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NubianSatyress Curly Goddess Since: Mar, 2016

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Mar 19th 2020 at 2:14:36 PM •••

Water Blap cut the following:

Do NOT mess with Thor's wife, Sif:
- One myth describes how Thor once killed Hrungnir, the strongest Frost Giant, in a duel after becoming enraged by a drunken Hrungnir boasting that he would like to kill all of the Norse gods except Freyja and Thor's wife Sif, whom he would take as concubines.
- Sif was known for having beautiful, golden hair—considered the loveliest hair of all the gods. As a prank, Loki cut off all of Sif's hair, leaving her distraught. This enraged Thor, who only spared Loki after he promised to have new hair forged by dwarves. These events lead to the origins of several other mythical artifacts, including Odin's spear Gungnir and Thor's famous hammer, Mjolnir.
- Thor once meets a disguised Odin, and the two engage in a bout of hurling insults back and forth. Eventually, Odin says to Thor that Sif is cuckolding him. Thor responds by saying that his opponent is only saying what he thinks will hurt Thor the most, and he's also lying.

For the reason:

The two cut examples are not "woman causes pathos" but rather "husband protects and trusts wife." This trope is not merely about stuff happening to or around women, but women or femininity causing pathos merely by existing in some way. Sif becoming upset at the prank indirectly causes the creation of these other artifacts, which is this trope.

Firstly, I added the example. I know what the trope is about. As it states in the description, part of this trope is about a man being protective of a woman. Thor's reaction to his wife being endangered or put into a distressed situation (like ruining her hair) is definitely what this trope is about.

Also, as stated within the example, Thor himself said that the insult about his wife's alleged infidelity was designed to "hurt him most". So again, yes, it is definitely this trope. It happened not to be true, but the insulter (Odin in disguise) still intended it to hurt him.

Also, you saying that this trope is "women causing pathos merely by existing" is dangerously narrowing the trope. That is NOT the extent of the trope; it's the CAUSE of the trope.

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NubianSatyress Since: Mar, 2016

May 23rd 2020 at 8:54:44 AM •••

poi99 removed the page quote with the following edit reason: "Casablanca was NOT an example of this."

For context, here is the quote in question:

"Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, she walks into mine."

— Rick, Casablanca

To start with, I present the fact that Casablance IS an example of it based on the reasons given in the actual example itself. Not only is Rick's anguish over a woman the axis upon which the story turns, but there is also a scene where one of his few acts of selflessness comes from helping a young newlywed girl avoid being sexually extorted.

Sympathy or anguish about women IS central to Casablanca's entire story.

NubianSatyress Since: Mar, 2016

Jul 8th 2020 at 8:18:08 PM •••

If no one answers otherwise or suggests a better one, I'm going to readd the quote.


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