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Author: helterskelter

Apr 12th 2013 at 12:38:26 PM

"You seem to be suggesting that the female person choosing in this trope is usually helpless and the females being chosen in Betty And Veronica. Not only do several of your examples contradict this (Buffy, Pirates), but with your unclear definition of dangerous, I would argue that many Betty and Veronicas are dangerous."

I'm really not. In all honestly, nothing about my description implies this. I don't know what to tell you; almost all of the arguments you've made thus far have been about deliberately ignoring things I've said. For instance, the lifestyle thing. I've said I think three times that it is not required, but is rather a ''common pattern'' in this trope. In the same way a SignificantGreenEyedRedhead ''tends'' to be a love interest to the hero--that is not required, it's just a very regular pattern.

The same thing applies here. ''Often'' a woman is picking between lifestyles that the two men embody. I have no idea how you got helplessness from that. Or the edginess thing--I ''just'' said what edginess means and it's ''not'' the same thing as dangerous. This is getting very frustrating.

In any case, actually, as I pointed out, this was a TRS thing. It was decided that BettyAndVeronica ''should'' have a SpearCounterpart.

I'll take out the mention that you can have a male/female inverse--which was only there to help stave off misuse of people trying to shoehorn in every single possible love triangle as they do with BettyAndVeronica.

Let me put it this way: You will never see a Veronica challenging Archie's lifestyle. She will never be a threat to disinheriting him or force him to abandon his home. Veronica is just ''exotic''. She's different, but in an acceptable way to most of society, to Archie's friends and family. If there's exceptions to this, I can't think of them.

As far as the Betty and Gentleman go, again, this is about male vs female patterns, something you keep ignoring. This is like you saying that TheAllAmericanBoy and GirlNextDoor shouldn't be two separate tropes. They are simply patterned differently. Same with things like PrincelyYoungMan and {{Ojou}}--they share many similar qualities, but they're simply patterned differently. Male love interests are patterned in ways that appeal to women, female love interests are patterned in ways that appeal to men. They're always different.