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Author: Huo
Jun 19th 2012
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3:37:21 AM
No you have it backwards, I wasn't trying to explain the importance of TV Tropes at all. I was highlighting the freaky mutation TV Tropes went through precisely by bringing back the common old adage of what a trope is. In the old days and to people who still know what a trope is today when conversing casually, there's no such thing as a notable trope. It's like a nickname. There are clear common nicknames like Bob to Bobby and then there are weird memetic mutation like Bob to Robert but like nicknames, there's no such thing as nickworthy and this was a direct reply to your statement about Example as Thesis. There's no this is not tropeworthy rule because it is inviting Example as Thesis ever. There are still other points in that previous reply but this is the main gist that replies to both of your point. ---- If you don't want to dig that then my simple empirical counter to point #2 is that not really convinced is not evidence. If you're not convinced, convince yourself one way or the other but that's not notable enough as a criticism against this article and all it does is incite similarly minded mobs to convince a mod to intervene. It's not that you can't make everyone aware of this but don't make the mistake everyone else (including you earlier) did by making this about you. The reply box is not Facebook. It's not a space where you post I am unconvinced. I may not know the official rules of TV Tropes but it is clear at least that the spirit of the reply box is to improve the article and point out a section of why it is not notable but not to post about what each of us feel about an article we are unsure of. Especially not when you took the length of time just to gather an idea of this trope. Now that you understand it, contribute to it so that once the trope becomes sharper and better, you can better decide whether it is a trope or not. As it is now, it's more like you're hoping someone agrees or disagrees with you and the result of that will always be people arguing about why their own personal bias is correct instead of helping out with polishing the YKTTW. ---- Another thing: 1 trope + 1 trope = 1 Fused trope. By making this case, you're contradicting your own suspicions by mixing your "this is not a trope" case with your "sufficiently distinct from other trope" case. Not to mention by saying you can couple two basic tropes underneath it, only those who have prejudged this article would agree that this impression means it is not a sufficiently distinct trope. Anyone who reads your statement objectively could easily surmise that what you are actually presenting is impression not of this being insufficiently distinct but of the possibility that this trope may be an index trope (a meta-trope in your own words) rather than a mere 1 article trope. A meta-trope who has no comparable launched already meta-trope does count as a sufficienctly distinct trope, hence again, there haven't been any actual objective evidence presented that this is not a trope nor not a sufficiently distinct trope. All the replies so far is saying is that this doesn't sound tropeworthy "to them". Not that this fails any attribute of being a trope. ---- Cargo Cult does not take into account things like the long term misconception about The Prince. (One of the books linked to the cracked.com article). People didn't worship The Prince. Even those whose bias may align with The Prince has less to do with the perception of Machiavelli compared to those who wanted to slander him. Where's the Cargo Cult in that? The relation is not weird at all. Most cults tend to insist on one view. Therefore being that this is a view that has mutated in two contradicting directions, cults being one of those groups that have power to insist upon a viewpoint towards a larger mass of belief is related. Cargo Cult having the word Cult in it, it seems to be related. But really it could be Cargo Conspiracy Theorist and it would seem related too. Related only because fiction in general is made by humans and some humans have found the power of propaganda in both fiction and fictional analysis.
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