There has to be something that fits here. I don't like that this keeps getting erased. Another possibility is a Snowball Lie, because Marinette eventually holds herself to a promise that she never intended to keep. Her "I'm ready now" when she does the reveal is a result of her earlier lie. Outright Lie as described on the "Truth and Lies" page doesn't look like it would redirect to the villainous I Lied, so that's another problem.
Another possibility, because the Second Chance magic involved causes Marinette to believe she can lie without consequences, is Expendable Alternate Universe or Reset Button.
I looked at it again, and I'm thinking that it could fall under The Power of Trust: invoked, exploited, and subverted. Something like this:
- The Power of Trust:
- Exploited by Ladybug in order to deal with Su-Han's threat. In the first timeline she uses Cat Noir's blind trust in her to have him reveal his identity to her and, without Cat's consent, to Luka who's listening in on their conversation. Afterwards, she originally planned to have Viperion reset the timeline, erasing her knowledge of Cat's identity and his knowledge of this conversation ever happening.
- When Luca says that he could simply ask Cat Noir who he is, Ladybug shoots it down on the basis that Cat Noir would only trust her with this knowledge.
Snowball Lie isn't it, because it doesn't bring any other person into the lie. (Just telling more lies to cover up the previous one is "Fawlty Towers" Plot, but her "I'm ready now" wasn't a lie so it doesn't fit there either.)
Expendable Alternate Universe, Reset Button, and/or The Power of Trust might be tropes present in the episode, but "Marinette lied and we can use these to say so" is absolutely the wrong approach to this.
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One approach I can see to this is that Ladybug is setting a deliberate trap for Cat Noir in order to learn his secret identity, with no intention of revealing her own and then making it so he doesn't even know that he did it. There's a level of betrayal when that whole original plan is laid out in simple terms. However, no trope immediately comes to my mind, and I'm not so invested to try and search myself. Maybe you can find something that way, though.
One thing I noticed is that for this to be the 100th episode "Santa Claws" must count as an episode, not a special. In fact the wiki does count it as part of season two, last in the production order. So shouldn't it be moved?
So people want these examples on the page, but can't find an appropriate trope for them — they've tried Blatant Lies (but they're not blatant) and Outright Lie (that just redirects to I Lied which is... so wrong that part of the problem here is that that's just a bad redirect and we're gonna discuss that elsewhere). Judging by the example text, it seems the trope we're looking for is literally just "a character lies", which is not much of a trope.
Is there some actual tropey thing going on here, maybe something we can find in the Truth and Lies index, or are we just salty that Marinette did a lying?
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