My father totally doesn't get the message in Phil Collins's "Another Day In Paradise".

I don't really have a point, here, I just... needed to tell someone that.

Darth Wiki pages generally warn you in the description not to make justifying edits. Should there be something like that here, saying not to argue the merit of the Aesops?

Don't they all?

My point is that this entry seems superfluous and inherently bigoted. If not every heavy-handed 'moral' needs to be pushed, who decides which are worthy? Any random wiki editor? (Ever shifting) social consensus?

Nah... Either they are all equal in the market of ideas, or this entry is just an exercise in popular bias.

Strongly suggest merging examples here into the main Anvilicious article.

In addition: I see that the main "Some Anvils..." entry has been edited to clarify that the trope is supposed to reference works that were made better by their heavy-handedness. While I still find that very very subjective, it certainly rules out a lot of the examples cited here. Take your pick, there's a high probability that the example was cited only because the wiki editor agreed (perhaps very strongly) with the Aesop in question, not that the work was necessarily made better, or because there was an inherent "need" — barring inherent bias of the wiki editor.

• I personally thought there to be two such anvils in the ending. The first was connected to If You Kill Him You Will Be Just Like Him; basically you need to look at your WHY; if you're killing someone out of hate or revenge, then no matter how noble your reasons, you're just like the person you're trying to destroy. That's why I find the whole defeating the villain with the brighter side of humanity to be a Crowning Moment Of Awesome. Then there's my second anvil which is actually in the much-hated epilogue: There is always going to be evil and evil doers in the world...but a few good people fighting to stop it can make the world a better place.

Alright, Dommie222, be a man and tell the class your problem with this.

So Jordan, You want me to tell you why I continue to delete those anvils. Well no problems, these are the reasons why:

• For the first one, I just can't remember which episode that anvil is supposed to play in. I just remember the necessarity of lethal force in case of deadly sistuations against murderous nutjobs, not that you must have "the right feelings" in doing those hard decisions.

• For the second one, well lets be honest here, the ending sucked, no doubt there. It was obviously rushed, probably because the writers just wanted the series to end already so they killed off the main villain with some BS ways and then putted that anvil afterward because, well it's the norm of kidsseries, right. If the writers had putted some more effort into the last episode (an example like a "Villain near victory, kids pretty beaten up but dont give up, kids uses their close loyalties to each other to figuring out a strategy and then executing it well, the battle become long and brutal but due to their abilities to work, to think, to fight, to die together as one the kids wins, villain dies, happy ending, last message to the kids" kind of ending, you know like the one in Tamers) than it probably would had worked but with the "Villain near victory, kids talks dreams, villain dies, happy ending, last message for the kids" kind of ending it just fall short for the anvil to work.

I hope it were enough explanations for you.