what is this even supposed to be about? why would you write something so sudden like this about a show? Just to mock it? Or to mock the people working on it?
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How about the obvious answer? out of frustration because I couldn’t even -find- the show page here using the site search, only using google search? why should it not be visible to site search (and I tried a number of different ways to look)? Maybe this is better now, maybe not.
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I typed "Lord of the rings" in the upper-right search box and this series is the 4th result.
Any idea for a Laconic definition for the show? I have several ideas on my own, but I consider mine terrible. "The Rise to Power of the Dark Lord in the Second Age of Middle Earth." "After centuries of peace, Different factions o Middle-earth are affected by the looming Evil" etc. Even with the time compression, there is so much going on on the Second Age that is hard to come up with something satisfying alone. So if anyone has any better idea.
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The lack of clear themes or conflicts makes writing a definition difficult, I'd go with "The resurgence of evil threatens the diverse peoples of Middle-earth once again"
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- Doomed by Canon:
- If they aren't called Elrond, Galadriel, or Sauron, don't expect any named immortal character to be around by the time of the War of the Ring.
- Don't expect either that many of the kingdoms depicted are going to survive until the War of the Ring. Specially Khazad-dûm, as this show is set before they released Durin's Bane/the Balrog.
Do we even have a timeline of the series? Putting aside that it's not meant to be a faithful adaptation (Canon Foreigner it's in place) , we don't know if it will end with the war of Sauron and the Elves or the War of the Last Alliance or more into the third Age (war of the ring). In any case, Khazad Dum could survive the show in most cases
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Khazad Dum falls in the Third Age, but still a thousand years before the War of the Ring, so it's still accurate unless the show goes full renegade. Durin's Bane disguises himself as Durin, goes full tyrant, overthrows Sauron and rules Middle-Earth evil-ly ever after kinda renegade.
You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!
By the time of the War of the Ring, Khazad-dûm, Eregion, the Southlands, Numenor, and a few other kingdoms all fall for one reason or another.
TrollBrutal is right. As the show was universally advertized as covering the Second Age of Middle-earth, it is reasonable to assume it will end with the victory of the Last Alliance and the first fall of Sauron. As in Tolkien's timeline Khazad-dum is till prospering at that time, Khazad-dum is not Doomed by Canon in Rings of Power.
Let's just say and leave it at that.
Lord Gro, the problem with yours and Troll Brutal's comments is that the entry said "Don't expect either that many of the kingdoms depicted are going to survive until the War of the Ring". The War of the Ring started and ended in the final years of the Third Age. Meaning, the entry is right because, by the time of the War of the Ring, Khazad-dum has being canonically in ruins for a few centuries.
But if the show ends with the Second Era, as expected/advertised, what happens beyond that is out of the scope and the timeline, and hence not tropable.
Doomed by Canon should only cover character and settings whose demise is sure to happen by the end of the show, not after.
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@Arthas 456: TrollBrutal said it. Taking the War of the Ring as a reference point makes no sense.
Let's just say and leave it at that.
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Tolkien never said all Elves have long hair in the books, but this keeps being re-added to the page for the sake of complaining. We really need to curtail these tolkien misunderstandings promoted by the show's hatedom as soon as possible before it devolves into an edit war.
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He pretty much did, even if detailing it is beyond the scope of the page or even this page. It's not hatedom, it's just stating facts. If you remove all reference to the books in the Adaptational Hairstyle Change entry, the reference point thus becomes just the movie trilogy, which is itself an adaptation of what? The movies didn't invent long hair for elves.
Find me a statement of Tolkien's stating all elves universally have long hair, I'll drop the issue. It's insane to stick to "adaptational" change of something the source material never specified because you're attached to a specific interpretation. I am more or less ok with allowing the entry to stay under the interpretation that most (but not all, Bakshi LOTR for example also has short-haired elves) versions of the material roll with them having long hair, but saying "Tolkien said they're all long-haired" is a bald-faced lie.
"All you Fascists bound to lose."
It's a start. Honestly it's still giving too much leeway to this insane discussion, but knowing how toxic the fandom has become, it's the best its getting.
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This page seems very effectively hidden from searches using the site search (as opposed to external searches using Google). I can only assume this is intentional and offer congratulations.
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