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Author: NoirGrimoir

Apr 9th 2011 at 2:46:09 PM

^Yes, I think we should take outright villains and villain protagonists out of the equation. Like I said, to be honest I really feel as if the manipulative examples of this trope are actually just period versions of another trope. TheLibby, FemmeFatale, ManipulativeBitch, TheVamp etc. It's just that the period happens to be regency/victorian/edwardian or whatever. So while obviously all incarnations of this trope don't have to exactly fit Elizabeth Bennets example, I do think it's good to keep in mind that she isn't remotely manipulative and one might even say BrutalHonesty is closer to one of her defining traits. And of course everyone is manipulative at ''some'' point, but I think if manipulation, especially morally questionable manipulation, is a characters ''defining trait'' then they need not apply to this trope. Although I have to admit a part of me can see where it might make sense to accept them...hm.

Okay, how about this. If a character is treated or commented on in-universe as being a SYL, then they fit no matter what. If they are just treated as a villain or a bitch, then they don't. Scarlett would fit then, I think. Don't know enough about Becky to say in her case.