by any other male but himself).

2nd Feb '16 1:30:51 PM margdean56
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* Antiope was raped while she slept by Zeus in the form of a satyr. As she had been carried away shortly thereafter by the hero-king Epopeus of Syceon, she gave birth to two sons: Amphion, son of Zeus, and Zeuthos, son of Epopeus, who went on to found Thebes.
* Semele, mother of Dionysus, was said to have been fed a potion by Zeus that impregnated her with a divine child. Shortly after the impregnation Semele was [[ItMakesSenseInContext incinerated]], Zeus took the Dionysus, sewed him into his thigh[[note]]Or possibly his scrotum. "Thigh" was a common euphemism for "ballsack" in the Eastern Mediterranean; Literature/TheBible uses it, too.[[/note]] and delivered him on term.

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* Antiope was raped while she slept slept, by Zeus in the form of a satyr. As she had been was carried away shortly thereafter by the hero-king Epopeus of Syceon, she gave birth to two sons: Amphion, son of Zeus, and Zeuthos, son of Epopeus, who went on to found Thebes.
* Semele, mother of Dionysus, was said to have been fed a potion by Zeus that impregnated her with a divine child. Shortly after the impregnation Semele was [[ItMakesSenseInContext incinerated]], incinerated]]. Zeus took the Dionysus, sewed him into his thigh[[note]]Or possibly his scrotum. "Thigh" was a common euphemism for "ballsack" in the Eastern Mediterranean; Literature/TheBible uses it, too.[[/note]] and delivered him on term.
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