This is discussion archived from a time before the current discussion method was installed.
Mavado: How did this get its own High Octane Nightmare Fuel page? There's currently 3 entries and less than 10 sentences, hardly enough to warrant its own separate page.
D 21 Jaydee: I agree. Halo has its' share of scary moments, but it's not enough to deserve its' own page.
Unknown Troper: Guys, there's an edit button. Get with the Wiki Magic instead of complaining.
Anoniguy: I spotted this after the Zombie Apocalypse entry-
- Especially when you find out The Flood have already completely infected/destroyed at least one other galaxy already, before the Forerunner even encountered them at the edge of the Milky Way.
Where do we find that out? I must have missed that.
- Gaunt88: In one of the log videos from the Iris viral marketing ARG for Halo 3. Link
to a copy of the video, and a transcript - link.
Duckluck: Some of the stuff here (notably the stuff about the downloadable ending) was inaccurate. I've fixed that, and added clarifications, and a few grammar edits. Also included mentions of the books and movies.
Big T: Moved a Thread Mode version of Conversation In The Main Page here. Don't be afraid to keep the convo going; just do it in here.
- The Prophet of Truth becomes phenomenonally out of character in Halo 3. In Halo 2, he is a stoic, calm, and level-headed, Machiavellian schemer who carried out an "Order 66" type extermination of the Elites a full year before Emperor Palpatine did the same to the Jedi in Star Wars Episode III. In Halo 3, however, he had a personality transplant with the Prophet of Regret, as he has become a ranting and raving religious zealot and a virtual carbon copy of real life terrorist leaders and Televangelists.)
- Of course, this is because in Halo 3 we spend most of the time looking at his public face, which is that of a ranting zealot, unlike the private scenes of him in Halo 2.
- If his behavior in Halo 2 was his "Private Face" then how come he used that same personality when using High Charity's PA system in the "Gravemind" and "High Charity" levels? At the beginning of the former level, he's making a news broadcast with that calm face.
- Yes, but Brutes are more likely to respond to fanaticism than the honour-and-restraint styled Elites.
- The only difference between his public broadcasts in the latter levels of Halo 2 and the ones in Halo 3 is how loudly he's screaming. Content is pretty much exactly the same, except in Halo 3 he's exhorting fanatical soldiers in the middle of battle, not trying to convince the Elites to surrender. The final scene between him and Johnson in "The Covenant" shows that same manipulative and Magnificent Bastard personality, mixed with religious zealotry.
- It's also highly believable that Truth would be a bit less composed while watching Master Chief, the elites, and the flood close in on him with no escape route and while being about to activate the system that he believes will lead him to his "great journey", hoping that they won't stop him before it fires. Truth was a political manipulator, but hardly a tactical genius, putting him out of his element in a losing military conflict.
Haesslich: Corrected the part under Super Prototype regarding the SPARTAN-III SPI armor - it was stated in the same novel that it was inferior to even a twenty-year-old MJOLNIR Mark IV armor that Kurt-051 (Ambrose) had from his last training mission as a SPARTAN-II, and the SPARTAN-III's had what were effectively inferior versions of the modifications that the SPARTAN-II's had; they compensated by being suicidally aggressive and through swarming tactics, versus the 'one-man army' finesse that SPARTAN-II's employed individually or in small units.
Rogue 7: Cut Glass Cannon because Chief can absorb ridiculous amounts of firepower- he just has to duck behind cover every once in a while to let his shields recharge, and he can take another five bullets to the face.
Gaunt88: Removed the Sudden Sequel Death Syndrome example, as Johnson and Miranda were killed off in climactic scenes near the end of the game rather than in the first few minutes.
Also, the image caption and the page quote (or at least, the way the quote is used out of context) kinda rub me the wrong way. They only perpetuate the stereotype that Halo is just a stupid action-heavy shooter-fest fit only for 12 year olds and drunken fratboys. Still, I don't want to step on any toes and delete/change them without discussion. Anyone else agree with me?
D 21 Jaydee: I agree. Now that the IP no longer covers only the games, I feel the need for a new quote for this page. The Lampshade Hanging made by the Master Chief was humorous, but given that this page now covers the entire franchise, this page needs something else.
"You have been called upon to serve, you will be trained...and you will become the best we can make of you. You will be the Protectors of Earth and all her Colonies"
It's the quote Halsey tells to the SPARTAN-II trainees when they are drafted at the age of seven. Granted, the Halo story, right now, covers not only the Human-Covenant war, but will soon cover the Forerunner-Flood in the following books.
However, given that the Spartan-II are emblematic to the series, and the main protagonist is one himself, I think this quote is appropiate. -D21 Jaydee
Gaunt88: I agree, I think that is a much better quote.
Continuation On the Page Quote
D 21 Jaydee: It's been kind of debated what quotes should remain on the page. While the first and second quotes are the most memorable to the Spartans (pretty much the protagonists of the Human-Covenant War), the coming novels and explanations about the Forerunner-Flood War, and the expansion of the universe, may make it necessary to use a new quote.
Personally, I've thought of one of the poems in Halo: Evolutions to describe the universe (perhaps Beyond? Icon also describes the Spartans, but it is far too long), but I would like to listen to ideas.
Shouldn't each game have their own pages? Other franschises with lot of products seem to have those... Halo already has so many separate games and publications their tropes won't really fit into this one page.
D 21 Jaydee: A problem may be that, now being there a lot of media related to the IP, we'd be creating a whole lot of pages for every individual work. For the moment, considering nearly all canon in Halo is connected and with a solid historical line (at many times, using well-known characters as the protagonists), I don't believe it's necessary for now.
D 21 Jaydee: On the other hand, it is getting a tad too bit. Perhaps if we separated between games, books, comics, animation, and others?
KJMackley: Maybe do something like Star Wars and Star Trek and make an Expanded Universe page with a listing of the various productions, leaving the main page to the primary story of the games.
D 21 Jaydee: Pardon if I'm occupying a lot of the discussion page, but first off: The people that made the Character Sheet deserve beers for their efforts. I'm wondering if the characters listed (at least the important ones) should have their own quotes along with a small bio briefly describing them (one and a half paragraphs long, tops).
Crowley: Why not? That would be great! I might try to add a few myself, but I'll feel wrong if I can only do a few and can't finish the whole thing...
