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Puck: Is Artemis really an Enfante Terrible? He seems a bit too old and decidedly lacks the "deceptively cute" aspect.

Puck: I have now replaced Enfante Terrible with Diabolical Mastermind. It seems a much better fit.

EternalKanus: What would be an appropriate trope for the fact that Minerva is not mentioned once in book 6, ignoring her to develop and then drop a romantic subplot between Artemis and Holly? Honestly, not as much as a name drop...

Tyrfing: I believe that would be the author coming to his senses. =p

EternalKanus: I want to make it clear I'm not defending her existence. But if he really came to his senses, he would find a way to canonically disown her, like having one paragraph mention a failed relationship/estrangement between her and Artemis. Just to eliminate her importance without ignoring half of the last book.

A random reader who doesn't have an account: I can't see it as coming to his senses. Sure, he drops the romantic subplot that was never going to work. The thing is, he replaces it with a ship between a century old fairy and a teenager. That the teenager kidnapped. Between that and a normal, human relationship between two geniuses, I'll take the latter anyday, especially when it is the former that replaced the latter.

Document N: What Happened to the Mouse??

Enlong: When did they do a Take That on Harry Potter? Was it the dust-jacket thing that raved "Harry had better watch his back" ore something like that?

Caswin: I was wondering about that, too. In the meantime, removing the following:
  • It might just be me, but this Troper suspects that Artemis was Mesmered into helping the environment when he had his memory wiped, just while the fairies were at it.
First, he was environmentally conscious prior to that moment. Second, they weren't Mesmering him to begin with. He planned ahead and wore special-made reflective contacts. The memory-edit was real, but the mesmer interrogation was an act on his part.time=1221701918

Keyboarder: Removed the part about the fairies being super-intelligent since, their intelligence ranges from stupid(several henchmen for some fairy villains) to super-intelligent(Foaly).

Marie: So, the sixth book has been out for over a year, and we've still got stuff from the fourth book spoilered. Just how long does stuff have to be spoilered, anyway?

Marie: You know, anon-who-just-put-some-of-the-spoilers-back, I got spoiled for the most recent book on this page because I didn't realise there'd been another, and therefore thought I was safe to read the spoiler tags. If I'd seen TLC stuff unspoiled, maybe I woulda twigged. Hmm, maybe I should edit in something about the length of the series to the intro.
Argument cut from under Put on a Bus:
  • Marie: There's no indication Juliet was ever intended as a love interest, and the book that gave her the biggest role is the one that lead to her being put on said bus, because she realised bodyguard work was not right for her, and Minerva was not well-received, while Artemis was consciously aware he'd be attracted to Holly when he's older back in the second book (except for US editions of it).
  • Orchidbreeze of Fire Clan (edited above paragraph to this): There's no indication Juliet was ever intended as a love interest beyond the fact that Artemis is okay with her calling him 'Arty', and the book that gave her the biggest role is the one that lead to her being put on said bus, because she realised bodyguard work was not right for her, and Minerva was not well-received, while Artemis was consciously aware he'd be attracted to Holly when he's older back in the second book (except for US editions of it).
    • Orchidbreeze of Fire Clan: Holly and Artemis are entirely different species, not to mention the age difference. This was only bridged briefly in Time Paradox, because Holly's physical age decreased dramatically, and Artemis' increased slightly. However, now they have the age difference again. Oh, and there's the tiny detail of how he manipulated and completely alienated her.
      • Marie: and yet, a reasonably close reading of the scene where she returns a sleeping Artemis shows evidence she's still attracted to him (she thinks wistfully about the weight of his body and the kiss, and refuses to talk to Foaly about it). Also, Interspecies Romance and Mayfly-December Romance are both tropes because they happen in fiction. As far as the age difference goes, yes, he's too young now, but it's inherent in Mayfly-December Romance that he'll catch up.
      • Personally, I read the Juliet calling him Arty and him being OK with that thing as him subconsciously reading her as family, since a) it's canon both from both TAI and TLC that AF-era Artemis was not yet capable of being sexually attracted and b), he doesn't think she's attractive, the only Artemis POV thought in the whole series about her attractiveness is his perception of what "the local louts" think of her, even though the omniscient narrator in TEC calls her stunning twice, while nearly every time Holly is called pretty or attractive it's from Artemis's POV.

Orchidbreezeof Fire Clan: Good call. Sorry about that, I must have been in a bad mood or something.