How does reducing two characters to just becoming members of that "regular adult circle of stupidity" entail making the 'verse bigger? If anything it's the opposite, stripping away what little uniqueness they had.
"I'm GLAD they dropped the Toilet Humour."
Um, are we watching the same show?
Butters' parents are actually more unique now. Instead of being relatively bland, normal parents, they're stupid and also abusive towards Butters. All the parents are stupid, but they also all have their own quirks, something all the more bland, in the background parents don't have.
And, compared to the first few seasons? They definitely toned down the toiler humour, even if they didn't get rid of it altogether.
kolkolkol.
I beg to disagree on making Butters' parents more unique.
We had Butters' very own episode which fleshed out his parents as deeply, deeply flawed people who nevertheless cared about Butters. They were human, with their own problems unique to them.
Nowadays, there's pretty much one joked repeated with Butters' parents every time they show up: they're horribly abusive to Butters and they're idiots like every other group of parents on the show. It's like every time they or any of the other adults show up on the show, Matt and Trey are saying "LAUGH BECAUSE THEY ARE IDIOTS. NOTHING MORE IS NEEDED." That is their joke, repeated throughout the episodes, because Matt and Trey are unfunny, untalented men who can't do anything creative any more.
Christ, even back in the day the stupid characters were funnier. Like Officer Barbrady! Where the fuck's he been all this time?
You don't like jokes that want you to laugh at a character purely for being an idiot over and over...but you want Officer Barbrady back?
Humor is subjective, so if you think Matt and Trey are unfunny these days, then that's your opinion, and it would probably be a good idea if you stopped watching the show. Talent, hoever, is not. Say what you will, but they do work incredibly hard to make a new, topical episode every week while the show is airing. If you've seen anything about what it takes for them and their staff to make the show, you'll know that it's not easy. The humor may be different from the earlier seasons, but they still try to put out a good episode every week, and obviously people are still watching, even if you aren't.
kolkolkol.
@generalwinter
1) "Its just your opinion" isn't a valid argument.
2) The creators only speak 6 days currently to make new eps. As topical as they are, effort and thought seemed to be absent. South Park used to be GREAT at saying 'this person/thing/event sucks, and here's why.... now it amounts to nothing more than than LOL Bono is a giant turd or Bikers are fags LOL or Thanksgiving is like the Thor movie which just came out HAW HAW HAW.
3) Yeah, people still watch South Park. People still watch Family Guy and Cleveland show too. What're you getting at?
^ it is if the opinion is stated as a fact "because Matt and Trey are unfunny, untalented men who can't do anything creative any more."
^Nowhere did he state that this was fact. Not adding IMO to end of every opinion does not mean they're calling their opinions fact.
An Ad Hoc right there.
^Yes it is, but it still doesn't make the "in your opinion" statement valid. That along with "people still watch it" and "why do you still watch it" sit right along with Steam's statement as weak attempts at shutting down any negativity while not having to go into any detail into how they might be wrong.
By that logic the Ad Hoc was not fallacious. You can tell a kid that you can't divide odd numbers by 2 and have the advantage of the kid not knowing about fractions. It is valid because steam is displaying his opinion as a fact, that matter doesn't change just because generalwinter didn't present an argument against it, that's just not how the world and logic works.
The title makes the review sound like the show's gonna be Damned By Faint Praise. XD
Maybe you'd be less disappointed if you stopped expecting things to be Carmen Sandiego movies.
@marcellX May have come out wrong, but I was actually trying to say that "IYO" is as equally fallacious. In this situation all it does is prey on a grammatical error in a desperate attempt to shut it down.
Steam's "because Matt and Trey are unfunny, untalented men who can't do anything creative any more" is largely uneeded because it adds nothing to the statement that when it comes to the majority of Butter's parents screentime, they're just being jerks to Butters. Which is factually true.
I think you're being a little too biased.
In regards to what? IYO is rarely if ever used to correct an actual ad hoc; it used as a tool to shut down negativity without actually trying. The burden may not have to be on you to try, but its still as much of a waste of space as what you're arguing against.
First of all that's a Fallacy Fallacy, even in the definitions here they give you the "looks like but it's not" descriptions, you're dwelling too much on unrelated stuff and bordering on a Sunk Cost Fallacy. The point is the validity of the "it's your opinion", which Generalwinter told Steam and even discussed how humor is subjective. You're the one going on about desperate attempts, grammatical errors (which there hasn't been to begin with) etc. in as I said before a Sunk Cost Fallcy. Could it be fallacious? yes, is it always? no, is it in this context, I at least think not and have expressed why.
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Infinitely better than it looks.
I enjoy South Park a lot since I started watching it, although they have their off days. I don't like seeing Randy Marsh having episodes devoted to him that much because unlike the boys, he never learns anything, even temporarily, and while Cartman is a fun character he needs to be balanced with the other boys even in his own episodes...
But if you're not expecting to be stimulated visually, you can concentrate on the plot and the lesson and the way Adults Are Morons, which is part of the Fridge Brilliance. If the show was a feast for the eyes, even if they could produce it in the same timeframe, you wouldn't be able to think about the Aesop. Heck, sometimes the wrong voice comes out of the wrong mouth, making you actively think, "Who really said that?"
Characters are expanded on all the time, which also makes South Park gradually bigger; lately Stephen and Linda Stotch (Butters' dad and mom) have become part of the regular adult circle of stupidity showing that perfectly normal-looking people can be asswads too. And if somebody leaves the writers aren't too gutless to kill them off properly. They had exhausted Kenny's usefulness; they didn't try to drag him out, they just killed him. Well, for a while, until they could use him for more than one joke (which was getting old).
It's a new approach to cartoons; The Simpsons isn't really for kids either but they stil try to pretend your whole family can watch it. South Park just kicks moderation out the window and says, "We know we're not aiming at kids; why try?"
I'm GLAD they dropped the Toilet Humour. I'm GLAD it's not filled with worthless cutaway Manatee gags like Family Guy. I'm GLAD they make fun of those who are excessively left-wing (it's about time somebody did). I'm GLAD there's not always a happy ending (although I really hated Stanley's Cup; that just felt... well... kind of overboard and face-rubbing). I'm GLAD the kids swear, because a lot of kids DO swear. And I may be pretty liberal but I like South Park making fun of people who give liberals a bad name. Ban this, ban that, when are people going to learn that you can't get rid of a problem by just banning or ignoring it? And I may be going on 27 but it's good to see them pointing out that no, kids are not as stupid as you think, but if you don't educate them on life, they will be.