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Quartia Since: Jan, 2021
Apr 7th 2021 at 11:46:47 AM •••

So I got an example of this from Reddit. Not sure how I should put it in but here:

"Black Panther is absolutely the worst offender in that regard. It’s insidious how the only MCU movie with a Black lead and almost entirely Black cast and with explicit themes about imperialism and colonization came down the most hard on saying “the status quo is good”. Marvel fucked up by making Killmonger so based that regular people actually agreed with him. Like people in the theater were actually cheering when he took back that artifact from the Bri'ish museum. They literally made him hate women just to push the narrative that he's supposed to be the bad guy."

Emphasis on that last sentence.

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NubianSatyress Since: Mar, 2016
Apr 7th 2021 at 12:42:35 PM •••

To repeat what was discussed on the page for Black Panther itself, SHAP is for cases when the villain's beliefs or arguments are positioned as "wrong" by the narrative but makes sense out-of-universe. The problem with Killmonger is that the narrative also feels that Killmonger was correct and that his argument made sense. The conflict in the end isn't that Killmonger is wrong, but that he himself is just as bad as the people he hates. And that goes well beyond just hating women, and more into "hating everybody who isn't me". He literally says at one point that he wants to replace the American/European imperialism and white supremacy with African imperialism and black supremacy. So basically the same exact thing he hates except it's his turn to do it.

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