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Author: helterskelter

May 1st 2013 at 11:32:48 AM

->''No it isn't. The page itself SAYS it doesn't have to be red. Only "usually". The trope is about the design, NOT the color.''

Neither does WinterRoyalLady, in fact. The only requirement is that you are winter-themed royalty. The trope description only requires that. It goes on to list what else generally follows. In fact, as you point out that ''theoretically'' you can have on a SexySantaDress in yellow or pink, you can ''theoretically'' have a WinterRoyalLady in orange or purple, since the only hard-and-fast definition of the trope is that she is a winter-themed royal lady. Is it really unlikely? Of course, but it's really unlikely to see a SexySantaDress in anything but red. But it would be an example if created.

->''Yes. Which is exactly my point. White = Winter = Femininity. Tertiary though it may be, that's still a connection.''

No, it's winter royalty = femininity, which often comes with the implication of wearing white, blue, silver.

->''The Snow Queen is a trope?''

Actually, yes, it's this trope. But I was giving you an example. Don't be obtuse.

->''Being "the Queen" of a metaphysical abstract has nothing to do with an association to femininity? Is that what you're saying?''

I'm saying that the assocation with WINTER is not what is feminine. It's the unique brand of winter   royalty is AlwaysFemale. We have winter   person as a trope: AnIcePerson. It's the unique extra part--the royalty--which is unique. We use female gendered terms because this trope is AlwaysFemale.

->''Tropes In Aggregate.''

Which this one isn't. That's about tropes that don't seem to be tropes unless you like at society, a whole genre, etc. For instance, MostCommonSuperpower. That's just big breasts, right? Well, not when you're looking at superheroines. Then it's a trope.

But this doesn't suddenly become a trope by looking at society or a genre. This is an index.

->''which create a pattern through association''

Yes! But the thing is you're actively killing that pattern when you include tropes like WinterRoyalLady. You're taking out what ''should'' be a trope and making it into an index. The trope that this is is the idea that certain colors imply certain things on different genders. ''That'' is the super trope. But the color on WinterRoyalLady is because winter is colored blue and ice, not because ''women'' in blue and white mean something.

->'' That trope is about three things: virginity, femininity, and white in exactly the same sense that this trope is about winter, femininity, and either white, blue, or other colors associated with that''

The difference being that virginity has a female association. White on a female means purity, innocent allure. White on a man doesn't. See, that has a ''unique'' association. The color, as seen on a woman, is what is unique.

But what about WinterRoyalLady? We know that winter   person isn't unique. We have AnIcePerson. We know that blue, white, silver = winter isn't unique. We have ColorCodedElements. So what's unique here? The ''royal'' aspect. It's winter   royalty = female trope. Not blue   winter = female or blue   royalty = female.