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Does not deserve an ounce of hate
There is no reason to hate Ctrl+Alt+Del. There is reason to hate something like Pv P which can be arrogant, violent and mysognistic, there can be even reason to hate VG Cats or Penny Arcade*, because they can be verbose, reliant on gore and really really dark humour. CAD is not like that, and of all the main gaming comics it's the least prone to obscenity and relying on shock value(there is violence, just less). You love or hate PA, but with CAD you continue reading or stop.

Equally Tim Buckley isn't a monster. He's a very ordinary person, honest and knows that what's happened to him is amazing. Faced with an internet of hate and his own forum kersploding as only a forum can, well maybe he didn't deal with it in the best way. And sometimes he can come off as arrogant, but you can see he's not trying to and that should count for something.

And that's why I can forgive CAD, for all it's faults, it's always honest and always sincere. You can't even hate it for the miscarriage because it's clear the author knew just how serious something like that is. He talked about it tearing apart the deepest of relations and never once did he portray it lightly or something funny. The only criticism you can make is maybe he didn't fully succeed in describing that, but that's a reason for not caring, not hate. Compare this to the typical aborted fetus joke appearing in most 'dark' webcomics.

CAD is famously a bit wordy and often doubles up the punchline, this can either spoil the joke for you, or give it a wry edge, as if the second punchline is showing you the first isn't that serious. The drama plotlines aren't good drama but I felt this was a lovely bit of character development and I hope Tim's able to produce stuff like it more and more often. His silly plotlines are silly and all the fun that goes along with a story about martial penguins and his gaming jokes are definitely his best. The art is uncomplicated, a little copy and paste but helps to keep the light atmosphere.

CAD is like a friend rather than a comedian. It's got the same sort of humour a good friend has, doesn't have great drama, but if you get to know it you can care and become touched. In the end a comedian keeps you on edge, but a friend you can relax and spend time with.
Incidentally, how come all the other CAD reviews are now hard to access now the mainpage has switched?
comment #12287 Tomwithnonumbers 14th Jan 12
^Fixed it!
comment #12290 Wackd 14th Jan 12
Diolch yn fawr :D
comment #12295 Tomwithnonumbers 14th Jan 12 (edited by: Tomwithnonumbers)
Go to bed, Tim.
comment #14332 bitemytail 16th May 12
Sorry I missed the meaning on that one?
comment #14334 Tomwithnonumbers 16th May 12
He's saying that you're Tim Buckley.

To be honest, I really don't like this review. I don't like that the reviewer is telling me what I can and cannot "hate." I don't hate CAD. I'm actually really, really indifferent to it. Out of all the webcomics I've read, it's... one of them. I actually kinda tend to lump it in with VG Cats, PA, and Pv P — they're all gamer-based webcomics that I've tried based on others' recommendations, and I didn't really like any of them.

I really don't have an opinion of Tim Buckley. I know that he's supposed to be super-arrogant and can't handle criticism (and I've heard that he criticizes other webcomics that aren't up to his standards), but that's really all I've heard of him. A few years ago I always saw stuff written about him on the internet, stuff I didn't read because I didn't care, but nowadays I don't hear about him. I guess he's no longer relevant or active or whatever.

I'm sorry if I'm coming off as hostile or condescending, but I'm just really unimpressed with CAD. It's not even something that I could read out of pure bile fascination. It's just... there. The only thing I can really make a positive or negative judgement on is the art: it's not great. Uncomplicated, definitely, but I think that it goes beyond that. The art in CAD is bland. The characters look the same, the backgrounds are boring, and the whole thing veers into visual narm on occasion. These are qualities I also found in VG Cats, Penny Arcade, and Pv P, to be honest.

So in short, I think CAD is very "meh" and that while Tim Buckley might not deserve all the hate he gets, he's not exactly a webcomics genius, either. Also, you shouldn't tell other posters what they can and cannot think about a series, especially as it's all based on your personal, subjective experience with the work.
comment #17022 Fleming 30th Nov 12
Well really really indifferent is what I feel is the most justified reaction (even over above liking it). I'll need to think more about your thing on hate though, because hate is a strong damaging emotion and I don't think anyone can argue that the hate for CAD hasn't had a direct affect on the creator of the comic at some points and it's been very directly pointed at him for some reasons. And I like to think that hate should have some rational basis if you employ it. And actually, rereading my review I've never commanded people not to hate it, I've said that I don't believe there#s a rational basis for that hate, that the comic isn't deserving of the hate it gets and even if you argue that hate is entirely personal and subjective without any basis in logic and that something can't 'deserve hate' in the same way it can't 'deserve love', then what I've said is still technically true even if based on a completely incorrect premise.

Naturally I don't agree with this belief I think people love and hate things for reasons and that there is meaningful discussion in trying to get to those reasons and proving disproving them. I even think if that's not true then it severely impacts the purpose of reviews and discussions because everything is so subjective that it's impossible to form accurate ideas of the reports of others. CAD is well reputed for being one of the most hated comics in existence and people who haven't already formed their opinion of it will want to know if that hate is justified and in my opinion, no the hate is not but although my subjective opinion is that it's quite entertaining my rational opinion is that the arguments for not caring about the comic on the other hand, are rational and well founded. I think the fact that I recognise that shows that there is some basis for reasoning and discussion in these things.

And equally I would like to challenge the people who hate it for their reasons and if they produce rational reasons (Tim Buckley actually being peadophile and the comic reflecting his views would be an _excellent_ reason to hate it and on a less serious more realistic level, if it could be argued to have very misogynistic views that would be a good reason. A high level of gore and violence would be a good reason for some people to hate it) but as it stands the paedophile references are false, the arrogance isn't at a level that I would consider worthy of producing repugnance but more in line with what most young un worldy wise people experience (admittedly Tim isn't that young anymore) and the humour and art is unfunny and not very good rather than repugnant.

These are only my first spur of the moment thoughts and I will give what you said more consideration. I think my last paragraph shows that I clearly still think that there can be reasons for hating things and those reasons are worth discussing but I promise you that I'll give this more thought (and listen to your response if you'd like to give it) if you convince me or I come to the conclusion that there are no good or bad reasons to hate something then I'll append my review to reflect that. It's probably come up in a few of my other reviews (luckily I don't think I've ever reviewed Dominic Deegan =D) but I've written too many to check that and I'll leave those as examples of my folly (if I'm convinced of course =D) I imagine that I'd find my first reviews pretty loathesome to read as it is
comment #17025 TomWithNoNumbers 30th Nov 12
"You can't even hate it for the miscarriage because it's clear the author knew just how serious something like that is."

Buckley: "A miscarriage is definitely not a joke, and I have no intention of making light of it. And it can be a tough and emotional thing for couples to go through, speaking from personal experience. And I know that it's often much harder on the woman than on the man. However, I also know that it doesn't necessarily turn you into a sad, depressed sack of tears for the rest of your life. People can move past it, and heal."
comment #18351 gentlemanorcus1 28th Feb 13
Tim Buckley isn't a monster, he's a stand-up guy who shows his penis to underage girls, banhammers people at random on his forums and gets hypocritical about copyright.
comment #18363 Sen 2nd Mar 13
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