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mrbits Mochi-Doughnut-man Since: May, 2009
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Sep 9th 2017 at 12:33:13 PM •••

Does Faye really qualify as a Base Breaking character? Even though she has a few fans/defenders, from what I've seen far more people consider her a flat and one note character. That sounds closer to scrappy material.

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Korath88 Since: Jun, 2017
Jun 19th 2017 at 10:04:13 PM •••

I'm removing any mentions of Saber/Celica as a fan preferred couple. According to the trope page, a pairing is only considered fan preferred if it is more popular than the official couple, which is definitely not the case here as Alm/Celica has far more fanart, support and content even on tumblr. A better example of this trope would be Gray/Tobin, which is really popular

keyblade333 Ferdinand Von Aegir fan Since: Sep, 2013
Ferdinand Von Aegir fan
Jun 10th 2017 at 11:56:44 AM •••

Just a quick question regarding the removal of Silque for Tier Induced Scrappy. Silque and a Cleric!Faye being able to use Warp and then Rescue is a good combo and I didn't know about it so thanks for the tip. However, while this is a good combo, that really only applies if Faye is a Cleric, so I don't know if that outright saves Silque as a unit since thats pretty much relaying on another unit to make up for another units short comings. Also Invoke Dread Fighters is really good yes, but I'm not sure that really saves her as a unit either since she learns one really good Invoke compared to everyone else learning good or unique spells.

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Karxrida Since: May, 2012
Jun 10th 2017 at 5:29:43 PM •••

I'm not in the know about how the series' Character Tiers work, but I do know that Warp is super good on its own. Plus I believe in the original Gaiden (which doesn't have Faye) there's no range limit on Warp.

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keyblade333 Since: Sep, 2013
Jun 10th 2017 at 6:41:21 PM •••

I don't doubt Silque is useful with Warp but I'm just not sure in Echoes if she is all that good. The main reason i ask is her entry was removed and while I agree Dread Fighter is a good Invoke, the remover used Cleric!Faye Rescue Silque Warp combo to say she isnt a bad unit. I don't feel that really proves she isnt a Tier Induced Scrappy since it means shes only useful if Faye is a Cleric, meaning if you dont Silque wouldn't be useful then. I don't have a problem with her being removed but saying shes useful because another unit feels like that means she isnt good on her own. If that makes sense.

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SpaceDrake Since: Jan, 2001
May 25th 2017 at 3:17:37 AM •••

Is there any kind of ETA on when this page will no longer be locked? I've got no horse in the base-break race, but there's a few other YMMV tropes I'd like to address.

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Folt Since: Jun, 2010
May 27th 2017 at 3:13:03 AM •••

Ditto. For starters, Mila did not come up with the plan to do away with Gods in the remake, despite that's what the page says.

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