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Author: ShanghaiSlave

Jan 10th 2014 at 11:24:34 PM

You bring up good points, MorganWick.

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...but that for The Hero to be an outright minor character - certainly without being a Hero of Another Story - would almost seem to be a contradiction in terms. (And "supporting character",...
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You;re tripping yourself up here as well. HeroOfAnotherStory is in TRS, and the discussion there so far people have gathered that the trope means " a peripheral or supporting character who's shown/hinted to have storylines of their own happening off-screen". meaning said character is a HeroProtagonist, but not in the story where he is HeroOfAnotherStory, so he is just TheHero there. so i stand corrected, they can overlap here, but they are not the same.

the difference here is that SupportingHero is TheHero of the story where he is an example of SupportingHero, but he doesn't have offscreen adventures. Making him TheHeroOfNotHisStory.

SupportingProtagonist as i already stated(and as you later said youself) makes TheHero {{Deuteragonist}} without explicitly saying it. TheHero is most definitely important, but it's ''not'' his story, but the SupportingProtagonist's. here, you kill the hero here and Deutragonist and TheProtagonist will still be around. also, it's about the "protagonist" and not the hero as much as HeroAntagonist is not about the [[strike:VillainAntagonist]] VillainProtagonist and vice versa.

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it doesn't help that the page's definition still seems to be focused on the FiveManBand member and not the larger archetype.[softreturn]
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 some sort of active force for good in the context of the story, and if there is one particular hero, the main force for good. 
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What then, is "The Larger Archetype"?

"The Main Force of Good" is BigGood in ThisWiki. and he most certainly is not the hero according to the description there.

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Incidentally, I think the new laconic is unhelpful at best and misleading at worst
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I thought it would be better since it's Role based. I thought it would be read as "HeroAntagonist but instead of an antagonist, he is a minor character who may be neutral or with the protagonists." which incidentally means it's the supertrope to it.

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How, then, is it possible for The Hero to be a minor character?
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Yes, you almost get the gist of the trope here. This is exactly LowerDeckEpisode, where the lower deck consists of TheProtagonist and not some bit characters, and the upperdeck consist of the bit characters.

I'm gonna skip your brainstorming session since we have vastly different ideas. but i'm gonna say you're close if you think this skirts somewhere between LowerDeckEpisode and HeroOfAnotherStory.

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The story you tell ^^ sounds a lot like Supporting Protagonist to me...
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Yes it is, and TheHero is a minor character instead of Deuteragonist since the Deuteragonist is lumped with TheProtagonist here.

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it seems to me that it's the main characters that are the heroes, and "the hero" is, well, just another supporting character, and not really the hero.
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well, they're not the one saving the day so they're technically not TheHero, any more than TheMentor is not TheHero even if he trained TheHero or even saved the day.

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As such, it seems to me that what you're really going for is not "supporting hero" or "expendable hero"
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This is close, actually. i'm afraid i'm gonna have to TakeItToTheForums, we're going nowhere without a clear definition.