I am going to say this as politely as I can: a discussion has more than one person involved. You should not have readded when no one responded to you. Did you even read the posts of that thread I linked or only my post? And by the way, you did edit war. Twice.
Came here from ATT to try and throw my two cents in here.
In regards to all the entries that have been edit-warred over:
- I agree with the "Alma taught Mirabel her love was conditional" entry, though I'd take out the "way to go, Alma" bit for being a little too snarky.
- I think the entry about Alma's walk past her family members is fine.
- As for the last entry/entries about Mirabel's talk with Julieta: I think the first two bullets are fine, but the last bullet is factually incorrect. "Julieta essentially expects Mirabel to see herself as 'perfect'" is a really twisted-up way of viewing a mother trying to genuinely comfort her daughter, and doesn't hold up since A) she was aware that Antonio getting a gift was going to be hard for Mirabel, B) she'd told her mother to go easy on her that evening, and C) she and her husband talked to Mirabel about feeling "unceptional". She's aware of Mirabel's insecurities and doesn't "expect" Mirabel to think of herself as perfect.
But yes, don't edit-war when you're in disagreement with another Troper. It wasn't right to delete several entries where there was only a problem with one part of it, but the correct response wasn't to just add them all back without discussion.
Edited by iamconstantine
https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13327578050A72722200&page=325#comment-8105
It definitly wasn't a problem with one part.
When I brought it to this thread, a troper pointed this out, Definitely looks like more someone "making themselves sad" via overanalysis of the scene (especially the second one.) Moments should be about moments in the work. While they can have explanation as to why the troper found it tearjerking, it shouldn't be based on speculation or, IMO, character analysis not explicit in the work.
Edited by LadyErinNY
I agree about the first bullet about Mirabel's talk with Julieta seeming fine and that the third bullet being incorrect. The second bullet also seems to be already covered by another entry on the page and doesn't seem related to the talk with Julieta.
The entries about Alma I think could use some tweaking. The one about Mirabel learning that love was conditional seems partially speculative, at least the part about Alma being "without a good word to say to the girl." Same with the "(as far as we're told) she never got from Alma at that time" part of the entry about Alma walking past the doors.
Sorry, Lady Erin NY, I couldn't see your second post when I replied!
I think we have consensus to at least remove the third Julieta bullet for inaccuracy. Between the discussion here and the one linked, it looks like a majority is in favor of removing the second one, too.
After reading the linked thread, I'm now in favor of removing the part about Mirabel learning to see love as conditional, because it seems to be based on analysis and speculation. It's hard to tell whether there's a consensus either way, though, because it wasn't one of the entries specifically brought up in that thread.
Well, I don't want to cause an edit war by deleting it a second time so could someone else do it.
I'm reluctant to start an edit war...but why are all the entries that note that the family didn't behave particularly well towards Mirabel being deleted? I see the discussion claims they were "too opinionated" (in an opinion page?), but most of the ones removed were about incidents explicitly in the film (e.g. Alma being sweet to baby, potentially-gifted Mirabel, only to "always" be too harsh on her according to Julieta, Mirabel pointing out her mother's hypocrisy in telling her that magic doesn't matter while using magic). It seems to be happening across all the pages — surely there's middle ground between "everyone but Bruno and Mirabel are demons" and "the Madrigal family did nothing wrong and Mirabel has no-one but her own low-self esteem to blame?"
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